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2002-10-30 01:11:15 PM  
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2002-10-30 01:13:22 PM  
i guess my theory is that guys, although perheaps much sneakier than women on a whole, also come in the non-sneaky flavor. every woman, however, has the built-in capability to be a complete flake and mean everything she says to you about love while also cheating on you and at the same time being in love with two other men simultaneously. all that emotion that pours out of her is essentially meaningless and random, whether seemingly genuine and directed at you, or in response to absolutely nothing ("i'm crying because there's a baby on tv!"). so i suppose it's understandable that guys give up at trying to find reason in something so existentially absurd and just fark around.
 
2002-10-30 01:15:45 PM  
A friend of mine used to say if he ever caught his wife cheating he would just grab a baseball bat pull up a chair next to the bed, sit down and just tell them both to finish.
 
2002-10-30 01:17:06 PM  
of course, my theory that garth brooks and denzel washington are actually the same man hasn't panned out, so i could be wrong :-)
 
2002-10-30 01:18:51 PM  
Cheating...what does that mean? I enjoy a good romp now and then and that is it...does not mean I do not love my girl but hey...sometimes you need a little extra or something different.
 
2002-10-30 01:19:57 PM  
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Anybody who watches my show knows this
 
2002-10-30 01:22:41 PM  
Suppose if it wasn't women who got to decide whether or not to keep babies, there would be less deadbeat dads?

Explain.
 
2002-10-30 01:35:11 PM  
Mikey65 -

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2002-10-30 02:30:16 PM  
I haven't had a girlfriend in about 10 months. I was recently thinking that maybe I should go out and get one, then I read all this and remembered...THEY'RE ALL NUTS!!!!

Sorry ladies, but every last one of you is nuts! Could you imagine if men acted like women, they'd lock us up!

The only thing I really miss is the steady sex. Women are just too weird to make any sense, I'm so glad I'm single!
 
2002-10-30 02:33:10 PM  
Some of you don't seem to understand that ovulating is not menstrating. Ovulation occurs about 1/2 way thru the cycle.
There is no reason not to be sexually active during ovulation as long as you don't want to avoid pregnancy.
 
2002-10-30 02:33:53 PM  
On the subject of women being emotional and devious... I had a bad experience.

I'll state for the record that some (not all) women can be so devious on the inside while maintaining a complete emotional brainwash on the outside it's downright scary.

I lived with a woman for five years. She went to study in England for a semester (we were both in school at the time). She called me all the time and we kept very close - we planned on getting married soon after she got back. One of her favorite subjects to talk about was how all these other American chicks were over there cheating on their boyfriends and how strange it was. She'd say things like "I can't believe they'd do that" and I'd say things like "I'm so glad I can trust you".

Six months after she gets back from England she disappears without a trace. Cleaned my house out, drained the bank accounts and left. Seems she had met a guy where she worked and he "understood" her more than I did.

Then come to find out through a friend of hers who she completely screwed over (another story) that she had been cheating on me the whole time she was in England. And it wasn't the first time.

I sued her ass in small claims court for the money she took. I won, despite her telling the judge that I "abused" her. When I questioned what abuse she referred to, she said "well, emotional abuse". Then she said I stalked her after she left me... even though I saw her twice during that three month period. She pulled out all the classic things she'd seen on lifetime movies. Abuse, stalking, afraid I'd hurt her, etc. etc. etc. Even turned on the old emotional waterworks... good enough to fool the judge. She looks at me and says "sir, you DO understand that she doesn't want to see you any more, don't you?" I said "yeah, I pretty much got that idea which is why I haven't seen her in three fricken months!". Asshat.

A few weeks after the small claims case I get a bill in the mail from her therapist. Of course I've gotta open this baby up... it's for "relationship counseling". ROFLMFAO. A few months with the new "work guy" and they are in counseling. Also she gained serious weight and they moved into a trailor. Sweet.

On another note - small claims court sucks. I was awarded over $1300 and never saw a dime. They won't try to collect it, she's just supposed to pay it when she can which can easily be never.
 
2002-10-30 02:34:43 PM  
Five months later he is in the delivery room and the lil' shaver that pops out is as african-american as african-american can be.

That reminds me of this story, I've seen many other variations over the years.

