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2008-02-16 11:40:45 PM
Just wanted to point out that the U.S. rounded up and forcibly quarantined (pop-tastic) leprosy patients in Hawaii until the 1960s...

I'm trying to stay far away from the flamewar, but I agree with the people who have said that one likely reason Egypt is doing this, and a likely reason that other places will, is the fact that HIV/AIDS is so thoroughly stigmatized as a plague on homosexuals. I bet homosexuality is one of the indicators used to finger (hurr hurr hurr) people to be quarantined.

I wonder how many "Sharper Image" GADARs you could sell the Egyptian government...

\Not obscure.
 
2008-02-16 11:40:51 PM
TxRabbit: janks369: TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

exactly. the ones who will tell a potential sex partner are good, and shouldn't object too much to a discreet tattoo. if people are only tattooed after transmitting to someone, then the plan fails, because transmission already happened. all people with AIDS/HIV are in the same category; the category of people who have AIDS/HIV

and condoms are only 99.something % effective

You are too sad and stupid for colored TV.

janks369: Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

and this would apply to whom?

Orthodox Jews, numbnuts, and who know who else. If you are so smart, please build a time machine and go live in Nazi Germany, you'll be quite at home there.




my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem
 
2008-02-16 11:40:57 PM
janks369: TxRabbit: For someone claiming to be smart (you're not) you seem to be ignoring a lot of what I said, and are now changing your tune. How does marking said people suddenly become something that only a few people know about?

the mark would be a tattoo in a discreet place. only sex partners need to see it, not people on the street. this has been my stance the whole time.


You do live in a fantasy world, don't you. Maybe you should try living on planet Earth sometime. A typical thinks you know it all, republican youth....maybe one day you will grow up and live in the real world. Discussion is ended.
 
2008-02-16 11:40:59 PM
Uncle Karl:

Go fark yourself.

Tatsuma is a douche, and I think he thinks that everyone who is not a jew is evil.


This is what I get from expecting rationality and respectful behavior out of a Marxist.
 
2008-02-16 11:41:13 PM
Damned Right Wing Christians!

Oh, wait, Egypt is a Muslim country...

(Never mind.)
 
2008-02-16 11:41:47 PM
TxRabbit: Barakku:
And this will NEVER EVER be abused by anyone that is in control of the marking. And people with the "mark" will NEVER EVER be subject to any kind of stigma or ostracizing. Because the mark will be "hidden". I see your point, but it never worked before and won't work now.

I know, and have been with HIV+ people, and guess what...still negative. But then I either was doing it right, or am just lucky.

"Ah, I see you're looking for a job here. Would you please turn around and drop your boxers for a moment?"

WTF are you talking about?


You were talking about "no matter how discrete it would be a stigma." If it's on your cock or ass, a very, very limited subset of people could view it...it's not something that'd show up on a job application.

/Unless you're a stipper
//That'd be a turn off...
 
2008-02-16 11:42:07 PM
Barakku
technically being gay nor does gay sex increase the risk, it's the specific act of anal that increases the risk, due to increased risk of bleeding


I'm glad you brought that up. So few people understand that.
 
2008-02-16 11:42:31 PM
janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

So then violating just a few peoples religious freedom is ok?
How many is ok? 2? 10? 100? 1000?
 
2008-02-16 11:42:33 PM
Stippers are like strippers, but they've taken slightly more off.
 
2008-02-16 11:43:29 PM
janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.
 
2008-02-16 11:44:09 PM
To illustrate my point and make the thread load slower: www.designismurder.com
(evil hotlink)
 
2008-02-16 11:44:18 PM
Tatsuma: AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

This is true, I read it in the Torah.
 
2008-02-16 11:44:30 PM
Tatsuma: Uncle Karl:

Go fark yourself.

Tatsuma is a douche, and I think he thinks that everyone who is not a jew is evil.

This is what I get from expecting rationality and respectful behavior out of a Marxist.


No, this is what you get for being a douche and a loony.

