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2008-02-12 10:43:51 AM  
Biness: did he say, "yea, all the muslims wanted this one guy dead and they were all in on it"? You can't really argue that the supposed religion of peace is, in reality, horribly violent

Do some research. Read about Turkey for instance. Maybe take a trip there.
 
2008-02-12 10:44:35 AM  
Biness: I'm coming after you Jim Davis

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Safe fer work, click it at once.
 
2008-02-12 10:46:20 AM  
mypalmike: Do some research. Read about Turkey for instance. Maybe take a trip there.

Actually, I have an Uncle who owns several companies there. He's said there are very safe parts, and parts where he would be murdered as soon as they saw him.

I know i know, you're all going to say thats true of Detroit as well
 
2008-02-12 10:46:56 AM  
dfacto: But no worries, all the crazy muslims are just crazy because they're poor. When they get integrated and make more cash they'll be too affluent to get angry, just like the rest of us.

/Money is the true opiate of the masses


LIkely untrue. The 911 hijackers were not illiterate palistinian yobs, they were educated, worldly men. It's something that has been bugging me plenty lo these past 7 years.


and the link is www.lasagnacat.com
 
2008-02-12 10:46:59 AM  
kramers_hair: Explain Sri Lanka.

Explain WWII Japan.

Explain US Firebombing of Dresden.

Hell, explain American Idol coontil you give me a closed and complete definition of terrorism, I will continue to view this as a crime against humanity).


The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

That crosses Idol, and firebombing or nukes in WWII off the list.

Sri Lanka is one of the exceptions. Don't make me post that huge ass list of terrorist acts in the last ten years that is some 75% muslim.
 
2008-02-12 10:47:58 AM  
fireclown: dfacto: But no worries, all the crazy muslims are just crazy because they're poor. When they get integrated and make more cash they'll be too affluent to get angry, just like the rest of us.

/Money is the true opiate of the masses

LIkely untrue. The 911 hijackers were not illiterate palistinian yobs, they were educated, worldly men. It's something that has been bugging me plenty lo these past 7 years.


and the link is www.lasagnacat.com


yea, i seem to recall something about Osama being a billionaire. If i was a billionaire I'd do two chicks at once.
 
2008-02-12 10:47:59 AM  
kramers_hair: Irrelevant. Hell, I would cheer the murder of Paul Bernardo but that doesn't mean I'm encouraging someone to kill him.

You're essentially advocating a form of thoughtcrime.


So you feel that a child rapist and murderer is on the same level as a political cartoonist???

I would love to see Bernardo dead but he actually deserves it ... this is not the same. Anyone who cheers the death of a person who drew a cartoon (of anything) is a sick farker (IMO).

So I ask again ... what percentage of muslims would have cheered the death of an elderly cartoonist?? If you answer that then you have a measure of the percentage of muslims who are primitive, violent farkers.
 
2008-02-12 10:48:17 AM  
liam76: kramers_hair: Yes but the marginal cost of kids (the cost of each additional kid) is relatively small compared with the "ROI". They can start earning when they're relatively young (15, and that doesn't count any benefits) plus you need lots of kids to care for you when you're old and have no savings.

I'm sorry, but pretty much every sociologist in the (Western) world is with me on this.

Sorry but if you are dirt poor in a first world country your kids aren't going to be a huge source of revenue, and they are a lot less likely to take care of yoou when you are old than in a thrid world country. You are much better off financially using the extra time that raising more kids takes on getting a better job, getting a better education or just saving the money that the kid would cost you.

sociologists may agree that poor have more kids but I doubt any think that poor are better off financially by having more kids (especially since more normally = having them younger, preventing you from an education). A lot of people are poor because of bad economic decisions. Having kids young is one of the worst economic decisions you can make, but if the wife is encouraged not to work there isn't much to do besides popping out babies.


Again, irrelevant. It part of a larger calculus, when you're poor you can't afford to put all your eggs (financial prospects) in one basket (child).