And let's get over the stereotype that women seem honest when they are being sneaky, but men are always honest if they seem honest.

And another thing: In my experience, women actually care about their offspring, regardless of who the father is. According to this forum, it doesn't work the other way around, guys only seem to care for kids if they are their own, if then. Odd.
 
2002-10-30 02:51:08 PM  
And another thing: In my experience, women actually care about their offspring, regardless of who the father is. According to this forum, it doesn't work the other way around, guys only seem to care for kids if they are their own

Yeah... that makes sense. It tends to be really hard to trick a woman into thinking a kid is hers when it isn't.
 
gia
2002-10-30 02:54:37 PM  
My theory on the females-in-the-same-house-ovulating-at-the-same-time thing...

Women rarely start their period on the exact same day every single month, so you're bound to get off one or two or three days each month. If three women start on different days when they move in with each other, they'll eventually sync up in a couple months.
 
2002-10-30 02:57:17 PM  
Geez, no wonder some of you are single or only seem to run into crazy women. No sane woman could put up with that much whining and bitterness. So you only seem to see women cheating? Hmm..maybe it's because you only date women. As a woman who dates men, all of my bad experiences have been with men. All men must suck then, right? Please.

I'm sure that women who would cheat probably DO cheat more during ovulation. That doesn't break down to all women cheating, though. I am married. We have been together for 6 years all together and never once during that time since we decided to not see other people have I cheated or even imagined cheating on him, though there would be opportunity enough if I wanted to.

Who do you think all these women are cheating with anyway? A lot of times it's other married men at work, so it goes both ways.

And I thought that Lifetime channel was bad! You angry Farkers should have your own network so you can wallow in your own self-pity and loathing of women. 'Not My Baby: the Farker Smith Story'
 
2002-10-30 02:59:38 PM  
I wanted to add it seems reasonable for men to not care for children that are not theirs. There must be SOME negatives to cheating, and if they cheat and wind up with a kid they have to try and support themselves, that seems pretty fair to me.
 
2002-10-30 03:02:18 PM  
I guess I'm not making sense (nothing new, there).

A woman gives birth. The child is hers (even if it was a dontated egg it grew inside her for nine months, I'd call it hers). The sperm could come from anywhere: hubby, boyfriend, donor, space aliens.

Guys get all hung up over where the sperm comes from. They freak if it isn't theirs. If there is deception involved (the woman cheated and became pregnant) then of course the guy should be upset. But what if the guy was cheating at the same time? Just because the guy doesn't have a baby to show for it (or doesn't know he has a baby), does that mean it's OK that he cheats?

Here's one point I'd like to bring up: Some guys will raise a child and find out when the kids is ten or twelve or so that it is not his. All of a sudden the guy does what? He LEAVES. Is this fair to the ten year old kid that always called him 'Dad?'

The mom who has a kid? Even if she isn't sure of who the father is, she'll love the kid, in my experience. The dad? Introduce any doubt that he is the father, and he's screaming for blood tests and packing his shiat.

OK, so no point really. I just bristle when people take it out on the kids cuz their spouse cheated. And I take exception to the thought that you cannot love someone who is not your biological offspring.

I'll try and lighten up, sorry :-(
 
2002-10-30 03:06:00 PM  
TheGasPasser

A few weeks after the small claims case I get a bill in the mail from her therapist. Of course I've gotta open this baby up... it's for "relationship counseling". ROFLMFAO. A few months with the new "work guy" and they are in counseling. Also she gained serious weight and they moved into a trailor. Sweet.

That's awsome! The last laugh is always the best!
 
2002-10-30 03:06:13 PM  
And another thing: In my experience, women actually care about their offspring, regardless of who the father is. According to this forum, it doesn't work the other way around, guys only seem to care for kids if they are their own, if then. Odd.

How is this odd? Women care about their own offspring, men care about their own offspring. Where is the discrepancy? WTF are you talking about?
 
2002-10-30 04:05:44 PM  
Kylie: I'm taking that as a compliment. Thank you.

Shame I can't use this article on my cheating bastard ex-boyfriend.

Damn.
 
2002-10-30 04:07:36 PM  
It would be a whole lot easier if EVERYONE cheated. That way no one can blame anyone else -- just enjoy yourselves while your here. After all, I'll bet not one farker has an empty closet. There are bones everywhere! Look, there's one now...
 
