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2008-03-08 03:48:40 AM  
Strangely reminiscent of the night I lost my virginity...
 
2008-03-08 04:03:29 AM  
Shaggy_C: Strangely reminiscent of the night I lost my virginity...

win!
 
2008-03-08 04:15:17 AM  
Can somebody in the know tell us who screwed up there?
I watched that several times and don't know enough/couldn't see enough to tell.
 
2008-03-08 04:16:51 AM  
img84.imageshack.us

They KNEW what they were getting into!
 
2008-03-08 04:21:42 AM  
Now, I know this is not easy, and I've never done it myself. Hell most of my time is in the F-172...but:

That looked like a classic case of what my potential Naval Aviator students call "monkeyfisting"

/smooth on those controls son
//seriously don't make me spill my goddamn coffee
 
2008-03-08 04:28:02 AM  
Krumet: Can somebody in the know tell us who screwed up there?

I dunno. The way the plane suddenly bumped makes me think it was just bad luck: they hit a patch of turbulence.

But, I am not an aviator.
 
2008-03-08 04:31:41 AM  
I'm not a pilot, but I dated a girl in the Air Force, so in today's political climate...

Ahem. From what I understand, the drogue refueling that the Navy uses a non-steerable hose (like in the video), so I assume it would be the receiver's responsibilty.

The Air Force's KC-135 and KC-10 refuelers have a steerable, solid "boom," with a dedicated enlisted boom operator who sits at the rear of the aircraft, and faces backwards, and has a joystick that steers the boom, due to the fact that a lot of refueling goes towards lumbering, large aircraft like B-52H bombers and C-5B Galaxy transport aircraft. It's more of a joint effort, but I believe the boom operator is more at fault in a mutual fark-up.

The boomer in a KC-135 actually lies on his or her stomach due to the cramped conditions, which leads to the corny boomer joke of: "My job consists of lying around all day and passing gas while a bunch of officers drive me to work."
 
2008-03-08 04:33:36 AM  
Krumet: Can somebody in the know tell us who screwed up there?
I watched that several times and don't know enough/couldn't see enough to tell.


He's new and doing it wrong on the first go. On the second go, attaching to the hose changes the dynamics differently than he was expecting so he overreacted and screwed up even worse.

/it happens
 
2008-03-08 04:45:52 AM  
Sgt Otter: I'm not a pilot, but I dated a girl in the Air Force, so in today's political climate...

Ahem. From what I understand, the drogue refueling that the Navy uses a non-steerable hose (like in the video), so I assume it would be the receiver's responsibilty.

The Air Force's KC-135 and KC-10 refuelers have a steerable, solid "boom," with a dedicated enlisted boom operator who sits at the rear of the aircraft, and faces backwards, and has a joystick that steers the boom, due to the fact that a lot of refueling goes towards lumbering, large aircraft like B-52H bombers and C-5B Galaxy transport aircraft. It's more of a joint effort, but I believe the boom operator is more at fault in a mutual fark-up.

The boomer in a KC-135 actually lies on his or her stomach due to the cramped conditions, which leads to the corny boomer joke of: "My job consists of lying around all day and passing gas while a bunch of officers drive me to work."


But are you getting a kick out of these replies?
 
2008-03-08 05:16:13 AM  
InternetLOL: But are you getting a kick out of these replies?

No but I got a kick out of some of the comments below the video...
 
Poe
2008-03-08 05:19:46 AM  
How about a helicopter that messes up even worse? (new window)
 
2008-03-08 05:27:58 AM  
Next time, they should try a little tenderness.
 
2008-03-08 06:14:49 AM  
Shaggy_C: Strangely reminiscent of the night I lost my virginity...

The tip broke off? Ouch!
 
2008-03-08 08:33:54 AM  
That was probably enough fuel to last your car a year.

1. Your car doesn't run on jet fuel.

2. You probably waste more gas driving down to 7-11 twice a day for a year than was "wasted" here.

3. I drink your humor. I drink it up.
 
2008-03-08 08:34:14 AM  
AU_Aviator: That looked like a classic case of "monkeyfisting"


Shaggy_C: Strangely reminiscent of the night I lost my virginity...

this.
 
