Although, a quarantined tropical island with all the free marijuana and froo froo drinks they want might just be paradise to many of them.

/Haiti and Jamaica?

janks369: muck4doo: BearToy: janks369: Jews are not a disease.

No. And neither are homosexuals but we got a little pink triangle arm band to make sure we could be rounded up for the "re-education" camps.

Marking people with AIDS would only give the non-infected a way to not have sex with people who have AIDS.

If you don't assume every person you have sex with has HIV and every other STD imaginable and protect yourself accordingly then you richly deserve whatever you get.

Seriously.. we don't see people with your level of blatant stupidity that much anymore. You should probably be studied. But that might take awhile so please, for the sake of the gene pool:

No really. Do us a favor.

what the hell. this isn't about being gay, it's about AIDS. i know gays were also persecuted by Hitler, but how is that relevant? and as I said, it would be hidden by clothing most of the time, so 99.999% of people would never know.
The only problem with that is some people don't take off their clothes until it is dark. So victims wouldn't see it. How about stitching their anus shut and re-routing the colon to their sides so they can still poo?

well then, my crazy idea is to turn a f*cking light on. if they won't turn a light on, they are probably ugly as hell, so no real loss.

Wait, are you saying ugly people don't have aids?

Dunit: Hibno: I think most people who give somebody AIDS give it to them before they find out they have it. By the time you lock up AIDS victims, the damage has already been done. It's nothing but punishing somebody for contracting a disease.

Correct. You could have HIV for literally 10 years before even seeing symptoms of any illness.

if you were going to the quarantine thing, i'd guess there would be a mandatory blood screening for everyone. otherwise it would be pointless and piss off people

I personally have known someone who was hiv+ and would brag about his exploits and threaten to infect people when he got into an argument.

//should have death penalty

3dhuntdotcom: I personally have known someone who was hiv+ and would brag about his exploits and threaten to infect people when he got into an argument.

//should have death penalty

That person was an asshole before the AIDS, I bet. Other assholes have hep and do the same thing.

muck4doo: Wait, are you saying ugly people don't have aids?

no, if the AIDS symbol program existed, and if you were going to have sex with a rando who refused to let a light be on, you couldn't see the symbol, so you wouldn't have sex, but it wouldn't matter because they must be ugly.

a perfect sentence.

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: The plural of virus (new window)? or are you being a grammar nazi?

If pointing out ignorance of a language makes me a "nazi" then Seig Hiel.

janks369: muck4doo: Wait, are you saying ugly people don't have aids?

no, if the AIDS symbol program existed, and if you were going to have sex with a rando who refused to let a light be on, you couldn't see the symbol, so you wouldn't have sex, but it wouldn't matter because they must be ugly.

a perfect sentence.

Then people would not get tested.

Most of the spread is done before they know they are infected. All we need is free and compulsory AIDS testing.

Quick cheat summary for the trolls:

A quarantine policy for viruses like HIV, which can hide in the body for years, will only cause people to NOT get tested for HIV/AIDS, and will cause those who do suspect they have it to hide it. Making it harder to detect. This includes branding people with a barcode, or making them wear a star of David or something also. A shame list would also have the similar effect.

By the way, this is why you do not make public health policy here, because you don't think things all the way through.

As it stands now people must take personal responsibility to not get it, and to not spread it. If you know you have AIDS, and you spread it, you can be charged with murder. It's happened.

Ha, leads me to a funny thought; most of the douches that are advocating a quarantine would most likely otherwise beat their chests about personal responsibility at any given chance they have. How quickly they shed that heavy millstone when it comes to something they fear.

janks369: muck4doo: Wait, are you saying ugly people don't have aids?

no, if the AIDS symbol program existed, and if you were going to have sex with a rando who refused to let a light be on, you couldn't see the symbol, so you wouldn't have sex, but it wouldn't matter because they must be ugly.

a perfect sentence.

Let's see...you're cunning plan seems to rely on the fact that your happy puppy and kitten government program will be upfront and honest and not abused in any way.
Because these types of programs always are.
Just look at Germany....marking people there worked too. All in the name of public health. Yay!

optikeye: janks369: because people lie for sex. do you think people get AIDS intentionally for fun?

Why not accept the very real fact if someone has unprotected sex they're putting themselves at risk, willingly, for an STD. Your logic fails and is intended to ignore that basic fact..so you get a warm fuzzy feeling that you can have big goverment protect you.

