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2008-03-05 01:35:03 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Mart Laar's beard shaver: DROxINxTHExWIND:
Does Fark really mean that much to you?

Really?


Sorry. My line was better.
=====================================

While I won't concede, I will give you points for timing and delivery.


This exchange gives me hope for Fark, and by extension, all of humanity.
 
2008-03-05 01:37:21 PM
Jairzinho: FTFA: (Ecuadoran president) Correa (said) "the region will be in danger, because the next victim could be Peru, it could be Brazil, Venezuela, Bolivia, any one of our countries."

That's a FAIL of presidential proportions there. Last time I checked a map Bolivia and Colombia didn't share a border.

He's just making noise to distract the fact that he and his Defense Minister were cought making friends with FARC.


The reference was that there is also an element of FARC in Bolivia. But no worries about Bolivia. They are having a rather large civil conflict right now. A friend of mine was marched off the bus with everyone else in front of machine guns to make it into the city... Pretty scary... She definitely grabbed the next bus out of town...
 
2008-03-05 01:38:38 PM
FLMountainMan: This exchange gives me hope for Fark, and by extension, all of humanity.

I think that if you look at the members of Fark as a microcosm of the nation as a whole, what you'll discover is that we are all just a little farked up.
 
2008-03-05 01:39:46 PM
You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation. Like it or not, their action will likely be condemned by the United Nations, despite everyone here taking potshots at Chavez. None of this stupid saber-rattling by Chavez, ostensibly to show "support" for a neighbor for his own political purposes, would exist if the Colombians hadn't decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out a military operation across international borders.
 
2008-03-05 01:41:21 PM
czarangelus: LowPlainsDrifter: Dude, I normally kind of agree with you on a lot of things (or at least more things than most on Fark do), but on this one, I'm calling "troll". Sorry. It just screams "Let Me Hook You!" from word one.

Oh brother, troll my ass children.

I'll bet you fools dollars to donuts that when Chavez was in Columbia petitioning for the release of those hostages, he was also plotting with FARC on how best to coordinate the toppling of the Columbian government. I simply don't see Columbia as having the power or the will to resist a major uprising and an external invasion all at once - governments don't do well against that combination. And there is fark shiat the USA can do about it - arm the Columbians? We've been doing that for years and they can't beat FARC. Besides, weapons aren't a substitute for morale and willpower. Bomb Venezuela? That doesn't seem even remotely politically feasible.

The US sponsored narco-regime of Columbia is up shiat creek.


It's OK, kid, we know you will always be on the side 1 of any self-described socialist who hates the US.

You've made your point. Now here's a donut. Shut up.

1 When I say 'on the side of', I mean 'on your knees in front of', of course.
 
2008-03-05 01:42:42 PM
Jackdragna: You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation. Like it or not, their action will likely be condemned by the United Nations, despite everyone here taking potshots at Chavez. None of this stupid saber-rattling by Chavez, ostensibly to show "support" for a neighbor for his own political purposes, would exist if the Colombians hadn't decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out a military operation across international borders.

"International law" which keeps a sovereign country from being able to protect itself ought to be ignored.
 
2008-03-05 01:45:56 PM
Jackdragna: You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation.

No, they crossed the border and attacked a bunch of cowering rebels using Ecuador as a safe haven to commit attacks.

This escalated, not because of the crossing 1.5km into Ecuador, but because they nailed FARC bigwigs and got some pretty damning evidence of Ecuador and Venezuela helping attack the sovereign nation of Colombia with monetary and direct aid.
 
2008-03-05 01:46:15 PM
TheGreyPiper: czarangelus: LowPlainsDrifter: Dude, I normally kind of agree with you on a lot of things (or at least more things than most on Fark do), but on this one, I'm calling "troll". Sorry. It just screams "Let Me Hook You!" from word one.

Oh brother, troll my ass children.

