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(Pravda)   Military Toxicologists Guilty of Hostages Death Toll   (english.pravda.ru) divider line 65
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2002-10-28 12:18:42 PM  
In all fairness ... even if the gas killed some folks, it's still better than charging the joint and killing everyone.

Remember: Russians do not negotiate with terrorists..
 
2002-10-28 12:30:19 PM  
sounds like the gas killed more than just some people.

definitely seems like the hostages lives weren't a concern at all.
 
2002-10-28 12:30:26 PM  
I admit I don't have a better solution, but that's why I'm not in the Russian special forces. Any doctor and tons of normal folks can tell you that anesthetic is not something to be used indiscriminately.
 
2002-10-28 12:31:42 PM  
Oh that's just great. Some cocksmokers rig the bldg to explode and kill everyone with ball bearing bombs, then carp on the rescuers for not being better at doing something that should never have had to be done. Self loathing at it's finest. I guess we should shiat on the architechs for not making the twing towers 767 proof. Good grief. they are fortunate one person was rescued from those Islamafascists (and that is what they are).

I want to puke when I read another thread claiming this gang was lead by a "hired gun". Um last time I checked, hired guns don't typically sign on for suicide missions.
 
2002-10-28 12:32:21 PM  
sombody's always gotta biatch about something.

If they don't like it, put everone back in there, storm the place, and have a shootout. Oh, wait, they're already dead.

Nevermind.
 
2002-10-28 12:35:38 PM  
Well, it looks like we should be doing wepons inspections in Russia too! Geez, why do we (the U.S.) always have to police what everyone else does?

Trolling..... :-)
 
2002-10-28 12:42:47 PM  
all roads lead to Carter (and they gave this monkey the Nobel).

[Zbigniew] Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorised $500million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "destabilise" the Soviet Union...

The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism.

Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.

In Pakistan, they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.

The result, quipped Brzezinski, was "a few stirred up Muslims" - meaning the Taliban.

The Wall Street Journal declared: "The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace. Moreover, they were crucial to secure the country as a prime trans-shipment route for the export of Central Asia's vast oil, gas and other natural resources."
 
2002-10-28 12:51:49 PM  
At least the Russians had a good reason for their actions. I keep forgetting; what did all those people at Waco die for? Oh yeah. For playing with weapons that the government wants to keep to itself, right?

I'm going to be sick now.
 
2002-10-28 12:54:27 PM  
"children with weak organisms"

Good band name.
 
2002-10-28 12:57:06 PM  
"Many of the 50 assailants killed in the rescue mission died after being shot in the head, apparently while unconscious from the gas." ~ CNN.com

Don't mess with the Russians, man.

Uber-hardcore.
 
2002-10-28 01:04:32 PM  
thats funny -
I thought the terrorists were guilty.
Silly Me.
 
2002-10-28 01:04:51 PM  
It would have been MUCH better to just let the Chechens kill everyone.
 
2002-10-28 01:09:06 PM  
Any number of gasses could have been used to subdue the terrorists without lethal effects on ANYONE, much less the hostages.. but it's Russia we're talking about here, what does one expect.

In other news, German toxicologists guilty of the Holocaust.
 
2002-10-28 01:11:02 PM  
"Many of the 50 assailants killed in the rescue mission died after being shot in the head, apparently while unconscious from the gas." ~ CNN.com

They justify it because they were afraid that they might wake up and try to activate some of the explosive devices. IMHO, A valid fear.
 
2002-10-28 01:11:45 PM  
Perhaps I'd feel different if I had friends or family killed... but sometimes you have to sacrifice the few for the many. :(
 
2002-10-28 01:12:59 PM  
Hey. Anaesthetics kill people all the time. Just not usually in theaters.
 
2002-10-28 01:13:59 PM  
What's with the headline?
 
2002-10-28 01:15:52 PM  
Russia cant help but fark things up, just like when they let that crew on the submarine die
 
2002-10-28 01:16:23 PM  
well, at least hostage crisis wasn't staged by Russian secret service, unlike 9/11 events
 
2002-10-28 01:16:56 PM  
Koczynasz
Any number of gasses could have been used to subdue the terrorists without lethal effects on ANYONE...

