invisichamesh
I was making fun of the fact that you guys were taking a rather shiatty article from a crappy news source and were using it to justify painting it to all women.

Actually it's originally from the New York Post. Quoted by Susan Shapiro Barash, author of "Little White Lies, Deep Dark Secrets: The Truth About Why Women Lie". A woman. biatch at her.

Zamboro: Empanada: "However, there are stable, honest, consistently even-minded women out there."

Do you think that you're one of them? Don't they all think that? It's a matter of subconscious inclination, not conscious decision.


Actually, I would say I am honest. I don't steal, I don't lie. It's one of the things my SO says he likes about me. I wouldn't be so confident in stating that I am either stable or even-minded. He says I am one of the most sane women he has ever known, and I say judging from the women I know that really isn't saying much. I have many annoying habits, led a mostly rootless existence, I bore easily, and I am a horrible biatch before I've had my morning coffee. That aside, I have stayed friends with virtually every guy I have ever dated. So I can't be all bad, right?

Zamboro: Don't you think we could find them if they existed?

Give me a break. Of course they exist. Most of the women I've dated have been pretty honest, stable people. Yeah, there's been the occasional wacky one, but that's an exception.

When you make a comment like that, you sound just like the women who whine about how all the men they meet are jerks. The bottom line is, if all the men or women someone meets have problems, then that person is probably in some way seeking out other people who have issues.

If men weren't so easy to lie to we wouldn't lie so much.

TastyEloi:
When you make a comment like that, you sound just like the women who whine about how all the men they meet are jerks. The bottom line is, if all the men or women someone meets have problems, then that person is probably in some way seeking out other people who have issues.

I don't think people seek out the bad ones, I think they are very confused about the difference between what they say they want and what they really want.

ceruleanblu: invisichamesh: was making fun of the fact that you guys were taking a rather shiatty article from a crappy news source and were using it to justify painting it to all women.

Actually it's originally from the New York Post. Quoted by Susan Shapiro Barash, author of "Little White Lies, Deep Dark Secrets: The Truth About Why Women Lie". A woman. biatch at her.

Lovely. Obviously DRTFA well enough. The title of that book just sounds like she was on the wrong end of a bunch of catty women in high school. Oye. It's still a horribly written article.

My large brush comment still stands, though. If all you run into is biatching and lying women or men, maybe, just maybe, you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.

farkin_noob: If men weren't so easy to lie to we wouldn't lie so much.

That's true. Listen to people of both genders tell stories of how they were with someone who treated them like shiat for years. They tell the story like they had no control over what was going on.

invisichamesh:
My large brush comment

I read that as "my large bush comment" which has been the best part of this thread so far.

invischamesh: "I'm sure many of you have dated idiotic women. Hell, I know some idiotic women that I would love to do something with. I've also dated/known some idiotic guys who were unstable, lying scum. Doesn't mean all men are crazy, lying scum; I also know many who aren't as well."

We're not raging against shiatty people in general here, but the ways in which women are uniquely shiatty. You won't get any argument from me that men can be self-interested immature apes, but they're generally easier to deal with than women because they're characteristically overt and predictable in their cruelty.

I'd like to take this away from tired misogyny for a moment to sincerely explain my meaning. Have you heard of the "uncanny valley"? The point at which a human-like construct so closely resembles a human being that it lures us into emotionally investing in it, but subtle flaws give it away as inhuman. The phrase "falling into uncanny valley" refers to the cold dread, the nauseous fear one feels the exact moment he or she realizes that the construct isn't actually a human being.

I'll leave it to you to imagine what sent me tumbling into uncanny valley, but sufficed to say that I don't believe a male would have even conceived of doing such a thing.

invischamesh: "I was making fun of the fact that you guys were taking a rather shiatty article from a crappy news source and were using it to justify painting it to all women. I know this is Fark and Fark loves it's woman-bashing, so I really don't care that much. But doesn't mean I can't be snarky as well. Sorry."

