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(AFP)   Scientist blames "lucifer effect" for turning good soldiers evil at Abu Ghraib. Submitter prefers the old term: "human nature"   ( news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2008-02-29 07:11:58 AM  
Hardship does not create evil...it unmasks it.
 
2008-02-29 07:30:41 AM  
I'm not listening to anyone below a nitter.
 
2008-02-29 08:29:36 AM  
"If you give people power without oversight it is a formula for abuse," Zimbardo said to a stunned audience the included famous actors, entrepreneurs and politicians.

I like that it takes someone a degree, a long period of research, and a published book to arrive at this sort of world-tilting, radical conclusion. And "Lucifer Effect" rolls off the tongue almost as nicely as "Stockholm Effect," so at least this guy's bought himself a few more rounds of the talk shows and news broadcasts.
 
2008-02-29 08:30:11 AM  
er, "Stockholm Syndrome," not "Stockholm Effect." Damn sun got in my eyes.
 
2008-02-29 08:33:27 AM  
The professor was on the Colbert Report discussing his book. Link (new window)
 
2008-02-29 08:34:57 AM  
Elvis_Bogart: Hardship does not create evil...it unmasks it.

This.
 
2008-02-29 08:36:03 AM  
I remember how angry my grandmother would get if she screwed up a cross stitch while making a sweater I would never wear.

It was brutal, she once stabbed the mailman in the neck.
 
2008-02-29 08:55:23 AM  
Duality of man for the win.
 
2008-02-29 09:05:19 AM  
What's up? I came as soon I as heard someone call... my, uh...

Oh. Nevermind.

/does this in every thread like this
 
2008-02-29 09:13:56 AM  
Adam was but human--this explains it all. He did not want the apple for the apple's sake, he wanted it only because it was forbidden. The mistake was in not forbidding the serpent; then he would have eaten the serpent. -- Mark Twain

"The pitifulest thing out is a mob; that's what an army is--a mob; they don't fight with courage that's born in them, but with courage that's borrowed from their mass, and from their officers. But a mob without any MAN at the head of it is BENEATH pitifulness." - Also sprach Mark Twain
 
2008-02-29 09:41:18 AM  
Lord of Allusions: I'm not listening to anyone below a nitter.

I lol'd
 
2008-02-29 09:42:00 AM  
Lucifer effect turns submitter into a Subnitter
 
2008-02-29 09:42:17 AM  
One time my grandmom knitted me a sweater with a submarine on it.
 
2008-02-29 09:43:09 AM  
Sub-knitter?
www.eveningnews24.co.uk
 
2008-02-29 09:43:18 AM  
I prefer "racist redneck half-wit syndrome".
 
2008-02-29 09:43:21 AM  
www.imagehosting.com
Unavailable for comment

/moral high ground FTW
 
2008-02-29 09:43:34 AM  
Sure subnitter doesn't prefer the old term "hunam mature"?
 
2008-02-29 09:43:35 AM  
Lord of Allusions: I'm not listening to anyone below a nitter.

No kidding, that's worse than assistant crack whore.
 
2008-02-29 09:44:03 AM  
Elvis_Bogart: Hardship does not create evil...it unmasks it.

Is that original? If so, kudos, I'm keeping it. If not - source plz?
 
2008-02-29 09:44:03 AM  
Am I crazy? Isn't the name of the prison Abu Ghraib?
 
2008-02-29 09:44:50 AM  
Six of of ten things said by Mark Twain were not said by Mark Twain.
 
2008-02-29 09:44:58 AM  
Elvis_Bogart: Hardship does not create evil...it unmasks it.


That's what I came here to say.
 
2008-02-29 09:45:05 AM  
tbn0.google.com
tbn0.google.com

It's "Sub knitter", not "subnitter".

/Spelling nazi
 
2008-02-29 09:45:38 AM  
"If you give people power without oversight it is a formula for abuse," Zimbardo said to a stunned audience the included famous actors, entrepreneurs and politicians.



Y'know, and the sad part is that there are people who think that giving our government more power and little oversight (via the patriot act) will turn out a different result.
 
2008-02-29 09:45:50 AM  
i252.photobucket.com
/whistles nervously
 
2008-02-29 09:46:06 AM  
Stanford Prison Experiment.
 
2008-02-29 09:47:22 AM  
Others blame 150:1 inmate to guard ratio, constant rioting, and ongoing attacks from the outside (Source: Mother Jones, for gawd's sake), for the harsh treatment of inmates.
 
2008-02-29 09:49:25 AM  
Hey, if it wan't for a religious fear of some all-seeing hoo-doo man in the sky, we'd all be spending every minute of every day just tying not to be slaughtered by the maniacs living next door.
 
2008-02-29 09:50:00 AM  
Lord of Allusions: I'm not listening to anyone below a nitter.

FTG!

/G=Glory
 
2008-02-29 09:50:15 AM  
Good name for a band, though
 
2008-02-29 09:53:16 AM  
Elvis_Bogart: Hardship does not create evil...it unmasks it.

Man...that's some deep shiat for a Friday morning.
 
2008-02-29 09:53:33 AM  
Elvis_Bogart: Hardship does not create evil...it unmasks it.

