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2008-03-07 03:29:05 PM
gtraz: Yes and if this guy had actually listened to them and utilized an ounce of brainpower he would have realized that sex education actually prevents abortions from happening.

I'd say that is asking a bit much of him
 
2008-03-07 03:29:34 PM
randomjsa: Planned Parenthood has one purpose, abortion, period. Absolutely everything they do is related to it. Agree or disagree with them as you will but they put up smoke screens like every organization out there... There's always an underlying cause that dictates everything for groups like that. I am full of shiat.

Good to know.
 
2008-03-07 03:29:43 PM
phuquetarde:
Funny how those same people are perfectly and totally comfortable with indiscriminately killing brown people in distant lands. But if your a lump of cells - that's precious.


State legislators have no jurisdiction regarding warfare or foreign relations. So... you fail at even comprehending what the thread is discussing, much less providing a coherent answer.

Though, to respond to your off-topic post, this makes a party which opposes the death penalty but supports abortion guilty of the same "logical fallacy". So you've just inadvertently roundly condemned the ACLU. I would say 'the democrats', but their near-unanimous vote to approve the most recent invasion of Iraq indicates that they're fairly consistent in letting everyone kill everything.

//Sorry for baiting the troll, guys, I just felt like turnabout was fair play.
 
2008-03-07 03:29:59 PM
randomjsa: Planned Parenthood has one purpose, abortion, period. Absolutely everything they do is related to it. Agree or disagree with them as you will but they put up smoke screens like every organization out there... There's always an underlying cause that dictates everything for groups like that.

You almost got me!
 
2008-03-07 03:30:30 PM
randomjsa:
Planned Parenthood has one purpose, abortion, period. Absolutely everything they do is related to it. Agree or disagree with them as you will but they put up smoke screens like every organization out there... There's always an underlying cause that dictates everything for groups like that.


No.
 
2008-03-07 03:30:47 PM
Dance: So if you go to your state legislator about something completely unrelated to abortion, and he ignores your questions and repeatedly asks you about abortion in an offensive manner, not being able to effectively respond is being, "naive"?

Nice hypothetical, but one teens response on her right to do what she pleases with her pountang kinda gives the game away, doesn't it? Wonder where she got that from. These "girls" just wanted to talk about the spread of disease from that thing the grown ups have called "sex", right?

I can see where a teen might be highly offended at a person suggesting said teen consider the rights of others. That'd give any kid a case o blank look on their face. These girls may have never heard such absurd arguments before, having only been taught about their right to choose what to do with their own bodies (unless it involves having fun with drugs, which is, of course, very very wrong).

/me pro-abortion and anti-choice on the grounds the term is so narrow it means only one thing and completely ignores other arguments that can reasonably be made.
 
2008-03-07 03:30:52 PM
Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies? He was elected based on his opinions on things like these. Sure he was a jerk but the should have expected coming into his office.


WOW... It is not a representatives job to force his agenda upon his constituents. His job is to listen to the people and then decide if action is necessary, not to argue with children over moral issues of his choice. His personal opinions should be of no use, only his judgment for what is good for the people he represents.
 
2008-03-07 03:31:15 PM
Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies?


No.

They weren't there to talk about abortion though. In fact, they were there to talk about things that could reduce the need or desire to have an abortion.
 
2008-03-07 03:31:30 PM
Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"


Well, if you're asking me personally, only 3...but Geoff, there next to me, he must have bagged like 10.
 
2008-03-07 03:32:09 PM
ArgusRun

I myself have never seen nor heard a more civil debate about abortion than the one described.
 
2008-03-07 03:33:36 PM
Big_Fat_Liar: Dance: So if you go to your state legislator about something completely unrelated to abortion, and he ignores your questions and repeatedly asks you about abortion in an offensive manner, not being able to effectively respond is being, "naive"?

Nice hypothetical, but one teens response on her right to do what she pleases with her pountang kinda gives the game away, doesn't it? Wonder where she got that from. These "girls" just wanted to talk about the spread of disease from that thing the grown ups have called "sex", right?

I can see where a teen might be highly offended at a person suggesting said teen consider the rights of others. That'd give any kid a case o blank look on their face. These girls may have never heard such absurd arguments before, having only been taught about their right to choose what to do with their own bodies (unless it involves having fun with drugs, which is, of course, very very wrong).

/me pro-abortion and anti-choice on the grounds the term is so narrow it means only one thing and completely ignores other arguments that can reasonably be made.


He brought up the question, and she stated her opinion. Doesn't mean thats the only reason why there were there.

