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2008-02-19 12:48:42 PM
"Both offer high definition DVD playback superior to standard DVD
players.

Where Sony had the killer edge is that its Playstation 3 (PS3)
computer games console comes pre-fitted with a Blu-ray player
"

Well...yeah, kinda. They fail to mention anything about the
difference in storage space and the fact that the blu-ray movies
seem to be packed with significantly more extras than the HD-DVD.
 
2008-02-19 12:49:11 PM
This should end well...
 
2008-02-19 12:58:21 PM
ChewbaccaJones: Well...yeah, kinda. They fail to mention anything about the
difference in storage space and the fact that the blu-ray movies
seem to be packed with significantly more extras than the HD-DVD.


So you mean they failed to say blu-ray was better than HD-DVD in almost every aspect but price?
 
2008-02-19 01:00:15 PM
I bought both, the cheapy Toshiba player and the PS3. I will admit I thought the hd-dvd would win, but I was prepared!
 
2008-02-19 01:11:20 PM
Ryan2065 - yep. Just strange that they would not compare
the two items more completely before implying that the sole reason
it won the format war was due to it being on the PS3. I am sure
that accessibility is a key reason Sony won; but not
mentioning the features seems a bit like saying:


"Well, a winner has been declared in the war between the Yugo
and Mercedes SLK350. Mercedes came out the clear winner.
Both are European cars capable of going the speed limit, run on four
wheels and can move both forward and in reverse; but Mercedes' had
the killer edge of being more widely available worldwide."
 
2008-02-19 01:13:23 PM
brokennewz - I thought HD-DVD would win too at first.
After the first few studios went to Blu-Ray I decided to wait it out. Now I guess I am getting a PS3...hell, I wanted to play "Resistance: Fall of Man" anyway, now I have an excuse.
 
2008-02-19 01:15:27 PM
ChewbaccaJones: brokennewz - I thought HD-DVD would win too at first.
After the first few studios went to Blu-Ray I decided to wait it out. Now I guess I am getting a PS3...hell, I wanted to play "Resistance: Fall of Man" anyway, now I have an excuse.


I'm kind of thinking the same way. My thoughts are that the PS3 will sell even better now. I'm very tempted to buy one to compliment my Wii.
 
2008-02-19 01:16:26 PM
ChewbaccaJones: After the first few studios went to Blu-Ray I decided to wait it out. Now I guess I am getting a PS3...hell, I wanted to play "Resistance: Fall of Man" anyway, now I have an excuse.

I'm holding off on getting a PS3 for a month or two. If the PS3 has no backwards capabilities and Microsoft announces a blu-ray addon to the Xbox 360 then I'll get the Xbox over the PS3
 
2008-02-19 01:21:00 PM
PS3 is the first PS system I have ever owned, I will admit it kicks ass.

BTW...anyone wanna buy Planet Earth on HD-DVD.....cheap?
 
2008-02-19 02:23:28 PM
I was lured into buying a PS3 anyways because of Metal Gear Solid 4, so I'm glad the Blu-Ray thing will prove to be a bonus.
 
2008-02-19 02:25:33 PM
Ryan2065: ChewbaccaJones: After the first few studios went to Blu-Ray I decided to wait it out. Now I guess I am getting a PS3...hell, I wanted to play "Resistance: Fall of Man" anyway, now I have an excuse.

I'm holding off on getting a PS3 for a month or two. If the PS3 has no backwards capabilities and Microsoft announces a blu-ray addon to the Xbox 360 then I'll get the Xbox over the PS3


What do you mean by backward compatibility? If you mean to play DVDs, it does and even contains an awesome upscaler. My regular DVDs never looked better on it.

If you mean PS1/PS2 games, it does depending on the model you get.
 
2008-02-19 02:30:48 PM
othan1: If you mean PS1/PS2 games, it does depending on the model you get.

This is what I mean and Sony quit offering the backwards compatibility with their new models. I won't be in the market to buy till June/July (4 to 5 months I guess... Oh so long...) and at that point it will be pretty expensive to get the ones that are backwards compatible if Sony doesn't start offering it again.
 
2008-02-19 02:56:18 PM
brokennewz: I bought both, the cheapy Toshiba player and the PS3. I will admit I thought the hd-dvd would win, but I was prepared!

Having now seen both, they are both nice, but I think the menu interface on the HD DVD is a little slicker. Other than that, the sound and picture quality seem to be the same.
 
