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2008-03-05 12:06:37 AM  
Oh nm here is the new thread.
 
2008-03-05 12:07:18 AM  
WOOT

Numero quatro
 
2008-03-05 12:07:19 AM  
Second Boobies
 
2008-03-05 12:07:41 AM  
img410.imageshack.us
 
2008-03-05 12:07:47 AM  
I am sooo pissed right now. I was hoping Obama would have been able to get one of them...perhaps he'll still get Texas
 
2008-03-05 12:07:50 AM  
Why do they keep closing threads?
 
2008-03-05 12:07:51 AM  
I've never seen anything that went on to a fourth discussion thread before.
 
2008-03-05 12:07:57 AM  
Bah, make that third boobies.

/Still disappointed in Ohio.
 
2008-03-05 12:08:03 AM  
Shaggy_C: Just saying that some people really are too dumb to be CEOs. Some are too dumb to really do anything we consider white-collar today. Rather than say 'well, they should work at McDonalds', I say they get into a trade where they BUILD things, and help our overall economy by making us not a country of consumers but one of makers too. But...Maybe you'd rather we continue to turn soft and weak and send all of our important industry abroad, security risk be damned. I mean, shiat man...if we go to war in a major way, what the hell are we going to do when we have to depend on China to make our tanks for us?

Pay American laborers inflated wages for the same product sold in America. Who's wallet does that hurt genius? The 10,000 workers with fabricated jobs, or the millions of Americans that pay to subsidize jobs that the market doesn't want? And how easy will it to be to export said product if its cost is inflated.

You fail at economics. This is freaking basic and you fail.

Oh, but the fraudulent national security rhetoric was a nice touch.

However, that point also fails because you fail to realize that China cannot continue to thrive economically and drive its middle class without the social reforms that they will inevitably demand.

When was the last time we went to war with a liberal democracy.

Give it up Shaggy, you're simply outclassed here.

I guess Supply Side Jesus didn't cover that in his sermons.

Patience. I'm sure you'll have your chance to gas the Christians someday.
 
2008-03-05 12:08:13 AM  
Listening to rehashed McCain speech...

If Clinton wins the Nom... I def voting for him.
 
2008-03-05 12:08:13 AM  
testes
 
2008-03-05 12:08:19 AM  
MATT DAMON
 
2008-03-05 12:08:22 AM  
Murkanen: Why do they keep closing threads?

Stress on the server. Smaller thread, happier server
 
2008-03-05 12:08:34 AM  
Hmm maybe I'll ask here about this...

I don't know if this means anything or not, but when I look at the map on CNN it appears as though most of the Clinton strongholds are tapping out (other than Webb and El Paso) in terms of precincts reporting while ones where Obama has a major lead appear to have a ways to go, including the major population centres (where he appears to have a rather substantial lead). I don't quite understand why Harris is hanging at 14% for so long, though.

Still, she looks to be pulling ahead.
 
2008-03-05 12:08:34 AM  
Steals those second place boobies like Hillary is trying to steal the Democratic nomination.

MY TURN!111!
 
2008-03-05 12:08:40 AM  
Anyone hear Russert list the Obama memo?

Interesting.
 
2008-03-05 12:08:52 AM  
Well, this is even more epic that Super Duper Tuesday
 
2008-03-05 12:09:11 AM  
Matt Damon: MATT DAMON

Okay, I lol'd

Thanks for lightening the mood.
 
2008-03-05 12:09:26 AM  
At this point, my only fear is the perception that Obama lost tonight, when, in reality, he did everything he could, and will come out tomorrow with a substantial delegate lead. On that count, Hillary failed, miserably. However, looking at the front page of CNN, it sure doesn't look like that.
 
2008-03-05 12:09:33 AM  
Alright... here's the question for the Democratic Party. This race has split the party almost exactly in half. The question is, do you want the half that is primarily people born before 1960? Or do you want the half born after 1960? Consider what that means in 2012. In 2016. In 2020. Also, consider how many life-long Democrats become Republicans right about the time they get their AARP card. Think about it. Come up with a good answer before Denver.
 
2008-03-05 12:10:11 AM  
As far as Ohio, I just want Obama to get within 10% of Clinton. No double digit leads. I don't want anyone (other than Clinton, because she will) turning this into a mandate.
 
2008-03-05 12:10:13 AM  
Obama will win Texas.
 
2008-03-05 12:10:21 AM  
Darth_Lukecash:

I am sooo pissed right now. I was hoping Obama would have been able to get one of them...perhaps he'll still get Texas

He's winning in the giant metro areas while Clinton is winning in the fly-over part of Texas. Plus there is the caucus which is where he does his best.

/2 of the largest counties in OH still need to get their votes in as well, so that gap will only shrink
 
2008-03-05 12:10:39 AM  
Four? Wow. It's like some sort of record.


/Damn you Ohio!
//We still have Texas. I hope...
 
2008-03-05 12:10:45 AM  
Curious Hussein.
 
2008-03-05 12:10:55 AM  
C'mon, Texas, get your act together. My buds told me you were cool.
 
2008-03-05 12:11:09 AM  
Richardson and Edwards better get off their asses and make up their minds about who they are going to endorse. If they keep waiting it will only make them look like they are waiting for a victor to make a stand.
 
2008-03-05 12:11:29 AM  
Comeon Texas! Obama needs you!
 
2008-03-05 12:11:35 AM  
Let's not forget that Ohio was responsible for "re-electing" Bush. Yup, a state full of winners there...
 
2008-03-05 12:11:38 AM  
locopolitico, you are the first person to use an image of mine in a thread!

/Tried to post in the last thread, got shutout
 
2008-03-05 12:11:38 AM  
Ohio: Most of the rural bumfark Clinton counties that count their votes on their fingers and toes (or in some cases an abacus, if the total exceeds 17) have fully reported. The cities, where they count the votes on a 1974 Texas Instruments pocket calculator supplemented with a chalkboard are still only half-counted. Watching the results over the past couple hours, the margin's been narrowing, and I expect it'll end up closer to the pre-primary polls.

Fark Ohio anyway.

Especially Cuyahoga County, the map of which appears in the dictionary next to "Corruption". Chicago electoral politics? Phfffft. Please.

Texas: No caucus results reported yet.
 
2008-03-05 12:11:59 AM  
1000 Hurts: At this point, my only fear is the perception that Obama lost tonight, when, in reality, he did everything he could, and will come out tomorrow with a substantial delegate lead. On that count, Hillary failed, miserably. However, looking at the front page of CNN, it sure doesn't look like that.

you expected something different from the clinton news network?
 
2008-03-05 12:12:16 AM  
Shame on you Ohio!, shame on you!
 
2008-03-05 12:12:27 AM  
This will end up being the first brokered convention in my lifetime. I'll be watching that with great interest.
 
2008-03-05 12:12:29 AM  
barcaboy: Obama will win Texas.

I agree. Once Dallas and Austin start coming in Clinton's 1-3 point lead will disappear in a heartbeat.
 
2008-03-05 12:12:30 AM  
Obama for CHangE...
 
2008-03-05 12:12:36 AM  
Hillary is growing her lead in TX. We're farked.
 
2008-03-05 12:12:39 AM  
1000 Hurts: At this point, my only fear is the perception that Obama lost tonight, when, in reality, he did everything he could, and will come out tomorrow with a substantial delegate lead. On that count, Hillary failed, miserably. However, looking at the front page of CNN, it sure doesn't look like that.

It won't, but the truth is still there, she will need 65% of all the remaining contests to win this, and tonight just made it harder for her, small wins and ties are bad for her, she needed to win this big.

If the story about the 50 delegates getting ready to endorse Obama is true, he'll steal her media coverage, too.
 
2008-03-05 12:12:44 AM  
Hillary is up in Texas by 2% on cnn's count.

I bet republicans were voting for Hillary to prolong the race.
 
2008-03-05 12:13:00 AM  
Obama will squeak by in the popular vote in TX

But all signs seem to indicate he will stomp her on the delegate count.

It is very possible that Obama will be able to claim that he has widened his delegate lead against Clinton, that's all he'll need to start brining some Supers on board.
 
2008-03-05 12:13:09 AM  
Anyone know when the Texas caucus results start coming in?
 
2008-03-05 12:13:15 AM  
Echoic: Anyone hear Russert list the Obama memo?

Interesting.


Explain.
 
2008-03-05 12:13:16 AM  
All right, so what's left it this plays out all the way?
Here's my gut calls (haven't checked polls, just going on gut)
North Carolina -- Obama
Mississippi -- Obama
Pennsylvania -- Edge: Clinton
Indiana -- Obama
S Dakota -- Haven't a clue
Kentucky -- Edge: Obama
Oregon -- Obama

Agree? Disagree?
 
2008-03-05 12:13:28 AM  
krunvisaurus: Shame on you Ohio!, shame on you!

Screw you Hippie. We delivered our County, and did it well.

Blame the rest of the state. We did our part
 
2008-03-05 12:13:46 AM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples: This will end up being the first brokered convention in my lifetime. I'll be watching that with great interest.

There will be no brokered convention. It's basically impossible. There are only two candidates to vote for - one of them will get over 50% on the first ballot. A brokered convention means no one gets to 50% on the first ballot, and that requires more than 2 nominees. I really don't think John Edwards 26 delegates will make the difference.
 
2008-03-05 12:13:48 AM  
Palmer Eldritch: I've never seen anything that went on to a fourth discussion thread before.

In the good ole days, the thread used to just keep going. I think the top thread has 4k+ comments.
 
2008-03-05 12:13:50 AM  
IAmAGodWarrior: Your entire post is full of fail. If you complete the scenario you depicted above, blue collar wokrewrs have more money in their pockets, genius. china cant contain its growth? watch it. regulation of currency and boom in manufacturing jobs.

Weak rebuttal. You didn't read what I wrote and/or you can't do the math.

10,000 workers with more money in their pockets doesn't offset the millions paying more for the inflated cost of product X, and the opportunity cost of failed trade overseas due to inflated cost. Math is your friend.

china cant contain its growth?

Never wrote this. You missed the point entirely.
 
2008-03-05 12:13:52 AM  
img510.imageshack.us
 
2008-03-05 12:14:03 AM  
Digeratus: Anyone know when the Texas caucus results start coming in?

June/July

(Seriously)
 
2008-03-05 12:14:05 AM  
DamnYankees: Hillary is growing her lead in TX. We're farked.

Really? CNN just had her lead go from 51-48 to 50-48, 64% reporting.
 
2008-03-05 12:14:26 AM  
USP .45: Shaggy_C: Just saying that some people really are too dumb to be CEOs. Some are too dumb to really do anything we consider white-collar today. Rather than say 'well, they should work at McDonalds', I say they get into a trade where they BUILD things, and help our overall economy by making us not a country of consumers but one of makers too. But...Maybe you'd rather we continue to turn soft and weak and send all of our important industry abroad, security risk be damned. I mean, shiat man...if we go to war in a major way, what the hell are we going to do when we have to depend on China to make our tanks for us?

Pay American laborers inflated wages for the same product sold in America. Who's wallet does that hurt genius? The 10,000 workers with fabricated jobs, or the millions of Americans that pay to subsidize jobs that the market doesn't want? And how easy will it to be to export said product if its cost is inflated.

You fail at economics. This is freaking basic and you fail.

Oh, but the fraudulent national security rhetoric was a nice touch.

However, that point also fails because you fail to realize that China cannot continue to thrive economically and drive its middle class without the social reforms that they will inevitably demand.