For someone that claims to be 'republican' you don't seem to grasp the concept of personal responsibility.


one of the few things i think the gov should do is fight diseases.

ideally people would not have to live in fear of getting terrible diseases

j0ndas:
I say set up a special city for the HIV-positive. At least they won't have to worry about infecting someone by mistake that way, and the rest of the population won't have to worry about getting infected. Doctors in the city will know to take special precautions, and can get hazard pay for serving there.


So, they would be separate from the rest of society but still equal?

I agree that if someone is HIV+ it should be taken into consideration for certain positions (surgeons, butchers, prostitutes), but I'm not sure it's ok to segregate someone from society based on a disability.

/It's not Ebola.

janks369:

if you were going to the quarantine thing, i'd guess there would be a mandatory blood screening for everyone. otherwise it would be pointless and piss off people

So just the 78 million people in Egypt where this the rounding up is apparently being done? That's a lot of blood tests...

0.6% of the American adult population has HIV. Good luck rounding them all up.

This guy approves:

muck4doo:
The only problem with that is some people don't take off their clothes until it is dark. So victims wouldn't see it. How about stitching their anus shut and re-routing the colon to their sides so they can still poo?

I imagine some inventive people would just f*ck the stoma. I've heard anecdotal evidence of this in heterosexual couples. "In the stoma, Bob"?

Dunit:
You could have HIV for literally 10 years before even seeing symptoms of any illness.

Or longer. My GF's friend is an "elite controller", he has been HIV+ for well over a decade and does not have AIDS.

Spud Boy: 0.6% of the American adult population has HIV. Good luck rounding them all up.

Where do you get that stat from?

TxRabbit: janks369: muck4doo: Wait, are you saying ugly people don't have aids?

no, if the AIDS symbol program existed, and if you were going to have sex with a rando who refused to let a light be on, you couldn't see the symbol, so you wouldn't have sex, but it wouldn't matter because they must be ugly.

a perfect sentence.

Let's see...you're cunning plan seems to rely on the fact that your happy puppy and kitten government program will be upfront and honest and not abused in any way.
Because these types of programs always are.
Just look at Germany....marking people there worked too. All in the name of public health. Yay!

1. learn the difference b/w your and you're
2. yes, the gov would have to be careful with the data they got, the only data that should be kept is whether or not a person was tested.
3. in Germany, their marking program succeeded at what Hitler wanted. it was terrible, but did successfully mark Jews for removal.

muck4doo: Spud Boy: 0.6% of the American adult population has HIV. Good luck rounding them all up.

Where do you get that stat from?

CIA Factbook (2005)

Same people who shout personal responsibility are the same ones who say I have to wear a seatbelt and can't smoke pot and need to be protected from myself. fark them.

Spud Boy: muck4doo: Spud Boy: 0.6% of the American adult population has HIV. Good luck rounding them all up.

Where do you get that stat from?

CIA Factbook (2005)

Link please. Roughly 2 million with HIV seems like a high number to me.

j0ndas: I don't think HIV-positive people should be put in mandatory isolation, but I do think that the current US policy of hiding people's HIV status, or not allowing employers to discriminate based on it if they find out, is retarded. Either it's an incurable, dangerous blood-borne disease, or it isn't. If it is, you sure as heck better announce who has it so that people can take precautions, and keep anyone with HIV away from sharp objects and open wounds.

I say set up a special city for the HIV-positive. At least they won't have to worry about infecting someone by mistake that way, and the rest of the population won't have to worry about getting infected. Doctors in the city will know to take special precautions, and can get hazard pay for serving there.

Rarely I'm forced to say this, but the world would be better without you in it.

HIV positive people don't represent a threat to anyone they aren't farking. You can't isolate groups of people because some of them are arseholes. For instance, I'd hate to be isolated because I share the internets with you.

janks369: TxRabbit: janks369: muck4doo: Wait, are you saying ugly people don't have aids?

no, if the AIDS symbol program existed, and if you were going to have sex with a rando who refused to let a light be on, you couldn't see the symbol, so you wouldn't have sex, but it wouldn't matter because they must be ugly.

a perfect sentence.

Let's see...you're cunning plan seems to rely on the fact that your happy puppy and kitten government program will be upfront and honest and not abused in any way.
Because these types of programs always are.
Just look at Germany....marking people there worked too. All in the name of public health. Yay!

1. learn the difference b/w your and you're
2. yes, the gov would have to be careful with the data they got, the only data that should be kept is whether or not a person was tested.
3. in Germany, their marking program succeeded at what Hitler wanted. it was terrible, but did successfully mark Jews for removal.