2008-02-19 03:28:25 PM
Echoic can show up now and tell me how stupid I am, but I'm still quite happy with my hd-a1 purchase :) 7 movies in hi-def for less than $150.

Meanwhile, My ps3 will be here tomorrow according to the UPS tracking number. 20-gigger so I can have real backward compatibility - because regardless of how much echoic screams, no stores within 20 miles of me (capital of my state) had 20-gig or 60-gig ps3s. All I could find were spider-man 40-giggers, which offer *NO* backward compatibility (hardware OR software).
 
2008-02-19 03:33:03 PM
ChewbaccaJones: brokennewz - I thought HD-DVD would win too at first.
After the first few studios went to Blu-Ray I decided to wait it out. Now I guess I am getting a PS3...hell, I wanted to play "Resistance: Fall of Man" anyway, now I have an excuse.


That game ain't half bad, but I highly recommend Warhawk, that game is all kinds of awesome.
 
2008-02-19 03:33:36 PM
Wow... 4 links regarding BD/HD-DVD today, and it ain't even 4pm EST time yet.

/and now for something completely different!
 
2008-02-19 03:35:10 PM
Grither: I highly recommend Warhawk

Speaking of which, has anyone bought the expansion pack, Omega Dawn? Do enough people play online with it to make it worth my while? The Resistance expansion pack was totally useless, as no one else seemed to have it...
 
2008-02-19 03:35:29 PM
Yeah, but unfortunately, Sony sacrificed the PlayStation brand just to get a hand in the home video market.

How's that one working out, Sony?
 
2008-02-19 03:39:37 PM
voramyr: I wouldn't be so quick to judge sony in this case. The PS3 is now positioned to be THE premier blu-ray player for a while... That could carry over to revive the brand as a game console as well...
I hate sony, bought a wii and an hd-dvd player, but I can still recognize what this could mean for sony...
 
2008-02-19 03:43:36 PM
I sincerely doubt it. Just look at where the PS3 is now. It's dead last in the gaming wars; and that's what matters. Games. The PS3 was delayed in order to put Bluray in it, and it is evident that Sony was perfectly willing to sacrifice their gaming division to break into the home video market.
 
2008-02-19 03:45:55 PM
Ryan2065: othan1: If you mean PS1/PS2 games, it does depending on the model you get.

This is what I mean and Sony quit offering the backwards compatibility with their new models. I won't be in the market to buy till June/July (4 to 5 months I guess... Oh so long...) and at that point it will be pretty expensive to get the ones that are backwards compatible if Sony doesn't start offering it again.


get a PS2 for cheap
 
2008-02-19 03:47:05 PM
Eh... it was the refusal to continue backwards compatibility that made me lose respect for Sony. Way to shiat on your customers.
 
2008-02-19 03:48:09 PM
MonkeyVegetables: get a PS2 for cheap

I don't really like that option. I'd rather have everything all in one system.

Is the Xbox 360 backwards compatible with the Xbox?
 
2008-02-19 03:49:36 PM
Ryan2065: MonkeyVegetables: get a PS2 for cheap

I don't really like that option. I'd rather have everything all in one system.

Is the Xbox 360 backwards compatible with the Xbox?


For just about game that sold more than 100 copies, yep.
 
Oak
2008-02-19 03:49:43 PM
Voramyr: I sincerely doubt it. Just look at where the PS3 is now. It's dead last in the gaming wars; and that's what matters. Games. The PS3 was delayed in order to put Bluray in it, and it is evident that Sony was perfectly willing to sacrifice their gaming division to break into the home video market.

You will not be saying that by the end of '08.

/"...and PRINT IT!" - Lee Elia
 
2008-02-19 03:50:49 PM
That's what they said about '07, Oak.

Every 6 months it's "wait until " from the Sony fans.
 
2008-02-19 03:51:50 PM
A PS3 is the only Blu-Ray player you should even consider getting, for the time being, until the BR 2.0 players start coming out -- which add network connectivity. At least the PS3 will be fully upgradeable to the 2.0 standard, since it already has all of the necessary hardware.

I suspect we'll see an XBox 360 Blu-Ray player come out very soon. People wonder why Microsoft didn't embed HD-DVD? Because they wanted to be able to switch to either format should the other lose out. Microsoft isn't stupid like Sony -- Sony took a HUGE risk that BR would be the winner. They just got lucky this time around.