When was the last time we went to war with a liberal democracy.

Give it up Shaggy, you're simply outclassed here.

I guess Supply Side Jesus didn't cover that in his sermons.

Patience. I'm sure you'll have your chance to gas the Christians someday.


This post is filled with a rather large amount of fail.

Much like stock portfolios, or any such investment..it is very, VERY important not to put your eggs in one baskets economic wise. If one fails, then the other can help keep the economies running.
 
2008-03-05 12:14:28 AM  
There are SOOOOO many precincts still not counted. It ain't over yet, folks.

Even Ohio isn't actually done counting. Wouldn't it be funny if ... ;)
 
2008-03-05 12:14:32 AM  
The US Postal Service has issued a recall of a stamp they created with a picture of Hillary Clinton to honor her achievements while serving as the First Lady of our nation. The problem was discovered when claims had been made that the stamp was not sticking to envelopes, and that mail which had been sent using the "Hillary" postage was not being delivered. Senator Clinton demanded a full investigation into the allegations. A special Postal Service Investigation team was formed and after several months and many dollars spent, made the following findings:
1.The stamp was manufactured properly.
2.There was nothing wrong with the adhesive.
3. People were just spitting on the wrong side
 
2008-03-05 12:14:36 AM  

About to imbibe in my beverage of choice.

www.evanwilliams.com
 
2008-03-05 12:14:38 AM  
mddawso: Hillary is up in Texas by 2% on cnn's count.

I bet republicans were voting for Hillary to prolong the race.


I think they actually were the difference. Rush succeeded. Ridiculous.

quisqueyano: S Dakota -- Haven't a clue

Obama easily.
 
2008-03-05 12:14:40 AM  
I should have bought more beer tonight.
 
2008-03-05 12:14:55 AM  
quisqueyano: All right, so what's left it this plays out all the way?
Here's my gut calls (haven't checked polls, just going on gut)
North Carolina -- Obama
Mississippi -- Obama
Pennsylvania -- Edge: Clinton
Indiana -- Obama
S Dakota -- Haven't a clueObama
Kentucky -- Edge: Obama
Oregon -- Obama

Agree? Disagree?


Now I agree
 
2008-03-05 12:14:56 AM  

images.jupiterimages.com

 
2008-03-05 12:15:32 AM  
Pew Research on Obama Lead Problems (new window)

I still stand by my opinion.

If Clinton wins the nom, the Obama voters either vote Democrat, stay home, or go 3rd party.

If Obama wins the nom, the Clinton voters are going to vote McCain.

Either way, Obama doesn't win the general election.

I have no idea who wins a Clinton v. McCain battle, btw.
 
2008-03-05 12:15:36 AM  
Pretty amazing there are 4 threads for this. This political season is pretty amazing.
 
2008-03-05 12:15:55 AM  
ValisIV: If the story about the 50 delegates getting ready to endorse Obama is true, he'll steal her media coverage, too.

I really can't see many Obama delegates jumping ship to the Clinton campaign. However, I can see people ditching Clinton after her gutter politics get old. Which takes about 10 minutes of listening to Bill's chicanery.
 
2008-03-05 12:16:03 AM  
Darth_Lukecash: This post is filled with a rather large amount of fail.

Much like stock portfolios, or any such investment..it is very, VERY important not to put your eggs in one baskets economic wise. If one fails, then the other can help keep the economies running.


So you're saying our economy currently isn't diverse enough? Yeah, you got it.

Counterfail.
 
2008-03-05 12:16:04 AM  
I also want to add that I utterly hate CNN's coverage of this election, but their map is cooler than hell.

/I wish they'd stop sucking off Hillary every chance they get
//it's creepy as she isn't supposed to have a penis
 
2008-03-05 12:16:08 AM  
i245.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-05 12:16:10 AM  
SpinStopper: There are SOOOOO many precincts still not counted. It ain't over yet, folks.

Even Ohio isn't actually done counting. Wouldn't it be funny if ... ;)


I doubt it will happen, but if it does, that would be a laugh riot.
 
2008-03-05 12:16:11 AM  
Shadow Blasko: Digeratus: Anyone know when the Texas caucus results start coming in?

June/July

(Seriously)


WHA? Olberman said "Friday".
 
2008-03-05 12:16:13 AM  
img182.imageshack.us
 
2008-03-05 12:16:23 AM  
scoughlin: you expected something different from the clinton news network?

holy shiat i haven't heard CNN called that in years.
 
2008-03-05 12:16:24 AM  
Well, it looks like my brother needs to switch parties to vote in North Carolina.

/is there anything about Ohio that doesn't suck
//Their football team certainly does
 
2008-03-05 12:16:29 AM  
And last I heard, -none- of the TX caucus numbers were in yet.
 
2008-03-05 12:16:30 AM  
robsul82: Explain.

They had a 'bootleg' memo from the Obama campaign laying out predictions for tonight and every state until Denver. The memo said they'd lose Ohio and Texas and RI and win Vermont (and pretty much exactly by what the margins are looking to be) and have been historically right in all the past primaries in the previous memos. The memo laid out their expectations for all the next states up to Denver and according to their estimates, the pledged delegate lead will still rest strongly with Obama by Denver.
 
2008-03-05 12:16:32 AM  
Okay. I guess I'll have to be the one to say it. Old people and those who live in rural areas shouldn't have the right to vote.

/Sadness is for POOR people
 
2008-03-05 12:16:43 AM  
Seems like the question here is "Can Houston (and to a lesser extent the rest of Austin and Dallas) beat San Antonio and El Paso?"
 
2008-03-05 12:16:46 AM  
DulceEtDecorumEst: 1.The stamp was manufactured properly.
2.There was nothing wrong with the adhesive.
3. People were just spitting on the wrong side


Do they make stamps you have to lick anymore?
 
2008-03-05 12:16:53 AM  
ThisIsNotSubtle: And last I heard, -none- of the TX caucus numbers were in yet.

Correct. The Texas numbers are entirely of the primary.
 
2008-03-05 12:16:59 AM  
Somewhere, Al Gore is snickering. Brockered convention, indeed.
 
2008-03-05 12:17:31 AM  
img508.imageshack.us
 
2008-03-05 12:17:44 AM  
Echoic: robsul82: Explain.

They had a 'bootleg' memo from the Obama campaign laying out predictions for tonight and every state until Denver. The memo said they'd lose Ohio and Texas and RI and win Vermont (and pretty much exactly by what the margins are looking to be) and have been historically right in all the past primaries in the previous memos. The memo laid out their expectations for all the next states up to Denver and according to their estimates, the pledged delegate lead will still rest strongly with Obama by Denver.


Ah, cool stuff.

Next, explain how a scary monster head put over Obama's head infers someone being "overrated" to that Farker who just got PS.
 
2008-03-05 12:17:45 AM  
Echoic: robsul82: Explain.

They had a 'bootleg' memo from the Obama campaign laying out predictions for tonight and every state until Denver. The memo said they'd lose Ohio and Texas and RI and win Vermont (and pretty much exactly by what the margins are looking to be) and have been historically right in all the past primaries in the previous memos. The memo laid out their expectations for all the next states up to Denver and according to their estimates, the pledged delegate lead will still rest strongly with Obama by Denver.


Their super tuesday memo actually undersold them - they did better than their internal numbers said.
 
2008-03-05 12:18:01 AM  
Palmer Eldritch:

I've never seen anything that went on to a fourth discussion thread before.

The only thing that I've ever seen like this were the California Wildfire threads. IIRC, they went to six, maybe even seven threads.

Come on, Texas...please, make us look better :)
 
2008-03-05 12:18:05 AM  
(Brokered convention, even.)

Also, here's a question: Do you think of the Dem. candidates are going to break the cardinal rule of not announcing a running mate before clinching?
 
2008-03-05 12:18:06 AM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2008-03-05 12:18:17 AM  
Digeratus: Anyone know when the Texas caucus results start coming in?

There are still parts of Texas that are actually still caucusing, so no clue here.
 
2008-03-05 12:18:20 AM  
This was probably asked three threads ago, but why does Texas have this nutty system of primaries AND caucuses? And how does deleate allocation work with it?

I've been watching for the last hour and it seems like it's been stuck at 50-CLinton and 48-Obama in Texas
 
2008-03-05 12:18:31 AM  
Tweets Pie: About to imbibe in my beverage of choice.

switch it JAck and I'll join you.
Not very pleased at the moment.
 
2008-03-05 12:18:46 AM  
What grieves me the most though is that if Clinton wins the nomination it will set back the Democratic Party and the United States for decades. We have seen millions of new voter registrations, millions of new voters, voting Democratic. Millions of people who had never voted before or hadn't voted for years started to believe in the political process again. New turnout records being set in nearly every single primary and caucus, many states doubling and even tripling normal. Where turnout was highest, Obama won and often won by landslides.

If Clinton does "win" the nomination using Rove/Bush tactics what do you think all of those millions will do? If Change is defeated and suppressed by trickery, dishonesty, and Old Politics, why should any of those millions stay engaged in politics. Some will, to be sure, but not many. I suspect that for most of those people who got excited about politics, started to believe that people could make a difference, if Clinton's Rove/Bush tactics prove triumphant, they will turn off and tune out. I doubt they will return any time soon.
 
2008-03-05 12:18:47 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2008-03-05 12:19:02 AM  
franjime: Pew Research on Obama Lead Problems (new window)

I still stand by my opinion.

If Clinton wins the nom, the Obama voters either vote Democrat, stay home, or go 3rd party.

If Obama wins the nom, the Clinton voters are going to vote McCain.

Either way, Obama doesn't win the general election.

I have no idea who wins a Clinton v. McCain battle, btw.


Problem is this: Hillary can win the nom only through deceit and tricky and dirty deeds. I mean, the maths dont add up in her favor. It will look like, and it will be like, she stole the nom -- she can't win it without some serious behind the scenes bullshiat.

Hillary would be a disaster. You think Bush farked things up? OMFG, Hillary's administration will be a complete clusterfark.
 
2008-03-05 12:19:02 AM  
Hillary was finishing up a day as Senator for New York when the Devil suddenly appeared in her office and made her an offer...
"I am here to offer you a deal," the Devil said. "I will give you unlimited wealth, even more power, and a media that will pander to your every whim.

In return, all I ask for is your soul, the souls of every member of your family, and the souls of all your constituents."

Hillary pondered for a moment and then asked, "Unlimited wealth and power?"

"Absolutely unlimited," the Devil asserted.

"A pandering media?" she asked.

"They'll fall over themselves to support you, no matter what you say or do," the Devil assured.

"And you want my soul, my family's souls, and the souls of my constituents?" she asked.

"Yes. All of them," the Devil answered.

Hillary was deep in thought for a moment, then finally spoke:

"So...what's the catch?"
 
2008-03-05 12:19:06 AM  
GreenPlastik: Also, here's a question: Do you think of the Dem. candidates are going to break the cardinal rule of not announcing a running mate before clinching?

Hell no. If someone backed the losing side it would effectively kill any future ambitions they had.
 
2008-03-05 12:19:06 AM  
i257.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-05 12:19:12 AM  
robsul82:
Next, explain how a scary monster head put over Obama's head infers someone being "overrated" to that Farker who just got PS.


Because black people are demons?
 
2008-03-05 12:19:15 AM  
Staying up past my bedtime in hopes I can see the polls figure out who won in Texas.. still have to retire soon though.