No, that's fair. Fark has it's share of bitter men. But as was already pointed out, they don't become bitter spontaneously. It's the consistent pattern of meeting a woman who is so convincingly stable that you're sure it's not gonna happen this time, and then it does. It's pretty much exactly like this game, except some of us have the good sense to give up.

I actually need to lie more. I often piss people off because of my truthiness. If you don't want my honest opinion don't ask.

/Or is this all a lie?

TastyEloi: "Most of the women I've dated have been pretty honest, stable people."

I've got some bad news for you.

paygun
I read that as "my large bush comment" which has been the best part of this thread so far.



Does not approve.

Oh come on boys, if you look for a woman with a sense of humor instead of just a great rack, everything would be fine.

(No, the two are not mutually exclusive.)

If she has a sense of humor, she'll be more likely to say "Yes, I realize I'm being irrational, but if you play along there's more likely to me great sex for you at the end of this."

/Do you want to be happy or right?

Firetini: CowboyNinjaD: FarkinHostile: Women are generally far more complex and perhaps better communicators then men.

Emotionally unstable does not equal "more complex," and acting like a hostile biatch without saying why you're mad for a week and then expecting an apology does not equal "better communicators."

Man, quit dating girls in high school already.

High school chicks make blatantly stupid lies. Older women are much more convincing. Either way, you need a strong pimp hand.

I've got some bad news for you.

Sigh......how old are you? How many relationships have you had? I'm 37, had dozens of good relationships, with one or two exceptions. My lifes experiences strongly disagree with your opinion.

honeymaid8
Oh come on boys, if you look for a woman with a sense of humor instead of just a great rack, everything would be fine.

(No, the two are not mutually exclusive.)

I'll save you guys the click, no pics in profile.

ceruleanblu: paygun
I read that as "my large bush comment" which has been the best part of this thread so far.



Does not approve.

I don't know who that is but he sure looks like a very sad panda.

Obvious tag wanted for questioning :p

paygun - That's true. Listen to people of both genders tell stories of how they were with someone who treated them like shiat for years. They tell the story like they had no control over what was going on.


Ahhh... but when it comes to lies, that's a double-edged sword.

Either you trust your partner, and he/she lies to you, and they're the asshole... OR you don't trust your partner and do all kinds of sneaky snooping and double-checking, and YOU'RE the asshole.

Sure, you should leave when you discover you've been lied to, but how big a lie? Where do you draw that line? It can be eAsier than you think to get caught up with someone who's farking you over... particuarly when you have good intentions and integrity and they don't.

Because they don't operate in plain sight, or play by any rules of personal conduct, or even express honest emotions... it can take a while to recognize a snake for a snake.

The only other option is acting like an emotionless robot and excising someone the moment they make the first mistake or exhibit the first flaw.

honeymaid8: Oh come on boys, if you look for a woman with a sense of humor instead of just a great rack, everything would be fine.

(No, the two are not mutually exclusive.)

If she has a sense of humor, she'll be more likely to say "Yes, I realize I'm being irrational, but if you play along there's more likely to me great sex for you at the end of this."

/Do you want to be happy or right?

That's not the best advice, but it's moving in the right direction. I say stop looking at all. Learn to be happy without needing someone else.

invisichamesh: Zamboro: invischamesh: "Well, well, well, aren't there a bunch of bitter guys here?"

How do you think they got that way? By dating stable, honest, consistently even-minded women? Don't you think we would if we could find them? Don't you think we could find them if they existed?

I'm sure many of you have dated idiotic women. Hell, I know some idiotic women that I would love to do something with. I've also dated/known some idiotic guys who were unstable, lying scum. Doesn't mean all men are crazy, lying scum; I also know many who aren't as well.

I was making fun of the fact that you guys were taking a rather shiatty article from a crappy news source and were using it to justify painting it to all women. I know this is Fark and Fark loves it's woman-bashing, so I really don't care that much. But doesn't mean I can't be snarky as well. Sorry.

Every girl I date has 3+ 'crazy psychotic exes'.