Since you really really need kids to earn and to support you when you're older, you have lots of them and distribute the risk.

Is the potential payoff smaller? Perhaps. But it is better than the risk of zero payout if you have only one kid, put all your resources into her, and then have nothing when she is hit by a bus...
 
2008-02-12 10:50:55 AM  
"Kasem Ahmad, a spokesman for the Copenhagen-based Islamic Faith Community, a network of Muslim groups that spearheaded protests against the cartoons in Denmark, said he hoped Tuesday's arrests would not rekindle the uproar.

"We urge Muslims to take it calmly," he told the TV2 News network."


Hmmm, So there is concern that the Muslim world will be outraged and fly into a tizzy again because the plot to murder a geriatric cartoonist was thwarted. I guess the Danes deprived them of their right to murder. The guy's comments don't applaud the thwarting of the plot, rather they are aimed at soothing the feelings of Muslims who apparently will be "justifiably" upset.

But the vast majority of them support peace . . . really.
 
2008-02-12 10:51:03 AM  
kramers_hair: Since you really really need kids to earn and to support you when you're older, you have lots of them and distribute the risk.

Is the potential payoff smaller? Perhaps. But it is better than the risk of zero payout if you have only one kid, put all your resources into her, and then have nothing when she is hit by a bus...


I agree with small, farming societies. But can we get the inner-city in America to believe the exact opposite somehow? I hate that Maury is an accurate portrayl of so many people's lives.

/trying to figure out who's the father of her 7th baby
 
2008-02-12 10:52:11 AM  
Tesseractor: Wow! There's so much bigotry in this thread; There isn't even a discussion.

What discussion should there be?

Excusing his actions because the comics were truly hateful?

Pretending that this isn't a trend in the muslims community?

mypalmike: Do some research. Read about Turkey for instance. Maybe take a trip there.

Read the Koran. Now try and find a me a religious text that commands all followers to slay or subdue those that don't follow it. Find me a religious texts that tells of a day when you will wipe out another religion. I am not talking about stories where god or a religious figure did some bad stuff I am talking about a direct command to commit genocide. There are many muslims who are great people and just ignore these parts, but unfortunately most muslims, when questioned, will tell you that the Koran is the word of god and it is all sacred.
 
2008-02-12 10:52:49 AM  
Biness: stereosaur: So overfarming, land exhaustion, lack of water, overgrazing, desertion has never contributed to famine. Oh okay, yeah you sound like you know what you're talking about. Blame it on a government and you sound cool.

I wasn't going for "cool". I suggest you check out PJ O'Rourke's "All the Trouble in the World." Details very accurately how no famine in the 20th century was caused by overpopulation, but was instead cause by government decisions. Somalia in the early 90's, for example, had record crops which were seized by the ruling warlord. As was the bountiful humanitarian aid from the rest of the world.

I only spoke on famine, but good job jumping to conclusions and not reading what I acutally read.


I'm not saying that governments haven't been responsible in probably many cases (probably many more than we know.) But you can not say without a doubt that a world population shock (going from 1.5B to 6B in 100 years) and increasing desertion, as well as exhaustion of farmland, grazing.

This debate has grown weary, agree to disagree.
 
2008-02-12 10:52:52 AM  
liam76:
The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.


What are you, a Scientologist? (I say this because of the dictionary definition).

First of "unlawful" by whose law?

Second, "coerce or intimidate governments ... in pursuit of goals that are political". So the US telling Iraq: "give us Saddam or prepare for 'Shock and Awe'" is essentially terrorism. Or when the US told Pakistan "cooperate or we'll bomb you into the stone age".

No? Of course not, you'll say, because those were lawful expressions of force. Well la dee da.

Sri Lanka is one of the exceptions. Don't make me post that huge ass list of terrorist acts in the last ten years that is some 75% muslim.

75% by your definition. If you can't see the flaw there, God help you.
 