Go troll someone else.
I thought you should be all signed up to kill Palestinians by now? or are you like the rest of the war supporters on fark?
 
2008-02-16 11:44:56 PM
Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.


Unless, of course, they got it from their parents.
 
2008-02-16 11:45:33 PM
www.maj.com

Proud.
 
2008-02-16 11:46:11 PM
janks369
my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem


That made me laugh. Thanx. I'll tell a story of my friend. He dated this girl who was very religious. She wouldn't have sex with him. Pussy sex that is. But, she blew him all the time and let him fark her in the ass. Then he'd drop her off at church the next morning. But she was proud to say she was a virgin, which I guess technically was true.

Won't lump all religious people into this hypocritical self-rightous delusion world this girl lives in though. But I imagine it's alot. Ted Haggert anyone?
 
2008-02-16 11:46:31 PM
stonicus: janks369
no, i'm saying if they are good, they would tell a partner that they have AIDS, and the tattoo would basically just do that for them.

And he was saying, if a person has nothing to hide, then they'd be honest and cooperate with law enforcement. The spying would just do that for them.


i know what he's saying, but it's not really the same. to be the same, it would have to be the gov spying on a person who was going to voluntarily record his calls and give them to the gov.

the gov. just beats them to it. it's not the same

stonicus: janks369
maybe, the key is that it tells something important and will not be visible to all.

Where will the tattoo go?


somewhere covered by underwear/ a bathing suit
 
2008-02-16 11:46:51 PM
TB is curable.
 
2008-02-16 11:47:15 PM
stonicus: Barakku
technically being gay nor does gay sex increase the risk, it's the specific act of anal that increases the risk, due to increased risk of bleeding

I'm glad you brought that up. So few people understand that.


True...even bleeding gums can be a hazard....so oral however unlikely can be a problem. But education and responsibilty is the key here.
 
2008-02-16 11:47:31 PM
Tatsuma: AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

That is a long number to be pulling out of your ass, I hope you did not strain yourself.
 
2008-02-16 11:48:59 PM
plastroncafe: Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.

Unless, of course, they got it from their parents.


..and nobody anywhere did needle drugs.
 
2008-02-16 11:49:08 PM
I've found that singing this song and living by it has kept me free from ever getting aids:

Day by day
Day by day
Oh Dear Lord
Three things I pray
To see thee more clearly
Love thee more dearly
Follow thee more nearly
Day by day
 
2008-02-16 11:49:14 PM
plastroncafe: Unless, of course, they got it from their parents.

Which is included under screw-up/accidents because I'm unware of parents who give AIDS to their children on purpose
 
2008-02-16 11:49:44 PM
Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.


You are a very unpleasant and sick minded individual. Really you give Jewish people, who are pretty cool, a very bad image.
Cut the hate, dude....self or otherwise. Live in the real world.
 
2008-02-16 11:49:47 PM
Dunit: plastroncafe: Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.

Unless, of course, they got it from their parents.

..and nobody anywhere did needle drugs.


...and everyone, everywhere, washed their hands with hot soapy water after using the bathroom.
 
2008-02-16 11:50:44 PM
Where will the tattoo go?
------------------
janks369
somewhere covered by underwear/ a bathing suit


Ok, answer my previous question. Where can it go so that I can see it on a a girl who is blowing me, or where a girl can see it on me if I am going down on her? She can blow me in a full body suit and a parka and I'd never see it.

And what about using makeup to cover up the mark?
 
2008-02-16 11:50:58 PM
stonicus: janks369
the mark would be a tattoo in a discreet place. only sex partners need to see it, not people on the street. this has been my stance the whole time.

A girl giving me head, it needs to be somewhere she can see mine and I can see hers.

Me giving the girl head, same thing.

I don't see a common location for both cases where the tattoo is 100% going to be shown. And what about makeup? My friend wore makeup on a tattoo he had on his leg to hide it from his dad. His dad didn't know it was there for almost 7 years.


good questions that would be answered if such a program existed. on the plus side, oral sex is less likely to transmit HIV. unless she has a bleeding mouth and likes to bite (shudders thinking about it).
 