A couple guys I work with have 1-2 'crazy psychotic exes'.

Want to know the difference? The male crazy can't take 3/4 of your worl assests, your children (for 20+ years), accuse you of rape, have you arrested for assault' and in general, fark you over for life.

So yes, men in general are a bit bitter on the subject of farking crazy women.

Because 9/10 times, it seems a woman does nothing but ass rape you.

FarkinHostile
Sigh......how old are you? How many relationships have you had? I'm 37, had dozens of good relationships, with one or two exceptions. My lifes experiences strongly disagree with your opinion.

Assuming 16 at beginning of dating and dozens = 24
More then one good relationship a year. Hmmmm. How good could they be?

Nothing personal, just sayin'.

paygun

It's Jeb Bush, guess I should have gone with "Jeb does not approve".

technicolor-misfit: paygun - That's true. Listen to people of both genders tell stories of how they were with someone who treated them like shiat for years. They tell the story like they had no control over what was going on.


Ahhh... but when it comes to lies, that's a double-edged sword.

Either you trust your partner, and he/she lies to you, and they're the asshole... OR you don't trust your partner and do all kinds of sneaky snooping and double-checking, and YOU'RE the asshole.

Sure, you should leave when you discover you've been lied to, but how big a lie? Where do you draw that line? It can be eAsier than you think to get caught up with someone who's farking you over... particuarly when you have good intentions and integrity and they don't.

Because they don't operate in plain sight, or play by any rules of personal conduct, or even express honest emotions... it can take a while to recognize a snake for a snake.

The only other option is acting like an emotionless robot and excising someone the moment they make the first mistake or exhibit the first flaw.

You're preaching to the choir, I've been there.

But you're missing another option, be the best person you can be and excise them when they stick it in you and break it off.

kroonermanblack:
Every girl I date has 3+ 'crazy psychotic exes'.

A couple guys I work with have 1-2 'crazy psychotic exes'.

Want to know the difference? The male crazy can't take 3/4 of your worl assests, your children (for 20+ years), accuse you of rape, have you arrested for assault' and in general, fark you over for life.

So yes, men in general are a bit bitter on the subject of farking crazy women.

Because 9/10 times, it seems a woman does nothing but ass rape you.

Do you need a hug? Come here *opens arms* Its safe here.

ceruleanblu: paygun

It's Jeb Bush, guess I should have gone with "Jeb does not approve".

That poor bastard. I'm sure he's no saint either but what a life he must have now. He should hook up with Monica Lewinski.

Assuming 16 at beginning of dating and dozens = 24
More then one good relationship a year. Hmmmm. How good could they be?

Nothing personal, just sayin'.


Perfect, from my point of view. Just because you realize that you are not long term compatible, and/or want just friendships, like I have with many very beautiful and GOOD women, doesn't make them bad relationships. I have had worse falling outs with male friends.

kroonermanblack:

Because 9/10 times, it seems a woman does nothing but ass rape you.

That's a whole nuther level of "you're doing it wrong" if you get raped in the ass.

Finding an emotionally stable woman is like hunting for Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster. Plenty of people claim to have seen them, but in practice, not so much.

:)

honeymaid8: Oh come on boys, if you look for a woman with a sense of humor instead of just a great rack, everything would be fine.

(No, the two are not mutually exclusive.)

If she has a sense of humor, she'll be more likely to say "Yes, I realize I'm being irrational, but if you play along there's more likely to me great sex for you at the end of this."

/Do you want to be happy or right?

Hope this isn't a double-post, but are you farking kidding me?

That is the embodiment of childishness. 'Agree with me and I'll fark you, don't play and I won't'. How mature does that sound?

I dated a girl like that. I got so utterly sick of the 'ok, I'm right, tell me I am or no sex for you' supperiorness that I simply stopped playing the game. She was farking some other guy for 2 months (while we were not having sex, but she said she loved me; also note: she was the first/only one to say it (after she farked another guy)).

So ya....how are those childish 'I have pussy agree with me or don't see it' games going for you?