I'll bet you fools dollars to donuts that when Chavez was in Columbia petitioning for the release of those hostages, he was also plotting with FARC on how best to coordinate the toppling of the Columbian government. I simply don't see Columbia as having the power or the will to resist a major uprising and an external invasion all at once - governments don't do well against that combination. And there is fark shiat the USA can do about it - arm the Columbians? We've been doing that for years and they can't beat FARC. Besides, weapons aren't a substitute for morale and willpower. Bomb Venezuela? That doesn't seem even remotely politically feasible.

The US sponsored narco-regime of Columbia is up shiat creek.

It's OK, kid, we know you will always be on the side 1 of any self-described socialist who hates the US.

You've made your point. Now here's a donut. Shut up.

1 When I say 'on the side of', I mean 'on your knees in front of', of course.

====================================

Are you so blinded by partisan BS that you can't see WHEN the new Conservative hatred of Chavez began? Come on, man. You're allowing them to handle you like a farking fool. Have some self respect. You should be insulted.

Chavez questions the official version of 9/11 and calls Bush "the devil" while speaking at the UN and suddenly he's an international threat?

WAKE UP.
 
2008-03-05 01:46:49 PM
Dire: It's gun is an ordinary 76 millimeter but they added a piece of pipe onto it, and the Colombians think, like, maybe it's a 90 millimeter


Nicely played, sir.

/Kelly's Heroes FTW
 
2008-03-05 01:46:57 PM
Jackdragna: You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation. Like it or not, their action will likely be condemned by the United Nations, despite everyone here taking potshots at Chavez. None of this stupid saber-rattling by Chavez, ostensibly to show "support" for a neighbor for his own political purposes, would exist if the Colombians hadn't decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out a military operation across international borders.

Every nation in South America has said that same exact thing!

/read it in the paper this morning...
//Colombiana's are still smokin' hot...
 
2008-03-05 01:47:39 PM
Jackdragna: You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation. Like it or not, their action will likely be condemned by the United Nations, despite everyone here taking potshots at Chavez. None of this stupid saber-rattling by Chavez, ostensibly to show "support" for a neighbor for his own political purposes, would exist if the Colombians hadn't decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out a military operation across international borders.

Ecuador was violating international law in the first place by allowing FARC to attack Colombia from their side.
 
2008-03-05 01:49:13 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: TheGreyPiper: czarangelus:
...

Chavez questions the official version of 9/11 and calls Bush "the devil" while speaking at the UN and suddenly he's an international threat?

WAKE UP.


You take a lunatic like that seriously? Get off your knees.
 
2008-03-05 01:56:02 PM
Jackdragna: You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation.

Dear Ecuador:

Don't harbor terrorists.

Best Regards,

9-12.
 
2008-03-05 01:56:15 PM
Jubeebee: Pantload: maq0r: Already checked in desperation.

The us army requires residency at least.

Yes there is no toilet paper, i have to shower everytime i take a crap

Not true. Mexican Nationals can join the Army. If you are Mexican, contact your closest US Consul, or the US Embassy and ask how to go about it.

For other nationalities, it is possible, but more difficult.

You must have missed that part where he's Venezuelan.

Stay safe, maq0r.


I was specifying that foreign nationals can join up. But.. I called the local recruiter and anyone who joins the US Army has to have legal residency. Apparently the Major I asked wasn't as up to date as he needed to be, because he said there was an agreement to allow Mexicans to join up.
According to the recruiter, some sort of legal residency has to exist. Long term temporary (specifics apply) or permanent.

I had been trying to help out a Colombian buddy as well.

/Done
 
2008-03-05 01:58:01 PM
A Tout Le Monde: czarangelus: buckers1: did DulceEtDecorumEst stump the all mighty czar?

It's obviously a difference of interpretation. Things are different in Colombia depending on if you're the mostly-white descendents of Europeans, or the dark descendent of the natives. I think this whole cocaine thing is way overblown and overrated; leave it alone.

US drops eye-eating fungus on Colombia

Another source

So yeah. It's like asking a white person on Wall St. vs a black person in Harlem about police brutality.

I read the article, they haven't dropped anything yet. It's just a bill in congress by some anti-drug nutjob.


That "eye-eating fungus" was refused at every level and has never been used. Yes, as a matter of fact, I did work in that program.
 