2008-02-12 10:55:10 AM  
liam76: Tesseractor: Wow! There's so much bigotry in this thread; There isn't even a discussion.

What discussion should there be?

Excusing his actions because the comics were truly hateful?

Pretending that this isn't a trend in the muslims community?

mypalmike: Do some research. Read about Turkey for instance. Maybe take a trip there.

Read the Koran. Now try and find a me a religious text that commands all followers to slay or subdue those that don't follow it. Find me a religious texts that tells of a day when you will wipe out another religion. I am not talking about stories where god or a religious figure did some bad stuff I am talking about a direct command to commit genocide. There are many muslims who are great people and just ignore these parts, but unfortunately most muslims, when questioned, will tell you that the Koran is the word of god and it is all sacred.


Stop. Please. People (you, Tatsuma, etc) really embarrass themselves when they claim to be expert on Islamic theology.

I'm not expert, but I seem to know far more than Fark's council on Islamic theology.
 
2008-02-12 10:55:13 AM  
kramers_hair: Explain US Firebombing of Dresden.

The British did that, tard.
 
2008-02-12 10:55:34 AM  
kramers_hair: And the age of the offender matter, why?

I mean if a person deserves death (this person didn't I'm just making a point) then he deserves death regardless of how old he is.


You're actually right. I concede. Some old men, even blind paralyzed old men, deserve a missile up the arse

zioneocon.blogspot.com

I should have said 73 year old cartoonist.
 
2008-02-12 10:55:44 AM  
Persepolis: /PS. FYI, don't do a GIS for "father time" at work, even with safesearch on.

Ironically, turning OFF SafeSearch yeilded SFW results (at least on the first page). But I saw what I assume you meant when SafeSearch was on.
 
2008-02-12 10:56:38 AM  
kramers_hair: Tatsuma: Yes, killing 73 year old man will really show Allah how much of a great warrior you are, guys!

And the age of the offender matter, why?

I mean if a person deserves death (this person didn't I'm just making a point) then he deserves death regardless of how old he is.


Because even though they are just low-lifes and thugs they like to play make-believe that they are warriors. Though not one myself I come from a family of warriors (Marines, soldiers, seaman) and these fanatics are just beneath the contempt of anyone who remotely understands the concept.
 
2008-02-12 10:56:56 AM  
ComicBookGuy: The British did that, tard.

Don't question his knowledge of history, he read Slaughterhouse 5, so he knows what happened there!
 
2008-02-12 10:57:44 AM  
GAT_00: Three cheers for the Religion of Peace, keeping the world safe from things that are only offensive to you.

So can I equate all Christians to the idiots that shoot doctors?

Religion? I hold no stock in it, and I suspect that God doesn't either.
 
2008-02-12 10:58:08 AM  
kramers_hair: Again, irrelevant. It part of a larger calculus, when you're poor you can't afford to put all your eggs (financial prospects) in one basket (child).

Since you really really need kids to earn and to support you when you're older, you have lots of them and distribute the risk.

Is the potential payoff smaller? Perhaps. But it is better than the risk of zero payout if you have only one kid, put all your resources into her, and then have nothing when she is hit by a bus...


So you are honetsly saying if someone messes up and has a kid they are better off popping out 10 kids so one may potentially take care of them instead of getting better educated and getting a better job so they can provide for themselves? Or that they are just better off with 10 kids than an education because one may someday provide for them?

Thinking like that is completely full of fail, and is one of the resaons poor have so many children (that and boredom). In a western society you are better equipped to get a good job and provide for yourself than to trust it to your kids by popping out 10 of them.
 
2008-02-12 10:58:33 AM  
Wow, over 100 posts so far and not a single "But...but...Christians!!1!" post yet. I'm pleasently surprised.
 
2008-02-12 10:59:06 AM  
Tatsuma: kramers_hair: And the age of the offender matter, why?

I mean if a person deserves death (this person didn't I'm just making a point) then he deserves death regardless of how old he is.