Empanada: "Actually, I would say I am honest. I don't steal, I don't lie....I can't be all bad, right?"

It's not that you aren't convincing, just that the past two girls I dated were extremely convincing as well. It's probably true that some women are stable, honest and sane, it's just impossible to distinguish them from the ones who put on a good act.

FarkinHostile: "Sigh......how old are you? How many relationships have you had? I'm 37, had dozens of good relationships, with one or two exceptions. My lifes experiences strongly disagree with your opinion."

24, and just six (two of which were fairly long-term) and you could of course be right, I'm willing to concede that. After all, 6 isn't a great sample size. However it's also the case that six negative results in a row is a difficult trend to ignore, and anecdotal evidence is notoriously unreliable. Everyone says their SO is perfect and would never fail them. Everyone trusts their own life experience over someone elses. I'm guilty of this, as are you.

I'd rather not turn this thread into an emo livejournal circlejerk, so if you'd like to continue this discussion elsewhere I'd be game. Otherwise I'm gonna shut up now and resume getting over shiat. Just you watch, I'll probably be an optimistic rube again within a month!

FarkinHostile
Just because you realize that you are not long term compatible, and/or want just friendships, like I have with many very beautiful and GOOD women, doesn't make them bad relationships.

Makes sense. My longest relationship has been 3 years, but my problem has been I'm an insufferable bastard drunk and chase all the good women away.

honeymaid8 - Oh come on boys, if you look for a woman with a sense of humor instead of just a great rack, everything would be fine.

(No, the two are not mutually exclusive.)

If she has a sense of humor, she'll be more likely to say "Yes, I realize I'm being irrational, but if you play along there's more likely to me great sex for you at the end of this."

/Do you want to be happy or right?



Oh, fark that.

"I have a vagina, so tolerate my craziness and I'll let you play with it!!!"

Sex isn't a farking one-sided reward, it's a mutually-shared pleasure.

The fact that you think it IS a one-sided reward is highly indicative of just how manipulative and power-oriented you are... which stands in stark in contrast to the fact that you seemingly think you're one of the funny 'good' ones.

In short, more proof that pretty much ALL women are manipulative, game-playing nutjobs... ESPECIALLY the ones who say they aren't.

At least with the 'Sex & The City' divas who wear it on their sleeves, you can see it coming.

Better liars?


Disagrees

Zamboro:
It's not that you aren't convincing, just that the past two girls I dated were extremely convincing as well. It's probably true that some women are stable, honest and sane, it's just impossible to distinguish them from the ones who put on a good act.

Just you watch, I'll probably be an optimistic rube again within a month!

I have a lot of faith in that prediction. If you can't tell the difference then you are a rube.

However it's also the case that six negative results in a row is a difficult trend to ignore, and anecdotal evidence is notoriously unreliable. Everyone says their SO is perfect and would never fail them. Everyone trusts their own life experience over someone elses. I'm guilty of this, as are you.


No doubt. I think that the biggest problem is when people have unrealistic expectations in relationships. Perfect is unrealistic. We are all flawed humans. Understand and accept that, and you will have better success, IMNSHO.


Makes sense. My longest relationship has been 3 years, but my problem has been I'm an insufferable bastard drunk and chase all the good women away.


Insanity is making the same mistakes over and over again, and expecting different results.


Good thread. Duty calls. Later!

nobozo: Breaking: FOX News switches to all-female lineup.

I came here for this.


/so obvious

FarkinHostile [TotalFark] 2008-03-02 04:56:55 PM
I've got some bad news for you.

Sigh......how old are you? How many relationships have you had? I'm 37, had dozens of good relationships, with one or two exceptions. My lifes experiences strongly disagree with your opinion.

correct me if i'm wrong. but, by dozens i take it to mean more than one. my math says that averages out to be about 1 new relationship a year.

honestly, do you have any reason to go belittling someone else about relationships??

farkin_noob: kroonermanblack:
Every girl I date has 3+ 'crazy psychotic exes'.