The Rep didn't even listen to the rest of the arguments, he just acted like a moran and kept asking a question to which there is no answer he would have accepted.
 
2008-03-07 03:34:43 PM
HotWingConspiracy

busy chillin': Douchebag you say?
I find it unfair that we have to share a planet with someone who wears four popped collars.


Agreed.

"Calm down son, and put the collars down. We don't want anybody to get hurt. Easy. Easy."
 
2008-03-07 03:34:57 PM
HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies?

No.

They weren't there to talk about abortion though. In fact, they were there to talk about things that could reduce the need or desire to have an abortion.


Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.
 
2008-03-07 03:35:13 PM
Big_Fat_Liar:

Nice hypothetical, but one teens response on her right to do what she pleases with her pountang kinda gives the game away, doesn't it? Wonder where she got that from. These "girls" just wanted to talk about the spread of disease from that thing the grown ups have called "sex", right?

I can see where a teen might be highly offended at a person suggesting said teen consider the rights of others. That'd give any kid a case o blank look on their face. These girls may have never heard such absurd arguments before, having only been taught about their right to choose what to do with their own bodies (unless it involves having fun with drugs, which is, of course, very very wrong).

/me pro-abortion and anti-choice on the grounds the term is so narrow it means only one thing and completely ignores other arguments that can reasonably be made.


It's not hypothetical - it's exactly what happened. The fact that one girl actually did have an opinion on abortion doesn't change that.

And no, I'm not going to expect the average teenager to be able to effectively argue with a legislator after being ambushed on something they aren't ready for.
 
2008-03-07 03:35:29 PM
busy chillin'
Douchebag you say?

Damb!
5 shirts.
 
2008-03-07 03:36:01 PM
Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies?

No.

They weren't there to talk about abortion though. In fact, they were there to talk about things that could reduce the need or desire to have an abortion.

Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.


Perhaps you're unclear on the whole "public servant" thing.
 
2008-03-07 03:37:44 PM
Svengali4Life:
Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.


You mean that they made the mistake of treating him like an adult, right?

Because I know if *I* schedule a meeting with a state representative to talk about a specific agenda, I expect to be ambushed and attacked on something unrelated.
 
2008-03-07 03:38:29 PM
Jim_Callahan: State legislators have no jurisdiction regarding warfare or foreign relations.

Congrats on taking his post out of context, then calling him a troll.

What does that make you? Oh, yes, a troll?
 
2008-03-07 03:39:06 PM
randomjsa: Planned Parenthood has one purpose, abortion, period.

Besides providing birth control, promoting healthy relationships, STD prevention, providing health care, and many other things, you're exactly right.

But I can see how you would focus on abortion, you being an idiot & everything.
 
2008-03-07 03:39:25 PM
Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies?

No.

They weren't there to talk about abortion though. In fact, they were there to talk about things that could reduce the need or desire to have an abortion.

Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.


Treating them like Adults? In what fantasy world did that happen? He used the "I know you are but what am I" like of dialog, and refused to even listen to them. He made up his mind the second he heard the name "planned parenthood".

It's like a muslum walking in to discuse local community multi-faith outreach programs and being told "how many muslums are terrorists?" over and over again.
 
2008-03-07 03:39:36 PM
Dance: Svengali4Life:
Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.

You mean that they made the mistake of treating him like an adult, right?

Because I know if *I* schedule a meeting with a state representative to talk about a specific agenda, I expect to be ambushed and attacked on something unrelated.


Well, it is a state rep. I mean, I would put this past a US Senator, let alone a state rep.
 
2008-03-07 03:39:51 PM
HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies?

No.

They weren't there to talk about abortion though. In fact, they were there to talk about things that could reduce the need or desire to have an abortion.

Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.

Perhaps you're unclear on the whole "public servant" thing.


They were representing the organization planned parenthood, not the public. Should our elected officials be prevented from asking difficult questions to organizations they disagree with?
 
2008-03-07 03:40:40 PM
Svengali4Life: Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adultschoice to act like a spoiled little child.

all fixed for ya sparky.
 
2008-03-07 03:43:10 PM
And if you need to have it explained to you, he referenced specifically, a) a direct reference to "Republicans" (who do support killing people far away... but he didn't go far enough, because they also enjoy killing white people from our nation as well... note, your retort regarding Democrats and their support of war is valid enough) and b) there wasn't an ongoing discussion about state legislature politics... it was essentially regarding how crazy this individual was.
 
2008-03-07 03:44:49 PM
Acting like douchebags?

THEY AREN'T ACTING.
 
2008-03-07 03:44:50 PM
Dance: Svengali4Life:
Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.