For what it's worth, I still think movies on my AppleTV in 720p look almost as good as movies on my PS3. There's a small bit of detail loss, but unless you're looking for it, it's unnoticeable. I'll probably only buy a few dozen BR movies (I have 1400 on DVD), because unless I'm going to watch it more than 6-7 times, it's still cheaper (and faster) to just rent it via iTunes.
 
2008-02-19 03:52:59 PM
Grither :
That game ain't half bad, but I highly recommend Warhawk, that game is all kinds of awesome.

I agree. I recently got Call of Duty 4, after all the hype its multiplayer got, and was sorely disappointed. It's amateur hour compared to Warhawk, both in terms of strategy, scope, and online stability/performance (Warhawk is comparable in scope to Battlefield 2, but implemented better). All CoD 4 has going for it is the weapon upgrades with rank. Don't get me wrong, it's a great game, but once you get the hang of Warhawk, it feels like every other FPS out there.
 
2008-02-19 03:54:17 PM
As a friend put it, X-Box 360's potential has been tapped with some of these new games. PS3 isn't being fully utilized yet, and likely it's full-potential won't be seen for a few years.

Just like PS2.

/Still debating 360 vs PS3
 
2008-02-19 03:54:19 PM
The HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray battle wasn't decided by consumers at all, it was already fought and won in the backroom deals between studios and Sony. The only thing the consumer was allowed to decide was whether to buy the system that had all the movies or the system that had almost no movies.

If Microsoft pulled a stunt like this you people would be demanding Gates' head on a pike.
 
2008-02-19 03:54:59 PM
I just wonder if there were any games really worth playing on the PS3 how it would've worked out. No games to play you may as well watch movies on it.
 
2008-02-19 03:55:07 PM
Grither:
Speaking of which, has anyone bought the expansion pack, Omega Dawn? Do enough people play online with it to make it worth my while?

People play it, but it's not really that great. The map is kinda cool, but the new vehicle has kind of sucked ever since people started using it as a single-person mass-kill machine, rather than as a transport/vehicle carrier. Not really worth the $8.
 
2008-02-19 03:57:56 PM
BOTH will lose.

Joe Bob likes his DVDs just fine, no need to drain the wallet on upgrades.

By the time Joe Bob is ready for that crap, the next format will win out.

HD DVD and BluRay are just LaserDisk II. The only people having serious discussions about this crap are tech heads with too much time and money...
 
2008-02-19 03:58:36 PM
The Super Nintendo didn't win the 16 bit game wars, and look how wonderfully that worked out for Sega. You can't predict a company's (companies? I'm tired, back off grammar police) viability based on one generation.
 
2008-02-19 04:00:19 PM
RoxtarRyan :
Eh... it was the refusal to continue backwards compatibility that made me lose respect for Sony. Way to shiat on your customers.

Yeah, whatever. They're still selling PS3's at a loss. You want them to cut the price AND keep all the features? Please. It's pretty apparent most people don't care anyway.

/60gb FTW
//still haven't taken advantage of the BC
 
2008-02-19 04:03:22 PM
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: RoxtarRyan :
Eh... it was the refusal to continue backwards compatibility that made me lose respect for Sony. Way to shiat on your customers.

Yeah, whatever. They're still selling PS3's at a loss. You want them to cut the price AND keep all the features? Please. It's pretty apparent most people don't care anyway.

/60gb FTW
//still haven't taken advantage of the BC


Well, why change anything unless it is an improvement? If you're willingly going to start cutting features to force customers to spend more money on additional hardware (or sell the consoles that weren't beforehand due to fear of not getting a b.w. compatible machine), that is kind of a dick move, just to try to break even.
 
2008-02-19 04:03:44 PM
the opposite of charity is justice: If Microsoft pulled a stunt like this you people would be demanding Gates' head on a pike.

Microsoft did this too...$150m to Paramount. Just didn't pay off for them.
 
2008-02-19 04:04:16 PM
And here I just went out and bought a Laserdisc player, does that mean I'm behind again?

/True
//Got it for Tron and Yuri ;>
 
2008-02-19 04:06:54 PM
Hmmm, Hi-def Tron would be wonderful.

I wonder if this means X-Box will throw out the external HD player and start making one for Blu-Ray?

-Vaportrail
 
2008-02-19 04:12:31 PM
Eh... it was the refusal to continue backwards compatibility that made me lose respect for Sony. Way to shiat on your customers.