A couple guys I work with have 1-2 'crazy psychotic exes'.

Want to know the difference? The male crazy can't take 3/4 of your worl assests, your children (for 20+ years), accuse you of rape, have you arrested for assault' and in general, fark you over for life.

So yes, men in general are a bit bitter on the subject of farking crazy women.

Because 9/10 times, it seems a woman does nothing but ass rape you.

Do you need a hug? Come here *opens arms* Its safe here.

I laughed, a lot, thanks.

I actually love women. My mother raised me solo, and she is the strongest person I have ever known. I have a lot of respect for some women. But I also think sex has little to nothing to do with being a strong person.

And I, in general, only date girls I can see as stable, open, etc. Rather than the tramps who fark anyone with a big dick, a big wallet, or a big car (of course, since I have none of those, I suppose I opt out, eh? Heh).

But I also know women will ruin your life, for a very, very, very, long time. Not can. Will.

So I take special care to find the few I think are worth risking having that ruination rained upon me. So far, except for the one time, I've drawn some decent hands, but in the end, we both decided it wouldn't work, so dropped it.

I wanted to qualify my mysogony, since I'm not quite as anti-vag as I come off. I've just seen women utterly ruin men, with no repurcussions, wwwaaayyyy too many times.

skillett:
honestly, do you have any reason to go belittling someone else about relationships??

Well this is the internet.

I wanted to qualify my mysogony, since I'm not quite as anti-vag as I come off.

How is it misogynist to call it like it is?

skillett:
honestly, do you have any reason to go belittling someone else about relationships??

Well this is the internet.

I stand corrected.

paygun: "If you can't tell the difference then you are a rube."

I didn't mean that I can't tell the difference when presented with a large sample. I mean that once you sift through and get down to the women you've had a great deal of time to get to know, the ones who seem solidly decent regardless of how closely you scrutinize them. Let's say you're down to five. OF those five, no matter how hot shiat you think you are, No matter how superhumanly perceptive you believe yourself to be, at least two of them are the wrong sort.

FarkinHostile: I think that the biggest problem is when people have unrealistic expectations in relationships. Perfect is unrealistic. We are all flawed humans. Understand and accept that, and you will have better success

I totally agree, unsure as to why you think I didn't know that. It's not generally the best idea to attempt to work out the details of someone's romantic history from the way they word a single sentence. It actually had nothing to do with expectations, it was something completely different every time. Most commonly it was circumstance; Going off to different colleges, an old ex moving into town, the personality-altering potential of drugs...It's the decisions they made when confronted by these circumstances that shocked me, not the resulting breakup.

Women sure do like to lie in their personal ad profiles.

"Gorgeous", "hot", "my friends say I'm pretty", etc. Then they send you a picture, and you wonder who they were talking about.

/do not want

Zamboro: Empanada: "Actually, I would say I am honest. I don't steal, I don't lie....I can't be all bad, right?"

It's not that you aren't convincing, just that the past two girls I dated were extremely convincing as well. It's probably true that some women are stable, honest and sane, it's just impossible to distinguish them from the ones who put on a good act.

I can see where telling the good ones from the bad ones might be hard. My guy had an interesting approach, he pretty much asked me a gazillion questions -before- we got involved. He took the time to actually get to know me before trying to date me. You hear that cliche about how important it is to be friends first, it actually really does help.

Zamboro:
I didn't mean that I can't tell the difference when presented with a large sample. I mean that once you sift through and get down to the women you've had a great deal of time to get to know, the ones who seem solidly decent regardless of how closely you scrutinize them. Let's say you're down to five. OF those five, no matter how hot shiat you think you are, No matter how superhumanly perceptive you believe yourself to be, at least two of them are the wrong sort.


I'm not sure what all that means.

But anyway, if you can't tell the difference between a good one and a bad one after spending some time with her, then that's your problem. You should be able to.

I lack awesome internet skills.

Someone please post the "whore mouth" Caturday pic!

/ dumb stupid tech illeterite whore
// please ??