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(Washington Post)   Archbishop of Canterbury: "Okay, so when I said England should adopt Sharia, I didn't mean adopt ALL of it. Just the, you know, good parts"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 110
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2008-02-12 09:59:18 AM
What good parts?
 
2008-02-12 09:59:21 AM
There are good parts?
 
2008-02-12 10:00:30 AM
that dude is an asshole. seriously, he's basically an atheist who is running a church.
 
2008-02-12 10:00:46 AM
Damn it beat me to it.
 
2008-02-12 10:00:54 AM
The good parts, ie. none of it, ie. forget I said anything...
 
2008-02-12 10:01:06 AM
Master Troll
 
2008-02-12 10:01:16 AM
Women... y'know, the good parts... well, there's not much good for them, but they should be making me pie anyway...
 
2008-02-12 10:03:10 AM
I don't think we should destroy the dam, I just think it would be good if we were to create a few little cracks in it! What could possibly go wrong?
 
2008-02-12 10:03:28 AM
Raharu: What good parts?



overlord_mike: There are good parts?

Three lousy seconds.
 
2008-02-12 10:03:43 AM
www.estatevaults.com

GIS
 
2008-02-12 10:04:29 AM
Organized Religion: Killing for God's sake for centuries.
 
2008-02-12 10:05:07 AM
Tatsuma: I don't think we should destroy the dam, I just think it would be good if we were to create a few little cracks in it! What could possibly go wrong?

Best metaphor I've seen in a while. Nice jerb!

/You can have all the Sharia you want in your home country, there, Achmed.
 
2008-02-12 10:05:21 AM
Ok, so that's awesome. Piss off the Muslims who would want their ENTIRE law code adopted, and piss off the English who don't want their law code farked with. Everybody loses; well done.
 
2008-02-12 10:06:11 AM
ScottMpls: Organized Religion: Killing for God's sake for centuries.

3/10
 
2008-02-12 10:06:21 AM
I don't even think this guy knows what the sharia is. He probably just thought "hey, its sorta like the 10 commandments right?"
 
2008-02-12 10:06:22 AM
Biness: seriously, he's basically an atheist who is running a church.

OMG, please don't vote.
 
2008-02-12 10:07:25 AM
Let's send a miller, a cook, a knight, a lawyer, a friar, a summoner, a merchant, a sailor, a squire, and a doctor to go visit this Archbishop....
 
2008-02-12 10:07:52 AM
Biness: that dude is an asshole. seriously, he's basically an atheist who is running a church.

Bzzt. Basically, he's a religious nut who is running a church.
 
2008-02-12 10:08:02 AM
Raharu: What good parts?

Thread won in the boobies. Now to bash Rowan Williams.

He should be less worried about paying the dhimi-geld than the fact that more English worship as Catholics than his degraded official church. I realize this will irk the usual aethists on this board, but maybe it's because the Bishop of Rome offers religion though his franchises and not the touchy-feely PC pablum.


Biness: that dude is an asshole. seriously, he's basically an atheist who is running a church.

Or, as Sir Humphrey would say, a thologian.
 
2008-02-12 10:08:26 AM
I personally do not approve of the execution of William Laud in 1645...but I understand it better now.
 
2008-02-12 10:08:57 AM
The Beatles are more popular than Jesus.
 
2008-02-12 10:09:53 AM
"... you know, which is cool, because, we are experts at just picking out parts of old books we want to promote and say is true, and minimizing and ignoring others".
 
2008-02-12 10:10:42 AM
Wolfmanjames: Or, as Sir Humphrey would say, a thologian.

For knowing who Sir Humphrey is, I give you my "Favorite person of the day" badge!

/Very possibly the best show ever created
 
2008-02-12 10:10:53 AM
Gigantic Smurf Girl

That girl on the right is the palest ninja I've ever seen.
 
2008-02-12 10:10:53 AM
Nestea Plunge: The Beatles are more popular than Jesus.

...and whose fault is that?

