The Panda's Thumb on this is a far better link (new window) than what was green lighted.

Amazon link for Your Inner Fish (new window) which is the book in question.


Piss off Bevets, Join (new window) the National Center for Science Education (new window) and join the fight for science education (as opposed to merely talking on the nets).

TheMysteriousStranger:

You're telling Bevets to go away, and then you play the Summon Bevets card immediately after?

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!1!one!

TheMysteriousStranger

Well aren't we off to a terrific start today.

King Something: TheMysteriousStranger:

You're telling Bevets to go away, and then you play the Summon Bevets card immediately after?

YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!1!one!

I have not told Bevets to go away. I don't think I ever have (though it is possible that I might have forgotten). In any event I did not do so in this thread.

I said in a sentence aimed at non-Bevets Farkers, "Piss off Bevets, Join (new window) the National Center for Science Education (new window) and join the fight for science education (as opposed to merely talking on the nets)."

This is the first time I had the opportunity to Weeners in a green-lighted evolution thread and I don't want to waste it. If we are going to have evolution flame wars, I might as well mention that there are real organizations fighting over this issue in the real world.

/Not subby.
//Now disappointed I never tried to submit the Panda's Thumb link (new window) which is far superior with more details and a link to an full article and podcast on the issue.

TheMysteriousStranger: This is the first time I had the opportunity to Weeners in a green-lighted evolution thread and I don't want to waste it.

I've found the best bet is to go for a joke for the boobies. The flame war will happen. Might as well lighten the mood a little from the beginning.

Kome: I've found the best bet is to go for a joke for the boobies. The flame war will happen. Might as well lighten the mood a little from the beginning.

Okay. I am not all that great at standup and don't have any puns in mind so lets post some cartoons:



(See the Sandwalk Adventures (new window))



In any event, time to go to bed. Until tomorrow night when this thread has a zillion posts give or take a zillion...

Kome: Might as well lighten the mood a little from the beginning.

Indeed

TheMysteriousStranger: I said in a sentence aimed at non-Bevets Farkers, "Piss off Bevets, Join (new window) the National Center for Science Education (new window) and join the fight for science education (as opposed to merely talking on the nets)."

I originally read that part as "Piss off, Bevets" (note the comma) instead of "Piss off Bevets" (note the absence of a comma). You prolly should've written that as "Piss Bevets off" to avoid such confusion.

That said, i guess it's me and NOT you who gets this:

Is your teeth swimming in the back of your throat the same?
Like ya gotta go pee real bad and your just too damn lazy to get up and go to the pizzer. Then you down some corn chips and start hiccuping. So now you gotta get up and go drain the lizard.

/And without evolution we would not have religious nuts who think they are better than every one else.
//A normal person evolves into a cantankerous loudmouth that thinks every one should be in the same cult.
///Religion = Fascism.
////Religious nut = Fascist.

Hopefully this thread'll be epic by the time I get in from work.



Oh, who am I kidding. I'll be checking Fark all day for the Hockey Trade Deadline thread.

You guys are all dumb.

The obvious explanation is that we have hiccups to remind us of Eve's original sin. NEVER FORGET!

Last time I had the hiccups my friend reached across the table, grabbed the pinky of my left hand and yelled "Staring Contest begins NOW!"

By far the best cure for hiccups I have ever encountered.

/real awkward for the other people at the table.

jekostas: Hopefully this thread'll be epic by the time I get in from work.

I hope you are in Europe or Hawaii or something, and not at work at 2 in the morning.

Gameshot911: I hope you are in Europe or Hawaii or something, and not at work at 2 in the morning.

Well, I was actually talking about getting home from work tomorrow.

/goes off and breathes through his gills

Gameshot911: jekostas: Hopefully this thread'll be epic by the time I get in from work.

I hope you are in Europe or Hawaii or something, and not at work at 2 in the morning.

My prediction is it will be epic by the time I wake up in the morning.


We believe that intelligent design is neither sound science nor good theology. Although the boundaries of science are open to change, allowing supernatural explanations to count as science undercuts the very purpose of science, which is to explain the workings of nature without recourse to religious language. Attributing complexity to the interruption of natural law by a divine designer is, as some critics have claimed, a science stopper.

Who the hell is Bevets~!?

/OK, so I'm a bit of a n00b.

prekrasno: Who the hell is Bevets~!?

/OK, so I'm a bit of a n00b.

A farklebrity in evolution threads (or anything vaguely relating to religion and science).

I haven't had hiccups in 20 years, at least. Apparently getting older is a cure for them.

abb3w: And the circus comes to town.

You play the lead clown.

/not obscure
//join the endless chain

I get nasty nasty hiccups. I make a noise that will turn every head in the the room.

I found a cure for it though. If I gulp a beverage (no not beer, I'm being serious) and make sure to maximize the gulp size by filling my mouth with as much fluid as I possibly can, I can usually cure it by the end of 2 tall glasses of water.

/just sayin, it works for me.
//ya, I know I sounded like I was describing a kinky sex thing too

I see your hiccups and raise you a tailbone.

This article may be the stupidest thing I've ever read, and I'm pretty sure I'm now dumber for having seen it.

I love this article. It's the most interesting biology I've read in several months. I had the hiccups when I read it, and I tried the advice. Seriously, about two minutes of contemplating how I was so not a fish cured me. I'm astounded.