Name one.
One that doesn't smell, works quickly, isn't lethal, and can fill a theatre fast enought so that all the terrorists pass out near simultaneously.

Or are you talking out of your ass?
 
2002-10-28 01:17:38 PM  
This was all over mainstream media yesterday morning. Why did it take so long to get on FARK?
 
2002-10-28 01:18:19 PM  
Hayduke: you are sick and wrong. I love you.

So what's with the death toll? Those Ruskies are pretty f**ked up charging a death toll.

Solution: DON'T PAY THE DEATH TOLL AND YOU WON'T BE DEATHED!!!

I am against the death toll, totally.
 
2002-10-28 01:18:48 PM  
Snipers near the East Coast, hostage killers in Russia... why can't we get a little of that action out here in California where there are just too many Gawd damn farking people?
 
2002-10-28 01:18:55 PM  
A small percentage of people croak all the time from anesthesia all the time in the US, and that's with a trained anesthesiologist monitoring them during surgeries. Its tricky stuff. Asspirate Alpha should have had the antidote handy at any rate. Poor Russian central planning.

PS: Nothing unclogs a bloated legal caseload like multiple headshots.
 
2002-10-28 01:19:57 PM  
missed link, http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html
 
2002-10-28 01:20:25 PM  
A small percentage of people croak all the time from anesthesia in the US, and that's with a trained anesthesiologist monitoring them during surgeries. Its tricky stuff. Asspirate Alpha should have had the antidote handy at any rate. Poor Russian central planning.

PS: Nothing unclogs a bloated legal caseload like multiple headshots.
 
2002-10-28 01:21:23 PM  
10-28-02 01:16:23 PM Dostick
well, at least hostage crisis wasn't staged by Russian secret service, unlike 9/11 events


Holy Moley!!! The Russian Secret Service staged the 9/11 events?????

What a bunch of no-goodniks.
 
2002-10-28 01:21:31 PM  
I think people who say that the Russians could have easily used a less lethal gas and still subdue the terrorists don't understand how hard of a task this was. This is a multi-story theater complex, with 50 or so terrorists spread about. Just one of these people could have done major damage if they figured out what was going on and had time to detonate a set of explosives.

General anethesia used in surgery at a hospital takes several seconds to put someone under and in that situation they're breathing the gas through a mask. In this case the gas has to be diffused through many rooms via the venting system.
 
2002-10-28 01:23:49 PM  
Everyone on fark forums talks out of their ass.
This is the nations #1 source for: Talking out of your ass, Making up statistics on the spot, pretending to be an expert on the difference between AK-47's and AK-74's when really you just did a google search, making up fake professions to backup your talking out of your ass, so on and and so on.
 
2002-10-28 01:29:48 PM  
CorpusDelicti
Snipers near the East Coast, hostage killers in Russia... why can't we get a little of that action out here in California where there are just too many Gawd damn farking people?


You've just had a California team win a major sporting event, but I don't think I've heard of any riots with dead bystanders. If you guys aren't willing to help yourselves with your population control, why should the rest of us step in?

I'd reserve a ticket to Hell on Expedia.com, but that would be redundant.
 
2002-10-28 01:32:57 PM  
HolyoaK--then leave farker
 
2002-10-28 01:33:11 PM  
I'll bet $50 that the 550+ surviving hostages wish that the special forces would have stormed in head-on without the gas.

And I'll lose that bet, too.
 
2002-10-28 01:33:47 PM  
I can't believe this freekin bull. Most news channels are still calling them Chechen rebels. They're fffffin islamic terrorists.
The U.S. should take notes on how the Russian Special forces handled this, and get the formula for the gas.
The whole building was rigged to explode what the hell else were they supposed to do, send in Bruce Willis?

why should Russia care what France or Italy have to say about this? they should shut the fark up.
 