In the mean time everyone!
img401.imageshack.us
 
2008-03-05 12:19:28 AM  
img182.imageshack.us
 
2008-03-05 12:20:04 AM  
keck314:

Seems like the question here is "Can Houston (and to a lesser extent the rest of Austin and Dallas) beat San Antonio and El Paso?"


I sure hope we can...
 
2008-03-05 12:20:09 AM  
poohneat: i257.photobucket.com

No .. no we dont
 
2008-03-05 12:20:10 AM  
OBAMA!!!

PLEASE BUST OUT THAT LIST OF 50 SUPERDELEGATES TONIGHT!!!

STEAL HILLARY'S THUNDER!!!

PLEASE!!!
 
2008-03-05 12:20:15 AM  
Flying Lasagna Monster

That made me giggle.
 
2008-03-05 12:20:16 AM  
IAmAGodWarrior: USP .45:

10,000 workers with only an extra $10 in thewir pocket is 1 mil. (more than $10 = your math is terrible).

obviously you have no clue how economy works, and thats OK. in a couple of years, when youre a bit older, youll get it.

good talk, kiddo.


Really? Then I suggest you go whine to every economist that understands the following graph:

jerryslezak.net
 
2008-03-05 12:20:22 AM  
Chuck Todd on MSNBC. He's always good.
 
2008-03-05 12:20:22 AM  
I really hope this doesn't fark Obama up. He's run his entire campaign almost completely clean without having to attack anyone, play scare tactics, any of that shiat, and I really don't wanna see him pushed into playing smear politics to regain lost momentum against the Hillabeast.
 
2008-03-05 12:20:27 AM  
GreenPlastik: Somewhere, Al Gore is snickering. Brockered convention, indeed.

I don't understand what is meant by a brokered convention - is the idea that the difference in delegates will be smaller than the number John Edwards has? Otherwise, the "brokering" will just be how the superdelegates go, right?
 
2008-03-05 12:20:27 AM  
ginger_fretelli: Tweets Pie: About to imbibe in my beverage of choice.

switch it JAck and I'll join you.
Not very pleased at the moment.


Cheers on Jack!
 
2008-03-05 12:20:35 AM  
Ringshadow: Staying up past my bedtime in hopes I can see the polls figure out who won in Texas.. still have to retire soon though.

In the mean time everyone!

CORGIS!


Ringshadow, you rock. Seriously. Corgis make everything better.
 
2008-03-05 12:20:42 AM  
USP .45: Shaggy_C: Just saying that some people really are too dumb to be CEOs. Some are too dumb to really do anything we consider white-collar today. Rather than say 'well, they should work at McDonalds', I say they get into a trade where they BUILD things, and help our overall economy by making us not a country of consumers but one of makers too. But...Maybe you'd rather we continue to turn soft and weak and send all of our important industry abroad, security risk be damned. I mean, shiat man...if we go to war in a major way, what the hell are we going to do when we have to depend on China to make our tanks for us?

Pay American laborers inflated wages for the same product sold in America. Who's wallet does that hurt genius? The 10,000 workers with fabricated jobs, or the millions of Americans that pay to subsidize jobs that the market doesn't want? And how easy will it to be to export said product if its cost is inflated.

You fail at economics. This is freaking basic and you fail.

Oh, but the fraudulent national security rhetoric was a nice touch.

However, that point also fails because you fail to realize that China cannot continue to thrive economically and drive its middle class without the social reforms that they will inevitably demand.

When was the last time we went to war with a liberal democracy.

Give it up Shaggy, you're simply outclassed here.

I guess Supply Side Jesus didn't cover that in his sermons.

Patience. I'm sure you'll have your chance to gas the Christians someday.


You'd have a point if what you say has any relation to anything that happens in the real world. You laissez faire capitalists are no better than communists when it comes to realizing that your ideas look pretty on paper but utterly fail to take into account human nature. We lose manufacturing and other jobs that support the working class and middle class because we're not willing to enforce our standard on our trading partners and we DO get cheaper products to buy. . .at the cost of having proportionally even less to spend on them. Basically we reward other countries for having crappy labor practices.
 
2008-03-05 12:21:03 AM  
Someone tell Lou Dobbs he doesn't know WTF he's talking about when he says that Obama's delegate lead is "not insurmountable."
 
2008-03-05 12:21:06 AM  
Hillary will gain 5-9 Ohio; that's really not that many. Obama can easily make that up in the Texas caucuses.
 
2008-03-05 12:21:39 AM  
http://www.fightliberals.com/

Your Conservative Breed: Anti-government Gunslinger

You are an Anti-government Gunslinger, also known as a libertarian conservative. You believe in smaller government, states' rights, gun rights, and that, as Reagan once said, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"

---

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Your Liberal Breed: Peace Patroller

You are a Peace Patroller, also known as an anti-war liberal or neo-hippie. You believe in putting an end to American imperial conquest, stopping wars that have already been lost, and supporting our troops by bringing them home.

---

Hah, both those quizzes are pretty funny.
 
2008-03-05 12:21:46 AM  
Number41: GreenPlastik: Somewhere, Al Gore is snickering. Brockered convention, indeed.

I don't understand what is meant by a brokered convention - is the idea that the difference in delegates will be smaller than the number John Edwards has? Otherwise, the "brokering" will just be how the superdelegates go, right?


Correct. The term brokered convention is wrong. There is almost 0 chance of a brokered convention for the Dems.
 
2008-03-05 12:21:52 AM  
DamnYankees: Chuck Todd on MSNBC. He's always good.

Yeah, that crazy Chuck Todd, who believes in silly things like math, probability, and logic, refusing to get on the HILLARY COMEBACK OMGWTFBBQ!!!!11 train. Farking weirdo.
 
2008-03-05 12:21:58 AM  
USP .45: Darth_Lukecash: This post is filled with a rather large amount of fail.

Much like stock portfolios, or any such investment..it is very, VERY important not to put your eggs in one baskets economic wise. If one fails, then the other can help keep the economies running.

So you're saying our economy currently isn't diverse enough? Yeah, you got it.

Counterfail.


Because turing our economy into a predominantly service-based one while farming out the entire manufacturing base will never come back to haunt us.

FAIL.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:13 AM  
WOOOOHHHOOOO.....thread number 8 biatches!

Ross Perot for vice president....his motto was change also.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:14 AM  
popstop: This was probably asked three threads ago, but why does Texas have this nutty system of primaries AND caucuses? And how does deleate allocation work with it?

I've been watching for the last hour and it seems like it's been stuck at 50-CLinton and 48-Obama in Texas


It's funny, because one of the resolutions we introduced tonight was to do away with the caucus system in Texas. People cheered wildly at the thought.

The other was a resolution to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By a resolution. So...yeah. Texas is gonna sort that shiat out real quick.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:19 AM  
Wow. I almost never watch TV news any more.

But tonight I turned on CNN for some hot, sweaty speechifyin'.

CNN just played a "Tell the House of Representatives to pass the TERRORIST SURVEILLANCE BILL and KEEP US ALL SAFE!!!!11|one!NINE!ELEVENTY!!!!" ad that I sincerely thought was a parody, until I realized it was coming not from YouTube, but out of the TV during the news.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:27 AM  
DamnYankees: Hillary will gain 5-9 Ohio; that's really not that many. Obama can easily make that up in the Texas caucuses.

yeah, it might end up being closer than it looks. I like how npr is holding out on calling it.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:28 AM  
Chuck Todd saying its actually really likely Obama gains delegates tonight, even if he loses OH and TX primaries.

He has still *never* lost a delegate race on any individual day.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:31 AM  
Hey, USP .45, catch.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:31 AM  
DamnYankees: Pretty amazing there are 4 threads for this. This political season is pretty amazing.

Yeah, it's been very entertaining. I've thoroughly enjoyed it, especially the conversations I've been having within the family. You guys are pretty entertaining, as well.

It's easy for me to sit back and enjoy it because my guy is already in, and it's just a waiting game to see what the Dems are going to do with all this mess.

Do any of you think he should go Independent if he doesn't make the primary?
 
2008-03-05 12:22:43 AM  
Calvin Coolidge: Someone tell Lou Dobbs he doesn't know WTF he's talking about when he says that Obama's delegate lead is "not insurmountable."

He knows exactly what he's talking about. He's talking about the fact that a contested and ongoing Democratic primary means higher ratings. Note how everyone is daring Obama to go negative on her and saying that he has to "hit back" and that they are shushing anyone who reminds us of the fact that in the end, the party really can't go against the delegate leader (likely, Obama).
 
2008-03-05 12:22:47 AM  
Woo! Where's thread #5!
 
2008-03-05 12:22:49 AM  
ThisIsNotSubtle: Ringshadow: Staying up past my bedtime in hopes I can see the polls figure out who won in Texas.. still have to retire soon though.

In the mean time everyone!

CORGIS!

Ringshadow, you rock. Seriously. Corgis make everything better.


yes, that was funny.

But if i had the skill, I'd go an put Obama faces on all of the puppies. Or I'd take that scary thing on Obama's face and put them on all the puppies. Or Hillary's face and put them on all the puppies. Different captions.

Hillary's would have something to do with biatches though.
 
2008-03-05 12:22:54 AM  
franjime: If Obama wins the nom, the Clinton voters are going to vote McCain.

I tried to respond to this massive amount of Fail in the last thread, but I'll try again here.

Clinton voters are the Party-before-principle folks who will vote for whoever has a D next to their name when election day rolls around. Obama's supporters are primarily the independent thinkers and young voters who would rather vote for someone that best supports their ideology, or not vote at all, than they are to vote for someone they disagree with (if not outright hate).

Pissing off independents is how you lose elections, and Hillary has been pissing them off for almost 2 decades.
 
2008-03-05 12:23:33 AM  
USP .45: 10,000 workers with more money in their pockets doesn't offset the millions paying more for the inflated cost of product X, and the opportunity cost of failed trade overseas due to inflated cost. Math is your friend.

Labor is only a fraction of the cost of a product. Math IS your friend. Look at real world math. Look at what actually happens rather than your incomplete, poorly understood and ultimately discredited theories.
 
2008-03-05 12:23:36 AM  
Bhasayate: Hillary would be a disaster. You think Bush farked things up? OMFG, Hillary's administration will be a complete clusterfark.

Hillary could walk around stinking drunk all day and do better than Bush has done the last few years.

Having said that, I always thought the real brains of the Clinton pair was wearing the pantsuits anyway.
 
2008-03-05 12:23:37 AM  
You laissez faire capitalists are no better than communists when it comes to realizing that your ideas look pretty on paper but utterly fail to take into account human nature. We lose manufacturing and other jobs that support the working class and middle class because we're not willing to enforce our standard on our trading partners and we DO get cheaper products to buy. . .at the cost of having proportionally even less to spend on them. Basically we reward other countries for having crappy labor practices.

www.fallacyfiles.org
 
2008-03-05 12:23:46 AM  
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2008-03-05 12:23:51 AM  
Republicans might just have a chance!

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2008-03-05 12:24:26 AM  
So how does it feel to do Rush Limbaugh's bidding, Ohio?

Rush knows exactly what he's doing. Clinton will be a lot easier to beat in November.
 
2008-03-05 12:24:30 AM  
Texas Caucuses in:

Obama 56%
Clinton 43%

5% reporting
 
2008-03-05 12:24:31 AM  
Shadow Blasko: krunvisaurus: Shame on you Ohio!, shame on you!

Screw you Hippie. We delivered our County, and did it well.