GOD you are filled with the stupid...if a GRAMMAR mistake is the first thing you biatch about. You clearly have no since of morality, but then that explains the republican part. After all this crap with BUSH, you still think government is trustworthy? You are so retarded, it makes retarded people seem like farking geniuses. Please die. It would be best for the planet and humankind.

No Such Agency:

Dunit:
You could have HIV for literally 10 years before even seeing symptoms of any illness.

Or longer. My GF's friend is an "elite controller", he has been HIV+ for well over a decade and does not have AIDS.

Just had a quick look on Wikipedia which says "Clinical latency can vary between two weeks and 20 years" so you are absolutely right.

I wonder if all the people advocating mandatory testing have themselves been tested just in case? Or are they all 100% sure that EVERY person they have had sex with in the past 20 years was HIV-?

stonicus: Same people who shout personal responsibility are the same ones who say I have to wear a seatbelt and can't smoke pot and need to be protected from myself. fark them.

the seatbelt thing is to save money on insurance. pot should be legal and sold the same way as booze and tobacco.

Molavian
I'm fine with tattooing a nice, big, scarlet "AIDS" across the infected's foreheads.

If they did so, my uncle would still be alive, because his whore of a boyfriend knew he was HIV positive and gave it to him on purpose. Was tested, and lied through his farking teeth because he "didn't want to be alone."

Now my uncle is dead because someone didn't want their feelings hurt.

fark your feelings. Give me my uncle back.

So, you support doing this every life threatening ailment?

Can we tattoo "BAD DRIVER" on people's foreheads, so you don't accidentally ride with them?

muck4doo: Spud Boy: muck4doo: Spud Boy: 0.6% of the American adult population has HIV. Good luck rounding them all up.

Where do you get that stat from?

CIA Factbook (2005)

Link please. Roughly 2 million with HIV seems like a high number to me.

Adult population, not total pop. (new window)

muck4doo: Link please. Roughly 2 million with HIV seems like a high number to me.

You too dumb to use google? Awww. (new window). It's about 1 million.

stonicus: Molavian
I'm fine with tattooing a nice, big, scarlet "AIDS" across the infected's foreheads.

If they did so, my uncle would still be alive, because his whore of a boyfriend knew he was HIV positive and gave it to him on purpose. Was tested, and lied through his farking teeth because he "didn't want to be alone."

Now my uncle is dead because someone didn't want their feelings hurt.

fark your feelings. Give me my uncle back.

So, you support doing this every life threatening ailment?

Can we tattoo "BAD DRIVER" on people's foreheads, so you don't accidentally ride with them?

That should be painted on their car. I could go for that.

Dunit: No Such Agency:

Dunit:
You could have HIV for literally 10 years before even seeing symptoms of any illness.

Or longer. My GF's friend is an "elite controller", he has been HIV+ for well over a decade and does not have AIDS.

Just had a quick look on Wikipedia which says "Clinical latency can vary between two weeks and 20 years" so you are absolutely right.

I wonder if all the people advocating mandatory testing have themselves been tested just in case? Or are they all 100% sure that EVERY person they have had sex with in the past 20 years was HIV-?

Or maybe they found condoms?

Can we tattoo "BAD DRIVER" on people's foreheads, so you don't accidentally ride with them?
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muck4doo
That should be painted on their car. I could go for that.

What if they borrow someone else's car? No, it has to be on their forhead. And, go ahead and tattoo "CLUMSY" on people's face as well, lest they slip and cut you with a sharp object.

TxRabbit: janks369: TxRabbit: janks369: muck4doo: Wait, are you saying ugly people don't have aids?

no, if the AIDS symbol program existed, and if you were going to have sex with a rando who refused to let a light be on, you couldn't see the symbol, so you wouldn't have sex, but it wouldn't matter because they must be ugly.

a perfect sentence.

Let's see...you're cunning plan seems to rely on the fact that your happy puppy and kitten government program will be upfront and honest and not abused in any way.
Because these types of programs always are.
Just look at Germany....marking people there worked too. All in the name of public health. Yay!

1. learn the difference b/w your and you're
2. yes, the gov would have to be careful with the data they got, the only data that should be kept is whether or not a person was tested.
3. in Germany, their marking program succeeded at what Hitler wanted. it was terrible, but did successfully mark Jews for removal.

GOD you are filled with the stupid...if a GRAMMAR mistake is the first thing you biatch about. You clearly have no since of morality, but then that explains the republican part. After all this crap with BUSH, you still think government is trustworthy? You are so retarded, it makes retarded people seem like farking geniuses. Please die. It would be best for the planet and humankind.

the order is not by importance, it's in the order that I saw things. your hatred of Bush makes it a bad idea? again, calling me a retard does not change anything.

