But anyway, if you can't tell the difference between a good one and a bad one after spending some time with her, then that's your problem. You should be able to.

If it were that easy, these women would be perpetually single.

Empanada: Did that. It's mildly insulting that you'd think something that basic didn't occur to me....but you're just offering suggestions and trying to help, whatever.

I think most people in good relationships like to attribute it to their own experience and perceptiveness....when odds are they stumbled haplessly into it, and it's only by the grace of chance that they didn't end up chained to a soul-sucking monster for a significant portion of their youth.

I'd also like you to consider the possibility that these are legitimate, gender-specific inclinations that you might have without being aware of it.

technicolor-misfit: "I have a vagina, so tolerate my craziness and I'll let you play with it!!!"

Sex isn't a farking one-sided reward, it's a mutually-shared pleasure.

You're absolutely right. Sex is a mutually-shared pleasure that only really works when both parties only care about the pleasure of the other. My point was that I have short-comings that are part of the package, as I'm sure you do as well.

The fact is that I recognize my short-comings and work to change them when possible. However, this may not be possible at a moments notice, so if I want to reward my partner for understanding that, that is not a personal flaw.

Stop trying to see a b*tch and you won't find one.

altinos: But anyway, if you can't tell the difference between a good one and a bad one after spending some time with her, then that's your problem. You should be able to.

If it were that easy, these women would be perpetually single.

It is easy if you don't think with your dick. It might not be that common, but it is easy.

Damn, y'all really do hate women, chill the fark out ya crazy bastards.

Empanda: Zamboro: invischamesh: "Well, well, well, aren't there a bunch of bitter guys here?"

How do you think they got that way? By dating stable, honest, consistently even-minded women? Don't you think we would if we could find them? Don't you think we could find them if they existed?

Okay, I agree many of the women out there are twisted, dishonest, manipulative, and generally a pain in the ass. Worse I find many are obsessed with looks over character. However, there are stable, honest, consistently even-minded women out there. I'm sorry you haven't found one yet.

True... it took me 12 years to find mine. Here is a little advise to all males out there, have higher standards and stick to them. The rewards are infinitely worth it.

/my two cents

Workemon: "True... it took me 12 years to find mine. Here is a little advise to all males out there, have higher standards and stick to them. The rewards are infinitely worth it."

See, now this is solid advice. It's a bit disheartening that it took so long, though.

Zamboro: Workemon: "True... it took me 12 years to find mine. Here is a little advise to all males out there, have higher standards and stick to them. The rewards are infinitely worth it."

See, now this is solid advice. It's a bit disheartening that it took so long, though.

Good things come to those who wait.

/ketchup

This is why you're supposed to cut their tongue out on the second date.

/Be sure to get head on the first.
//If you're not the wasteful sort, it goes good with wasabi.
///Sort of like chewy sashimi.

voyvf: This is why you're supposed to cut their tongue out on the second date.

/Be sure to get head on the first.
//If you're not the wasteful sort, it goes good with wasabi.
///Sort of like chewy sashimi.

Gee, ever wonder why you can't get laid?

Zamboro: Empanada: Did that. It's mildly insulting that you'd think something that basic didn't occur to me....but you're just offering suggestions and trying to help, whatever.

I think most people in good relationships like to attribute it to their own experience and perceptiveness....when odds are they stumbled haplessly into it, and it's only by the grace of chance that they didn't end up chained to a soul-sucking monster for a significant portion of their youth.

I'd also like you to consider the possibility that these are legitimate, gender-specific inclinations that you might have without being aware of it.

Oh I was just trying to be helpful, and by a zillion questions I should have pointed out that many were the sort that you get in job interviews that are designed to trip you up if you are full of it.

I am in a good relationship -now-. I've certainly dated a few jerks. Even those that weren't jerks didn't really approach the level of good in my current relationship. I'll happily admit it was sheer dumb luck that led me to meeting my current.

However, it was through a lot of years of self-examination I was able to be secure enough to be as open as I think it is to really make a relationship work. As good as women might be about talking about their feelings, we often have a great deal of trouble just being direct. For example saying "I'm fine" when the real answer should be "It annoys the heck out of me when you do X." That btw should be said early, before annoyed becomes seriously pissed. Women also need to learn that men are not mind-readers no matter how sensitive they might be. Direct, open communications from -both- people in a relationship is vital if it is to thrive.

I am curious as to what you consider a gender-specific inclination though.

As a woman who grew up with a bipolar drunk mother, I can say with confidence and pride that I don't play that mind-game/power-hungry/domination game.

I had my life's share of drama before I could vote.

None more for me, thx.