I don't think evil, per se actually exists. It's a way to describe a lack of goodness. Similar to how darkness does not actually exist, it's just a way to describe a lack of light, you cannot create darkness, only light. To make it dark, you turn off the light, not turn on the dark. Same way with cold... It doesn't exist, you cannot create cold, only heat. To make it colder, you remove heat, not create cold. That's the way I look at it anyway.

/worth about 2 cents
 
2008-02-29 09:55:21 AM  
farked?
 
2008-02-29 09:55:24 AM  
I had subnits once but used a piece of sharpened aluminium to dig them out.
 
2008-02-29 09:55:24 AM  
craigdamage: Stanford Prison Experiment.


Yeah, it's old news. The Stanford Prison Experiment findings coupled with the Milgram Experiment findings show how far "good" people can go with a diffusion of responsibility. The military ranking structure just worsens it, just ask anyone about Mai Lai.


/It's sad to know what we're all capable of, given some prodding
//Slashies
 
2008-02-29 09:57:51 AM  
Good job, Dr. University Researcher! You deserve it -


SCIENCE ACCOMPLISHED
 
2008-02-29 09:58:16 AM  
robisfunky: Elvis_Bogart: Hardship does not create evil...it unmasks it.

I don't think evil, per se actually exists. It's a way to describe a lack of goodness. Similar to how darkness does not actually exist, it's just a way to describe a lack of light, you cannot create darkness, only light. To make it dark, you turn off the light, not turn on the dark. Same way with cold... It doesn't exist, you cannot create cold, only heat. To make it colder, you remove heat, not create cold. That's the way I look at it anyway.

/worth about 2 cents


But you can not have "warm" with out a "cold" to compare it to. The thing about duality is that it is easy to focus on the good stuff and forget about the bad. However if the bad didn't exsist we couldn't have the good.
 
2008-02-29 09:58:25 AM  
Lord of Allusions: I'm not listening to anyone below a nitter.

Boo. Mods changed the headline. Does anyone have a picture so that people can continue to ridicule the subnitter?
 
2008-02-29 10:01:06 AM  
Pocket Ninja: "If you give people power without oversight it is a formula for abuse," Zimbardo said to a stunned audience the included famous actors, entrepreneurs and politicians.

I like that it takes someone a degree, a long period of research, and a published book to arrive at this sort of world-tilting, radical conclusion. And "Lucifer Effect" rolls off the tongue almost as nicely as "Stockholm Effect," so at least this guy's bought himself a few more rounds of the talk shows and news broadcasts.


"Stunned"? Really? Really? My god, and I thought Bush was stupid. But yeah, it's amazing that it took them this long to come out with something we already knew. Well, maybe they spent all that time just trying to come up with something catchy, like "Lucifer Effect".

/Lucifer effect, now in anal rapage flavor
 
2008-02-29 10:01:30 AM  
Nice one Bogart !

If those words are yours = truly awesome. If you borrowed it, good find!
 
2008-02-29 10:05:19 AM  
Ethyl Engine: craigdamage: Stanford Prison Experiment.


Yeah, it's old news. The Stanford Prison Experiment findings coupled with the Milgram Experiment findings show how far "good" people can go with a diffusion of responsibility. The military ranking structure just worsens it, just ask anyone about Mai Lai.


/It's sad to know what we're all capable of, given some prodding
//Slashies


diffusion of responsibility is where an individual does not act in a situation because of the presence of others (where others are assumed to act first or "instead of me")...see also "pluralistic ignorance" or "social loafing".

Milgram's experiment ("shock") was on obedience to authority figures.
 
2008-02-29 10:05:41 AM  
kungfu jesus with a side of lime: robisfunky:

But you can not have "warm" with out a "cold" to compare it to. The thing about duality is that it is easy to focus on the good stuff and forget about the bad. However if the bad didn't exsist we couldn't have the good.


That's just it. You don't have to have a 'cold' to compare 'warm' to, we just do it. What you are really talking about is 'more warm' or 'less warm'. Cold is something we made up to help describe it. There is no such thing as 'cold', only 'less warm'. There is no duality, because one thing exists, the other does not.
 
2008-02-29 10:07:05 AM  
please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste
 
2008-02-29 10:07:37 AM  
Rob, kungfujesus

Interesting points, man.
 
2008-02-29 10:07:53 AM  
You know, I really hope the devil would think up something more nefarious than putting some skidmarked underwear on a guy's head.
 
2008-02-29 10:08:40 AM  
yawn
 
2008-02-29 10:09:05 AM  
I prefer the term "morally challenged," myself.
 
2008-02-29 10:10:12 AM  
Boing Boing liveblogged this.
www.boingboing.net
 
2008-02-29 10:10:30 AM  
lukelightning
"Six of of ten things said by Mark Twain were not said by Mark Twain."

- Mark Twain

FTFY
 
2008-02-29 10:11:25 AM  
Billygoat Gruff: Unavailable for comment

/moral high ground FTW


Yes, terrorists are also awful wastes of oxygen. That doesn't make what happened at Abu Ghraib OK.
 
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