2002-10-28 01:33:59 PM  
Hayduke:
Got a guffaw out of me congrats


"The Daily Telegraph of Great Britain wrote with reference to a London military expert that it was probably BZ gas. This gas was first used by the American military in Vietnam"
Well that's wonderful, talk about calling the kettle black.

HolyoaK:
Sounds like your ass is plugged up
 
2002-10-28 01:35:20 PM  
HolyoaK - Agreed. But, that's what these forums are here for.

Anyway. I think they should've used the pain beam to stop the terrorists. Oh wait. That's our weapon.
 
2002-10-28 01:36:56 PM  
HolyoaK -- Fark account number 973 and you're only noticing this stuff now? Where have you been the past year or so?
 
2002-10-28 01:40:42 PM  
If im ever in a russian theatre and some terrorists storm the building, im gonna be all like, "no way man", then im gonna hide out in the popcorn machine, cause:

#1 you can eat popcron and live

#2 You can pee and poop in popcorn and it will absorb it

#3 popcorn will act as a filter for all that gas that gets pumped in

I am such a ninja that it aint funny
 
2002-10-28 01:44:23 PM  
HolyoaK NEVER talks out of his ass. HolyoaK is the only honest farker, because Holyoak was one of the first thousand. Thank you for helping me to see the light, HolyoaK. I will look forward to your powerful and scathing insight next time I WIPE MY ASS. Good day to you, sir.
 
2002-10-28 01:46:42 PM  
come to think of it, if I was in the popcorn machine, I could jump out and kill one terrorist at a time.

See, if i used the popcorn as camoflauge.

Damn, im smooth
 
2002-10-28 01:46:45 PM  
A small percentage of people croak all the time from anesthesia all the time in the US...

Oh, cool. I'm going into the hospital Thursday for a little same-day surgery and I have to be under anesthesia.

*Wanda gets warm fuzzy feeling*

I heard that sometimes they give patients Demerol as a pre-op sedative. Is this true?

*Salivating thinking about Demerol*
 
2002-10-28 01:48:39 PM  
BigHonky : HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Stupendous post!!

Remind me to hide behind you when the revolution comes...I like the way you think.
 
2002-10-28 02:22:27 PM  
2 hostages get shot, 115 pass out and choke to death on their own vomit. At least the Chechens had the decency to shoot people to death. I'd rather have that than to go out "John Bonham" style.
 
2002-10-28 02:26:24 PM  
"They allow one retrieve the normal functions of a human organism without known the reason why the functions stopped. "


WHAT?!?!
 
2002-10-28 02:28:23 PM  
My first reaction to the assault was "Hey, they got a few hundred out alive, AND didn't get the building blown up. COOL!"

I stand by that.

Real Horroshow job!
 
2002-10-28 02:34:00 PM  
I'm waiting to see how many live to get out of the hosptital
 
2002-10-28 02:37:13 PM  
My favorite line is about exploding some bombs "in-place".

Nice one, that. Hell, all they needed were a few of the murderers to question. The rest were unnecessary.

I'm sorry as hell about the hostage casulties. It sucks. But it would have sucked worse if the murderers had exploded the bombs and killed everyone.

Fvck a bunch of bombers. Let's string some ears!

2-6
 
2002-10-28 02:41:46 PM  
Totallly off the topic but doesn't Pravada in Russian look like "TIPABAR" in english?
 
2002-10-28 02:59:11 PM  
That doesn't say "Tipabar?" You mean these losers can't even use the right alphabet?
 
2002-10-28 03:06:47 PM  
"They allow one retrieve the normal functions of a human organism without known the reason why the functions stopped."

Let me pull out my Engrish to English translator:

They used crank to wake up the hostages since the doctors called in to help were not told what type of gas was used to knock them out in the first place.
 
2002-10-28 03:17:24 PM  
Ashame Rainbow Six couldnt respond :(
/runs to play games


*side note, why not be happy with the fact they didnt use 4x the number of body bags had they just stormed the farking thing?
 
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