I'm a woman, and I always thought that these bitter men threads were hilarious - within a relationship, I'm almost too honest, and before I'd cheat I'd just break up with you.

Then I dated a woman. She was AWFUL, did all those things that you guys complain about. She was impossible to read, she lied to my face constantly, she cheated on me (we were in an open relationship at the time, so this means she snuck around behind my back without being open, for which there was no need), she denied me sex, telling me she was too emotionally damaged to have sex (while sleeping with others), and finally she broke up with me over IM, after an 8 month relationship.

So in conclusion, I'm with you guys. I'm there. But her behavior shocked me - another woman. I would NEVER do any of the shiat she pulled. I'm just not like that, and so I have to conclude that there are other straightforward women like me as well.

/happily engaged to a man

Luey:
/happily engaged to a man

Lesson: people are people.

kroonermanblack:

But I also know women will ruin your life, for a very, very, very, long time. Not can. Will.

So I take special care to find the few I think are worth risking having that ruination rained upon me. So far, except for the one time, I've drawn some decent hands, but in the end, we both decided it wouldn't work, so dropped it.

I wanted to qualify my mysogony, since I'm not quite as anti-vag as I come off. I've just seen women utterly ruin men, with no repurcussions, wwwaaayyyy too many times.

Good on you for seeing the glass half full! ;)

So you have a thing for single moms?

How you doin?

horonto: Picture of the author.

Link (new window)

Where do they get all the statistics. Pulled out of someone's butt?

Woooohoooo!!!! Buttstetisteks!!!

Luey: I would NEVER do any of the shiat she pulled. I'm just not like that, and so I have to conclude that there are other straightforward women like me as well.

I have an ex that said exactly the same thing you did. And every new guy she finds, she says the same thing to.

oldsbone: "I feel like such a guy. I was reading this thread, Zamboro posted a link to something Super Mario Bros. related, and since then, I've been looking through SMB videos on YouTube. Is that wrong?"

If it is, I don't want to be right.

altinos

Ok, never mind. You're right. We're all evil, manipulative liars as we hack our way through men's hearts, leaving a stack of broken, bitter shells in our wake.

I feel sorry for you.

I would like to submit into evicence the lying, cheating, skank wife from Moment of Truth...

MBA Whore:



This is all you get.

Luey: I feel sorry for you.

Why, because I pointed out what the article said? I've already been through this. Went through a few dozen women before getting married.

altinos

I'm sorry, I confused you with one of the other people on the thread who was convinced that women are evil incarnate. Total overreaction.

alexanderino:

You are awesome!

You to Firetini (btw that whore in the pic is hot)

farkin_noob: kroonermanblack:

But I also know women will ruin your life, for a very, very, very, long time. Not can. Will.

So I take special care to find the few I think are worth risking having that ruination rained upon me. So far, except for the one time, I've drawn some decent hands, but in the end, we both decided it wouldn't work, so dropped it.

I wanted to qualify my mysogony, since I'm not quite as anti-vag as I come off. I've just seen women utterly ruin men, with no repurcussions, wwwaaayyyy too many times.

Good on you for seeing the glass half full! ;)

So you have a thing for single moms?

How you doin?

Actually, the total opposite. I'm 24 (I think? Born in 83, can't be bothered to check). But I am not nearly a strong enough person to raise a child. If it was my own, I would have no choice, but right now, if you show me 'single mom' vs. 'single single', I take the latter.

Nothing against single moms; my stepfather is, in my eyes, the most awesome man to ever live (and I met him when I was 18). I just know I'm not mentally and emotionally prepped to raise a child, let alone 'someone elses child'.

I don't have much of 'a thing' for any chick; I find 99% of females attractive in some way; personality, looks, whatever. I'd rather have a girl who will kick me in the balls for being an asshole, and is a solid 5-6 out of 10, than a 9/10 whore. Because personality is 20/10 for me.

\I'm still a guy, so show some farking cleavage, damnit.
\\Boobs, show them to me.

Obvious tag whispers that author of TFA is a biatch and no one likes her and everyone knows she gave the entire JV football team a BJ.

I feel like such a guy. I was reading this thread, Zamboro posted a link to something Super Mario Bros. related, and since then, I've been looking through SMB videos on YouTube. Is that wrong?

thats exactly what i did!
who needs girls when you got games?

seriously though, women are crazy and after 3 relationships where i gave everything i had only to be farked over im kinda sick of it. girlfriend no. 2 accused me of cheating because i was still friends with gf#1 and yet she cheated on me with her ex-boyfriend claiming that i was in the wrong first! WHAT!? i'm only friends with her!
gf#3 just disappeared...we were going out for over a month then she just stopped talking to me, wouldnt return txts, phone calls, emails. strange and very annoying i was just starting to really like her. and she still has my Withnail & I dvd!

anyway...
currently doing the whole "friends-with-benefits" thing with a couple girls. its good, no expectations, no jealousy, just sex.
i reccomend..

farkin_noob

Do you need a hug? Come here *opens arms* Its safe here.