2008-03-05 01:58:04 PM
mailer.fsu.edu
 
2008-03-05 02:02:14 PM
www.gizmology.net
 
2008-03-05 02:03:10 PM
Here's a quote from a BBS of Colombian Expats at Poor but Happy (new window)

so, here's what could happen...chavez sends his troops across the border and they make their way towards cali, medellin, bogota, etc....but first, they get held up with immigration, then find out they don't have any pesos or credit to pay for the ruinious fuel prices for their tanks.

trying to fly into bogota with their new russian jets, they find themselves in holding paterns since the air control system sucks.

finally, reduced to walking and thumbing rides, they are releaved of all their belongings by street urchins and ladrones.

now, down to thier last few dollars, they buy bagfuls of hot pan de bono and arepas simple (5 for a dollar on any street corner) and join the hordes of unemployed and displaced beggers and vendors lining the avenues.

dispirited and objects of derision by one and all (including themselves) they offer to kill themselves but are denied permission from DAS since they lack the proper identification and ingress/egress records. also, none of their original invasion paperwork has been properly notorized or officially blessed by the church.

a few stragglers manage to make their way to ibague where they finally succumb to the really, really, i mean really, bad food at the bus terminal cafes.

oh yeah, chavez is later found dead in bogota when he freezes to death standing in line waiting for a f'ng visa interview at the US embassy and having had to breath the polluted air. (the autopsy is inconclusive as to to whether the tears found in his eyes are from the pollution or disapointment in his own judgement)

services are later held in san andres where all is needed is a valid passport.

if he had only known.


I'm thinking they're taking a different attitude in Colombia...

/Ya think?
 
2008-03-05 02:05:09 PM
Somebody stated that FARC "sprang up" when the Cali cartels failed. Well, there was one. And it still exists, but has moved north a touch to Norte De Cauca.

And FARC celebrated the 40 aniversary in 2004 by bombing Bogotá, Medellín and Cali, plus some smaller towns. That was in 2004. I don't think the Cali cartels failed in the 60s, so the statement was wrong, and doesn't properly illustrate how much experience FARC has.

There has a been a bunch of wrong information in this thread, as well as some well spoken opinions...
 
2008-03-05 02:07:31 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Chavez questions the official version of 9/11 and calls Bush "the devil" while speaking at the UN and suddenly he's an international threat?

WAKE UP.


Or it could be that he has ties to FARC and is stirring up crap in Colombia.
Not everything is related to Bush or 9/11. Unless you ask Giuliani of course.
 
2008-03-05 02:08:10 PM
Jackdragna: None of this stupid saber-rattling by Chavez, ostensibly to show "support" for a neighbor for his own political purposes, would exist if the Colombians hadn't decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out a military operation across international borders.

Do you know who else, not long ago, decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out operations across an international border to capture/kill criminals too?

/Kiki would've been proud of this incursion.
//Obscure?
 
2008-03-05 02:08:35 PM
TheGreyPiper: DROxINxTHExWIND: TheGreyPiper: czarangelus:
...

Chavez questions the official version of 9/11 and calls Bush "the devil" while speaking at the UN and suddenly he's an international threat?

WAKE UP.

You take a lunatic like that seriously? Get off your knees.

========================================

LOL. So, I'm taking the "lunatic" "seriously", and you're here biatching about how evil he is. Which is it? Should we take him seriously and form an international coalition against him, or is he just a "lunatic" to be ignored?

Play the fence much?
 
2008-03-05 02:09:03 PM
hard2bnice: buckers1: czarangelus: buckers1: did DulceEtDecorumEst stump the all mighty czar?

It's obviously a difference of interpretation. Things are different in Colombia depending on if you're the mostly-white descendents of Europeans, or the dark descendent of the natives. I think this whole cocaine thing is way overblown and overrated; leave it alone.

US drops eye-eating fungus on Colombia

Another source

So yeah. It's like asking a white person on Wall St. vs a black person in Harlem about police brutality.

rather it should be ask a black person about police brutality in the suburbs of TN, the naggers beat the cops up in Harlem, they aint got sheeeet to worry bout in da hood

I guess all your time spent in Harlem led you to this conclusion.


ya pretty much, i watched thiz stuffs happen when we was hadin to the sto to pick up some of you kno, forteez.

nah i was just on the train of pickin czar apart. he really got put into his place with rational thought...wait...uhr...he was shown the path to rationality but did not hop on the train.
 
