liberalish: Cervical cancer at college age was not caused by anything done in college. The latency period is too long.

Yeah, I think she was slutty since early in high school. Continued it in the sorority. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. I've had some wonderful times with slutty girls.)

tonesskin:

*A study by the University of Missouri found that Greeks throughout the US and Canada are more involved on their campuses and rate their overall university experience better.

Well, if you consider "being in a frat" as "being involved on campus" then this is pretty obvious.

*The same study found that Greeks are more involved in their communities; and give more generously to their alma maters.

They are forced to be involved; and who cares if they donate to the university?

*Greeks form the largest network of volunteers in the U.S.-Nationally, Greeks volunteer approximately 10 million hours of community service annually.

Being forced to help; how altruistic.

/honestly have great friends who are Greek
//these points don't support the Greek system
///always thought it was funny how easily you can put Greeks on the offensive
////is jealous of the gay orgies

a.)Frats aren't forced to help. Everything is voluntary. I don't know where you're getting that.

b.) Being involved on campus means being involved in non-Greek activities, like intramurals with non-Greeks, running charities and student organizations that don't require Greeks, and at my school many of the Greek presidents were on the board to run the homecoming parades and safety programs.

c.) I don't believe you have friends who are Greek if you think all Greeks participate in gay orgies. Unless your friends happen to do that, in which case they don't completely represent the whole

NesteaPlunge

The only time frats are not gay is when they're date raping freshman girls.

Actually that would make it about 100% of the time!

/Ah..those were the days.
//Sorry you couldn't join us.

dogfood: Frat boys get this though!

So did I. I just didn't have to share it with 30 other guys.

Brenner104:

Beat me to it, but This.

Brenner104: *Nationally, 71% of all Greeks graduate, while only 50% of non-Greeks graduate.
*The All Greek GPA is higher than the overall collegiate GPA.
*Since 1910, 85% of the Supreme Court Justices have been Greek.
*85% of the Fortune 500 key executives are Greek.
*Of the nation's 50 largest corporations, 43 are headed by Greeks.
*76% of Who's Who in America are Greek.
*All but two Presidents since 1825 have been Greek.
*70% of the U.S. Presidents' cabinet members since 1900 have been Greek.
*76% of U.S. Senators are Greek.
*Both women appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court were sorority members.
*Over 85% of the student leaders on 730 campuses are members of Greek-letter organizations.
*Less then 2% of an average college students expenses go towards Greek membership dues.
*A study by the University of Missouri found that Greeks throughout the US and Canada are more involved on their campuses and rate their overall university experience better.
*The same study found that Greeks are more involved in their communities; and give more generously to their alma maters.
*Greeks form the largest network of volunteers in the U.S.-Nationally, Greeks volunteer approximately 10 million hours of community service annually.

I was in a Fraternity, not because I needed friends, I had plenty outside of it and still do, it was a great way to get involved and stay active.
With my house I've been Whitewater rafting 3 times, skydiving, scubadiving, 5 ski trips, been involved in many charitable events that truthfully I wouldn't have been involved in without others there to hold me responsible for giving back, and hundreds of my other favorite college memories. and the friends I made there are some of the closest outside of my three best friends I grew up with.
My house is also responsible for giving me a reason to work hard at community college to make sure I got back into school after hvaing fallen into depression and failing out of school. Feel free to insult or bash me with whatever unfounded and baseless accusations you can come up with now, just thought the other side and some facts would help.

Thread's over. Thanks for playing, everybody.

Ah Fark, home of broad sweeping generalizations...

I was heavily involved in my fraternity in college and with Greek Life there as a whole - helped out with campus greek-community charity events, greek week, was good friends with the presidents/exec of 2 of the sororities on campus. So I got a pretty good view of the range of organizations and people involved. I didn't join my fraternity until the second semester so I got a bit of perspective from both sides of the greek/non-greek issue.

Some misconceptions about greek life:

1 - Everyone in _______ fraternity is exactly the same as each other
-There is no "typical" frat, each organization is different. Some chapters garner a reputation for being asshats sure, but within each chapter there are a lot of different personalities. Sometimes when you see stupid crap happen (like the above article) its the result of a couple people in the chapter making stupid decisions.

2 - Frat kids pay crazy dues just to have friends!
-The dues you pay in a fraternity either go to housing, food (if your chapter offers meal plans) and/or money to run the organization. Nationally affiliated Fraternities have to buy insurance. This insurance is very expensive and it keeps the national organization out of trouble if a lawsuit comes into play. Chapters also have to pay fees to the national organization for rechartering and for when new members join. You also have bills for intramural sports, recruitment events, etc. This is the exact same thing as paying dues for any other organization on campus. And its really not as pricey per person as everyone seems to think. As someone mentioned above - a lot of the same things that a fraternity provides are stuff that you and your friends pay for out of pocket whenever you hang out.