If that wasn't sarcasm, that was one of the sweeter gestures ive seen on Fark. Good on you :)

/dont have a sister, do ya?

also does anyone else feel like they spend their lives waiting for women?

for example im waiting on a girl right now (actually gf#1 who is in town and i dont get to see her often). i took yesterday off work to hang out with her but she got busy and said she'd come over at night. then she rang and said that she was getting an early night, so i spent all of yesterday basically doing nothing but waiting for her (not to mention losing a bunch of money from not working).

today she said she'd be over at 10am...but then she rang me and she got sidetracked on the way over (a 10 minute train ride from where she is staying)....so basically im sitting here frigging starving cause i was waiting to have breakfast with her at a cafe...i dont know whats going on and i dont want to seem pushy by ringing and seeing where the hell she is...but shiat...

girls, if you plan to do something with a guy, DO IT and DO NOT BE LATE. of course when you finally do show up we'll be all nice and say "its ok" but inside we're hating you a lot. being the "nice guy" is driving me to an early grave.

halfjack: farkin_noob

Do you need a hug? Come here *opens arms* Its safe here.


If that wasn't sarcasm, that was one of the sweeter gestures ive seen on Fark. Good on you :)

/dont have a sister, do ya?

5 but they are either batshiat crazy or happily married.

What you're too good for me?

check my profile I'm a chick ;)

farkin_noob
check my profile I'm a chick ;)


(checks profile)

Woohoo!!

/(hurriedly puts email in profile) :)

halfjack: you made my night! But how do you know I not one of the batshiat crazy females in my family?

Really though most of the females in my family are crazy and as the youngest of the bunch I tried my best to not become like them.

Farkin_noob


Honestly, If you can admit the possibility that you are crazy, then you are self aware/mature enough to be introspective -which is all anyone can ask for, really.

im not all THAT sane either, truth be told. But I am considerate, and am always trying to grow.

/drop me a line - just for fun :)

honeymaid8 - You're absolutely right. Sex is a mutually-shared pleasure that only really works when both parties only care about the pleasure of the other. My point was that I have short-comings that are part of the package, as I'm sure you do as well.

The fact is that I recognize my short-comings and work to change them when possible. However, this may not be possible at a moments notice, so if I want to reward my partner for understanding that, that is not a personal flaw.

Stop trying to see a b*tch and you won't find one.


Except you didn't say you wanted to "reward your partner" for understanding that you have flaws... You implied you would punish him for NOT.

Your quote, again... with key points bolded.

If she has a sense of humor, she'll be more likely to say "Yes, I realize I'm being irrational, but if you play along there's more likely to me great sex for you at the end of this."

/Do you want to be happy or right?


That's not a reward, that's an ultimatum... with sex as the weapon of choice.

How would you take it if your partner used sex as a tool against you?

"No honey, I won't be home for dinner... Yes, I know you've been working on it all day... Yes, I know you've had it planned all week and yes, I know I didn't give you any notice, but I'm going to play cards with the boys... That's simply the way it is, but you play along and I just might throw some dick your way when I get home.

You wanna be right, or you wanna be happy?

Are you honestly gonna tell me you don't see how arrogant and insulting that is? Oooh, lucky you... The inconsiderate asshole is going to grace you with some farking so long as you take his crap without making a fuss... Wow, what a magnanimous gesture on his part.

When you hold sex up for barter, the message you're really sending is "I don't enjoy farking you all that much, so you're gonna have to sweeten the pot" while simultaneously implying that your partner wants your stuff so bad that they're willing to accept that kind of insult just to get it.

It's terribly disrespectful and demeaning.

halfjack:

/drop me a line - just for fun :)

What is this fun you speak of?

You didn't read my profile did you! I'm a mom! ;)

technicolor-misfit: How would you take it if your partner used sex as a tool against you?

"No honey, I won't be home for dinner... Yes, I know you've been working on it all day... Yes, I know you've had it planned all week and yes, I know I didn't give you any notice, but I'm going to play cards with the boys... That's simply the way it is, but you play along and I just might throw some dick your way when I get home.

You wanna be right, or you wanna be happy?

Are you honestly gonna tell me you don't see how arrogant and insulting that is? Oooh, lucky you... The inconsiderate asshole is going to grace you with some farking so long as you take his crap without making a fuss... Wow, what a magnanimous gesture on his part.