You mean that they made the mistake of treating him like an adult, right?

Because I know if *I* schedule a meeting with a state representative to talk about a specific agenda, I expect to be ambushed and attacked on something unrelated.


Yes. And don't send kids into the meeting in your stead.
 
2008-03-07 03:45:47 PM
Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies?

No.

They weren't there to talk about abortion though. In fact, they were there to talk about things that could reduce the need or desire to have an abortion.

Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.

Perhaps you're unclear on the whole "public servant" thing.

They were representing the organization planned parenthood, not the public. Should our elected officials be prevented from asking difficult questions to organizations they disagree with?


They wreen't there to discuss abortion, but rather, other aspects of parental planning and sexual education. They never got that chance.

There was no reason not to discuss what they were there to discuss. By going off on a pro-life rant, or rather, ambush to which the kids could never have presented a good response to, because the whole point of the rant was to abuse them.
 
2008-03-07 03:46:01 PM
Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies?

No.

They weren't there to talk about abortion though. In fact, they were there to talk about things that could reduce the need or desire to have an abortion.

Well, he didn't see it that way and it's HIS office. He is the one who was elected. He made the mistake of treating them like adults.

Perhaps you're unclear on the whole "public servant" thing.

They were representing the organization planned parenthood, not the public. Should our elected officials be prevented from asking difficult questions to organizations they disagree with?


First of all, it's not HIS office. He is a fart in the wind.

Second, no, they shouldn't be prevented from asking stupid questions. Context would be appropriate though, so nobody is wasting their time listening to a pontificating asshole with an axe to grind.

"Hi, I represent the printing industry in this state -"

"HOW MANY TREES DO YOU KILL?!"

"Umm...We were exploring ways to - "

"HOW MANY TREES DO YOU KILL?!"

It's not a professional way to conduct oneself.
 
2008-03-07 03:46:11 PM
Svengali4Life: Should our elected officials be prevented from asking difficult questions to organizations they disagree with?

It was a simple, stupid, childish outburst, not a legitimate question. If he had actually engaged the students in a discussion (imagine!) of what they wanted to accomplish (sex education resulting in LESS ABORTION), he would not have (hopefully) jumped to the "baby-killin'" agitprop. As it was, he just became another right-wing godboy jagoff.
 
2008-03-07 03:46:54 PM
randomjsa: Dr_luckyz: Correct me if i'm wrong, but they were not even there to debate abortion being right or wrong..

They were promoting family planning and more funding for sex education

Planned Parenthood has one purpose, abortion, period. Absolutely everything they do is related to it. Agree or disagree with them as you will but they put up smoke screens like every organization out there... There's always an underlying cause that dictates everything for groups like that.


That was like saying 'Doctors are all about using tongue depressors. Absolutely anything they do is related to it. Agree or disagree with them as you will, but [the AMA] will put up smoke-screens like every other organization out there...'

Seriously, the raw stupid required me to reboot my brain before I could realize you were probably joking. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to attribute the entire medical profession to a conspiracy of the powerful tongue-depressor lobby with a straight face, though. That was awesome.
 
2008-03-07 03:49:03 PM
Svengali4Life:
They were representing the organization planned parenthood, not the public. Should our elected officials be prevented from asking difficult questions to organizations they disagree with?


Yes, I can see how verbally abusing teenagers to no purpose is analogous to asking useful, tough questions to a large organization. These kids were probably the masterminds behind PP, and revealing their secret agenda is for the best and will help bring down this satanist organization.

In case that's unclear, let me paraphrase - wtf are you smoking?

Svengali4Life:

Yes. And don't send kids into the meeting in your stead.


God forbid kids try to become active in the political process.
 
2008-03-07 03:49:06 PM
stvdallas: Our legislature here in Washington are idiots.

Seriously, I stay for the mountains, rivers and country life...but our legislature is a mess. Most of them are Democrats...but the Republicans aren't so good either. Nothing gets accomplished in this state...No one can make up their minds and actually DO something.



Not to mention that Dino Rossi had the election stolen from him.
 