2002-10-30 04:08:43 PM  
How is this odd? Women care about their own offspring, men care about their own offspring. Where is the discrepancy? WTF are you talking about?

a woman is far more likely to care for her husbands child (or boyfriends or whatever) even if it was born while they were together, then a man is to care for a child born to his girlfriend/wife if it isn't his.

Probably the whole maternal instincts thing. Women are more caring and all that jazz.
 
2002-10-30 04:42:03 PM  
Numberz:

When your "child" becomes a breathing reminder of your siginifgant other's treachery, it is unfortuneate for that child. The "father" shouldn't have to keep contact if he finds the fact traumatic.

I'll stick to my position until a husband can come home one day and say, "Hey dear, this is little Jonny. My mistress had him and tests prove he's mine. Sorry about the cheating thing, let's be one big happy family." Or do you think that most women would be so noble to say, "Sure thing honey, any child of yours is a child of mine!" =p

If Mom wants to be a lying, cheating biatch, she's the one wrecking the family and deserves the consequeces, including the crash course in being a single mother. If ladies cheat and fark up, they need to do what one of my ex's did when she cheated on her ex of ten years and wanted to save a her relationship, _get a freakin' abortion_.
 
2002-10-30 04:50:49 PM  
"a woman is far more likely to care for her husbands child (or boyfriends or whatever) even if it was born while they were together, then a man is to care for a child born to his girlfriend/wife if it isn't his."

Do you have any statistics or any proof whatsoever to back up this claim, or just sexist stereotypes?

The issue here is that you CANNOT trick a woman into thinking a baby is hers when it's really the man's baby with some other woman. It's extremely easy to do the exact opposite, trick a man into thinking a child is his when it's really some other guy's. Therefore, you can't compare anything because the symetrical situation DOES NOT EXIST.
 
2002-10-30 04:54:45 PM  
a woman is far more likely to care for her husbands child (or boyfriends or whatever) even if it was born while they were together, then a man is to care for a child born to his girlfriend/wife if it isn't his.

That depends on what you mean by "care for." In the sense of taking responsibility for raising the child I think this is obviously true, not only because of our societal prejudice that women are more fit to raise children (and hence court rulings that invariably favor the mother in custody battles), but also because biology dictates that it is impossible for a woman to have sex and then physically distance herself from the resultant baby (as a man can). She might abandon it, but she still has to carry it around for nine months, during which time she is likely to form some emotional attachment to it.

On the other hand, if by "care for" you mean "care about," I disagree. Again, by virtue of being literally attached to the child for nine months, a woman is much more likely to be figuratively "attached" to it than any man, even if he stays faithful to the woman. So the appeal to some vague notion of "maternal instinct" to explain the apparently greater likelihood of women caring about their children than men just betrays a confusion of the rather obvious biological model of cause and effect. That is, anything that might be called "maternal instinct" arises out of the fact that it is the women and not the men who are stuck with the baby de facto, rather than their keeping their babies and loving them more than men because of some fundamental emotional difference between the sexes.
 
2002-10-30 04:56:08 PM  
You know, not a lot of people on defending women today. Just because you've had a few bad experience doesn't mean all women are like that and if you think so well, you're the one with a problem.I have probablty been burn just a much of not more than you guys out there but if I were to start biatching about how ALL men were lying, cheating, immature, sexist pigs I'd have the whole lot of you jumping down my throat for the generalization. So here's a hint. Grow up!
P.S. I hate romantic movies and getting weepy. And I for one always try to be open and up front about my feelings as do most of the women I know.
 
2002-10-30 05:04:39 PM  
Er, sorry, on account of your typo (I think you meant "even if it was born while they weren't together) I interpreted you as meaning that a woman cares more for her own child than a man for his. Anyhow, disregard my above post as irrelevant, but I disagree with your statement nonetheless. As I understand it, basically you're saying that stepmoms (or stepmom figures) are more caring for their stepchildren than stepdads (or stepdad figures) are for theirs. The only way I could see this being true is if it were a statistical fact that stepmoms are more likely to have had previous children than stepdads are, and so they would be more likely to have warm feelings for children in general rather than on account of their sex.
 