Blame the rest of the state. We did our part


Nice try ass munch, at least my state, MD, delivered.

Is there any way your county can break away from the shiathole that is ohio and join our fair state?
 
2008-03-05 12:25:09 AM  
56-44 Obama, 5%, Texas Caucus, CNN
 
2008-03-05 12:25:15 AM  
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2008-03-05 12:25:19 AM  
CNN is starting to report Texas caucus results. Gobama.
 
2008-03-05 12:25:22 AM  
Wow, finally Joe Scarborough and Robertson are gone - the panel is now good.
 
2008-03-05 12:25:24 AM  
tomwilson: Hey, USP .45, catch.

Now apply that to China.
 
2008-03-05 12:25:42 AM  
popstop: This was probably asked three threads ago, but why does Texas have this nutty system of primaries AND caucuses? And how does deleate allocation work with it?

I've been watching for the last hour and it seems like it's been stuck at 50-CLinton and 48-Obama in Texas


Two thirds of delegates in TX are determined by the primary. One third comes from the result of the caucus. Different congressional districts have different numbers of delegates. Those numbers are based on the number of people who voted Dem in the last presidential election. Hence why the Austin/Travis country area has so many delegates.

As for why -- I have no farking clue.
 
2008-03-05 12:25:51 AM  
BuckTurgidson: Wow. I almost never watch TV news any more.

But tonight I turned on CNN for some hot, sweaty speechifyin'.

CNN just played a "Tell the House of Representatives to pass the TERRORIST SURVEILLANCE BILL and KEEP US ALL SAFE!!!!11|one!NINE!ELEVENTY!!!!" ad that I sincerely thought was a parody, until I realized it was coming not from YouTube, but out of the TV during the news.


Did you also notice that the picture is now in color?
 
2008-03-05 12:26:02 AM  
cmartine: Republicans might just have a chance!


She'd be loose to mccain? So is she that big, or is he that small?
 
2008-03-05 12:26:02 AM  
DELEGATES TO THE RESCUE =)

TX (C) 5%

Obama 56%
Clinton 44%

TX (P) 66%
Clinton 50%
Obama 48%
 
2008-03-05 12:26:09 AM  
Though for the record, I still think it very unlikely that Clinton will make a big enough comeback to get the nomination. Rush will do his best to help her though.
 
2008-03-05 12:26:27 AM  
Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?
 
2008-03-05 12:26:44 AM  
If it's close, or even if Obama loses Texas population-wise, he'll likely still get more delegates from Texas. This is because Texas weights delegates to regions that voted Democrat in the last general election. Since Hillary is relying, in part, on Hispanics and ditto-heads, she's getting poorly weighted votes relative to Obama.

But, the fact that she'll probably stay in until Pennsylvania or beyond due to the moral boost still sucks.
 
2008-03-05 12:27:08 AM  
franjime: Bhasayate: Hillary would be a disaster. You think Bush farked things up? OMFG, Hillary's administration will be a complete clusterfark.

Hillary could walk around stinking drunk all day and do better than Bush has done the last few years.

Having said that, I always thought the real brains of the Clinton pair was wearing the pantsuits anyway.


No, I doubt that. Not given the campaign she's running. And the resistance to her would be immense. And she'd not handle it well. She's spaz out and freak out and be a moran, of course of a different sort. She'd be a total control freak spazo. She'd get the "doesn't play well with others" award. Her mere presence in the White House would really be extremely problematic, I think.

And I'm just sick of Bushes and Clintons, too.
 
2008-03-05 12:27:18 AM  
i266.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-05 12:27:30 AM  
ThisIsNotSubtle: Two thirds of delegates in TX are determined by the primary. One third comes from the result of the caucus. Different congressional districts have different numbers of delegates. Those numbers are based on the number of people who voted Dem in the last presidential election. Hence why the Austin/Travis country area has so many delegates.

Vote early! Vote often!
 
2008-03-05 12:27:36 AM  
Texas - don't fail like Ohio.. please...
 
2008-03-05 12:28:01 AM  
The interesting thing about Obama is that he's selling his entire pointo of view on "change". Brilliant from a marketing perspective, yet hollow. Of course, most people want change. What they don't realize yet, if ever, is that the change that Obama wants, isn't necessarily the change that they would want.

"Do something; anything!" is a strategy of a failed thinker. "Anything" can quite often turn out to be something you don't agree with, even if you think you wanted someone to change something.


Learn the issues, educate yourself, and THEN vote. If you're too stupid/lazy to understand WHAT you are voting for, please seriosly consider not voting, because quite honestly, you aren't qualified to have an opinion.

No, really. Stay home unless you educate yourself.
 
2008-03-05 12:28:07 AM  
quisqueyano: All right, so what's left it this plays out all the way?
Here's my gut calls (haven't checked polls, just going on gut)
North Carolina -- Obama
Mississippi -- Obama
Pennsylvania -- Edge: Clinton
Indiana -- Obama
S Dakota -- Haven't a clue
Kentucky -- Edge: Obama
Oregon -- Obama

Agree? Disagree?


Wyoming, Montana, and Oregon: big-time Obama wins

Mississippi: pretty likely for Obama, but not by much, particularly if there is GOP tactical voting for Hillary.

Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, W.Va: Ties for Obama at best. Could lose all by 5%. Maybe he takes NC due to Research Triangle area? But, I think Virginia was the outlier in the mid-Atlantic. Lower education levels seem to be key, so expect Hillary to do a lot of the same things she did in Ohio.

South Dakota: in the middle of a bunch of Obama states. The wild card is that a *big* chunk of the Democratic vote in SD are Native Americans, both on and off reservation. Not sure how they will tend, but suspect Obama takes the state.

Guam? Puerto Rico? No idea at all.

No way Clinton gains more than a 25 point spread in pledged delegates from here, and the rest of the primary season could well be exactly 50/50, so Obama's margin now is his margin in Denver.

Gore, Edwards, and Richardson? It's your baby now....
 
2008-03-05 12:28:11 AM  
First Texas caucus results in...5% reporting, 56-44 Obama.
 
2008-03-05 12:28:11 AM  
1000 Hurts: At this point, my only fear is the perception that Obama lost tonight, when, in reality, he did everything he could, and will come out tomorrow with a substantial delegate lead. On that count, Hillary failed, miserably. However, looking at the front page of CNN, it sure doesn't look like that.

Obama worshiping media my ass
 
2008-03-05 12:28:13 AM  
patrick767: Though for the record, I still think it very unlikely that Clinton will make a big enough comeback to get the nomination. Rush will do his best to help her though.

Do you really think that Rush influenced many people to vote for Hillary? That's a farking joke man. Get off it.
 
2008-03-05 12:28:13 AM  
Gergen just said on CNN that if Obama wins the number states, the popular votes and the delegate count by the convention but the superdelegates give it to Hillary, there wont be riots a la Chicago in '68.

Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire
 
2008-03-05 12:28:21 AM  
ThisIsNotSubtle: Ringshadow, you rock. Seriously. Corgis make everything better.

GLEE!
Here you go.

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Positive waves, everyone. Positive waves.
 
2008-03-05 12:28:24 AM  
Dear Jerk: Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?

Probably in the 5% range.

Of course, having the most stressful job in the world isn't going to do him much good. But the old folks will feel good about him, and that's what's important.
 
2008-03-05 12:28:39 AM  
patrick767: ThisIsNotSubtle: Two thirds of delegates in TX are determined by the primary. One third comes from the result of the caucus. Different congressional districts have different numbers of delegates. Those numbers are based on the number of people who voted Dem in the last presidential election. Hence why the Austin/Travis country area has so many delegates.

Vote early! Vote often!


*snicker* And since Texas also has early voting -- yeah, that's been the theme.
 
2008-03-05 12:28:44 AM  
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2008-03-05 12:28:59 AM  
Psychohazard: If it's close, or even if Obama loses Texas population-wise, he'll likely still get more delegates from Texas. This is because Texas weights delegates to regions that voted Democrat in the last general election. Since Hillary is relying, in part, on Hispanics and ditto-heads, she's getting poorly weighted votes relative to Obama.

But, the fact that she'll probably stay in until Pennsylvania or beyond due to the moral boost still sucks.


That is seriously eff'd up. Like grading a class on a curve derived from the last class. Why don't we just burn the candidates at the stake to see if they are truly worthy?
 
2008-03-05 12:29:12 AM  
Ringshadow: Staying up past my bedtime in hopes I can see the polls figure out who won in Texas.. still have to retire soon though.

In the mean time everyone!


Yay! I loves me some corgis!
 
2008-03-05 12:29:19 AM  
d976: BuckTurgidson: Wow. I almost never watch TV news any more.

But tonight I turned on CNN for some hot, sweaty speechifyin'.

CNN just played a "Tell the House of Representatives to pass the TERRORIST SURVEILLANCE BILL and KEEP US ALL SAFE!!!!11|one!NINE!ELEVENTY!!!!" ad that I sincerely thought was a parody, until I realized it was coming not from YouTube, but out of the TV during the news.

Did you also notice that the picture is now in color?


It was just like being there in REAL LIFE! I had to jump out of the way during the car ad.

Then I did something rather rude all over Karen Hanretty's face.

/but she didn't seem to notice :(
 
2008-03-05 12:29:34 AM  
GreenPlastik: Gergen just said on CNN that if Obama wins the number states, the popular votes and the delegate count by the convention but the superdelegates give it to Hillary, there wont be riots a la Chicago in '68.

Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire


I'm not a democrat, but I'd go there and riot, probably. Stupid democrats -- IF they go an give Hillary the nom.
 
2008-03-05 12:29:44 AM  
cmartine, I believe its called "ideology"
 
2008-03-05 12:29:45 AM  
There's a small dark blue patch in West Texas on the CNN map for Loving county. I thought how did Obama win a county out there?

12 votes/ 7 for Obama and 5 for Hillary. 100% reporting.
 
2008-03-05 12:30:10 AM  
sjbiars: DELEGATES TO THE RESCUE =)

TX (C) 5%
Obama 56%
Clinton 44%

TX (P) 66%
Clinton 50%
Obama 48%


good news for everyone. This was going to be the night that could give Hillary a boost, but I'm glad to see that the margins are still well in Obama's favour, despite his winning streak being broken.

However, because she has won RI and Ohio and Texas being so close she's going to stay in the campaign for the long-haul...
 
2008-03-05 12:30:13 AM  
gilgamesh23: barcaboy: Obama will win Texas.

I agree. Once Dallas and Austin start coming in Clinton's 1-3 point lead will disappear in a heartbeat.


Don't forget the caucus vote too. The caucus I was at near Lakeway (outside Austin) was ridiculously pro-Obama. I think the motivation and excitement people in the Dem party for Obama is really pulling people out for that 2nd vote.

Also, if you look a precints not reported on CNN, you'll notice its mostly areas with strong Obama support. The turnout was phenominal where I was in Austin, the caucus had 2 rows of tables to sit at, they probably needed about 8-10.
 
2008-03-05 12:30:19 AM  
quisqueyano: All right, so what's left it this plays out all the way?
Here's my gut calls (haven't checked polls, just going on gut)
North Carolina -- Obama
Mississippi -- Obama
Pennsylvania -- Edge: Clinton
Indiana -- Obama
S Dakota -- Haven't a clue
Kentucky -- Edge: Obama
Oregon -- Obama

Agree? Disagree?


