muck4doo: .6% adult population under these stats would equal over 1.4 million with HIV, unless I have my math wrong.

That's a lot of people to round up and tattoo.

stonicus: Can we tattoo "BAD DRIVER" on people's foreheads, so you don't accidentally ride with them?
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muck4doo
That should be painted on their car. I could go for that.

What if they borrow someone else's car? No, it has to be on their forhead. And, go ahead and tattoo "CLUMSY" on people's face as well, lest they slip and cut you with a sharp object.

Disagree. I can't see their face while I'm driving. I want it plastered on their car where I can see it easily.

Barakku:
Or maybe they found condoms?

Sure, condoms greatly reduce the risk, but they don't guarantee immunity. 20 years is a long time to be infected and not even know it...

Lamune_Baba: BearToy: After I came out I assumed that absolutely everyone was HIV+.

We used to do that. Now it's a hate crime.

Since when is using condoms a hate crime?

muck4doo
Disagree. I can't see their face while I'm driving. I want it plastered on their car where I can see it easily.

Hmmm, I was approaching it from the "don't ride with them" angle, but yours is valid as well. How do we handle them borrowing a friends car?

stonicus: Barakku:Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

I'm totally ok with that. If you have AIDS and will lie about it to get laid, then get a tattoo. So, now all we need is a "lie to get laid" test. Do you have one? Nope. So, your solution is to calssify ALL people with AIDS as liars and scum? Sorry about your uncle, but unless you can stop arguing emotionally on the topic, instead of logically, than your voice will not be heard.

We have two situations here:

Asshole: Won't tell his partners. Tatto needed

Nice person: Willing to tell their partners. Tatto is a slight hurdle at first glance, but nothing they aren't going to say themselves.

Now, if people managed to wrap their dicks in some kind of protective wrapper, and were taught about it in highschool...nah.

/PS: My uncle's kinda a hermit, but he's neither gay nor dead...

TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

As I kinda just said...a nice person will tell anyway...so the tatto is only doing the harm of not letting them put it nicely.
There exists no person that both suffers extreme harm for said tat (assuming it's hidden from the public) and is open about it.

I suspect they're rounding them up more because if they have HIV it means that they were doing something that Islam forbids, therefore they are guilty.

TxRabbit: janks369: the order is not by importance, it's in the order that I saw things. your hatred of Bush makes it a bad idea? again, calling me a retard does not change anything.

No it doesn't, because you still seem to be a self-righteous, snotty retard.
I was that way once, sweetheart, so I know you a lot better than you think. You think you are so intelligent, and have the answers to everything. Well, you know what, you don't. You want the easy way out, which is stigmatizing a group of people, so you don't have to deal with it. Learn from history before it's too late. But I forgot, you won't.

the stigma thing only works if everyone knows. the only people that need to know are potential partners or needle sharers.
and based on testing, i'm smarter than 99% of people, so for now I will keep thinking i'm intelligent.

stonicus: muck4doo
Disagree. I can't see their face while I'm driving. I want it plastered on their car where I can see it easily.

Hmmm, I was approaching it from the "don't ride with them" angle, but yours is valid as well. How do we handle them borrowing a friends car?

I see where you're coming from now, but that's pretty easy to figure out. They usually have slanted eyes.

/I keed! I keed!

Barakku: TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

As I kinda just said...a nice person will tell anyway...so the tatto is only doing the harm of not letting them put it nicely.
There exists no person that both suffers extreme harm for said tat (assuming it's hidden from the public) and is open about it.

What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

dj_bigbird: We quarantine people with TB, why not AIDS?

Because you can catch TB from across the room or from an inanimate object that made contact hours after the infected person has been there.

AIDS on the other hand requires direct blood to blood transfer. TO achieve that you need bad blood handling (unscreened blood transfusion), (prolonged) sexual contact, or needle sharing.

You are either trolling or woefully uneducated.

Barakku: TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

As I kinda just said...a nice person will tell anyway...so the tatto is only doing the harm of not letting them put it nicely.
There exists no person that both suffers extreme harm for said tat (assuming it's hidden from the public) and is open about it.

And this will NEVER EVER be abused by anyone that is in control of the marking. And people with the "mark" will NEVER EVER be subject to any kind of stigma or ostracizing. Because the mark will be "hidden". I see your point, but it never worked before and won't work now.