3 - Frat parties are dangerous/irresponsible/etc...
-At my school fraternity parties were heavily monitored by the university and by police. We ran lists at the door, we had a no-cost sober driver on call until 3am (in case someone needed to get home and couldn't make it), we had bouncer-types roam the party to get rid of people who were fighting/being sketchy/etc. On the flip side, the non-greek parties at my school in the apartment complexes were routinely broken up by police, ended in violence (knife fights, guns drawn, brawls), had incidences of rape and heavy drug use. This is not true for every school but by and large this is the case as greek organizations are scrutinized and take precautions to stay safe.

4 - They're assholes, they won't let me in to _______ party they're having...
-Put yourself in the situation - you and your friends are throwing a party, with beer that YOU paid for out of pocket. Everyone that walks in the door to that party is your legal responsibility. A bunch of dudes show up that you don't know. Do you want them in your place? probably not. Something a lot of people don't realize - if a girl drinks a beer at my party, takes a taxi to another party that isn't mine & drinks 8 beers, gets hit by a car on the way home, I'm now legally responsible for her getting hurt because she says "i went to so-and-so frat party first" even though she got drunk at some other place.

Fraternities are a great experience. There's one for everybody. Do you like doing things like roadtrips and parties and social events (with large groups of girls, gasp!)? Do you like meeting other people that are not part of your immediate circle of friends? Probably. These are all things that a fraternity provides for you.

Don't believe stereotypes and generalizations about greek life, they're just not true.

*All but two Presidents since 1825 have been Greek.

Actually, it's all but two Presidents since 1825 have been Fraternity Members.

This includes Honorary Societies and Masons, which would not be considered part of the Greek system.

I'm still waiting for the two presidents that weren't members of a Fraternity.

Everyone who bashes on fraternities is basically just a jealous nerd. Ya that's right I said it, and you know it to be true in the dark parts of your souls that you dare not speak of but ponder in the depths of night right before you fall uneasily to sleep.

tonesskin: Assuming these are true...


The other Frat thread today (the house mom one) proved that these are wrong, or at least exaggerated. But the truth is that people who like to join things, do things, and be a part of something in college often join fraternities. They also join clubs, teams, councils, etc... But the greek system is full of people who like to be involved (very social people). I am willing to bet that these people would tend to be successful in business and politics.

/We who were in fraternities don't think we're better than you, it's just farking annoying to get the same insults over, and over, and over. Considering there are many legitimate complaints or issues that could be raised about the greek community (not that they don't happen in the general college/non-college population or in other organized groups) the only ones I ever hear are "You're ghey" and "You had to buy your friends". You always hear about all the stuff "we" do that I've never heard of happening, let alone seen, but everyone else seems to know all about it. I don't know where the animosity comes from.

Spookync: All these posts and only a few containing any Bruce.
FOR SHAME ON YOU ALL.

No problem.


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Brenner104: *Nationally, 71% of all Greeks graduate, while only 50% of non-Greeks graduate.
*The All Greek GPA is higher than the overall collegiate GPA.
*Since 1910, 85% of the Supreme Court Justices have been Greek.
*85% of the Fortune 500 key executives are Greek.
*Of the nation's 50 largest corporations, 43 are headed by Greeks.
*76% of Who's Who in America are Greek.
*All but two Presidents since 1825 have been Greek.
*70% of the U.S. Presidents' cabinet members since 1900 have been Greek.
*76% of U.S. Senators are Greek.
*Both women appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court were sorority members.
*Over 85% of the student leaders on 730 campuses are members of Greek-letter organizations.
*Less then 2% of an average college students expenses go towards Greek membership dues.
*A study by the University of Missouri found that Greeks throughout the US and Canada are more involved on their campuses and rate their overall university experience better.
*The same study found that Greeks are more involved in their communities; and give more generously to their alma maters.
*Greeks form the largest network of volunteers in the U.S.-Nationally, Greeks volunteer approximately 10 million hours of community service annually.


All you managed to prove with your stats is that a-hole-step-on-anyone-to-get-to-the-top-CEOs and cheese-dick-politician types are people you're likely to find in a frat.