/Jesus
 
2008-02-12 10:11:42 AM
syberpud: Gigantic Smurf Girl

That girl on the right is the palest ninja I've ever seen.


Agreed. I kind of like the ninja look. It'd be nice to see it catch on somewhere.

/NUNjas
 
2008-02-12 10:12:33 AM
Gigantic Smurf Girl: GIS

Are you trying to scare me with your Ninja pictures?
 
2008-02-12 10:12:42 AM
Nestea Plunge: The Beatles are more popular than Jesus.

Yeah, but I never saw Ringo turn water into wine ...
 
2008-02-12 10:13:13 AM
syberpud: Gigantic Smurf Girl

That girl on the right is the palest ninja I've ever seen.


I thought that was a manikin.
 
2008-02-12 10:13:27 AM
ScottMpls: Nestea Plunge: The Beatles are more popular than Jesus.

Yeah, but I never saw Ringo turn water into wine ...


You never saw Jesus do it either.
 
2008-02-12 10:13:53 AM
SithLord: Let's send a miller, a cook, a knight, a lawyer, a friar, a summoner, a merchant, a sailor, a squire, and a doctor to go visit this Archbishop....

I say we just stick him in the bum with a hot poker!
 
2008-02-12 10:15:03 AM
Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?
 
2008-02-12 10:15:57 AM
I read that as Shakira's good parts.

images.starpulse.com

Not like there are any bad parts there.
 
2008-02-12 10:16:33 AM
SithLord: Let's send a miller, a cook, a knight, a lawyer, a friar, a summoner, a merchant, a sailor, a squire, and a doctor to go visit this Archbishop....

Nobody would buy such a tale...let alone remember it.
 
2008-02-12 10:17:22 AM
JPhilB: ScottMpls: Organized Religion: Killing for God's sake for centuries.

3/10


What?? It's true.
 
2008-02-12 10:17:46 AM
hard2bnice: I don't even think this guy knows what the sharia is. He probably just thought "hey, its sorta like the 10 commandments right?"

So, what is Sharia law?

Difficulty: No looking at Wikipedia.
 
2008-02-12 10:18:20 AM
Gigantic Smurf Girl: ScottMpls: Nestea Plunge: The Beatles are more popular than Jesus.

Yeah, but I never saw Ringo turn water into wine ...

You never saw Jesus do it either.


Then who in the hell was that drinking my vodak over the weekend?!?!?
 
2008-02-12 10:20:39 AM
I honestly don't see the problem with allowing Muslims to go use a Sharia arbiter if they want as long as those rules don't circumvent English ones (e.g. capital punishment). Many laws in the West are based on Christianity or Judaism, but if we were to take their entire laws into our own secular governments we would be living in hell as well. Religion is the basis for modern morality codified into law. This is a similar concept IMO... It seems normally rational people become irrational and just flip out when there is anything to do with Islam being spoken of. You'll be a lot less scared if you actually do some research and think about it.
 
2008-02-12 10:21:04 AM
A miter, a yamulke, and a turban walk into a bar...
 
2008-02-12 10:22:41 AM
Raharu: What good parts?

Have you heard of temporary marriage? Look it up.
 
2008-02-12 10:23:07 AM
RubberFootMan: Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?

My hat. Let me doff it for you, sir.
 
2008-02-12 10:29:01 AM
WolfmanJames and Tatsuma -

Your lymie-fu is strong. I was certain I would be first with the Yes, Minister quip. Honestly, it is just people standing around talking in suits and a low budget. They can't afford to pay more than about 4 actors for any episode, PLUS it's 25 years old, and it is still one of my favorite things on TV.

i80.photobucket.com

It's sad, as a High Church Protestant myself, to see this guy living out Sir Humphrey's need for "balance" in the Church of England "between those who believe in God and those who don't".

This guy should get the sack for the political equivalent of peeing on an electric fence. However, there is legal precedent for what he intended to say, rather than how we all took it. English common law for a millennium has allowed any 2 uncoerced adults to agree to nearly anything in a contract. We in the US let Orthodox Jews have their own divorce courts as a binding special case of binding arbitration. The tricky bit is whether all parties really aren't coerced into it or just 'wink wink' agree to it so the female victim doen't get her throat cut by people with no reason to fear impotent British police.
 