2002-10-30 05:22:19 PM  
10-30-02 10:36:13 AM ScudEast
GMcG,
That was exactly what I was about to say. In other news men find menstrual women less attractive.


there's a difference between menstruation and ovulatation
 
2002-10-30 05:41:46 PM  
I can't help it...

There's also a difference between ovulatation and ovulation.

Although, reading the original comment, I took them to be saying that of course women cheat when they are ovulating, cuz they aren't attractive when they are menstruating.

I don't agree they aren't attractive, but I do know that in my house PMS can be deadly.
 
2002-10-30 05:50:22 PM  
Interesting numbers from the 2000 census...

Family households (families)
With own children under 18 years
34,588,368


Married-couple family
With own children under 18 years
24,835,505


Female householder, no husband present
With own children under 18 years
7,561,874


So out of all the non-married household families (total of 9,752,863, the difference between the first two numbers listed) there are over 7.5 million run by women. 77.5%.

That is if I'm understanding the numbers right, YMMV, prices slightly higher in Alaska and Hawaii, no salesman will call.
 
2002-10-30 06:02:32 PM  
Once more, before I go home, but I wanted to say something about this:

When your "child" becomes a breathing reminder of your siginifgant other's treachery, it is unfortuneate for that child. The "father" shouldn't have to keep contact if he finds the fact traumatic.


OK, that does make sense. I know a person (relative) who found out when his kid was FIFTEEN that he wasn't the dad. Mom knew all along but kept it quiet to not hurt his feelings (they married quickly when they found out she was pregnant)

So YES it is unfortunate, and YES it was treachery (if anything a high school kid qualifies for that significant of a word), so now the kid is paying for it by not seeing her dad after FIFTEEN years of thinking he was her father.

I'm sorry, but that ain't right. Biology or no, he is the father of this child.
 
Isa
2002-10-30 06:05:55 PM  
I am on depo. Do the rules apply to me if i believe ina monogomous relationship, don't ovulate and don't menstruate?
 
2002-10-30 06:24:48 PM  

Numbers You say, "And another thing: In my experience, women actually care about their offspring, regardless of who the father is. According to this forum, it doesn't work the other way around, guys only seem to care for kids if they are their own, if then. Odd."

Lets look at the percentage of genes from both parents a baby contains in two cases.

Case 1: Cuckooed

% from father :  0%

% from mother : 50%

Case 2: Not Cuckooed

% from father : 50%

% from mother : 50%

Now whats odd

is that you can't put two and two together. You are wrong if my asspumtion, that emotional love/care is simply an evolutionary adaptation, is true.

In no case does the mother's percentage of genetic material change. In both cases she equally benefits from the spent time and affections; happily contributing to HER genetic heritiage.

In the one case for the father, his time and affections are wasted on offspring with out any of his genes.

WTF?! How is it odd that he doesnt care in the worst case for him?


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As for a man who finds out his 10 year old isn't his, I'm sorry to say that he has is no longer dealing with a cheating mother, but a seperate innocent human being who has come to depand on him on many fifferent levels.

So to avoid this scary "later term" case, a paternity test should be done at birth or from amniotic fulid collections. Unfortunately the man would have to be a jerk to ask for such a thing. Talk about unfair :(

 
2002-10-30 06:39:25 PM  
I mean, REALLY horny. It sucks becuase it's when I can't do anything!

Why not? Ovulation happens a couple of days before the period starts...

Why women's cycles sync
another
 
2002-10-30 06:40:31 PM  
correction, ovulation happens a couple of WEEKS before the period beings...
 
2002-10-30 06:59:36 PM  
Check out the book The Third Chimpanzee. It's pop anthropology, sure, but it does make the point that human beings are one of the few species in which the female will engage in sexual congress outside the times of peak fertility. The human sexual drive cannot then be reduced simply to a latent desire to pass on the best possible genes -- otherwise, copulation at other times would waste valuable calories. Humans seem to be designed to enjoy sex.
 
2002-10-30 07:03:34 PM  
Humans and dolphins are the only two creatures which enjoy sex (or is it mammals?).
This research leaves out the need for security and comfort, and loyalty...obviously there is more to it than just passing genes...but that's part of it. :)
 
2002-10-30 07:23:37 PM  
Interesting follow up to the BBC story regarding Morgan Wise.