When you hold sex up for barter, the message you're really sending is "I don't enjoy farking you all that much, so you're gonna have to sweeten the pot" while simultaneously implying that your partner wants your stuff so bad that they're willing to accept that kind of insult just to get it.

It's terribly disrespectful and demeaning.

This, this, 1000 times this. God almighty, 1000 times this.

*sigh*

If you read what I wrote, I was implying that I wasn't a perfect person, which none of us are, including you.

I'm occasionally irrational. It happens, not very often, but it does. And when I am, I usually put that up front. It's called being self aware.

And if you want to take such a low tack of what I was trying to say, then so be it. The quote you pulled out is actually positive. Note I said "more likely" not "this is the only way". At a stretch, it's neutral. So this whole, demeaning, disrespectful thing would be projection anyway.

The point was that sex is a privilege. With me, with my SO, with any self-respecting person. And yes, there will be times you have to earn it. Which means taking the time to understanding your partners wants, needs and feelings. There's nothing wrong with that. From what my SO says, he finds it an honor.

/And yeah, I like it. So don't hate.
//It was meant to be funny.
///Untwist those panties.

Didn't read the article. I don't think it's that women lie more or bigger, I think that a lot of men think they're smarter than women (they're not; they're not dumber, but they're not smarter, either), so they don't think they can be fooled by a woman. Or, they get a hottie and are stupid enough to think that a hot chick can't be smart. Then, she farks them over and all of a sudden, all women are evil.

I've found men and women to be equally reprehensible. They're just reprehensible in slightly different ways. The men who biatch about how all women are lying whores are the same as the women who say all men are assholes. The common denominator there is you. If you've been truly screwed over by a succession of men/women, it's not them, it's you. You are a poor judge of character (in that character probably isn't very important to you), so that's why all of your significant others are assholes. And possibly, you're an asshole, too.

honeymaid - what you just said made me very sad.

so, there isn't sufficient reward in sex for you to treat it as a mutual experience, and instead you will dangle it like a carrot, trying to get the mule to do what you want?

listen, the average guy will start to feel pretty damn demeaned if you become too obvious with that. I know thats a common meme amongst the sex and the city devotees, but all its going to do is alienate your chore-doer because you will make him feel that sex with him is a chore as well.

I would start to withhold sex form a woman who did that. and if, in a year, no fuss was made about the lack of sex, id jsut pack and leave, with the yellow page for handymen circled in red on the kitchen table.

jafiwam: NOT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF LADIES.

That's like being proud of living in the basement and jerking off a lot. Sure, it might be fun once in a while, but as a lifestyle, it's just pathetic and wrong.

You just offended 99% of Fark....

Sarcasticus
How is it that women are considered better communicators, but when you ask your gf what's wrong (and you know something's wrong) she says, "Nothing."

Because she's expecting you to use that TELEPATHY that women have as part of their genetic makeup. That's how they can hate each other and never even be in the same room.

Seriously dough, it's like they want you to spend the next hour or so playing charades to pry the information out of them, and then when you finally go 'fark it' and give up they biatch that you don't care about them, you're an insensitive douche bla bla...

farkin_noob

Hey. just because yer a mom doesnt mean you're DEAD, silly.
i mean- you are farking, and THATS fun...... right? sorta?
/likes single moms
//they know about maturity

You know, only about 10% of women are relationshipworthy, yet all claim they are.

rewind2846: Seriously dough, it's like they want you to spend the next hour or so playing charades to pry the information out of them, and then when you finally go 'fark it' and give up they biatch that you don't care about them, you're an insensitive douche bla bla...

It's a test to see how much you care. My response is "If you won't tell me, then it's not important." Then I walk away.

halfjack: honeymaid - what you just said made me very sad.

so, there isn't sufficient reward in sex for you to treat it as a mutual experience, and instead you will dangle it like a carrot, trying to get the mule to do what you want?

I retract my earlier statement, you don't need a girl with a sense of humor, you need to get a sense of humor.

/sheesh
//there's plenty reward

MBA Whore: alexanderino:

You are awesome!



/You're welcome.

Sorry honeymaid

yer right. Re-reading what you said, I realize i need to pull the stick outta my ass. Yo udid not mean that in a literal, quid-pro-quo exchange of chores/sex. you were humorously pointing out the advantages of staying in the relationship.

I get ya. honestly i do.

Forgive me for being ore than a little touchy about that whole idea of chores-for-sex. many women DO take it literally, and really dumb guys actually accept and encourage it.

/passes honeymaid88 a beer in apology