I know, and have been with HIV+ people, and guess what...still negative. But then I either was doing it right, or am just lucky.

TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

exactly. the ones who will tell a potential sex partner are good, and shouldn't object too much to a discreet tattoo. if people are only tattooed after transmitting to someone, then the plan fails, because transmission already happened. all people with AIDS/HIV are in the same category; the category of people who have AIDS/HIV

and condoms are only 99.something % effective

Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

I think those people are probably in one of those religions that shuns doing smack with dirty needles, getting blood transfusions, or putting other mens' parts in their poop chute. They may have a tough time catching HIV.

Barakku:

Now, if people managed to wrap their dicks in some kind of protective wrapper, and were taught about it in highschool...nah.


Just a quick question - You meet someone who tells you they are HIV+. Would you be willing to have sex with that person if you were wearing a condom?

Without dodging the question with "I'm married" or "I don't have sex with strangers" (etc, etc) would you rely 100% on that condom to protect you, and literally stake your life on that?

You keep bringing this up as a solution that's all...

janks369: exactly. the ones who will tell a potential sex partner are good, and shouldn't object too much to a discreet tattoo.

This is the same logical flaw that if I have nothing to hide I should not mind the government monitoring my communications.

Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

and this would apply to whom?

janks369
exactly. the ones who will tell a potential sex partner are good, and shouldn't object too much to a discreet tattoo.

Gonna go out on a limb here, just my opinion, but I think they'd be EXTREMELY objective to that. But that's just me. Majority of people don't have tattoos, and I'm guessing it's because they don't want one!

Barakku:Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Sounds to me that you want to have sex an not use a condom or actually have to discuss and talk about HIV and AIDS with a partner.

Get over it, we all have to deal with this problem. Not make finding sex easier for you.

As someone who has been positive since 1990 I am so fascinated that no one takes responsibility for their own actions and being an idiot and having unprotected sex.

I don't play the victim. I got it being an idiot and not using protection. It is no one else's fault but my own.

janks369: TxRabbit: janks369: the order is not by importance, it's in the order that I saw things. your hatred of Bush makes it a bad idea? again, calling me a retard does not change anything.

No it doesn't, because you still seem to be a self-righteous, snotty retard.
I was that way once, sweetheart, so I know you a lot better than you think. You think you are so intelligent, and have the answers to everything. Well, you know what, you don't. You want the easy way out, which is stigmatizing a group of people, so you don't have to deal with it. Learn from history before it's too late. But I forgot, you won't.

the stigma thing only works if everyone knows. the only people that need to know are potential partners or needle sharers.
and based on testing, i'm smarter than 99% of people, so for now I will keep thinking i'm intelligent.

For someone claiming to be smart (you're not) you seem to be ignoring a lot of what I said, and are now changing your tune. How does marking said people suddenly become something that only a few people know about?

Spud Boy: Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

I think those people are probably in one of those religions that shuns doing smack with dirty needles, getting blood transfusions, or putting other mens' parts in their poop chute. They may have a tough time catching HIV.

Considering that the highest growth segments of the HIV+ population are young white women I doubt that.

Also what religion that forbids tattoos, forbids blood transfusions?

/other than JWes of course
/highest percentage growth
//it had traditionally been very low

Dunit: Barakku:

Now, if people managed to wrap their dicks in some kind of protective wrapper, and were taught about it in highschool...nah.


Just a quick question - You meet someone who tells you they are HIV+. Would you be willing to have sex with that person if you were wearing a condom?

Without dodging the question with "I'm married" or "I don't have sex with strangers" (etc, etc) would you rely 100% on that condom to protect you, and literally stake your life on that?

You keep bringing this up as a solution that's all...

Oh and don't get me wrong, many people do just this every day - I just want to see if YOU would practice what you preach.

Uncle Karl: janks369: exactly. the ones who will tell a potential sex partner are good, and shouldn't object too much to a discreet tattoo.

This is the same logical flaw that if I have nothing to hide I should not mind the government monitoring my communications.

no, i'm saying if they are good, they would tell a partner that they have AIDS, and the tattoo would basically just do that for them.

It must be noisy with all those sick people around. I hope they are able to concentrate.

