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(Chicago Breaking News)   From Prostitutes to Superbowl tickets, how defense contractors cheated the US government of millions and put our troops at risk. Hint: They charged up to $45 per can of soda   (chicagotribune.com ) divider line
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2008-02-25 12:58:49 PM  
I, for one, salute the sacrifices these contractors had to make as we privatized our military's logistics chain.
 
2008-02-25 01:15:36 PM  
a quote taken by eqtworld (with enough for context) of:

Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation

January 17, 1961

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence - economic, political, even spiritual - is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central, it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present - and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

full version here (new window)
 
2008-02-25 01:23:46 PM  
Why does subby hate America?
 
2008-02-25 02:26:22 PM  
Halliburto Delenda Est.
 
2008-02-25 03:24:02 PM  
Why it sounds like those defense contractors are aiding the terrorists and should be locked up in Gitmo for years without legal representation.
 
2008-02-25 03:24:11 PM  
TFA: Spokeswoman Heather Browne wrote: "Ethics and integrity are core values for KBR."

Even she knows that's complete bullshiat.
 
2008-02-25 03:24:15 PM  
Considering shipping costs, the fact that ice is rare over there, and that they don't recycle, I think that a $45 soda isn't much to complain about.
 
2008-02-25 03:24:55 PM  
How much should it cost to ship a can of soda into a war zone?
 
2008-02-25 03:25:22 PM  
Was it at least Cyrstal Pepsi?

www.mediaknows.com
 
2008-02-25 03:25:23 PM  
Hooker trifecta in play?
 
2008-02-25 03:26:10 PM  
Submitter should shut it, because these patriotic contractors are defending our rights and keeping the terrorists over there!
 
2008-02-25 03:26:53 PM  
It is good to hear that some of these people are getting indicted.

Still, I always wonder how some in our military seem so ferociously loyal to a government that doesn't care about them anywhere near as much as they care about the next big contract.
 
2008-02-25 03:26:59 PM  
Vic Sage: How much should it cost to ship a can of soda into a war zone?

please, the military is acting as private security for their/our corporate masters.
 
2008-02-25 03:27:10 PM  
Can we make this an executable offense?
 
2008-02-25 03:27:13 PM  
At least, it appears, that some of these criminals are being made accountable.

/They should be armed in chain mail, given spears, and be forced to patrol Iraq as a phalanx until the last one is killed.
 
2008-02-25 03:27:27 PM  
img511.imageshack.us
 
2008-02-25 03:27:52 PM  
tweekster: Can we make this an executable offense?

You'd think it would be a form of treason, no?
 
2008-02-25 03:28:11 PM  
Khan "provided Seamans with a prostitute as a present,"

They're doing it wrong. Ohhhhh, Seamans.
 
2008-02-25 03:28:36 PM  
This is a surprise how?
 
2008-02-25 03:29:16 PM  
I Said: tweekster: Can we make this an executable offense?

You'd think it would be a form of treason, no?


Now that is definitely an interesting idea. Now we just need a federal prosecutor with some balls to try it. File charges of treason against a defense contractor and every employee that dealt with the paperwork, from top to bottom.
 
2008-02-25 03:29:18 PM  
dude the cans of soda over there are from local distributors... the cans are in arabic for crying out loud!!! they are charging for shipping when shipping isn't a cost...
 
2008-02-25 03:29:33 PM  
what does ice have to do with anything? $45 is absurd even with shipping cost.
 
2008-02-25 03:29:49 PM  
Vic Sage: How much should it cost to ship a can of soda into a war zone?

I'm thinking somewhere around $911 dollars per case is a pretty good figure. Iraq is very troubled, and we know how much they love to attack us. So when you see that Pepsi truck drive by, please give a salute for their heroism.
 
2008-02-25 03:29:57 PM  
Further reason to get rid of any War-supporting Republican (and Democrat) in the November elections.
 
2008-02-25 03:30:11 PM  
As an ex-government contractor, I'm chortling merrily through my walrus mustache and monocle.

/Kick, etc
 
2008-02-25 03:30:20 PM  
www.movieactors.com

"You don't actually think they spend $20,000.00 on a hammer, $30,000.00 on a toilet seat do you?"
 
2008-02-25 03:30:45 PM  
I hope it was Coke, because Pepsi sucks.
 
2008-02-25 03:31:04 PM  
potty mouth: dude the cans of soda over there are from local distributors... the cans are in arabic for crying out loud!!! they are charging for shipping when shipping isn't a cost...

Well...someone has to load the vending machines. They don't just hop from the truck into the machines by themselves you know.
 
2008-02-25 03:31:09 PM  
Friendly Neighborhood Pervert: Khan "provided Seamans with a prostitute as a present,"

They're doing it wrong. Ohhhhh, Seamans.