And you know, we who live in the UNITED STATES have such an open policy towards HIV/AIDS victims. (new window)

Marking the AIDS/HIV infected is a little harsh. But, isn't it time for an instant test? It may be more possible than curing this beast. That may be a little easier to apply. But, problem being that the antibodies for the disease don't show up for 2-3 weeks so that doesn't do much good for test those who just got it, among other things.

Alwaysus Is totally right. I actully have the same thing. born with it and I am also adopted. Ive never given anyone the diesse, Ive dated and told my partners what the deal with it is. My viral count is very low, And I would apprecate not being put in a camp kthx.

There will always be disesse places.

muck4doo: stonicus: Molavian
I'm fine with tattooing a nice, big, scarlet "AIDS" across the infected's foreheads.

If they did so, my uncle would still be alive, because his whore of a boyfriend knew he was HIV positive and gave it to him on purpose. Was tested, and lied through his farking teeth because he "didn't want to be alone."

Now my uncle is dead because someone didn't want their feelings hurt.

fark your feelings. Give me my uncle back.

So, you support doing this every life threatening ailment?

Can we tattoo "BAD DRIVER" on people's foreheads, so you don't accidentally ride with them?

That should be painted on their car. I could go for that.

Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

stonicus: Can we tattoo "BAD DRIVER" on people's foreheads, so you don't accidentally ride with them?
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muck4doo
That should be painted on their car. I could go for that.

What if they borrow someone else's car? No, it has to be on their forhead. And, go ahead and tattoo "CLUMSY" on people's face as well, lest they slip and cut you with a sharp object.

Can I put "Strawman" on all of your posts? You've proven quite a risk.

Spud Boy: muck4doo: Spud Boy: muck4doo: Spud Boy: 0.6% of the American adult population has HIV. Good luck rounding them all up.

Where do you get that stat from?

CIA Factbook (2005)

Link please. Roughly 2 million with HIV seems like a high number to me.

Adult population, not total pop. (new window)

Population:
301,139,947 (July 2007 est.)
Age structure:
0-14 years: 20.2% (male 31,152,050/female 29,777,438)
15-64 years: 67.2% (male 100,995,752/female 101,365,035)
65 years and over: 12.6% (male 15,858,477/female 21,991,195) (2007 est.)


.6% adult population under these stats would equal over 1.4 million with HIV, unless I have my math wrong.

janks369: the order is not by importance, it's in the order that I saw things. your hatred of Bush makes it a bad idea? again, calling me a retard does not change anything.

No it doesn't, because you still seem to be a self-righteous, snotty retard.
I was that way once, sweetheart, so I know you a lot better than you think. You think you are so intelligent, and have the answers to everything. Well, you know what, you don't. You want the easy way out, which is stigmatizing a group of people, so you don't have to deal with it. Learn from history before it's too late. But I forgot, you won't.

optikeye: janks369: one of the few things i think the gov should do is fight diseases.

Including Universal Health Care? Protecting us from high fat foods? Tansfat in foods? Paying for Anti-Viral drugs that lower the risk of transmission of HIV..even to the point HIV infected women with controlled virus level can safely give birth to HIV free offspring?

no, just reducing infectious diseases in the population.

Barakku:Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

I'm totally ok with that. If you have AIDS and will lie about it to get laid, then get a tattoo. So, now all we need is a "lie to get laid" test. Do you have one? Nope. So, your solution is to calssify ALL people with AIDS as liars and scum? Sorry about your uncle, but unless you can stop arguing emotionally on the topic, instead of logically, than your voice will not be heard.

Gavino: muck4doo: Link please. Roughly 2 million with HIV seems like a high number to me.

You too dumb to use google? Awww. (new window). It's about 1 million.

No. Just lazy. I knew a dumbass like you would go scuttling to find it for me.

BearToy: After I came out I assumed that absolutely everyone was HIV+.

We used to do that. Now it's a hate crime.

Barakku:
Can I put "Strawman" on all of your posts?

Yes, you can. You can scream strawman all you want. That doesn't affect the validity and extrapolation of my posts from your own idea: "Put a mark on people that pose a risk to others, for the good of the public."

Barakku:
Why is the tat thing so farking evil? We're talking about people that lie about a fatal disease for a fark. They wanna fark like animals and not use condoms or common sense/decency, treat 'em like farking animals.

Everyone who is HIV+ doesn't farking lie about it, asswipe.
The ones that do...yes, they are shiat. Don't group all people into one category.