/I keed, I keed.
//DNRTFA

TxRabbit: Barakku: TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

As I kinda just said...a nice person will tell anyway...so the tatto is only doing the harm of not letting them put it nicely.
There exists no person that both suffers extreme harm for said tat (assuming it's hidden from the public) and is open about it.

And this will NEVER EVER be abused by anyone that is in control of the marking. And people with the "mark" will NEVER EVER be subject to any kind of stigma or ostracizing. Because the mark will be "hidden". I see your point, but it never worked before and won't work now.

I know, and have been with HIV+ people, and guess what...still negative. But then I either was doing it right, or am just lucky.

"Ah, I see you're looking for a job here. Would you please turn around and drop your boxers for a moment?"

I don't think it's a crackdown on AIDS as much as a crackdown on gays, really. Recently, Egyptian authorities denied there ever was, is, or ever will be, lesbianism in Egypt

Uncle Karl:

I told you in the other thread, and I'll tell you again here:

I know my own opinions, you don't, and I'm not giving you a blank card to speak in my name and pretend that what you say are my opinions, so cut that shiat out.

Dang, I'm gonna start up a tattoo removal business. Do you need to be a doctor?

janks369: Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

and this would apply to whom?

Jews, Some Christian sects:
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)

anyone who objects as they had family marked with a tattoo by a government program at some time:
Children of holocaust victims, etc.

In Islam tattoos are always considered Haram(forbidden, sin).

janks369: TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

exactly. the ones who will tell a potential sex partner are good, and shouldn't object too much to a discreet tattoo. if people are only tattooed after transmitting to someone, then the plan fails, because transmission already happened. all people with AIDS/HIV are in the same category; the category of people who have AIDS/HIV

and condoms are only 99.something % effective

You are too sad and stupid for colored TV.

janks369: Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

and this would apply to whom?

Orthodox Jews, numbnuts, and who know who else. If you are so smart, please build a time machine and go live in Nazi Germany, you'll be quite at home there.

Dunit: Barakku:

Now, if people managed to wrap their dicks in some kind of protective wrapper, and were taught about it in highschool...nah.


Just a quick question - You meet someone who tells you they are HIV+. Would you be willing to have sex with that person if you were wearing a condom?

Without dodging the question with "I'm married" or "I don't have sex with strangers" (etc, etc) would you rely 100% on that condom to protect you, and literally stake your life on that?

You keep bringing this up as a solution that's all...

If you're having sex with someone for any period of time, or if you want to lose the protection, you really should get tested. There are clinics in most cities that offer cheap tests on a wide range of common STDs. If the fella is shy about going in to get tested at one of those "dirty gay clinics," you can donate blood together and compare the cards you get back in the mail. Then at least you know the bloodtype! That won't find nasty STDs tho.

Condoms are important, but so is getting checked. You can't be too careful these days. Using condoms and getting checked with new lovers can allow you to be a complete hussy without getting (or giving)any nasty surprises.

stonicus: janks369
exactly. the ones who will tell a potential sex partner are good, and shouldn't object too much to a discreet tattoo.

Gonna go out on a limb here, just my opinion, but I think they'd be EXTREMELY objective to that. But that's just me. Majority of people don't have tattoos, and I'm guessing it's because they don't want one!

maybe, the key is that it tells something important and will not be visible to all.

Uncle Karl: janks369: Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

and this would apply to whom?

Jews, Some Christian sects:
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)

anyone who objects as they had family marked with a tattoo by a government program at some time:
Children of holocaust victims, etc.

In Islam tattoos are always considered Haram(forbidden, sin).

You ever see The Mummy?

Tatsuma: I don't think it's a crackdown on AIDS as much as a crackdown on gays, really. Recently, Egyptian authorities denied there ever was, is, or ever will be, lesbianism in Egypt

Uncle Karl:

I told you in the other thread, and I'll tell you again here:

I know my own opinions, you don't, and I'm not giving you a blank card to speak in my name and pretend that what you say are my opinions, so cut that shiat out.

When in this thread did I say a damn thing about you?

muck4doo: Uncle Karl: janks369: Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

and this would apply to whom?

Jews, Some Christian sects:
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)

anyone who objects as they had family marked with a tattoo by a government program at some time:
Children of holocaust victims, etc.

In Islam tattoos are always considered Haram(forbidden, sin).

You ever see The Mummy?