2008-02-16 11:50:58 PM
janks369:
my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem


Very religious people are less likely to catch HIV from sexual contact; but what about the HIV-positive baby adopted by a religious couple? Or the religious, observant, faithful wife whose husband is not so religious or faithful and brings it back from a "business trip"? What about the religious man who gets involved with a woman who used to be a drug addict a decade ago and doesn't know yet that she's carrying?

I don't think you've thought your cunning plan all the way through.

I also want to know which tests you base your claim to be in the 99th percentile on.
 
2008-02-16 11:51:19 PM
Dunit: plastroncafe: Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.

Unless, of course, they got it from their parents.

..and nobody anywhere did needle drugs.


Or got tainted blood.
Or bit anyone.
 
2008-02-16 11:51:38 PM
Tatsuma: plastroncafe: Unless, of course, they got it from their parents.

Which is included under screw-up/accidents because I'm unware of parents who give AIDS to their children on purpose


Let's hope we all say unaware of such a thing.
 
2008-02-16 11:52:03 PM
TxRabbit: You are a very unpleasant and sick minded individual. Really you give Jewish people, who are pretty cool, a very bad image.

How is that sick and very unpleasant to say that if one generation were to have sex only within the context of marriage, all VDs would disappear?
 
2008-02-16 11:53:16 PM
Tatsuma: TxRabbit: You are a very unpleasant and sick minded individual. Really you give Jewish people, who are pretty cool, a very bad image.

How is that sick and very unpleasant to say that if one generation were to have sex only within the context of marriage, all VDs would disappear?


Honestly? It bugs me because not all of us can have sex only within the context of marriage.
 
2008-02-16 11:53:16 PM
nyil: Very religious people are less likely to catch HIV from sexual contact

I think ted haggard might have been running the risk, he seemed very religious.

/meth fueled anal sex is probably risky
 
2008-02-16 11:53:22 PM
TxRabbit: Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.

You are a very unpleasant and sick minded individual. Really you give Jewish people, who are pretty cool, a very bad image.
Cut the hate, dude....self or otherwise. Live in the real world.


Where's the hate? Islamic countries live by the same guidelines and don't have nearly the aids rates of western civilizations either. Why do you think Egypt has found so few aids victims in their country?
 
2008-02-16 11:53:25 PM
plastroncafe: Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.

Unless, of course, they got it from their parents.


if it's that rare, not many parents will have it, will they?
 
2008-02-16 11:53:27 PM
nyil: Very religious people are less likely to catch HIV from sexual contact; but what about the HIV-positive baby adopted by a religious couple? Or the religious, observant, faithful wife whose husband is not so religious or faithful and brings it back from a "business trip"? What about the religious man who gets involved with a woman who used to be a drug addict a decade ago and doesn't know yet that she's carrying?

Extremely rare cases like this might happen in the Haredi world, which is not perfect, but they are still extremely rare.
 
2008-02-16 11:54:39 PM
0.00000000001%
That's 1 / 100,000,000,000 (100 billion). That means less than 1 Jew in the world has AIDS.
 
2008-02-16 11:55:00 PM
Tatsuma: nyil: Very religious people are less likely to catch HIV from sexual contact; but what about the HIV-positive baby adopted by a religious couple? Or the religious, observant, faithful wife whose husband is not so religious or faithful and brings it back from a "business trip"? What about the religious man who gets involved with a woman who used to be a drug addict a decade ago and doesn't know yet that she's carrying?

Extremely rare cases like this might happen in the Haredi world, which is not perfect, but they are still extremely rare.


They may be extremely rare, but if even one observant parent were to be coerced into having her child tattooed it would still be too many!
 
2008-02-16 11:55:22 PM
So...how many positives does someone have to get before they're forcibly tattoo'd?

And really, what's to keep someone from just getting that tattoo removed, or say, covering it up with make up?
 
2008-02-16 11:55:28 PM
plastroncafe: Honestly? It bugs me because not all of us can WANT TO have sex only within the context of marriage.