You mean like MS with Xbox360 or Nintendo for as long as they existed?
Even with software emulation, PS3 still has better backward compatibility than Xbox or Wii (unless you get the 40Gb one). Some older PS3s still have the emotion engine.
 
2008-02-19 04:15:17 PM
Cornwell: This should end well...

It already has.
 
2008-02-19 04:15:34 PM
Umm... Sony is going to win big in the digital content wars too, because Netflix is working with Sony to bring streaming HD to the PS3.

Add in Play TV, which will turn a PS3 into a DVR and hits Europe this year (Q2?) and Sony is on it's way to seeing a huge turn around.

Add in connectivity with the PSP, and it looks like soon the PSPhone-- things just keep getting better for the PS3 as a media player.

As far as games go-- the "It's the games" mantra touted by Xbox fans just doesn't ring true. The Wii is outselling the XBox like crazy, and it's catalogue of games isn't much more impressive then the PS3-- I mean, what, they have Link and umm... Super Mario Galaxy, and umm... oh yeah, Link...

PS3 also has an impressive array of games coming out this year too, and most of the best Xbox games are multi-platform.

Xbox-- they've got nothing new or exciting coming out this year, other than more games. No Netflix, no DVR capability, no connectivity with a cellular or portable format. Sony's going to be riding high by the end of this year, and higher in the years after that.
 
2008-02-19 04:17:59 PM
TheNewJesus: BOTH will lose.

Joe Bob likes his DVDs just fine, no need to drain the wallet on upgrades.

By the time Joe Bob is ready for that crap, the next format will win out.

HD DVD and BluRay are just LaserDisk II. The only people having serious discussions about this crap are tech heads with too much time and money...


This.

I'm skipping it. I have no reason to upgrade.

Don't want to pay for extras. Don't want to deal with v1, v1.4, v2 etc. Don't have an hdtv. Retro gaming is where it's at. My modded xbox is way more useful than any of the modern consoles that I've played with. It doesn't look as nice, but I'm a function over fashion type.

/XBMC and emulators FTW
 
2008-02-19 04:18:47 PM
Ryan2065: MonkeyVegetables: get a PS2 for cheap

I don't really like that option. I'd rather have everything all in one system.

Is the Xbox 360 backwards compatible with the Xbox?


nope, they are supposedly making every game compatible at this time but due to the emulation they are doing it one game at a time and they have no timetable for anygame...

/bitter
 
2008-02-19 04:19:17 PM
Hey, subby - that horse you're kicking? Yeah, it's dead. Been dead for a while now. Thanks.


/death of HD-DVD needs this many goddamn articles?
//In other news, Heath Ledger is dead.
 
2008-02-19 04:19:55 PM
which is why i may go get an original box for cheap so i can play not yet added games
 
2008-02-19 04:20:12 PM
Microsoft now still have to option to release a BD Drive for the Xbox 360, and that's what I'm waiting for, a device to sit in my loungeroom and stream media and play BD movies.

That's if MS don't decide to move all their HD content online :(
 
2008-02-19 04:22:15 PM
woodstock827: Eh... it was the refusal to continue backwards compatibility that made me lose respect for Sony. Way to shiat on your customers.

You mean like MS with Xbox360 or Nintendo for as long as they existed?
Even with software emulation, PS3 still has better backward compatibility than Xbox or Wii (unless you get the 40Gb one). Some older PS3s still have the emotion engine.


The 360's list of bwc games continues to grow with each update; Sony is just downright refusing to continue support of it.

As for Nintendo, the Wii allows you to play games from nintendo, super nintendo, n64, gamecube, also sega systems, turbographx, and neo geo. If anything else, Nintendo is ahead.

/ouch.. did that nintendo list hurt you?
//methinks so!
 
2008-02-19 04:27:57 PM
Cutting software emulation out of the 40gig was a cost-cutting measure? BS.

However, I had previously thought the wii would take this round, but this really makes me rethink that stance. I'm definitely not saying PS3 is going to make a comeback and rule all, but I am saying this certainly brings PS3 dominance into the realm of the somewhat plausible. They're dead-last now, but if people start doing as I just did and figuring out economics, that could change. Consier this: add the cost of a wii to the cost of an upconverting dvd player and you can afford a PS3, which is one of the best blu-ray players on the market.

Sure, sony sucks. The way this format war was decided sucks. but oh well.
 
2008-02-19 04:30:10 PM
I think we should take a look back at the archives from two years ago where 99% of you said that putting Blu-ray in the PS3 was a horrible idea and would be the end of Sony.
 
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