2008-03-05 02:09:58 PM
Keep hating Chavez, sheep.

Trust your own government, trust what they tell you, they have no reason to lie to you at all. It's for your own good, citizen. Just pay more attention to your favourite TV show, your favourite sports team, and keep pushing yourself into debt. Your government has, and has always had, your best interests in mind. Face front.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the US public deserve the criminally inept government they currently have? Because for the most part, they don't even question the simplest arguments, they pile on in some moronic jingoistic, nationalistic swoon.

In the same sentence they can deride Chavez as a dictator (he's not), and Castro as a danger to human life everywhere, and yet your own American government has slaughtered hundreds of thousands more than these two regimes, has invaded sovereign nations, and has engineered coups that overthrew democratic governments.

Whether you know it or not, YOU are the bad guys.
 
2008-03-05 02:10:24 PM
ColOmbia!!

Coño acaben y escriban bien el nombre del pais puñeta...
 
2008-03-05 02:11:46 PM
Pantload: Somebody stated that FARC "sprang up" when the Cali cartels failed. Well, there was one. And it still exists, but has moved north a touch to Norte De Cauca.

And FARC celebrated the 40 aniversary in 2004 by bombing Bogotá, Medellín and Cali, plus some smaller towns. That was in 2004. I don't think the Cali cartels failed in the 60s, so the statement was wrong, and doesn't properly illustrate how much experience FARC has.

There has a been a bunch of wrong information in this thread, as well as some well spoken opinions...


You're right, they started as a Communist insurgent group in 1964, but since the failure of the cartels in the past decade or so, mainly the Medellin, FARC is basically the replacement overseers. It's how they have funded themselves for a very long time.
Like I said before, new boss, same as the old boss
 
2008-03-05 02:13:37 PM
jakomo002: Keep hating Chavez

Ok.

Thanks!
 
2008-03-05 02:25:15 PM
I've lived there for a couple of months 18 years ago adopting my son who was born in Bogota and I've travelled extensively and regularly in Central, South America and the Caribbean on business.

Forget about all you have heard about these fine people.

I remember seeing them queued up for the bus in the morning in Bogota, just going to work, as squads of Federal & Military police went roaring by responding to the car bombs going off here and there. Not just once in a while but several times a week and sometimes multiple bombs on the same day.

Juxtapose that with the meltdown in NYC (I was 4 block away in '93 and 5 blocks away in '01) and the whole victim mentality thing that still goes on here.

Maracaibo is a border oil town, and I saw lots of pregnant women from the Guajira strolling around in the heat. I asked someone - 'how come so many pregnant women around here?' and they said, 'no they're not pregnant, they're Guajira Indian smugglers and the border cops let them carry anything they want so long as it fits under their dress'.

Colombians and Venezuelans are OK people and a good bit tougher than you may think.
 
2008-03-05 02:27:24 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Are you so blinded by partisan BS that you can't see WHEN the new Conservative hatred of Chavez began? Come on, man. You're allowing them to handle you like a farking fool. Have some self respect. You should be insulted.

Chavez questions the official version of 9/11 and calls Bush "the devil" while speaking at the UN and suddenly he's an international threat?

WAKE UP.


"Nationalizing", otherwise known as "stealing", foreign companies he doesn't like, clamping down on free speech, and an endless series of threats to a U.S. that would prefer to ignore him could have something to do with why anyone might not like Chavez. That his best butt buddy is human-rights disaster Castro doesn't help much either. So you have conservatives, others who believe in private property rights, civil libertarians, some socialists, and American patriots hating him. Who does that leave who wouldn't hate the guy? Communists? Fascist socialists?

Nobody hates Chavez for his "inside job" views on 911. That just makes him look stupid. And the "devil" stuff at the UN makes him look childish. Those antics are more likely to elicit laughter than hate.
 