/except for the community service, that's cool I guess

a_photoshop_voter: Brenner104: *Nationally, 71% of all Greeks graduate, while only 50% of non-Greeks graduate.
*The All Greek GPA is higher than the overall collegiate GPA.
*Since 1910, 85% of the Supreme Court Justices have been Greek.
*85% of the Fortune 500 key executives are Greek.
*Of the nation's 50 largest corporations, 43 are headed by Greeks.
*76% of Who's Who in America are Greek.
*All but two Presidents since 1825 have been Greek.
*70% of the U.S. Presidents' cabinet members since 1900 have been Greek.
*76% of U.S. Senators are Greek.
*Both women appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court were sorority members.
*Over 85% of the student leaders on 730 campuses are members of Greek-letter organizations.
*Less then 2% of an average college students expenses go towards Greek membership dues.
*A study by the University of Missouri found that Greeks throughout the US and Canada are more involved on their campuses and rate their overall university experience better.
*The same study found that Greeks are more involved in their communities; and give more generously to their alma maters.
*Greeks form the largest network of volunteers in the U.S.-Nationally, Greeks volunteer approximately 10 million hours of community service annually.


All you managed to prove with your stats is that a-hole-step-on-anyone-to-get-to-the-top-CEOs and cheese-dick-politician types are people you're likely to find in a frat.

/except for the community service, that's cool I guess


Jealous much?

Looks like the a call has gone out to the frat boy defense network and they're starting to turn out. Oh well, bashing the frat-fags was fun but I need to stop procrastinating and get some work done.

Ciao gay boys...

Gotta love skewing facts. It's "step-on-others-to-get-what-you-want", not "greek systems might actually develop leadership skills in people by providing opportunities to get involved in an organization such as a fraternity/sorority, and using the experience in that to access leadership positions elsewhere on campus, and later, throughout life".

/Works both ways.

wax_on: Looks like the a call has gone out to the frat boy defense network and they're starting to turn out. Oh well, bashing the frat-fags was fun but I need to stop procrastinating and get some work done.

Ciao gay boys...

Turn the emo music off on your way out please kthxbye.

Just figured I'd throw my two cents. Had a friend who was in a frat and when we were talking one night I asked him about all the hazing and stuff. He wouldn't talk. A few years later, after college, we were getting drunk ... and I mean really drunk ... and he started talking. I always had my suspicious, but was I shocked ... and aroused. I would have had him haze me if he could have stood up, but then the next morning might have been awkward.

wax_on: Looks like the a call has gone out to the frat boy defense network and they're starting to turn out. Oh well, bashing the frat-fags was fun but I need to stop procrastinating and get some work done.

Ciao gay boys...

Ah, the "You'rewrongbutI'mleavingnowbye!" argument. How can you argue with that?

Literally, how? Because they leave. They're gone. Damnit.

*76% of Who's Who in America are Greek.

Yay!

I am finally a 24 percenter.

/Who's Who is a joke.

T.M.S.: *76% of Who's Who in America are Greek.

Yay!

I am finally a 24 percenter.

/Who's Who is a joke.

You know what else is a joke? Snake-in-a-peanut-jar!

I had a point here but I forgot what it was.

Fact Man: T.M.S.: *76% of Who's Who in America are Greek.

Yay!

I am finally a 24 percenter.

/Who's Who is a joke.

You know what else is a joke? Snake-in-a-peanut-jar!

I had a point here but I forgot what it was.

I've always wanted one of those things.

Fact Man: T.M.S.: *76% of Who's Who in America are Greek.

Yay!

I am finally a 24 percenter.

/Who's Who is a joke.

You know what else is a joke? Snake-in-a-peanut-jar!

I had a point here but I forgot what it was.

I love that one.

/Yeah, WW is a joke. I mean, really, you have to pay to be in it? OK, I'll bite. It does what? okay.........

/Yeah, WW is a joke. I mean, really, you have to pay to be in it? OK, I'll bite. It does what? okay.........


They put you in the book for free. Then they ask you to buy it for something like $350.

Who's Who ... I thought you got in the book for free, but had to pay for the picture. My parents put me in it a couple years in high school. I wasn't exactly a start student. I did graduate #11 ... in a class of 60. 5 of which didn't even graduate. LOL

Props to Darkhorse for telling it like it is.

Also, if all the Anti-fraternity guys out there think that "paying for your friends," hanging out with other guys, drinking beer and talking about women is gay, I'd ask why the TotalFarkers pay every month to participate on an online forum with a bunch of other guys.

At least fratboys interact with women.

T.M.S.

Either way I'm not impressed.

/was invited or whatever to buy the Who's Who of American Students once.

mde5446: Props to Darkhorse for telling it like it is.