You're actually right. I concede. Some old men, even blind paralyzed old men, deserve a missile up the arse

I should have said 73 year old cartoonist.


You really can't stay on topic can you?
 
2008-02-12 11:00:08 AM  
You really can't stay on topic can you?

You surprised?
 
2008-02-12 11:00:38 AM  
Tatsuma: ComicBookGuy: The British did that, tard.

Don't question his knowledge of history, he read Slaughterhouse 5, so he knows what happened there!


Well, I suspect in his world the U.S. takes a disproportionate blame for events.

There are some people that would blame the U.S., somehow, if a meteorite wiped out life in Paraguay, for example.
 
2008-02-12 11:00:40 AM  
kramers_hair: You really can't stay on topic can you?

How the fark am I not staying on topic??

You said "How is age relevant", and I agreed with your point and provided a proof to back my agreement with you, then said I should have changed my statement to 73 year old cartoonist

For fark's sake.
 
2008-02-12 11:01:59 AM  
ComicBookGuy: Well, I suspect in his world the U.S. takes a disproportionate blame for events.

There are some people that would blame the U.S., somehow, if a meteorite wiped out life in Paraguay, for example.


I believe that part of it is cultural. Canadians, especially Ontarians, Quebecois and BCers, really hold a collective worldview that America is baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Very very baaaaaaaad.
 
2008-02-12 11:02:04 AM  
ComicBookGuy: Tatsuma: ComicBookGuy: The British did that, tard.

Don't question his knowledge of history, he read Slaughterhouse 5, so he knows what happened there!

Well, I suspect in his world the U.S. takes a disproportionate blame for events.

There are some people that would blame the U.S., somehow, if a meteorite wiped out life in Paraguay, for example.


well in that case global arming would clearly have attracted the meteor, and the US is totally responsible for that.

/kidding
//global warming isn't man made
 
2008-02-12 11:02:08 AM  
Kanyon: Wow, over 100 posts so far and not a single "But...but...Christians!!1!" post yet. I'm pleasently surprised.

I think it is generally accepted that christians are about a century or two ahead of muslims. The whole "murder in the name of god" thing is less common and more subtle with them.
 
2008-02-12 11:02:25 AM  
kramers_hair: Tatsuma: kramers_hair: And the age of the offender matter, why?

I mean if a person deserves death (this person didn't I'm just making a point) then he deserves death regardless of how old he is.

You're actually right. I concede. Some old men, even blind paralyzed old men, deserve a missile up the arse

I should have said 73 year old cartoonist.

You really can't stay on topic can you?


Tatsuma might make some asides, as it were, but I don't think he really gets off topic for too long.
 
2008-02-12 11:02:58 AM  
Farking Canuck: Kanyon: Wow, over 100 posts so far and not a single "But...but...Christians!!1!" post yet. I'm pleasently surprised.

I think it is generally accepted that christians are about a century or two ahead of muslims. The whole "murder in the name of god" thing is less common and more subtle with them.


oh don't say that. someone is going to find some obscure example and try to argue that its the same thing
 
2008-02-12 11:05:33 AM  
Tatsuma: I believe that part of it is cultural. Canadians, especially Ontarians, Quebecois and BCers, really hold a collective worldview that America is baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Very very baaaaaaaad.

Sorry Tats ... the "worldview" you are talking about is more of a world view. Not just limited to a few Canadian provinces.

Although I wouldn't say that the view from western countries is "America is bad" ... more that "America is a bully" (and nobody likes a bully).
 
2008-02-12 11:05:34 AM  
kramers_hair: No? Of course not, you'll say, because those were lawful expressions of force. Well la dee da.

Lawful gets a bit tricky but unless you see warfare as lawful (that doesn;t make it ok) then every act of violence between countries is terrorism, making the word meaningless.