2008-03-05 02:31:20 PM
DulceEtDecorumEst is one of the few posting anything resembling a reasonable thought.
 
2008-03-05 02:31:28 PM
Anschauer: .

Colombians and Venezuelans are OK people and a good bit tougher than you may think.

THIS
 
2008-03-05 02:32:06 PM
SovietDictator


TY
 
2008-03-05 02:32:14 PM
Jackdragna: You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation. Like it or not, their action will likely be condemned by the United Nations, despite everyone here taking potshots at Chavez. None of this stupid saber-rattling by Chavez, ostensibly to show "support" for a neighbor for his own political purposes, would exist if the Colombians hadn't decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out a military operation across international borders.

Yes, that's all well and fine, and at the very beginning, it looked like it was going to be just an international incident of little consequence. That is, until Huguito chewed a bit more coca paste than usual and rolled the troops to the border. Which incidentally reminds me of gorillas beating their chests inside their cages. Anyway, there are rumours around here that the whole troop movilization is just a smoke screen to cover the fact that they found those documents on Reyes' laptop, linking FARC and the Venezuelan government. I don't really blame Colombia on this one, after all, FARC troops have been seeking refuge in Ecuador and Venezuela for decades, with very little, if any, being done to keep them at bay.
 
2008-03-05 02:34:41 PM
Anschauer: I've lived there for a couple of months 18 years ago adopting my son who was born in Bogota and I've travelled extensively and regularly in Central, South America and the Caribbean on business.

Forget about all you have heard about these fine people.

I remember seeing them queued up for the bus in the morning in Bogota, just going to work, as squads of Federal & Military police went roaring by responding to the car bombs going off here and there. Not just once in a while but several times a week and sometimes multiple bombs on the same day.

Juxtapose that with the meltdown in NYC (I was 4 block away in '93 and 5 blocks away in '01) and the whole victim mentality thing that still goes on here.

Maracaibo is a border oil town, and I saw lots of pregnant women from the Guajira strolling around in the heat. I asked someone - 'how come so many pregnant women around here?' and they said, 'no they're not pregnant, they're Guajira Indian smugglers and the border cops let them carry anything they want so long as it fits under their dress'.

Colombians and Venezuelans are OK people and a good bit tougher than you may think.


It has changed alot since then... Colombia is the only country where the police have ordered me to stand against the wall with my hands spread out to "pat me down". And it was just a normal thing. In all of Central/South America that hasn't happened. I've been stopped, but never searched physically. The police are very serious about FARC and checking for weapons and such.

Big_Fat_Liar: DROxINxTHExWIND: Are you so blinded by partisan BS that you can't see WHEN the new Conservative hatred of Chavez began? Come on, man. You're allowing them to handle you like a farking fool. Have some self respect. You should be insulted.

Chavez questions the official version of 9/11 and calls Bush "the devil" while speaking at the UN and suddenly he's an international threat?

WAKE UP.

"Nationalizing", otherwise known as "stealing", foreign companies he doesn't like, clamping down on free speech, and an endless series of threats to a U.S. that would prefer to ignore him could have something to do with why anyone might not like Chavez. That his best butt buddy is human-rights disaster Castro doesn't help much either. So you have conservatives, others who believe in private property rights, civil libertarians, some socialists, and American patriots hating him. Who does that leave who wouldn't hate the guy? Communists? Fascist socialists?

Nobody hates Chavez for his "inside job" views on 911. That just makes him look stupid. And the "devil" stuff at the UN makes him look childish. Those antics are more likely to elicit laughter than hate.


Nice reply
/Golf Clap
//couldn't have said it better myself
///poster will ignore you and continue to be stupid...
 
2008-03-05 02:36:39 PM
DrSandyBeech: ColOmbia!!

Coño acaben y escriban bien el nombre del pais puñeta...



that's some righteous anger, there!


/// jajajajajaj! coño, DrSandyBeach... boté el café por la nariz
 
2008-03-05 02:37:50 PM
jakomo002: Keep hating Chavez, sheep.