FTFY
 
2008-02-16 11:55:32 PM
muck4doo: Where's the hate? Islamic countries live by the same guidelines and don't have nearly the aids rates of western civilizations either. Why do you think Egypt has found so few aids victims in their country?

Freedom has a price, personal responsibility.
 
2008-02-16 11:55:37 PM
TxRabbit: Tatsuma: janks369: my guess is very religious people are less likely to have AIDS, so this problem wouldn't apply to too many people. but it would, indeed, be a problem

AIDS amongst religious Jews is around 0.00000000001%

Why? That's what happens when you have a culture where sex is only between an husband and wife. Of course, there's the occasional screw-up/accident/and occasional, chas vshalom, rape, but otherwise this is a non-existant problem.

People can say whatever they want, but if the rising generation of children were to be abstinent until marriage, AIDS and all others VDs would disappear by the time their own children walk the earth.

You are a very unpleasant and sick minded individual. Really you give Jewish people, who are pretty cool, a very bad image.
Cut the hate, dude....self or otherwise. Live in the real world.



not really. it is true that if all people only had one sex parter, STD's would soon be virtually eradicated
 
2008-02-16 11:56:24 PM
Tatsuma: plastroncafe: Honestly? It bugs me because not all of us can WANT TO have sex only within the context of marriage.

FTFY


Not all of us CAN be married.

Clarified that for you.
 
2008-02-16 11:56:39 PM
stonicus: 0.00000000001%
That's 1 / 100,000,000,000 (100 billion). That means less than 1 Jew in the world has AIDS.


Did you not know? Tatsuma knows them all, he sure seems to speak for them.

/or at least tries too
 
2008-02-16 11:56:52 PM
stonicus: That's 1 / 100,000,000,000 (100 billion). That means less than 1 Jew in the world has AIDS.

Oh, you mean that this figure was actually not an obviously figurative hyperbolic example but rather in a factual statement that is wrong?
 
2008-02-16 11:57:32 PM
Tatsuma: TxRabbit: You are a very unpleasant and sick minded individual. Really you give Jewish people, who are pretty cool, a very bad image.

How is that sick and very unpleasant to say that if one generation were to have sex only within the context of marriage, all VDs would disappear?


How did I know you'd say that...i justify it from lurking all these years, seeing you ignorant posts, actually wanting to defend you as you seemed to be getting attacked consistently for no reason, but I finally saw the reason, and now I have to just tell you that you come across as very unpleasant and paranoid.
I actually don't mind a whole, no sex til marriage thing, but you only think man/woman sex is ok. And of course gay marriag is totally out of the question. I mean, heaven forfend, that gay people are equal. People have sex, regardless.....live in the real world. You may like it...or not.
 
2008-02-16 11:57:57 PM
plastroncafe: Tatsuma: plastroncafe: Honestly? It bugs me because not all of us can WANT TO have sex only within the context of marriage.

FTFY

Not all of us CAN be married.

Clarified that for you.


1. Which is just ridiculous, you should have the same opportunity to be miserable as the rest of us.
2. nor should anyone have the right to restrict another's freedom in such a manner.
 
2008-02-16 11:58:13 PM
plastroncafe: ...and everyone, everywhere, washed their hands with hot soapy water after using the bathroom.

fark.
 
2008-02-16 11:58:37 PM
plastroncafe: Not all of us CAN be married.

What do you mean, can't?

Some people are not ever going to find someone with whom they can live their lives with, so they are going to have to require random, meaningless sexual activity with strangers once in a blue moon to satisfy their urges?
 
2008-02-16 11:59:04 PM
Uncle Karl: plastroncafe: Tatsuma: plastroncafe: Honestly? It bugs me because not all of us can WANT TO have sex only within the context of marriage.

FTFY

Not all of us CAN be married.

Clarified that for you.

1. Which is just ridiculous, you should have the same opportunity to be miserable as the rest of us.
2. nor should anyone have the right to restrict another's freedom in such a manner.


Damn skippy!
I want just as much chance to fark up as my father did before me!
 
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