I have, what is your point?

janks369
no, i'm saying if they are good, they would tell a partner that they have AIDS, and the tattoo would basically just do that for them.

And he was saying, if a person has nothing to hide, then they'd be honest and cooperate with law enforcement. The spying would just do that for them.

Barakku: TxRabbit: Barakku: TxRabbit: Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.

As I kinda just said...a nice person will tell anyway...so the tatto is only doing the harm of not letting them put it nicely.
There exists no person that both suffers extreme harm for said tat (assuming it's hidden from the public) and is open about it.

And this will NEVER EVER be abused by anyone that is in control of the marking. And people with the "mark" will NEVER EVER be subject to any kind of stigma or ostracizing. Because the mark will be "hidden". I see your point, but it never worked before and won't work now.

I know, and have been with HIV+ people, and guess what...still negative. But then I either was doing it right, or am just lucky.

"Ah, I see you're looking for a job here. Would you please turn around and drop your boxers for a moment?"

WTF are you talking about?

Did we say 'Death Camps'? We meant 'Happy Camps'

WHat a great way to hook up with people you don't need a condom to do.
I know where I'll be having my vacation if I ever get HIV that's for sure.

TxRabbit: For someone claiming to be smart (you're not) you seem to be ignoring a lot of what I said, and are now changing your tune. How does marking said people suddenly become something that only a few people know about?

the mark would be a tattoo in a discreet place. only sex partners need to see it, not people on the street. this has been my stance the whole time.

Uncle Karl: When in this thread did I say a damn thing about you?

Which part of "I told you in the other thread" is hard to understand?

In fact, please, don't ever talk about me when I'm around, and ever say anything about my opinions, that would be just perfect.

janks369
maybe, the key is that it tells something important and will not be visible to all.

Where will the tattoo go?

Tatsuma: Uncle Karl: When in this thread did I say a damn thing about you?

Which part of "I told you in the other thread" is hard to understand?

In fact, please, don't ever talk about me when I'm around, and ever say anything about my opinions, that would be just perfect.

Go fark yourself.

Tatsuma is a douche, and I think he thinks that everyone who is not a jew is evil.

Dunit: Dunit: Barakku:

Now, if people managed to wrap their dicks in some kind of protective wrapper, and were taught about it in highschool...nah.


Just a quick question - You meet someone who tells you they are HIV+. Would you be willing to have sex with that person if you were wearing a condom?

Without dodging the question with "I'm married" or "I don't have sex with strangers" (etc, etc) would you rely 100% on that condom to protect you, and literally stake your life on that?

You keep bringing this up as a solution that's all...

Oh and don't get me wrong, many people do just this every day - I just want to see if YOU would practice what you preach.

Uh, I've gambled my life on way lower odds than 99.97 (or is that the baby number)%, so if I really loved someone...yep.

Random person at a bar? It'd be a turn-off, but being hetero means my odds are lower (technically being gay nor does gay sex increase the risk, it's the specific act of anal that increases the risk, due to increased risk of bleeding [do not want]). But I'd definitely have to think about it.

But for reference, I am talking proactive, not reactive, about the condoms. We'd probably nib the problem in the butt if we weren't all "snowflakes" about public education.

/My school taught about condoms
//And why not to douche...with (ick) Mountain Dew
///That farking has to hurt, man...

stonicus: Where will the tattoo go?

janks369
the mark would be a tattoo in a discreet place. only sex partners need to see it, not people on the street. this has been my stance the whole time.

A girl giving me head, it needs to be somewhere she can see mine and I can see hers.

Me giving the girl head, same thing.

I don't see a common location for both cases where the tattoo is 100% going to be shown. And what about makeup? My friend wore makeup on a tattoo he had on his leg to hide it from his dad. His dad didn't know it was there for almost 7 years.

Uncle Karl: muck4doo: Uncle Karl: janks369: Uncle Karl: What about people who for religious/cultural reasons cannot be tattooed?

and this would apply to whom?

Jews, Some Christian sects:
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)

anyone who objects as they had family marked with a tattoo by a government program at some time:
Children of holocaust victims, etc.

In Islam tattoos are always considered Haram(forbidden, sin).

You ever see The Mummy?

I have, what is your point?

You ever see Rachel Weisz naked? She's pretty hot.