Trust your own government, trust what they tell you, they have no reason to lie to you at all. It's for your own good, citizen. Just pay more attention to your favourite TV show, your favourite sports team, and keep pushing yourself into debt. Your government has, and has always had, your best interests in mind. Face front.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the US public deserve the criminally inept government they currently have? Because for the most part, they don't even question the simplest arguments, they pile on in some moronic jingoistic, nationalistic swoon.

In the same sentence they can deride Chavez as a dictator (he's not), and Castro as a danger to human life everywhere, and yet your own American government has slaughtered hundreds of thousands more than these two regimes, has invaded sovereign nations, and has engineered coups that overthrew democratic governments.

Whether you know it or not, YOU are the bad guys.



Sweet, I always wanted to be the bad guy.

/off to kick a dog and ship some SARS blankets to Canada
 
2008-03-05 02:44:44 PM
I met this Venezuelan girl last Friday and told her why I thought Chávez was a douche. When I asked her what she thought of him, she said she'd stab him herself.

We're going on a date this weekend.
 
2008-03-05 02:48:25 PM
YixilTesiphon: Jackdragna: You know, what's being missed in this whole thread is that Colombia actually did cross the border and attack a sovereign nation. Like it or not, their action will likely be condemned by the United Nations, despite everyone here taking potshots at Chavez. None of this stupid saber-rattling by Chavez, ostensibly to show "support" for a neighbor for his own political purposes, would exist if the Colombians hadn't decided to say "the hell with international law" and carry out a military operation across international borders.

Ecuador was violating international law in the first place by allowing FARC to attack Colombia from their side.


I don't think chasing criminals is exactly the same as attacking another country. If they attacked Ecuadorans, or a city, or a military post, yes, that's attacking another country.

But saying they attacked Ecuador makes for better headlines

If state troopers chase someone into Lousiana, and aprehend them, that does not mean that Texas attacked Louisiana.
 
2008-03-05 02:49:23 PM
/plays HellMarch.mp3
//not obscure
 
2008-03-05 02:51:33 PM
jakomo002: Keep hating Chavez, sheep.

Trust your own government, trust what they tell you, they have no reason to lie to you at all. It's for your own good, citizen. Just pay more attention to your favourite TV show, your favourite sports team, and keep pushing yourself into debt. Your government has, and has always had, your best interests in mind. Face front.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the US public deserve the criminally inept government they currently have? Because for the most part, they don't even question the simplest arguments, they pile on in some moronic jingoistic, nationalistic swoon.

In the same sentence they can deride Chavez as a dictator (he's not), and Castro as a danger to human life everywhere, and yet your own American government has slaughtered hundreds of thousands more than these two regimes, has invaded sovereign nations, and has engineered coups that overthrew democratic governments.

Whether you know it or not, YOU are the bad guys.


Sucks to not be on our side huh?

Oh yeah, you're wrong on several counts... but I'm a sheep. Don't look at me like that, I'm not Venezuelano
 
2008-03-05 02:54:36 PM
Big_Fat_Liar: DROxINxTHExWIND: Are you so blinded by partisan BS that you can't see WHEN the new Conservative hatred of Chavez began? Come on, man. You're allowing them to handle you like a farking fool. Have some self respect. You should be insulted.

Chavez questions the official version of 9/11 and calls Bush "the devil" while speaking at the UN and suddenly he's an international threat?

WAKE UP.

"Nationalizing", otherwise known as "stealing", foreign companies he doesn't like, clamping down on free speech, and an endless series of threats to a U.S. that would prefer to ignore him could have something to do with why anyone might not like Chavez. That his best butt buddy is human-rights disaster Castro doesn't help much either. So you have conservatives, others who believe in private property rights, civil libertarians, some socialists, and American patriots hating him. Who does that leave who wouldn't hate the guy? Communists? Fascist socialists?

Nobody hates Chavez for his "inside job" views on 911. That just makes him look stupid. And the "devil" stuff at the UN makes him look childish. Those antics are more likely to elicit laughter than hate.

=====================================

LOL. Man, look at the timing. Once I decide to hate you I'm certain I could fish around and drum up seemingly valid reasons. Every SINGLE one of those points was something that has been played up AFTER the fact.