2008-03-08 08:54:42 AM  
Came here to say what Poe said.
 
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2008-03-08 09:21:23 AM  
wow... Kubrick waited for a long time to start the credits sequence on this one...
 
2008-03-08 09:41:19 AM  
I am sooooo disappointed that nobody has mentioned MST3K's treatment of "Starfighters" yet.

"Oh, don't worry. It happens to everybody. We can just cuddle."
 
2008-03-08 09:52:33 AM  
GoodyearPimp: That was probably enough fuel to last your car a year.

1. Your car doesn't run on jet fuel.

2. You probably waste more gas driving down to 7-11 twice a day for a year than was "wasted" here.

3. I drink your humor. I drink it up.


1. Diesel cars can run on Jet A1
2. STFU
3. Profit!
 
2008-03-08 10:20:54 AM  
That really creeped me out and made my skin crawl--anyone else react like that, or is it just me?
 
2008-03-08 10:29:34 AM  
Shaggy_C:

Strangely reminiscent of the night I lost my virginity...

All that waving about wildly must have been entertaining...
 
2008-03-08 10:35:51 AM  
I bet the pilot's ass took a real big bite out of the seat.
 
2008-03-08 10:40:24 AM  
I don't think the fighter has his trim set correctly. If you watch the other planes going the same speed in the BG, they don't wander much.

The re-fueling plane was having problems with his stall or trim.

(The fueler could have sped up a few knots and given him an easier time.)

I wonder what happened to the basket afterwards. It's gotta be embarrassing landing with that thing stuck to the fuel boom.
 
2008-03-08 10:41:16 AM  
Poe: How about a helicopter that messes up even worse? (new window)

That was not what I expected to happen.
 
2008-03-08 12:06:13 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2008-03-08 12:25:56 PM  
Wow, that guy refuels like old people fark.
 
2008-03-08 12:55:27 PM  
jafiwam: I don't think the fighter has his trim set correctly. If you watch the other planes going the same speed in the BG, they don't wander much.

The re-fueling plane was having problems with his stall or trim.

(The fueler could have sped up a few knots and given him an easier time.)

I wonder what happened to the basket afterwards. It's gotta be embarrassing landing with that thing stuck to the fuel boom.


I am thinking the turbulence coming off of the refueler had something to do with him shakin all about
 
2008-03-08 01:25:29 PM  
Just wanted to say this would never happen if we were using the KC-767 tanker, and it is almost certain to happen every time using a KC-45 tanker.
 
2008-03-08 02:36:34 PM  
Ok YOU try to hit a 2 foot target in an aircraft moving 500 MPH with a little deedly-bob thingamajig like 2 inches wide on the nose of your airplane, oh yeah and the windi s knocking both you and the target all over the farking place.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it takes a LONG TIME to get this right and despite your best efforts sometimes you still fark it up.

But go ahead and continue snarking, ya bunch of smarmy know-it-alls. Because you guys obviously could've done it way better.
 
2008-03-08 03:00:59 PM  
trbo30: Wow, that guy refuels like old people fark.

...slow and sloppy...

What routine was that from?
 
2008-03-08 03:25:16 PM  
jwrebholz: Ok YOU try to hit a 2 foot target in an aircraft moving 500 MPH with a little deedly-bob thingamajig like 2 inches wide on the nose of your airplane, oh yeah and the windi s knocking both you and the target all over the farking place.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it takes a LONG TIME to get this right and despite your best efforts sometimes you still fark it up.

But go ahead and continue snarking, ya bunch of smarmy know-it-alls. Because you guys obviously could've done it way better.


That target ain't moving 500 MPH hotshot. Hell, I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two feet.
 
2008-03-08 04:37:35 PM  
RoyBatty:

That target ain't moving 500 MPH hotshot. Hell, I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than two feet.


I lol'd
 
2008-03-08 06:57:20 PM  
Wow, the comments thread on that video's page was very pertinent and interesting.