But if that is too tough for you how about this. If I define terrorism as intentional targetting of civilians with no chance at military targets or association with military targets. Find me a group besides muslims who make it a weekly practice.

kramers_hair: Stop. Please. People (you, Tatsuma, etc) really embarrass themselves when they claim to be expert on Islamic theology.

I'm not expert, but I seem to know far more than Fark's council on Islamic theology.


Read it yourself and tell me I am wrong. read the whole Koran and tell me I am making stuff up. Go to a mmuslim country and ask people if they believe it is the word of God.
 
2008-02-12 11:06:17 AM  
Tatsuma: ComicBookGuy: Well, I suspect in his world the U.S. takes a disproportionate blame for events.

There are some people that would blame the U.S., somehow, if a meteorite wiped out life in Paraguay, for example.

I believe that part of it is cultural. Canadians, especially Ontarians, Quebecois and BCers, really hold a collective worldview that America is baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Very very baaaaaaaad.


I always wondered if it could be a self-esteem thing. Like uneducated white trash looking down on ghetto trash, and vice-versa. A prejudicial mad lib thing: "I may be a loser, but at least I'm not______"
 
2008-02-12 11:06:19 AM  
Persepolis: don't do a GIS for "father time"

same goes for this
thesteelykid.com
 
2008-02-12 11:06:29 AM  
ComicBookGuy: Tatsuma might make some asides, as it were, but I don't think he really gets off topic for too long.

Thank you very much

Plus, I really don't see how this was off topic, unless I'm forbidden to say that someone is right by bringing examples that are not directly related to TFA.
 
2008-02-12 11:07:35 AM  
Looks like they got caught by the luck of the Draw.

/groaning
 
2008-02-12 11:07:36 AM  
Farking Canuck:

I think it is generally accepted that christians are about a century or two ahead of muslims. The whole "murder in the name of god" thing is less common and more subtle with them.

Also, when a Christian says that God told them to kill someone, everyone knows they're nuts.
 
2008-02-12 11:08:19 AM  
Unright: sepuku2: Nestea Plunge: Hitler helped solve some of that.

By killing other Europeans? Remember the Arabs were his allies. (pops)

Responding to a Godwin with a one-up Godwin doesn't cancel the first Godwin, it just makes the thread exponentially more stupid.

/Stop.


I say don't stop. Unright is just being a thread nazi!
 
2008-02-12 11:09:19 AM  
Farking Canuck: Tatsuma: I believe that part of it is cultural. Canadians, especially Ontarians, Quebecois and BCers, really hold a collective worldview that America is baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Very very baaaaaaaad.

Sorry Tats ... the "worldview" you are talking about is more of a world view. Not just limited to a few Canadian provinces.

Although I wouldn't say that the view from western countries is "America is bad" ... more that "America is a bully" (and nobody likes a bully).


Americans don't have a hive mind, just so you know. I think you can find ample proof of that in political threads.
 
2008-02-12 11:10:12 AM  
kramers_hair: First of "unlawful" by whose law?

This is why we need a World Law. Something definitive, but not as detailed as any specific nation's own laws, just a set of "these acts are unacceptable under any circumstances, anywhere" laws. Preferably with both minimum AND maximum punishments for the crimes within.

Any country not signing on to the treaty gets excluded by all participants, economically.

When the twentieth century arrived, Europe was in charge. However, right around then, they realized that their attitude over the past few hundred or thousand years had been unfair, and bigoted. This led to the rise of terms like "ethnocentrism", decrying people for judging other cultures by their own culture's baseless principles; to pick an example, monogamy versus polygamy; neither's inherently "more moral" in and of itself, if we remove the separate concept of egality of the sexes (since most complaints about polygamy center around a culture that uses it as part of their inherent misogyny, the issue being the misogyny, not the polygamy).

However, at the dawn of the twenty first century, we have to realize that the pendulum swung too far. It's fine to not judge other cultures on the baseless principles of our own; that's like being condescending over someone who eats at Burger King when you prefer McDonalds. However, we HAVE to draw the goddamn line and recognize that some things are valid to judge, and condescend, and impugn other cultures for. Sitting back and hemming and hawing while another country allows its men to beat women to death makes you culpable. Especially when you've got the strength to stop them.