2008-02-12 10:30:22 AM
I am hereby about to reveal more about my thinking process than I probably should...

sings "Sha-RAY-ah... I care about'cha... I don't wanna push you..."

/any love for old Amy Grant tunes?
 
2008-02-12 10:31:56 AM
Tatsuma: Wolfmanjames: Or, as Sir Humphrey would say, a thologian.

For knowing who Sir Humphrey is, I give you my "Favorite person of the day" badge!

/Very possibly the best show ever created


... yes tatsuma.
 
2008-02-12 10:32:55 AM
And here i thought LAW was some sort of universal basis of identify correctness in our society - How can British civil law exist at the same time as religious sharia law? They both stand on completely different foundations (one of which has the benefit of being changeable to the will of the people)

If someone wants to follow some 2000 year old dead guys teachings fine - but ill be damned if your going to place his fancy little rules up on a pedestal next to my laws that were formed by the people without some savage guilt complex.
 
2008-02-12 10:33:01 AM
This man has mildly irritated me. Would the police please capture him, beat him and torture him for a few days until he confesses to something (dont really care what). Then drag him outside, bury him up to his chest and then pelt him with fist sized rocks in the middle of a large crowd until he no longer breaths.

Thank you.

/pro-multicultural.
 
2008-02-12 10:33:17 AM
ScottMpls: Gigantic Smurf Girl: ScottMpls: Nestea Plunge: The Beatles are more popular than Jesus.

Yeah, but I never saw Ringo turn water into wine ...

You never saw Jesus do it either.

Then who in the hell was that drinking my vodak over the weekend?!?!?


Mary Magdalene. Or someone very much like her.
 
2008-02-12 10:36:06 AM
"I don't even think this guy knows what the sharia is. He probably just thought "hey, its sorta like the 10 commandments right?"

I think he probably has a much better idea than 99% of the people on Fark do.

I'm amazed at how many people think they know anything aobut Shari'ah here, just because they read some internet articles.
 
2008-02-12 10:37:46 AM
keloyd: Your lymie-fu is strong. I was certain I would be first with the Yes, Minister quip. Honestly, it is just people standing around talking in suits and a low budget. They can't afford to pay more than about 4 actors for any episode, PLUS it's 25 years old, and it is still one of my favorite things on TV.

It seems to be a long standing tradition from Brits to take a low budget, a single room and actors in suits talking, and turn it into something quite brilliant

www.chasingthefrog.com
 
2008-02-12 10:40:33 AM
JamUhn: I honestly don't see the problem with allowing Muslims to go use a Sharia arbiter if they want as long as those rules don't circumvent English ones (e.g. capital punishment). Many laws in the West are based on Christianity or Judaism, but if we were to take their entire laws into our own secular governments we would be living in hell as well. Religion is the basis for modern morality codified into law. This is a similar concept IMO... It seems normally rational people become irrational and just flip out when there is anything to do with Islam being spoken of. You'll be a lot less scared if you actually do some research and think about it.

The problem is that most all of Sharia law would be completely illegal in English law. Not just the stoning and the honor killings, but the amputations, being able to forcibly marry off your adult daughter, punishing women for being raped, being allowed to beat women. Plus, Sharia law is much like the thing about the word of the bible being inerrant, you aren't allowed to pick and choose. It's all right, and it's the ONLY right way. Sure it has some stuff in it that might be good (you should optimally try to work it out with your wife before you beat her, unless of course she does something you really don't like), however, you can't get one with out the other, and the former is not only good sense in any event, it is also your only option unless you want to go to jail. You don't need to pick out little bits of Sharia law to tell you to do that, and in any event, to have good bits, you have to take them totally out of the context of the whole. Saying 'work things out with your wife' isn't really what Sharia says. It would be like crossing out most of the words in a paragraph to make sentences with entirely different meanings with the remaining words.
 
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