I think Kentucky will probably go to Clinton narrowly. I think S Dakota will probably be Obama. But I think you're right overall.
 
2008-03-05 12:30:20 AM  
Dear Jerk: Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?

50-50... his family appears to be a pretty long lived... but his father died at 70, his grandfather 61, and he is currently 71.
 
2008-03-05 12:30:20 AM  
GreenPlastik: Gergen just said on CNN that if Obama wins the number states, the popular votes and the delegate count by the convention but the superdelegates give it to Hillary, there wont be riots a la Chicago in '68.

Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire


There won't be riots. Just an Obama/Bloomberg ticket.
 
2008-03-05 12:30:34 AM  
USP .45: stupid picture attempting to suggest a logical fallacy the USP .45 clearly doesn't understand.

FTFY
 
2008-03-05 12:30:35 AM  
krunvisaurus: Is there any way your county can break away from the shiathole that is ohio and join our fair state?

Long as you change the Maryland Ren Faire from Fall to Spring so it does not overlap ours... sure.
 
2008-03-05 12:30:43 AM  
Dear Jerk: Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?

Social Security Actuarial Life Table (new window)

Average 71-year old (McCain's age when he would become President) has a life expectancy of 12+ years.
 
2008-03-05 12:31:00 AM  
There have been few if any candidates who have inspired so much hate...
thats why we have mega threads on this contest..
even our pets want to vote the clitclown away..
 
2008-03-05 12:31:28 AM  
Obama was doing horrible with latinos, now he seems to be doing ok. Anything that is not a beatdown in texas for obama is a win.

/And why is ohio always a political wildcard????
//He is holding his own, however h. clinton seems to be learning.
 
2008-03-05 12:31:32 AM  
pmccall: GreenPlastik: Gergen just said on CNN that if Obama wins the number states, the popular votes and the delegate count by the convention but the superdelegates give it to Hillary, there wont be riots a la Chicago in '68.

Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire

There won't be riots. Just an Obama/Bloomberg ticket.


But riots would be kind of entertaining.
 
2008-03-05 12:31:33 AM  
 
2008-03-05 12:31:36 AM  
Darth_Lukecash: I am sooo pissed right now. I was hoping Obama would have been able to get one of them...perhaps he'll still get Texas

He'll still get Texas. Mark my words.
 
2008-03-05 12:31:56 AM  
hillbillypharmacist: Dear Jerk: Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?

Probably in the 5% range.

Of course, having the most stressful job in the world isn't going to do him much good. But the old folks will feel good about him, and that's what's important.


Speaking of which, what happens when a candidate dies prior to election? Would Huckabee be made the candidate? McCain's VP? Whoever the GOP wants?
 
2008-03-05 12:32:11 AM  
franjime: Average 71-year old (McCain's age when he would become President) has a life expectancy of 12+ years.

How about if the guy has been tortured for 5 years and has been under incredible stress?
 
2008-03-05 12:32:25 AM  
IAmAGodWarrior: USP .45

maybe no one ever told you about how 'keeping the ,koney withing thew country helps the economy.' selling ourselves to china (which you obviously favor) got us here in the first place.

farking moron.


So let's apply your logic, O Fark economic advisor.

We would keep more money in the country by inflating the cost of our products by subsidizing a more costly domestic work force?

No, domestically produced products would be artificially more expensive, and people would have an incentive to buy foreign goods. Money leaves. Your logc fails. Life goes on.

We would keep more money in the country by ONLY spending domestically and inflating the cost of goods sold in the US?

No, eventually that system would collapse and/or people would demand to have the freedom to spend their money where they like.

/poor
 
2008-03-05 12:33:03 AM  
BuckTurgidson: Wow. I almost never watch TV news any more.

But tonight I turned on CNN for some hot, sweaty speechifyin'.

CNN just played a "Tell the House of Representatives to pass the TERRORIST SURVEILLANCE BILL and KEEP US ALL SAFE!!!!11|one!NINE!ELEVENTY!!!!" ad that I sincerely thought was a parody, until I realized it was coming not from YouTube, but out of the TV during the news.


heh... I got lucky and actually caught something interesting on C-Span as I was flipping through channels. US Representative Dana Rohrabacher from California was absolutely reaming the Bush administration on the floor of the House for a long pattern of stonewalling Congressional investigations, treating Congressmen with disdain and contempt, and being far too secretive.

The kicker is that Rohrabacher is a Republican.
 
2008-03-05 12:33:06 AM  
Code_Archeologist: Dear Jerk: Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?

50-50... his family appears to be a pretty long lived... but his father died at 70, his grandfather 61, and he is currently 71.


His mother's 347, though.
 
2008-03-05 12:33:16 AM  
DrMcNinja: Speaking of which, what happens when a candidate dies prior to election? Would Huckabee be made the candidate? McCain's VP? Whoever the GOP wants?

Dude, you're blowing my mind.

/I'm betting the VP, but the party heads might have to okay it
 
2008-03-05 12:33:19 AM  
It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.
 
2008-03-05 12:34:21 AM  
All I know is that when John McCain wakes up in the morning, he's surprised.

That shiat isn't right for a president.
 
2008-03-05 12:34:31 AM  
hillbillypharmacist: DrMcNinja: Speaking of which, what happens when a candidate dies prior to election? Would Huckabee be made the candidate? McCain's VP? Whoever the GOP wants?

Dude, you're blowing my mind.

/I'm betting the VP, but the party heads might have to okay it


Prior to the election? Or the convention? If its prior to the election, you have to vote on the ticket anyway. The VP would become pres, and he would have to appoint a new VP to be confirmed by the Senate.

I assume for the convention, it would become brokered.
 
2008-03-05 12:34:37 AM  
DrMcNinja: Speaking of which, what happens when a candidate dies prior to election? Would Huckabee be made the candidate? McCain's VP? Whoever the GOP wants?

Zombie Reagan 08!!
 
2008-03-05 12:34:53 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.


Losen up.
 
2008-03-05 12:34:58 AM  
I don't know if it's been said yet, but I think sometimes quoting Ichiro is the best thing to do.

"To tell the truth, I'm not excited to go to Cleveland, but we have to," Ichiro said through an interpreter. "If I ever saw myself saying I'm excited going to Cleveland, I'd punch myself in the face, because I'm lying."
 
2008-03-05 12:35:06 AM  
cmartine

Can't speak for my fellows, but I'm sure as hell not loyal to the democratic party.

/republican
//as far as registration goes, anyway
 
2008-03-05 12:35:11 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

I believe the word you're looking for is "morons".

/epic fail.
 
2008-03-05 12:35:12 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.


OMG! This is the internet, get the fark over it
 
2008-03-05 12:35:14 AM  
Code_Archeologist: Dear Jerk: Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?

50-50... his family appears to be a pretty long lived... but his father died at 70, his grandfather 61, and he is currently 71.


I thought that's what Huckabee was waiting around for. Or did he simply suspend like Romney?
 
2008-03-05 12:35:24 AM  
DrMcNinja: hillbillypharmacist: Dear Jerk: Is there an actuary in the house? What are the chances McCain will die of natural causes before the election?

Probably in the 5% range.

Of course, having the most stressful job in the world isn't going to do him much good. But the old folks will feel good about him, and that's what's important.

Speaking of which, what happens when a candidate dies prior to election? Would Huckabee be made the candidate? McCain's VP? Whoever the GOP wants?


Well, if it's before the convention, it goes to last man standing.

You know what that means.

Ron Paul Revolution!
 
2008-03-05 12:35:38 AM  
robsul82: His mother's 347, though.

Yeah, Methuselah's mother just refuses to farking die.
 
2008-03-05 12:35:39 AM  
robsul82: All I know is that when John McCain wakes up in the morning, he's surprised.

You will be going on my Wall O' Truthiness, sir. Well done.
 
2008-03-05 12:35:45 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.


Technical question: Is it wise to use the morans meme while being a grammar nazi?
 
2008-03-05 12:35:46 AM  
DamnYankees: franjime: Average 71-year old (McCain's age when he would become President) has a life expectancy of 12+ years.

How about if the guy has been tortured for 5 years and has been under incredible stress?


OK, make that 13+ years.

/Senator have free healthcare FTW!
 
2008-03-05 12:36:01 AM  
The opposite of Obama's "Change" message is Bush's "Stay the Course" BS where you keep following clearly failed policies because admitting you were wrong is unacceptable.
 
2008-03-05 12:36:37 AM  
daveydave: Do you really think that Rush influenced many people to vote for Hillary? That's a farking joke man. Get off it.

No. Actually I was just poking fun at the Ohio voters.
 
2008-03-05 12:36:39 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions oponions.


/pet peeve
 
2008-03-05 12:36:39 AM  
daveydave: Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.

Losen up.


Yeah, don't be such a literacy looser.
 
2008-03-05 12:36:49 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.


Your Farky tag is now "Grammar Nazi." You will be judged in any future thread accordingly.
 
2008-03-05 12:36:51 AM  
img126.imageshack.us


need to stay strong for obama
 
2008-03-05 12:36:58 AM  
I think m'man needed a little help tonight. Instead of another donation like I made after SC (for the first time in my life to any candidate - and, yes, I'm old enough to be hated by all you young Farkers) I bought me a snazzy new T-shirt from the Obama store!

I can already imagine its rich cottony goodness!

/hope it gets here soon enough to let me wear it before it's too hot!
 
2008-03-05 12:37:04 AM  
Ringshadow: Staying up past my bedtime in hopes I can see the polls figure out who won in Texas.. still have to retire soon though.

In the mean time everyone!


God bless you for that picture.

/want a corgi.
 
2008-03-05 12:37:08 AM  
Now that I have a total fark subscription, I'd like everyone to know that:

1. There are a lot of posts up there with no replies

2. There is a lot more porn stuff, and a lot more weener tags

3. There are a lot of funny stuffs up there on total fark

4. I'm kind of tired, so I haven't really had time to explore total farkitude yet

5. There is NO hate like Hillary hate
 
2008-03-05 12:37:23 AM  
Kinetocracy: People who can't can neither read nor write shouldn't oughtn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.
 
2008-03-05 12:37:28 AM  
tendervittles: I don't know if it's been said yet, but I think sometimes quoting Ichiro is the best thing to do.

Ichiro is one zen motherfarker.
 
2008-03-05 12:37:29 AM  
This just in, guys:

TX (C) 5%
Obama 4%
Clinton 6%
Cute pictures of Corgis 90%
 
2008-03-05 12:37:32 AM  
Jeebus, who is this asshat pro-hillary idiot on CNN?
 
2008-03-05 12:37:35 AM  
sjbiars: I believe the word you're looking for is "morons".

/epic fail.


You must be new here.
 
2008-03-05 12:37:39 AM  
oburt
OMG! This is the internet, get the fark over it SERIOUS BUSINESS

Fixed
 
2008-03-05 12:37:55 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

People who can't read or write shouldn't be allowed to express their (worthless) opinions.


You do realize that Shakespeare spelled even his own name in any number of ways. If you honestly think that form wins over function in something such as language which is merely the vehicle for communicating a certain set of verbal content, then I must disagree.
 
2008-03-05 12:38:33 AM  
sjbiars: Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

I believe the word you're looking for is "morons".

/epic fail.


Legendary fail!
 
2008-03-05 12:38:35 AM  
patrick767: sjbiars: I believe the word you're looking for is "morons".

/epic fail.

You must be new here.