Cuckold stuck supporting another guy's children

Seems like he was screwed from both ends.
 
2002-10-30 07:41:20 PM  
I'd like to see the farking statistics on men who have cheated on their girlfriends, wives, signifigant others. Woman are most likely to cheat during ovulation because of instinct. We just want to get farking laid over and over again...its not a secret that we woman can be as bad as cats in heat..now if you men could get over it being a little messy I'm pretty sure you'd be hardpressed to be able to get out of bed we'd exhaust you too much...so here it is..get it up or shut up
 
2002-10-30 07:59:05 PM  
Numberz:

Assumption 1:
"I'm that kid's biological father."

Assumption 2:
"My wife isn't sleeping with other men and having their children."

Now if I can spend fifteen years with a woman and stop being her husband when assumption #2 is proven false, why should assumption #1 have any more staying power?
 
2002-10-30 08:20:46 PM  
What about dogs? They seem to enjoy humping anything in sight.
 
2002-10-30 08:23:12 PM  
One study suggested that one in 10 children are being raised by men who are unaware that they are not the father.

SO.FHAKED.UP.
 
2002-10-30 08:30:40 PM  
Despite all the arguments, I'd be hurt if I found out that my son wasn't mine. Can't help it. It's part of who we are.
Can't help looking at boobs either. Chemistry.
 
2002-10-30 08:36:34 PM  
hmm....amazing how many people are confusing menstruation with ovulation...women included...
 
2002-10-30 08:45:27 PM  
This should have an obvious tag, my gf gets kinda antsy when she starts to ovulate.
 
2002-10-30 09:30:41 PM  
A husband who finds out that his kid is not his when the kid is 12 should not have to support the kid because that emotional attachment between the kid & the father is based on a LIE. The mom was unfaithful to the husband & to God's commandment. There are consequences to partaking of that which is forbidden. Lots of suffering is necissary as a proper punishment. Its called justice. Its called fairness. If the man is kind & forgiving enough to still support the 2, that is his decision, but the courts have no possible place to judge that the man must be chained down into supporting a kid that was made from his wife's treachery.
 
2002-10-30 10:41:55 PM  
All of you saying it is perfectly OK for a man to walk out on a ten, twelve, or fifteen year old child that he has always considered and treated his own because a paternity test came back different...

how many kids do you have?

To keep the math simple: 10 year old.

If it were my kid (my kids aren't that old yet) that would have meant 3,650 days and nights that I told them I loved them, that I tucked them in at night, that I hugged them and wanted the absolute best in the world for them. And if one night I found out that a strand of DNA came from somewhere else...

should not have to support the kid because that emotional attachment between the kid & the father is based on a LIE. The mom was unfaithful to the husband & to God's commandment. There are consequences to partaking of that which is forbidden

OK, this is what I don't agree with. You can just turn off love? "Oh, gee, God says I don't love you anymore, cuz mom got drunk one night almost eleven years ago and made a mistake. This is fair, this is just. Have fun in therapy! I'm outta here."

Give me a farking break. This is simply men looking for an excuse to get out of a commitment. And men write the laws, so they are supported by the courts (notice how women get custody in most cases).

If you are pissed at the mom, that's fine. Don't take it out on the kids. I guess I'm the only one here that feels that way (or just the only male?) Maybe I'm just farking stupid for loving kids. I don't think we should burden them with our adult bullshiat.
 
2002-10-30 11:10:23 PM  
all i know is, after seeing my cat in heat, meowing at anyone in sight, laying down and submissivly sticking her ass up in the air all day long, i will never look at women again with respect.

sure, men are also ruled by their pants, but i really never had much respect to begin with for us horny suckers who do such pathetic things for a piece of tail.

"love" makes me sick. im going to bed.
 
Mex
2002-10-30 11:12:05 PM  
You know, sure, there's more "hotness" during ovulation, but they still have free will. I like to think if you love someone, you can restrain yourself from cheating. It's not like you are helpless.
 
2002-10-30 11:46:06 PM  
I wouldn't cheat UNLESS I fell in love with someone. And if that happened, I wouldn't be cheating for long...because the other guy would be gone. god, who would want more than one at a time?

Imagine if we were all "helpless" in curbing our sexual impulses. wow. It'd be like a porn film everywhere, all the time.
 
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