That statement would be funnier if the first two nouns were reversed.

/Tengo nada. Except spunk.
 
2008-02-25 03:31:10 PM  
This is why conservatism is my politicsl philosophy; this type of behavior happens at every level of government, without fail. to minimize the waste of public funds, we must keep government as small as possible.

For those who think socialized medicine will save money..look for defnse spending and realize its going to work pretty much the same way.
 
2008-02-25 03:31:13 PM  
I Said: /They should be armed in chain mail, given spears, and be forced to patrol Iraq as a phalanx until the last one is killed.

Now that's some cruel and amusing punishment.
 
2008-02-25 03:31:15 PM  
WayneKerr: I think that a $45 soda isn't much to complain about

That's rich.
 
2008-02-25 03:31:36 PM  
tweekster: Now that is definitely an interesting idea. Now we just need a federal prosecutor with some balls to try it. File charges of treason against a defense contractor and every employee that dealt with the paperwork, from top to bottom.

I just lit up with joy at the thought of that. It will never happen, but I can dream.
 
2008-02-25 03:31:45 PM  
The cans of soda have to meet stringent guidelines before a single on can be used.

This costs money.

Inferior products begets inferior services.

Sheesh. It's not like you are paying for it.
 
2008-02-25 03:32:11 PM  
Thank you American Defense/Industry complex. I hate the good ole' boy crap that costs this country enough money to probably fund a free KY wrestling match to each frat house (girls included).
 
2008-02-25 03:32:17 PM  
Lumber Jack Off: what does ice have to do with anything?

He only goes over there to boost his career, and to boost the soldiers' desire to kill.
 
2008-02-25 03:32:39 PM  
incrdbil: This is why conservatism is my politicsl philosophy; this type of behavior happens at every level of government, without fail. to minimize the waste of public funds, we must keep government as small as possible.

For those who think socialized medicine will save money..look for defnse spending and realize its going to work pretty much the same way.


I also think that companies found to be abusing public funds should be banned forever from receiving government contracts (yes I know there would be ways around that but atleast it would be slightly more difficult)
 
2008-02-25 03:32:43 PM  
WayneKerr: Considering shipping costs, the fact that ice is rare over there, and that they don't recycle, I think that a $45 soda isn't much to complain about.

What does ice have to do with a soda can? You don't need to keep it cold to ship it.
 
2008-02-25 03:32:47 PM  
yeah but the crackers and bread were free
 
2008-02-25 03:32:55 PM  
Shabbir KHAN
 
2008-02-25 03:32:57 PM  
I'm a defense contractor so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...well, actually I'm wearing a pair of new Edward Green Dover Split Toe's, so one of my employees will be kicking on my behalf.
 
2008-02-25 03:33:04 PM  
Just wait until you hear about KBR's "burn pit". Ah, the unbridled corruption of a "cost plus" contract.
 
2008-02-25 03:33:06 PM  
I feel so proud to be an American every time someone utters the phrase: "they DIE for YOUR FREEDOM!"

Unless "they" is inalienable.. well, i just don't know.

/ignorance, it's bliss
 
2008-02-25 03:33:12 PM  
As a legitimate contractor who sells to the military at a very good price, I am getting a kick.

Am I doing it wrong?
 
2008-02-25 03:33:35 PM  
not news.
but then again, i live in miami.
 
2008-02-25 03:33:51 PM  
Atomic_Puppy: Further reason to get rid of any War-supporting Republican (and Democrat) in the November elections.

Well, in Hillary's defense, she wanted the president to have the authority to go to war, but didn't want the president to go to war. She just didn't see the buildup. She had no idea what she was doing. The poor woman truly thought that he wouldn't actually do it. . .BULLshiat.
 
2008-02-25 03:34:04 PM  
Do we really have time to worry about these real problems? There's a picture of Obama in native garb out there!
 
2008-02-25 03:34:05 PM  
WayneKerr: Lumber Jack Off: what does ice have to do with anything?

He only goes over there to boost his career, and to boost the soldiers' desire to kill.


I can't tell if you're being serious or facetious at this point.
 
2008-02-25 03:34:19 PM  
This is a tough one because I like to see the punishment fit the crime. Hmm...
I think the only equal punishment for this brand of asshattery involves slowly submerging the profiteers into a vat of highly concentrated sulferic acid, letting the chemistry work completely before dipping them in some more. Yup, that would be fair in this case.

/serious
 
2008-02-25 03:34:23 PM  
45 bucks to ship something all the way across the globe, refridgerated, (probably by air)? that's cheap imho.

the kickback stuff is horrible though.
 
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