LOT at teh noob
 
2008-03-05 12:38:46 AM  
Bhasayate: GreenPlastik: Gergen just said on CNN that if Obama wins the number states, the popular votes and the delegate count by the convention but the superdelegates give it to Hillary, there wont be riots a la Chicago in '68.

Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire

I'm not a democrat, but I'd go there and riot, probably. Stupid democrats -- IF they go an give Hillary the nom.


if this happens, this democrat in boston will riot here as well as where he's actually registered to vote.
 
2008-03-05 12:38:47 AM  
Texas Caucus results are starting to come in. Currently only 5% are in. They want you to give your name, email, and address, and then expressly acknowledge that these results are unofficial. It's retarded, so I'm gonna give you this link to go direct to the results as they show up:

http://precinctconventionresults.txdemocrats.org/election08district

In case anyone is wondering, running results from the primaries are available here:
Texas
Ohio
Vermont (from USA Today)

Rhode Island's results are ALL in. Clinton hit 58.3% in CD-1, so she picks up profit there. Thus we have the final results from Rhode Island, unless there is a HUGE change in provisionals, etc. Clinton 13, Obama 8.
 
2008-03-05 12:38:55 AM  
Bhasayate: Now that I have a total fark subscription, I'd like everyone to know that:

1. There are a lot of posts up there with no replies

2. There is a lot more porn stuff, and a lot more weener tags

3. There are a lot of funny stuffs up there on total fark

4. I'm kind of tired, so I haven't really had time to explore total farkitude yet

5. There is NO hate like Hillary hate


I'm not a TFer so I didn't get a kick so much out of your reply.
 
2008-03-05 12:39:09 AM  
sjbiars: Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

I believe the word you're looking for is "morons".

/epic fail.


I'm sure Kenitocracy knows that, s/he's using this meme:

fizisist.web.cern.ch

/Still think it's bad form to call that meme in a grammar nazi rant.
 
2008-03-05 12:39:22 AM  
pmccall: Technical question: Is it wise to use the morans meme while being a grammar nazi?

If you want to be ironic.

Oh crap, now the Irony Goons are going to be all over me.
 
2008-03-05 12:40:11 AM  
Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.


It's "lose", like your girlfriend to lesbianism.

It's "loose", like yo mamma.

Let's get this straight, folks.
 
2008-03-05 12:40:37 AM  
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2008-03-05 12:40:50 AM  
Kenitocracy voted for Clinton.
 
2008-03-05 12:41:07 AM  
Please start the next thread on foobies.com
 
2008-03-05 12:41:09 AM  
if obama wins i don't vote, if hillary wins, i vote mccain.
 
2008-03-05 12:41:12 AM  
chard: Bhasayate: GreenPlastik: Gergen just said on CNN that if Obama wins the number states, the popular votes and the delegate count by the convention but the superdelegates give it to Hillary, there wont be riots a la Chicago in '68.

Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire

I'm not a democrat, but I'd go there and riot, probably. Stupid democrats -- IF they go an give Hillary the nom.

if this happens, this democrat in boston will riot here as well as where he's actually registered to vote.


By "there" I meant where the DNC is being held. I'm registered independent, btw, in Indiana.
 
2008-03-05 12:41:24 AM  
Blues_X: Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.


It's "lose", like your girlfriend to lesbianism.

It's "loose", like yo mamma.

Let's get this straight, folks.


+1
 
2008-03-05 12:41:39 AM  
sjbiars: I believe the word you're looking for is "morons".

/epic fail.


I believe the word you are looking for is n00b.

Welcome to fark this ^is what is called a cliche'

/we were all n00bs once.
 
2008-03-05 12:41:48 AM  
Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: The opposite of Obama's "Change" message is Bush's "Stay the Course" BS where you keep following clearly failed policies because admitting you were wrong is unacceptable.

And the opposite of "hope" isn't "pragmatism" no matter what Hillary Clinton thinks.
 
2008-03-05 12:42:03 AM  
cmartine Obama voters are only loyal to Obama.

Damn skippy. Fifth presidential election here, and right now is the first time I've been a registered Democrat (I re-registered at the the caucus door to vote for Obama). Voted Perot. Voted Dole, because Clinton was a lying scumbag against a decent honorable man. I'll go back to Green or Libertarian if the Greens don't get ballot access this year. Deal with it.
 
2008-03-05 12:42:32 AM  
GreenPlastik: Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire

Not really. But Democrats could go Whig on us. Could end up with Green - 30%, Dem - 30%, Rep - 40% into the far future. Depending on how blatant they are about it and what actual numbers Obama has when they screw him.
 
2008-03-05 12:42:57 AM  
rga184:

Jeebus, who is this asshat pro-hillary idiot on CNN?

You're going to have to be more specific...
 
2008-03-05 12:42:59 AM  
DamnYankees 2008-03-05 12:32:11 AM
franjime: Average 71-year old (McCain's age when he would become President) has a life expectancy of 12+ years.

How about if the guy has been tortured for 5 years and has been under incredible stress?""


// that jus means he is too mean to die [yet]
being edgy, or angry, or just interested emotionally will increase a person's lifespan.
most folks age early because theyre too relaxed, go soft, stay soft, and soon lose interest in breathing..

the angrier he gets the longer he will live..
until he's nothing but vinegar crystals.

Beware the vinegar voters!
 
2008-03-05 12:43:04 AM  
USP .45 - good point. I'm enough of a closet optimist, though, that I think it COULD happen, even someplace like that... It'd certainly be in their best interests, long term.
 
2008-03-05 12:43:10 AM  
3ntropy: if obama wins i don't vote, if hillary wins, i vote mccain.

OMG!!! RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!!
 
2008-03-05 12:43:58 AM  
The Ohio margin is down to 12.
 
2008-03-05 12:44:18 AM  
3ntropy: if obama wins i don't vote, if hillary wins, i vote mccain.

There aren't enough of you. Most will stay home.
 
2008-03-05 12:44:34 AM  
March_Hare: This just in, guys:

TX (C) 5%
Obama 4%
Clinton 6%
Cute pictures of Corgis 90%


Which just goes to show that we can all agree on one thing.
images.icanhascheezburger.com

/Yeah, cheap excuse to post a picture of my dog.
 
2008-03-05 12:44:34 AM  
Ohio's link is weird and got chucked out by the server. Here's another try: Ohio

/I really like Drew Carey and I'd love to see the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.
 
2008-03-05 12:44:36 AM  
pmccall: sjbiars: Kinetocracy: It's lose not loose you illiterate morans.

I believe the word you're looking for is "morons".

/epic fail.

I'm sure Kenitocracy knows that, s/he's using this meme:

/Still think it's bad form to call that meme in a grammar nazi rant.


unless you're using the "moran" meme to evoke the "pet peev" meme in your grammar nazi post.

/the internet is a confusing place
 
2008-03-05 12:44:36 AM  
arkansas: GreenPlastik: Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire

Not really. But Democrats could go Whig on us. Could end up with Green - 30%, Dem - 30%, Rep - 40% into the far future. Depending on how blatant they are about it and what actual numbers Obama has when they screw him.


I for one believe we should bring the Whig party back.
 
2008-03-05 12:44:51 AM  
What I want to know is... what the fark is wrong with people from Ohio and RI. I don't understand what it is they like about Clinton?

Actually I'm perpetually confused by anyone who supports her.
 
2008-03-05 12:45:26 AM  
Anyone care to comment on how in the hell CNN is reporting caucus results for Texas? Just got back from caucusing (if anyone asks you to chair a convention, say NO), and our results aren't even due at party headquarters until Friday.

/suburban Houston
// 73% Obama, 27% Clinton
 
2008-03-05 12:45:45 AM  
My Mom is caucusing in Harris county and they haven't started yet!!! She said it's crazy.

Pissed. Pissed all the way around!!
 
2008-03-05 12:45:49 AM  
3ntropy: if obama wins i don't vote, if hillary wins, i vote mccain.

Ugh. As awful as Hillary is, McCain is even worse. If it really comes down to those two (which is a long shot), it'll be worse than Kerry/Bush in terms of no one wanting either.
 
2008-03-05 12:46:11 AM  
57453, and increasing. Despite the impression you may get on Fark, a lot of people like the Clintons and think that Hillary will do a fine job. It's not over yet.
 
2008-03-05 12:46:23 AM  
Shadow Blasko: krunvisaurus: Is there any way your county can break away from the shiathole that is ohio and join our fair state?

Long as you change the Maryland Ren Faire from Fall to Spring so it does not overlap ours... sure.


Deal.

Being a cold bitter dirty hippy, at this moment, I have put on my fuzzy green sweater, have contemplated my harsh words, to my fellow Obamaniac, and I offer you a small apology, sorry, I think he will still make it though, my brother...

and as soon as he does, President Obama's first order of business should be to Nuke Ohio from orbit, just saying....

you'll be safe,

your county will be with the good guys...

Piece
 
2008-03-05 12:46:27 AM  
Daddakamabb: I for one believe we should bring the Whig party back.

Only if we bring back shoes with buckles and blunderbusses too.
 
2008-03-05 12:46:50 AM  
ManPanties!: need to stay strong for obama

And donate.
The best thing to do to spite Clintonites is to donate to Obama when ever Hillary wins, when ever they spread some stupid meme (like the Obama's a muslim), when ever they campaign on fear, when ever they sling mud (like the Rezko crap), when ever they do anything that would normally dispirit and discourage supporters of Obama... donate $5.01 to his campaign.

Spite them with his fund raising.
Spite them with our energy.
Spite them with our resilience.

And as they gnash their teeth in rage over our ebullience for Obama, simply smile at their cynical condemnations and say, "Yes, we can."
 
2008-03-05 12:46:53 AM  
RminusQ: Ohio's link is weird and got chucked out by the server. Here's another try: Ohio

/I really like Drew Carey and I'd love to see the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame.


get we get back to texas?

/nothing, obscure, fark
 
2008-03-05 12:47:01 AM  
I must sleep, but before I do, I will contribute one kitty.

img106.imageshack.us

Because I am glad my corgi pictures are appreciated.
 
2008-03-05 12:47:04 AM  
GreenPlastik: Gergen just said on CNN that if Obama wins the number states, the popular votes and the delegate count by the convention but the superdelegates give it to Hillary, there wont be riots a la Chicago in '68.

Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire


If Hillary figures out a way to win by seating her Michigan delegates when Obama wasn't even on the ballot, I'll be totally in favor of Detroit rioting. Hell, I'll donate to a fund to charter buses for Detroit residents to make their feelings known in Denver.
 
2008-03-05 12:47:10 AM  
arkansas: GreenPlastik: Who is he kidding? It wouldn't be riots. It would hell-fire

Not really. But Democrats could go Whig on us. Could end up with Green - 30%, Dem - 30%, Rep - 40% into the far future. Depending on how blatant they are about it and what actual numbers Obama has when they screw him.


This would be good for America.
 
2008-03-05 12:47:12 AM  
haha hillary took texas
 
2008-03-05 12:47:29 AM  
BALLS!

Texas primary to Clinton
 
2008-03-05 12:47:34 AM  
ejwaxx: Anyone care to comment on how in the hell CNN is reporting caucus results for Texas? Just got back from caucusing (if anyone asks you to chair a convention, say NO), and our results aren't even due at party headquarters until Friday.

/suburban Houston
// 73% Obama, 27% Clinton


Because they feel right and natural about lying to America.
 
2008-03-05 12:47:39 AM  
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2008-03-05 12:47:39 AM  
Just because I'm a history nerd, I favor the creation of an independent 3rd party to challenge the Democratic party. Out of the ashes of the failed conventin of 2008 I give you....