Also, if all the Anti-fraternity guys out there think that "paying for your friends," hanging out with other guys, drinking beer and talking about women is gay, I'd ask why the TotalFarkers pay every month to participate on an online forum with a bunch of other guys.

At least fratboys interact with women.

I thought I was the only guy here.

Darn

liberalish: T.M.S.

Either way I'm not impressed.

/was invited or whatever to buy the Who's Who of American Students once.

I'm not sure what you were suposed to be impressed by.

I find the frat hate around here to be really amusing. What drives some of you people to have such an irrational distaste for them? Its not surprising for the people here who do most of their socializing online, but it seems some of you are envious or something.

Fraternities aren't for everyone, but many of you have some serious issues if you have to resort to the "frats are gay because I don't like them" crap.

hmmm...

Great Odins Raven,

t's hardly irrational, having to work in a group project with several, my distaste is very much based on experience. I don't think they're gay, just immature jackasses conformists with an enormous sense of entitlement, and no respect for pretty much anything. Too much MTV in formative years, too little real life experience...

/and WAY too much Axe

i actually feel bad for the guys in the pictures. they look like they just desperately want to fit in, for the most part. it's like seeing what douchebags look like a few semesters before they turn.

darkhorse581: [not gonna quote the whole thing because it's damn long]

THAT.

When I came to college, I didn't have any intentions of joining a fraternity, but then I befriended several brothers of a certain fraternity, they gave me a lot of useful information, and I ended up pledging.

What I'm trying to say (and I'm sure someone's said it before in this thread) is that, sure, Greek life isn't for everyone. I didn't think it was right for me at first. I'm sure you had your own reasons for not joining. But just because you don't like it is no reason to start calling Brothers everywhere homos, fags, and gays (although in all fairness, sure, there are gay people in fraternities). We're not all a bunch of meathead drunks. Hell, I don't even drink and I'm one of the most un-athletic guys I know.

What these Delta Chis did is worse than awful, but before you start making generalizations, realize that not all fraternities all like that.

/uncle was a Delta Chi.

Fact Man: c.) I don't believe you have friends who are Greek if you think all Greeks participate in gay orgies. Unless your friends happen to do that, in which case they don't completely represent the whole

Apparently sarcasm isn't your strong suit.

Nothing wrong with fraternities per se, just the ones where people get drunk or stoned and do really dumb things. :)

I was never in a frat but my best friend was. I drove down to to visit him at his small school in MO. on a weekend when they were having an "import party"-which is to say they "imported" chicks from a neighboring college to come down and party with for a weekend. My buddy hooked up with one hottie the first night and while I tried valiantly the next night, I could only get to second base.

The real treat, however, was the pop tart that got passed around like a collection plate at a mega-church from one brother to another. I swear this chick was on a mission. I think she banged five guys in the space of two days in one house-the last one was when the whole house knew what was going on and we all busted open the door to see this gutterslut mid-coitus riding up and down bareback on this dude. To her credit, she did not stop.

Needless to say, I had a great weekend.

I found some of the guys to be tools but you will always find a couple in any crowd. Things are what you make of them, ghey or otherwise.

SinisterG: I think she banged five guys in the space of two days in one house-the last one was when the whole house knew what was going on and we all busted open the door to see this gutterslut mid-coitus riding up and down bareback on this dude. To her credit, she did not stop.

Wow that's pretty nasty. Why would you bust in on that? WHY?

Evil dead: the musical???

/dont know how i missed that
//goody little twoshoes!

I miss sorority girls.

why on earth would one have to drop out for cervical cancer? Sounds like she was a shiatty student looking for an excuse. Cervical cancer rarely goes beyond burning some shiat off, particularly if one has annual pap smears.

That doesn't even make sense and I can't believe I am the only one who caught it.

I don't care much for frats because most the frats I've ever known were all about getting drunk and partying, neither of which I care about. Since frats can't offer me anything more than being in a glorified social club I don't see the point in bothering.

/and add in the fact that the only time you ever hear about them on tv is news stories about trouble due to retarded crap they make pledges do and I couldn't care less about them
//and most the arguments for them so far seem to be along the lines of partying and getting laid which does nothing to change my opinion

macross87: Evil dead: the musical???

/dont know how i missed that
//goody little twoshoes!

We went through a chainsaw a week. And they were not cheap.

/just reopened in Toronto

siva2008-02-19 08:13:35 PM

Wow that's pretty nasty. Why would you bust in on that? WHY?


Hey, I wasn't the one turning the knob and opening the door; I was merely a spectator.

One of many highly amused spectators.