It's like there's some special law of attraction that is only found in morans.
 
2008-03-08 07:14:38 PM  
TommyymmoT: Shaggy_C: Strangely reminiscent of the night I lost my virginity...

The tip broke off? Ouch!


You see folks, this is why we need comprehensive sex ed in our schools. Because a broken penis flailing wildy spewing fluids isn't funny.
 
2008-03-08 07:20:25 PM  
I bet that pilot now knows how women on the receiving end of Peter North feel.
 
2008-03-08 08:58:36 PM  
I've played Top Gun for the Nintendo Entertainment System and judging from that, doing this is very very hard without the powerglove.

/I'm pretty sure that was a true simulation
//feels like an expert, just like all youtube commenters
 
2008-03-08 09:48:11 PM  
Krumet: Can somebody in the know tell us who screwed up there?
I watched that several times and don't know enough/couldn't see enough to tell.


Okay, here's who screwed up. I was an Air Force KC-135 pilot for 5 years, doing both boom-type refuelings and also "probe & drogue" refuelings like this from removable wing-mounted drogue pods.

First of all, these aren't US Navy planes. I just want to throw that out there, but it doesn't really matter.

Secondly, the "basket thievery" was 100% the receiver's fault. The tanker aircraft's job is to be as stable as possible. Straight, level, & not varying its airspeed. He's doing that in the video just fine. The receiver screwed up by not stopping his closure (forward motion relative to the basket) once he achieved "contact" (mating between the probe & drogue basket).

If a receiver aircraft continues more than a couple of feet forward once contact is achieved, it results in slack in the hose and the slack hose starts whipping around in the slipstream...usually causing separation of either the basket from the hose, or separation of the receiver's probe from his aircraft. Either way, it's not optimal, to say the least.

At the moment the receiver pilot realized he was farked, he then over-corrected and destabilized, resulting in a bit of a climb that put him into the turbulent air coming off of the wings. That was all secondary to the initial refueling mistake that broke the basket/hose connection.

Though exciting, everyone was safe in this and the tanker retracted the hose successfully to stop it from whipping around dangerously. Had the retract not worked, they would have jettisoned the hose from the wing pod it originates at.

The sucky part is for the receiver, since he's now unable to refuel and must divert somewhere...taking at least one of his flight-mates with him. That's just how they do it. Always a minimum of two.

Plus, the remaining flight-mates now all have to refuel off of the one remaining hose. Any way you cut it, that dude's getting a nickname!

In his defense though, inflight refueling is farking challenging. If I was smart enough to link a photo here, I'd post a pic of my windscreen FILLED with the belly & engines of a tanker I was taking gas from one day. Cool pic.
 
2008-03-08 09:52:45 PM  
Also, the USAF Boom Operator's unofficial motto is:
"Our pole in your hole is our goal!"
 
2008-03-08 10:01:22 PM  
NKAWTG!

Thanks for the passed gass tanker dudes.
 
2008-03-08 10:03:00 PM  
i51.photobucket.com
THIS
 
2008-03-08 11:01:49 PM  
P-quin, i guess you really are getting a kick out of most of these replies.
 
2008-03-08 11:58:33 PM  
Master Chief: P-quin, i guess you really are getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Yeah, it's nice to get back into thinking about inflight refueling...lots of memories and great friendships there. I like that people are curious about how we accomplish these sorts of things.
 
2008-03-09 01:53:52 AM  
P-Quin

Nice pic!


Tainted1: You see folks, this is why we need comprehensive sex ed in our schools. Because a broken penis flailing wildy spewing fluids isn't funny.

The hell it isn't!

/When it ain't yours
 
2008-03-09 03:54:37 AM  
images.dailytech.com

view from cockpit
 
2008-03-10 09:47:29 AM  
Well when I refuel my car I pull the hose out at the end spray a little on the back bumper then smack the hood with it to let it know I am done...
 
2008-03-11 12:24:49 PM  
howdyyall9999: Well when I refuel my car I pull the hose out at the end spray a little on the back bumper then smack the hood with it to let it know I am done...

teehee....I laughed
 
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