2008-03-07 03:49:20 PM
Dance: It's not hypothetical

Gotcha. I think our disagreement on the group's agenda centers around the point of view. You are coming from the viewpoint of the girls, some of whom may actually think they are there to discuss the specific issues they think they just raised (in fact, they DID raise verbally). I'm looking at it from the point of view the adults that sent these newly indoctrinated members to the mean man's office. What I'm saying is these girls were there to promote the pro-choice agenda on that day and their mentors hope on every day for the rest of their lives. The condoms and birthcontrol thing is a smoke screen. Ala "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". The victim card only helps cement the indoctrination. The movement needs new members. Proabortion familes just aren't having enough kids:) One day, many of those girls will regret the future actions that may result from their new education in choice. Other might have no regrets. (my brother tells me I'm not allowed to talk about abortion at his house. Might make his wife cry. Really. Shut up! I laughed at first too, but its for real, and I don't think it's particularly unique)
 
2008-03-07 03:50:29 PM
Whatever... If you don't think sending kids into a republican's office to represent planned parenthood is a dumb idea then you are in the same boat as this precious little snowflake's parents. Abortion is a volatile subject and planned parenthood is in the abortion business.
 
2008-03-07 03:51:34 PM
busy chillin': Douchebag you say?

i2.photobucket.com

/hehe
 
2008-03-07 03:53:11 PM
Dance: Svengali4Life:
They were representing the organization planned parenthood, not the public. Should our elected officials be prevented from asking difficult questions to organizations they disagree with?

Yes, I can see how verbally abusing teenagers to no purpose is analogous to asking useful, tough questions to a large organization. These kids were probably the masterminds behind PP, and revealing their secret agenda is for the best and will help bring down this satanist organization.

In case that's unclear, let me paraphrase - wtf are you smoking?

Svengali4Life:

Yes. And don't send kids into the meeting in your stead.

God forbid kids try to become active in the political process.


He taught these kids a valuable lesson, politics ain't for kids. Asking hard questions is not "Verbal Abuse".
 
2008-03-07 03:56:13 PM
Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life:
They were representing the organization planned parenthood, not the public. Should our elected officials be prevented from asking difficult questions to organizations they disagree with?

Yes, I can see how verbally abusing teenagers to no purpose is analogous to asking useful, tough questions to a large organization. These kids were probably the masterminds behind PP, and revealing their secret agenda is for the best and will help bring down this satanist organization.

In case that's unclear, let me paraphrase - wtf are you smoking?

Svengali4Life:

Yes. And don't send kids into the meeting in your stead.

God forbid kids try to become active in the political process.

He taught these kids a valuable lesson, politics ain't for kids. Asking hard questions is not "Verbal Abuse". republicans are incapable of rational discourse. They are petty, sniveling little people who wield their undeserved power like a cudgel.
 
2008-03-07 03:56:46 PM
DrKillPatient: bighairyguy: Wow, some people sure are touchy about abortion. Who knew?

Anyway, he proved that these young well-meaning activists, were really quite naive and just parroting what someone else had spoon-fed them. +1 for the lesson in critcal thinking.

Please point out the "critical thinking" that would be generated by his "argument". I am at a total loss.

/He was nothing but rude, and it is beyond me, as an elected representative; what he was trying to prove.
//Except give plenty of fodder to his opponents in the next election.


The fact that he quickly stumped her with a basic abortion argument point shows that she/the group had not really applied any critical thinking to support their argument. For or against doesn't matter at point. If you come to argue for something and immediately prove you are idiot, someone should call you on it. That happens here all the time. I'm glad he didn't give them lip service and a weasely politician "thank you for stopping by".

The parents are also idiots for thinking that was an ethics violation. It's a variation on the old "I'm offended so now you need to lose your job" behavior. He was rude. Big deal.
 
2008-03-07 03:56:52 PM
Big_Fat_Liar:
Gotcha. I think our disagreement on the group's agenda centers around the point of view. You are coming from the viewpoint of the girls, some of whom may actually think they are there to discuss the specific issues they think they just raised (in fact, they DID raise verbally). I'm looking at it from the point of view the adults that sent these newly indoctrinated members to the mean man's office. What I'm saying is these girls were there to promote the pro-choice agenda on that day and their mentors hope on every day for the rest of their lives. The condoms and birthcontrol thing is a smoke screen. Ala "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain". The victim card only helps cement the indoctrination. The movement needs new members. Proabortion familes just aren't having enough kids:) One day, many of those girls will regret the future actions that may result from their new education in choice. Other might have no regrets. (my brother tells me I'm not allowed to talk about abortion at his house. Might make his wife cry. Really. Shut up! I laughed at first too, but its for real, and I don't think it's particularly unique)


It's just too bad Ahren was "indoctrinated" as a pro-lifer at even younger age then these teenagers. When will we, as a society, stop indoctrinating our young at all so that they can simply make informed decisions on their own, without adults telling them what to do? Then both Ahren and these poor misguided teenagers could make their own decisions without any outside influences.
 