Whig II

The scenario plays out like this: Hillary gets the nom, but the party is now deeply divided along ethnic/generational lines, and McCain wins the election easily. Obama goes back to his law practice senate seat in disillusionment and is drafted in 2012, goes on to become our greatest president.
 
2008-03-05 12:47:43 AM  
MSNBC calls Texas for Clinton.
 
2008-03-05 12:47:46 AM  
Ok, so I'm one of those crazy people that sees this primary as a way to energize the Democratic party. I do prefer Obama by a mile and I really can barely stand Hillary.

Here's my question: I think it's fairly obvious that Obama fans hate Hillary and feel emotionally upset when she wins. Is the same true for Hillary supporters? When Obama wins, do you feel a small part of you get crushed in a way that makes you feel upset with the political process and the media?
 
2008-03-05 12:47:46 AM  
MSNBC calls TX for HILL????? WHAT?
 
2008-03-05 12:47:48 AM  
Clinton wins Tejas. MSNBC calls.
 
2008-03-05 12:47:50 AM  
erm, fox news is calling texas for hillary, my bad
 
2008-03-05 12:48:02 AM  
MSNBC projects Hillary as being the winner in Texas!

Clintowned!
 
2008-03-05 12:48:07 AM  
ejwaxx: Anyone care to comment on how in the hell CNN is reporting caucus results for Texas?

Anyone care to comment on how Larry King just said something like, "Let's fantasize here. Is it possible that they'll just pick Al Gore to be the nominee?"

I keep trying to respect that guy and network, but then I don't.
 
2008-03-05 12:48:09 AM  
TX-Law: Daddakamabb: I for one believe we should bring the Whig party back.

Only if we bring back shoes with buckles and blunderbusses too.


The left?
 
2008-03-05 12:48:11 AM  
Say hello to President McCain.
 
2008-03-05 12:48:29 AM  
CNN just called TX
Ha ha
/Go McCain
 
2008-03-05 12:48:54 AM  
BLAST!
 
2008-03-05 12:49:14 AM  
All Apologies: Despite the impression you may get on Fark, a lot of people like the Clintons and think that Hillary will do a fine job.

It isn't just on fark... it's everyone I've spoken with from just about all walks of life. I have met a couple of people who were planning on voting for her, but not because they like her, but because they didn't want to vote for a black guy. Yeah, I realize how shiatty that is from various angles. But seriously, I haven't talked with a single person who has said, "I think she would make the best President for our country".

I'm not saying those people don't exist, I just don't find them... anywhere.
 
2008-03-05 12:49:14 AM  
Daddakamabb: TX-Law: Daddakamabb: I for one believe we should bring the Whig party back.

Only if we bring back shoes with buckles and blunderbusses too.

The left?


They*
 
2008-03-05 12:49:16 AM  
Oh, man, I hope Obama takes Texas. I actually think Hillary has all the right stuff to be Prez, but she's so polarizing that I don't think she can beat McCain -- she's never going to get the conservative swing voters. And let's face it, Obama is a rock star -- there hasn't been a candidate since Kennedy that's been so exciting.

And the real bummer is now that it's a close race it's going to be a total clusterfark with the party, and no candidate will truly have a "mandate."

All my dreams of a new optimistic political era ended tonight, sigh.

/that's all. Thanks for not reading this, I didn't read anything you posted either.
 
2008-03-05 12:49:17 AM  
Goddamn, Texas.
 
2008-03-05 12:49:21 AM  
vegaswench: CNN just called TX
Ha ha
/Go McCain


Dammit, it's MSNBC...the SO changed the channel on me. Oops, sorry.
 
2008-03-05 12:49:44 AM  
The CL Poster: haha hillary took texas

Going to suck for her when she loses Texas on delegates.
 
2008-03-05 12:49:47 AM  
The Obama strongholds in Texas are still not fully reported, one is at 70ish, the rest in the mid 50's, he still has a good shot at eeking out the primary, and either way, he's going to win the delegate count there. GO8ama!
 
2008-03-05 12:49:50 AM  
narmer65: My Mom is caucusing in Harris county and they haven't started yet!!! She said it's crazy.

Pissed. Pissed all the way around!!


I would be pissed too. We got to the caucus around 7, was there for 3 and a half hours. I overheard several of the Obama reps talking about problems with caucuses all over Houston. I think it's mainly that most Texans Democrats have never even participated in our admittedly farked up system.

I hope your mom brought something to read, might be a long night for her.
 
2008-03-05 12:49:58 AM  
Like I needed another reason to hate Texas....
 
2008-03-05 12:50:14 AM  
Current Primary returns from Texas
link

Obama 1,057,302 47.45% 61 Delegates
Clinton 1,128,405 50.64% 65 Delegates

CNN is calling it for Clinton
 
2008-03-05 12:50:23 AM  
Hillary wins Texas.

Hail to the new Chief, President McCain.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:25 AM  
ValisIV: The Obama strongholds in Texas are still not fully reported, one is at 70ish, the rest in the mid 50's, he still has a good shot at eeking out the primary, and either way, he's going to win the delegate count there. GO8ama!

I thought Democrats were all about the popular vote?
 
2008-03-05 12:50:25 AM  
Aw hell.

I did my part, people, I swear. *sigh* Maybe the gone-to-bed people have the right idea.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:25 AM  
Lawnchair: e

If Hillary figures out a way to win by seating her Michigan delegates when Obama wasn't even on the ballot, I'll be totally in favor of Detroit rioting. Hell, I'll donate to a fund to charter buses for Detroit residents to make their feelings known in Denver.


I think what happens is a Michigan and Florida do-over. They have to seat SOMEONE from those states at the convention.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:26 AM  
despite the fact that it's going to open up an even bigger gap for Obama at the end of it all (thanks to texas' caucuses), she technically won 3/4 which will be enough for her to stick around until the bitter end.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:31 AM  
Obscure: Oh, man, I hope Obama takes Texas. I actually think Hillary has all the right stuff to be Prez, but she's so polarizing that I don't think she can beat McCain -- she's never going to get the conservative swing voters. And let's face it, Obama is a rock star -- there hasn't been a candidate since Kennedy that's been so exciting.

And the real bummer is now that it's a close race it's going to be a total clusterfark with the party, and no candidate will truly have a "mandate."

All my dreams of a new optimistic political era ended tonight, sigh.

/that's all. Thanks for not reading this, I didn't read anything you posted either.


I think we basically just cross-posted the same sentiment. Sad thing. Just watch the youth vote and the minority vote dry right on up if Hillary wins the nomination.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:31 AM  
CNN calls Texas for Hillary.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:36 AM  
Damn...
 
2008-03-05 12:50:37 AM  
vegaswench: Dammit, it's MSNBC...the SO changed the channel on me. Oops, sorry.

CNN just called it for Clinton too.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:39 AM  
Obscure: All my dreams of a new optimistic political era ended tonight, sigh.

this.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:42 AM  
JohnnyC: What I want to know is... what the fark is wrong with people from Ohio and RI. I don't understand what it is they like about Clinton?

Rhode Island government is completely farked up. I don't think anyone is surprised that our primary would be up shiat creek as well...
 
2008-03-05 12:50:44 AM  
LOLWUT

The major cites don't have all their votes in yet lol.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:48 AM  
Ha, never mind...CNN just declared TX for Clinton. I was right the first time. Stupid remote control.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:48 AM  
CNN just called Texas for Clinton
 
2008-03-05 12:50:52 AM  
Lawnchair: quisqueyano: All right, so what's left it this plays out all the way?
Here's my gut calls (haven't checked polls, just going on gut)
North Carolina -- Obama
Mississippi -- Obama
Pennsylvania -- Edge: Clinton
Indiana -- Obama
S Dakota -- Haven't a clue
Kentucky -- Edge: Obama
Oregon -- Obama

Agree? Disagree?

Wyoming, Montana, and Oregon: big-time Obama wins

Mississippi: pretty likely for Obama, but not by much, particularly if there is GOP tactical voting for Hillary.

Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, W.Va: Ties for Obama at best. Could lose all by 5%. Maybe he takes NC due to Research Triangle area? But, I think Virginia was the outlier in the mid-Atlantic. Lower education levels seem to be key, so expect Hillary to do a lot of the same things she did in Ohio.

South Dakota: in the middle of a bunch of Obama states. The wild card is that a *big* chunk of the Democratic vote in SD are Native Americans, both on and off reservation. Not sure how they will tend, but suspect Obama takes the state.

Guam? Puerto Rico? No idea at all.

No way Clinton gains more than a 25 point spread in pledged delegates from here, and the rest of the primary season could well be exactly 50/50, so Obama's margin now is his margin in Denver.

Gore, Edwards, and Richardson? It's your baby now....


-----------------------------------------

North Carolina is a very solid win for Obama. Smack dab between SC and VA, which both went heavily his way. Large black population, especially in rural areas where Hillary would normally do well.

South Dakota, Obama solid. Midwest, his strength.

Kentucky, Clinton. It touches Ohio and therefore smells like Ohio's cooch.

Indiana, very close. Also touches Ohio, but also touches Illinois. Will be close. Fair amount of redneckery in the east near Ohio.

West Virginia, Clinton. Armpit of Ohio. Smells like Ohio's ass, and sleeps with its cousin Kentucky. We Virginians are glad they broke off.

Wyoming, Montana, and Oregon: Obama

Mississippi, Obama. Will follow the Alabama model, large black population, mostly rural. Still smells like smoke from burning crosses and church bombings, so the Klan factor may play in.
 
2008-03-05 12:50:54 AM  
Lawnchair: Alright... here's the question for the Democratic Party. This race has split the party almost exactly in half. The question is, do you want the half that is primarily people born before 1960? Or do you want the half born after 1960? Consider what that means in 2012. In 2016. In 2020. Also, consider how many life-long Democrats become Republicans right about the time they get their AARP card. Think about it. Come up with a good answer before Denver.

Not to let facts get in the way of good storytelling, but one of the big democratic strongholds is in the retired population. Democrats are the ones promising to keep Social Security up and running, Medicare, all of that good stuff.

What do we do in 2016, assuming Obama wins both the nomination and the general election, when we don't have a super-duper charismatic candidate? Your assumption is that the younger generation is going to stick with the party in a post-Obama world. Hell, your assumption is that they keep voting in a post-Obama world.

If I'm wrong, and this groundswell of younger voters is a new wave in politics, it won't matter. If the 18-24 age group is going to be involved, it can't just be "I like Obama", it has to be "I want to actually influence the national debate on a going-forward basis".

If you're right, that these are a new contingent of the Democratic Party, they'll rally behind whichever candidate gets the nomination. If I'm right, if Obama doesn't get it, they'll go back to the xbox and not care. If the former, they're real Democrats, and real citizens; if the latter, they're members of a cult of personality, and don't really care about the democratic issues.

/is in the age group in question
//also from Denver
 
2008-03-05 12:50:56 AM  
One of the most interesting exit poll statistics tonight is that for the first time in this race, Hillary has won last-minute voters by an overwhelming margin.

At the same time, exit poll respondents said by a wide margin they hate negative campaigning.

What does this mean? Once again, negative campaigning has worked no matter how much we say we hate it.

In this case, it was the red phone commercial.

In the past, it was the Willie Horton ad, or the Swift Boat attack.

Even though all four became despised as examples of dirty campaigning in the history books, in the moment all three won elections.