It might be a fluke. But I'm trying it the next time. This would be so awesome. Finally a weapon against hiccups.

crimson_192: This article may be the stupidest thing I've ever read, and I'm pretty sure I'm now dumber for having seen it.

Seriously? I hate the retarded hyperbole of "it's the worst/best thing I've ever read," and I hate "and I'm dumber for having seen it" even worse. It makes me wish it were true; I'd then encourage you to view the article several times in a row, effectively rendering you brain dead and unable to clog my screen with your inane blather.

/haha, fluke. I just got it.

He's actually full of shiat

The stomach is a large organ that can fold upon itself from time to time and the hiccups are it trying to straighten out, they ARE diaphram created pulses but they come from the same reflex that makes our chest bear down on the stomach for vomiting.

It is a reaction to trapped air, that's why actually eating on top of the hiccups can end them.

Try this next time you get them... go out of the office or house and leap side to side from one foot to another hard enough to feel your guts swing within you.

prjindigo: He's actually full of shiat

This part of TFA tipped me off:

Luckily, you do eventually stop trying to breathe through your gills when it dawns on your brain that you are actually a modern human, not a prehistoric fish.

That's either really crappy writing or an incredibly uninformed person. The brain does not work like that.

<b>lomans:</b> <i>I get nasty nasty hiccups.</i>

I never hiccup more than once. My wife and friends thought it was really creepy when they noticed that I just say "hiccups" and they stop. The article makes perfect sense because I've tried to explain to them that it isn't saying the word "hiccups" that does it, but some kind of mental activity associated with noticing that I have the hiccups.

Kome: That's either really crappy writing or an incredibly uninformed person. The brain does not work like that.

I think it was a combination of the writer not expressing his thoughts very well, trying to understand something pretty complex, and a little bit of poetic license. The Panda's Thumb article is pretty good and everything I've heard so far about Your Inner Fish has been very positive, including this hiccup thing. Since hiccups are caused by stimulation of the Phrenic nerve and controlled in the brain stem it does make sense that your higher brain functions can eventually get them to stop, overriding the more primitive reflex. Of course most of the "physical" solutions seem to work a little better, getting to the root of the problem as it were.

prjindigo: It is a reaction to trapped air, that's why actually eating on top of the hiccups can end them.

Everything I've been reading about hiccups talks about the brain stem and the nerves running between it and the diaphragm and various reasons why that nerve gets stimulated and causes the hiccup reaction.

entropic_existence: Kome: That's either really crappy writing or an incredibly uninformed person. The brain does not work like that.>

The Panda's Thumb article that TheMysteriousStranger linked to was much more informative than the article associated with this thread.

A couple years back I heard something on NPR about hiccups...they said that hiccups were caused by a de-synchronization of your digestive cycle, usually caused by ingesting something that is extremely different (and 'opposite' if one can make that case) than anything in your digestive system. The hiccup is a result of your brain trying to re-sync your digestive system.

Their cure was to think of what you have eaten over the course of the day, and think of something completely different or 'opposite' to eat, and it will sort of kick your digestive system back into sync.

Sounded like voodoo at first, until I tried it. It only took 10 minutes for the hiccups going away.

The remedies differ every time, of course, but usually lie in the realm of either dairy or citrus. Example, if I got the hiccups from drinking wine all night, a glass of milk cured my hiccups in 10 minutes. If I got hiccups from alfredo or ice cream or something, I usually drank lemon or orange juice and that cured it. Sometimes a shot of jack, or a piece of bread. All depends on what you ate before.

Works for me consistently, but I suppose it may not work for everyone.

// avoided the debate
// trolling sux
// go Darwin

Point of order: In some parts of the world, the phrase "piss off" means "go the hell away". In some parts of the world, it means "to make angry"

"Piss off Bevets" was meant to mean "Send Bevets into a frothing rage", not "Go away, Bevets"

Panda Thumb Article: "We can also block gill breathing by stretching the wall of the chest, just as we can stop hiccups by inhaling deeply and holding our breath."

Gotta try that sometime.

Does not approve

Any time a I'm around someone who gets the hiccups I tell them to do it again. "C'mon, hiccup for me. Now!" They can't. If they try to naturally hiccup again, it doesn't work. Hiccups are gone immediately. I don't know why it almost always works, but it does. Maybe just somethin' to try next time...

Every one to two months, I get VERY bad hiccups that last 1-2 hours, sometimes longer. I've tried everything (including thinking I'm not a fish) and the only thing that works is to drink a spoonful of:

Hot sauce *gives* me the hiccups. Strange.

The last time I had the hiccups it was due to a piece of food that I apparently didn't chew well enough blocking the opening to my intestine. This article may have some truth to it, but it's full of suck.

So, maybe L. Ron Hubbard had something going on with that clam thing...

/ya' know, the clam thing...

actually, holding my breath for 10 seconds works every time, no matter how severe the case of hiccups is.

Hector Remarkable: So, maybe L. Ron Hubbard had something going on with that clam thing...

/ya' know, the clam thing...

I know the clam thing... and the answer is no.

What a crock of shiat, a waste of research dollars. When someone suggests a topic like this some one should just be like "get your scientist ass back in the cancer lab! Hiccups again, what a bunch of idiots..."