2008-03-07 03:57:27 PM
Funny, everyone who's stayed in this thread to try to defend the conduct of the dickhead legislator ends up laying out some anti-Planned Parenthood spiel.

Shocking.
 
2008-03-07 03:58:51 PM
Gonad the Ballbarian: busy chillin': Douchebag you say?



/hehe


Look closely. He's also wearing a t-shirt underneath that mess.
 
2008-03-07 04:01:06 PM
Svengali4Life:
He taught these kids a valuable lesson, politics ain't for kids. Asking hard questions is not "Verbal Abuse".


Bullshiat. Kids need to be introduced to politics, otherwise we just end up with drones who vote for the prettiest candidate. It's just unfortunate they had to be introduced to this idiot, rather then someone rational.

On your second point - I agree. Unfortunately he didn't actually ask hard questions, and instead just verbally abused them.
 
2008-03-07 04:01:48 PM
Baby Diego: Funny, everyone who's stayed in this thread to try to defend the conduct of the dickhead legislator ends up laying out some anti-Planned Parenthood spiel.

Shocking.


I'm not anti-planned parenthood. I just see it for what it is. They sent unprepared kids into a politician's office and the kids got treated roughly, I'm sure planned parenthood wasn't surprised to hear how these kids were treated.
 
2008-03-07 04:02:29 PM
HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: HotWingConspiracy: Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life:

"Hi, I represent the printing industry in this state -"

"HOW MANY TREES DO YOU KILL?!"

"Umm...We were exploring ways to - "

"HOW MANY TREES DO YOU KILL?!"

It's not a professional way to conduct oneself.


WIN
 
2008-03-07 04:02:42 PM
The_Sponge:

Not to mention that Dino Rossi had the election stolen from him.

Oh no you din't!
 
2008-03-07 04:03:08 PM
Svengali4Life: Dance: Svengali4Life: He rudely disagreed with them on the topic of abortion. Cry me a river.

"Mr. Ahern, we'd like to talk to you about sex ed and planned parent-"
"How many babies do you kill?"
"We're not really here to talk abou-"
"HOW MANY BABIES DO YOU KILL?"

"I think this meeting is over, let's go guys."

I'm still not seeing the problem here. Is he supposed to abandon he belief that abortion kills babies? He was elected based on his opinions on things like these. Sure he was a jerk but the should have expected coming into his office.


Are you a moron? They didn't come in to his office to discuss abortions, they came in to discuss sex education and how to "prepare" to be parents. And the Rep decided to repeatedly call them baby killers instead of listening to what they had to say,

Damn, WTF is wrong with people's reading comprehension skills?

And no, coming into someone's office to discuss topic (A) does not mean he should be a jerk and beret them about topic (B) which wasn't on the agenda, someone like that needs to be shot in the face with rhino feces.
 
2008-03-07 04:03:15 PM
Svengali4Life: Asking hard questionsAssulting a child with the same question over and over, not really expecting an answer is not "Verbal Abuse".

not fixed exactly but closer to what actually happened.
 
2008-03-07 04:03:36 PM
bighairyguy:
The fact that he quickly stumped her with a basic abortion argument point shows that she/the group had not really applied any critical thinking to support their argument. For or against doesn't matter at point. If you come to argue for something and immediately prove you are idiot, someone should call you on it. That happens here all the time. I'm glad he didn't give them lip service and a weasely politician "thank you for stopping by".

The parents are also idiots for thinking that was an ethics violation. It's a variation on the old "I'm offended so now you need to lose your job" behavior. He was rude. Big deal.


And if they were there to argue about abortion, your post might actually apply to this situation.
 
2008-03-07 04:05:18 PM
The thing I really don't like about the legislator in this case is how he seems to be plucking himself up and blowing up his ego by posing offensive questions to obvious idiots. I don't think he'd last thirty seconds talking with someone who was older or educated in a private forum.

Legisladouchebag: I win coz they don't know how many babies they killed lolz

Rest of world: *facepalm*
 
2008-03-07 04:05:57 PM
Dance: Svengali4Life:
He taught these kids a valuable lesson, politics ain't for kids. Asking hard questions is not "Verbal Abuse".

Bullshiat. Kids need to be introduced to politics, otherwise we just end up with drones who vote for the prettiest candidate. It's just unfortunate they had to be introduced to this idiot, rather then someone rational.

On your second point - I agree. Unfortunately he didn't actually ask hard questions, and instead just verbally abused them.


The kind of politics these kids were put up to (getting funding for your cause) isn't pretty. It just happens that the man they were tring to convince was vehemently opposed to the orginization they represented. Planned parenthood should have known better than to throw these kids into this.
 
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