Will people die, in the short term, through this? Sure. I'm basically talking about something that would likely become World War 3. However, people are already dying. I would rather see people die, fighting to protect others, than see victims dying because those who could help just look the other way.

Frankly, it's no different than hearing a woman being raped in an alley, and just turning up your iPod and going on your merry way.
 
2008-02-12 11:10:29 AM  
Farking Canuck: Sorry Tats ... the "worldview" you are talking about is more of a world view. Not just limited to a few Canadian provinces.

Most of the world? Maybe. When I look at most of the world, I'm really glad America isn't what they would want America to be. Extremely glad, in fact.

ComicBookGuy: I always wondered if it could be a self-esteem thing. Like uneducated white trash looking down on ghetto trash, and vice-versa. A prejudicial mad lib thing: "I may be a loser, but at least I'm not______"

Definitely. Canadian identity mostly revolves around "Well, at least we're not Americans".

You can see it with stuff like "Talking to Americans". They go in America and ask zany questions to Americans about Canada and then make fun of them when they don't know. Two things:

Americans really don't give a shiat about Canada. Unless we run out of lumber and moose, we won't.

Even Canadians don't care and know Canadian history, so to expect Americans to know better than them is retarted.
 
2008-02-12 11:11:39 AM  
TatsumaI believe that part of it is cultural. Canadians, especially Ontarians, Quebecois and BCers, really hold a collective worldview that America is baaaaaaaaaaaaad. Very very baaaaaaaad.

Put the brush away tough guy.
 
2008-02-12 11:11:45 AM  
ComicBookGuy: Americans don't have a hive mind, just so you know. I think you can find ample proof of that in political threads.

we do so hive a mind. We just let idiots have free run with the media and whatnot. We may look bad from time to time, but its only because we're not hiding our dirty laundry. It's like we're the high school QB. Everyone knows everything about us, if they don't like us they focus on the bad stuff. Doesn't mean there isn't tons and tons of great stuff.
 
2008-02-12 11:12:10 AM  
Tatsuma: ComicBookGuy: Tatsuma might make some asides, as it were, but I don't think he really gets off topic for too long.

Thank you very much

Plus, I really don't see how this was off topic, unless I'm forbidden to say that someone is right by bringing examples that are not directly related to TFA.


Well, I don't believe we have many rules on this website. There are SOME...but an academic debate society this ISN'T.
 
2008-02-12 11:14:11 AM  
Tatsuma: retarted

Resmarted?
 
2008-02-12 11:14:34 AM  
voodoohotdog: Put the brush away tough guy.

I said it was a collective worldview, not that they all held that view. How does that make me a tough guy, by the way? There is a prevalent anti-Americanism feeling in certain parts of the Canadian society, especially the left-wing. That's a fact.

ComicBookGuy: Well, I don't believe we have many rules on this website. There are SOME...but an academic debate society this ISN'T.

It isn't?!
 
2008-02-12 11:15:37 AM  
Tatsuma: voodoohotdog: Put the brush away tough guy.

I said it was a collective worldview, not that they all held that view. How does that make me a tough guy, by the way? There is a prevalent anti-Americanism feeling in certain parts of the Canadian society, especially the left-wing. That's a fact.

ComicBookGuy: Well, I don't believe we have many rules on this website. There are SOME...but an academic debate society this ISN'T.

It isn't?!


Does that mean I should take this off my resume?
 
2008-02-12 11:15:38 AM  
sendtodave: Resmarted?

That was a nice typo, but now I want a fruit tart

/hasn't eaten in 24 hours
 
2008-02-12 11:16:13 AM  
Biness: Does that mean I should take this off my resume?

Well, I thought I was accumulating credits toward a diploma. Looks like I lost a few years of my life. Fark.
 
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