The "devil" stuff at the UN made him look childish...but US Congressmen took time to angrily rebuke him?

They would rather ignore him but he's been mentioned as part of the fictional Axis of Evil? You keep telling me how insignificant you think he is, as you simultaneously tell me how much of a threat he is. One or the other.
 
2008-03-05 03:07:18 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND:
While I won't concede, I will give you points for timing and delivery.

Thumbs up for class.
 
2008-03-05 03:18:05 PM
Hypothetically, how would the Colombian air force fare against Venezuela if they had a single carrier's AWACS supporting them

I'm not really sure, Columbia has about a dozen upgraded Mirage fighters, dated, but workable. I'd say comperable to a Phantom performance wise with better radar and targeting. Thier pilots have a fair amount of air to ground combat time, but I don't think they have trained much for air to air.

Venezuela has top of the line soviet fighters, but no combat experience, maybe not even training if they didn't pay for training from the russians too. If Venesuela did pay for training, you might have Russian advisors flying missions and that would be bad news for Columbia.

As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, 4 or so F22s flying out of a remote base in columbia or some other country in the region would be the surest way of impacting the fight if one started.
 
2008-03-05 03:21:19 PM
jakomo002: Keep hating Chavez, sheep.

Please read posts from maq0r & TelekineticBanana in this thread - unless they're Bush and Cheney on the DL
 
2008-03-05 03:28:58 PM
maq0r, animo

Mexico apoya a los anti-Chavistas :]
 
2008-03-05 03:31:15 PM
I came for the pics of hot Venezuelan women, and I am disappointed.
 
2008-03-05 03:32:00 PM
czarangelus: You know, I thought he was bluffing, but now I see the tactical sense of it. Colombia is nothing but a US-sponsored narcostate, and FARC controls a whole lot of territory. It's also one of the last US satraps in South America. Chavez may well be betting the farm on his ability to knock out the last stronghold of US power in South America at this critical weak point in our power, and replace it with more of his democratic, South America-centric socialism.

It must be comfortable up there in that fluffy cloud of naive.
 
2008-03-05 03:32:44 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Once I decide to hate you I'm certain I could fish around and drum up seemingly valid reasons

Drum up? Ha, I could give you a list!
 
2008-03-05 03:34:29 PM
jakomo002: Keep hating Chavez, sheep.

Trust your own government, trust what they tell you, they have no reason to lie to you at all. It's for your own good, citizen. Just pay more attention to your favourite TV show, your favourite sports team, and keep pushing yourself into debt. Your government has, and has always had, your best interests in mind. Face front.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the US public deserve the criminally inept government they currently have? Because for the most part, they don't even question the simplest arguments, they pile on in some moronic jingoistic, nationalistic swoon.

In the same sentence they can deride Chavez as a dictator (he's not), and Castro as a danger to human life everywhere, and yet your own American government has slaughtered hundreds of thousands more than these two regimes, has invaded sovereign nations, and has engineered coups that overthrew democratic governments.

Whether you know it or not, YOU are the bad guys.


Which automatically makes everything Chavez and Castro do smell like flowers, right? Do you really see everything in such black and white?

"Well, if I disagree with Bush, and this guy disagrees with Bush as well, he must be great, benevolent leader who poops flowers."

Naive.
 
2008-03-05 03:35:16 PM
Bowen: jakomo002: Keep hating Chavez, sheep.

Please read posts from maq0r & TelekineticBanana in this thread - unless they're Bush and Cheney on the DL


Don't you understand? You are a sheep for thinking that Chavez doesn't shoot rainbows and sunshine from his arsehole. Just because you are part of that group of people who are "grounded in reality" or "rational" or "capable of thinking" doesn't give you the right to hate glorious Chavez, just because he takes away peoples rights, steals their property, imprisons dissidents and threatens war on his neighbors. He is good and righteous man because he doesn't like Bush, which means to hard core lefties like jakoffchavezmo002 that he is like their patron saint or something. Pointing out that he does the same things that they say they hate Bush/Cheney for only angers them, since it shows the depths of their doublethink/cognative dissonance.
 
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