Food for thought....
 
2008-03-05 12:51:01 AM  
Add Texas to the nuke list

Bush, and now this?
 
2008-03-05 12:51:01 AM  
MSNBC.com has a big graphic up on the front page. Doesn't bother to show that Obama won Vermont. Old news?
 
2008-03-05 12:51:04 AM  
I would just like to say that my pre-election predictions are pretty much dead on.
 
2008-03-05 12:51:18 AM  
I wouldn't be surprised if this call doesn't come and bite them in the ass this morning. Too many people are too anxious to go get drunk. Olbermann, I'm looking at you.
 
2008-03-05 12:51:32 AM  
Foaming: vegaswench: Dammit, it's MSNBC...the SO changed the channel on me. Oops, sorry.

CNN just called it for Clinton too.


Thank you
 
2008-03-05 12:51:39 AM  
Flatulent_Flea: Obscure: All my dreams of a new optimistic political era ended tonight, sigh.

this.


Don't give up.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:10 AM  
JohnnyC: All Apologies: Despite the impression you may get on Fark, a lot of people like the Clintons and think that Hillary will do a fine job.

It isn't just on fark... it's everyone I've spoken with from just about all walks of life. I have met a couple of people who were planning on voting for her, but not because they like her, but because they didn't want to vote for a black guy. Yeah, I realize how shiatty that is from various angles. But seriously, I haven't talked with a single person who has said, "I think she would make the best President for our country".

I'm not saying those people don't exist, I just don't find them... anywhere.


I don't know if you've noticed or not, but the states Hillary has won are by far, the largest states.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:11 AM  
TEXAS = FAIL

/sigh
 
2008-03-05 12:52:15 AM  
First Gygax, now this.

A day that will either live in infamy, if that's the right word.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:21 AM  
doyner: Like I needed another reason to hate Texas....

If the results don't change she'll only close the gap by 4 delegates. It could be much worse.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:26 AM  
This is the worst day ever.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:29 AM  
Lawnchair
...Voted Dole, because Clinton was a lying scumbag against a decent honorable man.

Dole's legacy is 'hatchet man.' I sat at Bill Roy's kitchen table and talked with him about it.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:36 AM  
And since everyone else is posting this thing, here is what I scored (Yes I got both, mostly because I did 2 answers to one or two questions because I agreed with both answers):

1. Reality-Based Intellectualists, also known as the liberal elite-are proud members of what's known as the reality-based community, where science, reason, and non-Jesus-based thought reign supreme.

2. You are a Social Justice Crusader, also known as a rights activist. You believe in equality, fairness, and preventing neo-Confederate conservative troglodytes from rolling back fifty years of civil rights gains.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:44 AM  
If it comes down to it, I suppose a McCain Presidency with a strong Democratic majority in Congress will be ok. Hope it doesn't come down to that though.
 
2008-03-05 12:52:51 AM  
Flatulent_Flea: Obscure: All my dreams of a new optimistic political era ended tonight, sigh.

this.


QFT
 
2008-03-05 12:52:52 AM  
fark
 
2008-03-05 12:52:54 AM  
So, whats the chance that the super delegates elect Hillary over Obama?
 
2008-03-05 12:53:01 AM  
GOD DAMMIT TEXAS.

GOD DAMMIT.

Say goodbye, Democrats, to a voter if you nominate Hillary. I'll be sitting it out. Trust me. Or I'll write myself in.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:12 AM  
oburt: doyner: Like I needed another reason to hate Texas....

If the results don't change she'll only close the gap by 4 delegates. It could be much worse.


And if he wins the caucuses he could still "win" Texas.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:29 AM  
Sen. Hillary Clinton wins the Texas primary, CNN projects; Texas caucus results yet to come.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:31 AM  
robsul82: BLAST!

It's the delegates that count. She's farked herself something good. He might beat her on net delegates and these were her farking firewall states.

The uninformed and incorrect public perception of what is happening tonight could shift the momentum back to Obama as the underdog candidate, from where he fights better anyway. He will still have the benefits of winning delegates with the better positioning to attack Hillary as the Establishment candidate and then McCain as well.

It's possible that Hillary could pull this off, but I doubt it.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:32 AM  
robsul82: BLAST!

Maybe. Networks don't decide, they just predict, and it's too close to call. There's a 3% margin in the primary votes right now, with the urban (Obama) areas still being counted.

For the Caucuses, no significant returns yet.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:36 AM  
My call for texas from yesterday:

Tomorrow is going to split 50/50. The race will continue to Pennsylavania, which she wins. Then it's a play to the Superdelegates - 'look at the momentum going into the convention - who cares that Obama won a bunch of states in February, he's on the way out now and I'm up-and-coming'. And the people will love her for it. And we'll biatch and moan because it seems unfair but that's the rules. Link (new window)

Looking like it might actually happen :(
 
2008-03-05 12:53:39 AM  
F*ck. The reasons keep piling up for me to move to northern Virginia.

Is the VA-Law handle available?
 
2008-03-05 12:53:41 AM  
The_Pink_Pimp: CNN just called Texas for Clinton

I believe that the networks are calling the PRIMARY for Hillary, but not yet the caucus or overall results. Eh?
 
2008-03-05 12:53:42 AM  
Since the delegates are distributed proportionately, is being the "winner" even relevant?
 
2008-03-05 12:53:49 AM  
The Caucus still gives out 60 or so votes...

Apparently many Obama ppl were going to both the primary and the caucus and the Clinton people were just going home... Guess that's what happens when you need your nap and prune juice.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:52 AM  
AgentONeal: GOD DAMMIT TEXAS.

Only 5% of the caucuses are reporting and Obama has the lead with 54%.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:55 AM  
Welp... looks like Hilldawg is gonna scrape by with a win in Texas. Obama could completely dominate in the caucuses (although there's a lot of whispers about shenigans afoot), but the media will completely ignore that.

It sucks, but the Obama campaign has to realize they weren't playing a fair game from the start. It's time to go on the attack once again. Not just attacking her, but "attack" in the sense of regaining traction in the eyes of the media. Apparently, going on SNL and TDS are major moves- time to do it. If Brokaw's right about this 50 superdelegates ready to commit, announce it in the most media-friendly way possible.

Get those damn tax returns out in the public like they should be. Hillary's biggest liability is herself- time to fully play this card in advertisements. Obama could win every primary left except Pennsylvania, and the MSM will still consider this thing "neck and neck." It's time to attack, attack, attack.
 
2008-03-05 12:53:58 AM  
Jamal Simmons on CNN is about to re-enact a Chappelle's Show "Keepin' It Real" skit momentarily. He's about ready to go off on everyone.
 
2008-03-05 12:54:05 AM  
I think Gary Gygax's ghost knows what happened with the primary today...

i168.photobucket.com
 
2008-03-05 12:54:12 AM  
Good thing I have a Canadian passport.

The fallout is a lot less up north...

Good night
 
2008-03-05 12:54:27 AM  
Jon Snow: robsul82: BLAST!

It's the delegates that count. She's farked herself something good. He might beat her on net delegates and these were her farking firewall states.

The uninformed and incorrect public perception of what is happening tonight could shift the momentum back to Obama as the underdog candidate, from where he fights better anyway. He will still have the benefits of winning delegates with the better positioning to attack Hillary as the Establishment candidate and then McCain as well.

It's possible that Hillary could pull this off, but I doubt it.


BuckTurgidson: robsul82: BLAST!

Maybe. Networks don't decide, they just predict, and it's too close to call. There's a 3% margin in the primary votes right now, with the urban (Obama) areas still being counted.

For the Caucuses, no significant returns yet.


Eh, I just don't like how I've been seeing the coverage go the past couple days, that's all.
 
2008-03-05 12:54:38 AM  
Never Trust Robots: oburt: doyner: Like I needed another reason to hate Texas....

If the results don't change she'll only close the gap by 4 delegates. It could be much worse.

And if he wins the caucuses he could still "win" Texas.


wow. Thank god.
 
2008-03-05 12:54:49 AM  
ejwaxx: Anyone care to comment on how in the hell CNN is reporting caucus results for Texas? Just got back from caucusing (if anyone asks you to chair a convention, say NO), and our results aren't even due at party headquarters until Friday.

/suburban Houston
// 73% Obama, 27% Clinton


According to the link I posted at 12:38:47, All Precinct Convention Results are unofficial until certified by the Credentials committee at the County or Senatorial District Convention on March 29th. However, in response to overwhelming interest from the public and the press, the Texas Democratic Party developed a reporting system that will allow the Chair of each Precinct Convention to call in results as soon as their meeting adjourns.

/about 13% reporting now
//Obama 53.9%, Clinton 46.0%.
///Corresponds to Obama +5
 
2008-03-05 12:54:54 AM  
Daddakamabb: The Caucus still gives out 60 or so votes*...

Apparently many Obama ppl were going to both the primary and the caucus and the Clinton people were just going home... Guess that's what happens when you need your nap and prune juice.


*delegates not votes
 
2008-03-05 12:54:54 AM  
Bhasayate: Flatulent_Flea: Obscure: All my dreams of a new optimistic political era ended tonight, sigh.

this.

Don't give up.


Yep... no reason to give up.
This will be a delegate tie in the end, which favors Obama as the leader.
 
2008-03-05 12:54:59 AM  
Korzine: So, whats the chance that the super delegates elect Hillary over Obama?

Slim. Obama's still going to have a good lead on Hillary after today - heck, for delegates just today it's going to be really close. The doomsday talk in this thread isn't warranted.
 
2008-03-05 12:55:15 AM  
fark, fark, fark, fark, fark, fark, FARK.

This is annoying. He is going to win the most delgates tonight, but she'll get the headlines.

She can't win the general, or the nomination, and she'll bring the Democratic party's chances down in flames.
 
2008-03-05 12:55:31 AM  
I guess the Clinton campaign is smarter than I thought. Everyone really is buying their lowering the bar strategy
 
2008-03-05 12:55:34 AM  
Hillary can not beat McCain...

If Clinton gets it, EVERY single Republican will come out to vote against her. They hate her, like rabid dogs. Plus, a whole bunch of the left does not like her, nor wants to see Bill back in the White House. She can not beat McCain. Unless he was found with a dead boy or a live girl~

Obama on the other hand will not drag the right off their couches to vote against him. Plenty of them may/will choice to vote none of the above and stay home with their Budweiser Lite. Plus, he will not lose as many on the Left as she would. This gives him a serious edge over McCain.

Liberal, but voting for McCain if she gets it. NO MORE POLITICAL DYNASTIES IN THE WHITEHOUSE!!!1 =)'
 
2008-03-05 12:55:34 AM  
Clam Sandwich: Since the delegates are distributed proportionately, is being the "winner" even relevant?

It's an ego trip, that's all. Obama will likely come out with gains for the night despite relatively slim losses in Texas and Ohio.
 
2008-03-05 12:55:37 AM  
Outshined_One: Jamal Simmons on CNN is about to re-enact a Chappelle's Show "Keepin' It Real" skit momentarily. He's about ready to go off on everyone.

I would too if i was the only Obama supporter on a four man panel. With a smirking smileyface like Begala to endure, I'd lose my mind pretty quickly.
 
2008-03-05 12:55:46 AM  
the_cnidarian: AgentONeal: GOD DAMMIT TEXAS.

Only 5% of the caucuses are reporting and Obama has the lead with 54%.


Why are you trying to suppress the popular vote? ;)
 
2008-03-05 12:55:58 AM