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(WBALTV)   Making kids unable to drop out of school until they're 18 instead of 16 sounds like a good idea. Until you consider it will cost $200 million a year, which will mean less teachers and supplies, but way more children   (wbaltv.com) divider line 161
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2008-02-11 01:22:36 PM  
For those of you who have never taught in public schools... this is a terrible idea. We spend enough of our time dealing with bad behavior from students who don't want to learn now. Imagine adding about 30% more turned off, goof offs to the schools. Those remaining students who really value education will get screwed again.
 
2008-02-11 01:28:37 PM  
"which will mean less fewer teachers and supplies, but way more children"

Yeah, I mean, subby seemed to do fine.

/difficult issue, time for lunch.
 
2008-02-11 01:29:28 PM  
I totally struck "less" damn it.

/either way
 
2008-02-11 01:36:28 PM  
Actually, it will mean MORE teachers, which is what the teachers unions are all about. They just want increased membership/dues/money and could give fark all about individual teachers or students.
 
2008-02-11 01:40:07 PM  
I suspect this will turn out in a similar fashion to the "Bus in Troublemakers From Other Schools" program for ballet recitals.
 
2008-02-11 01:41:01 PM  
liberalish: Yeah, I mean, subby seemed to do fine.

You win fail HTML class :D
 
2008-02-11 02:02:35 PM  
You guys suck for picking apart my headline already.

/subby
 
2008-02-11 02:05:12 PM  
lordargent: liberalish: Yeah, I mean, subby seemed to do fine.

You win fail HTML class :D

yep, pretty much
 
2008-02-11 02:18:30 PM  
bearsfolks: For those of you who have never taught in public schools... this is a terrible idea. We spend enough of our time dealing with bad behavior from students who don't want to learn now. Imagine adding about 30% more turned off, goof offs to the schools. Those remaining students who really value education will get screwed again.

Would these older students even show up to class? Are there repercussions for not attending class now?
 
2008-02-11 02:19:17 PM  
We're paying for them one way or another. Whether it's educating them now or supporting them on welfare later.
 
2008-02-11 02:20:44 PM  
liberalish: lordargent: liberalish: Yeah, I mean, subby seemed to do fine.

You win fail HTML class :D

yep, pretty much


Well played.
 
2008-02-11 02:30:52 PM  
BobtheFascist: We're paying for them one way or another. Whether it's educating them now or supporting them on welfare later.

Some dropouts do so because they are bored.

I dropped out in my senior year because all the study halls were interfering with my $25/hr job and my counselor thought I was bluffing, so the biatch wouldn't let me graduate early. I first cleared the six-digits barrier at 32 and I have a doctorate in CS and a BSEE. That counselor, last I heard, is on the dole.

So I don't get invited to the class reunions... I think I can live with that.
 
2008-02-11 02:38:26 PM  
Kids should have the option of continuing public education from the age of 15 years. Further, they should have the option to switch to trade schools at 15 years.

Kids who continue public school beyond 15 years should be required to maintain a 3.0 or higher GPA, else they get put on probation for a semester, and dropped if they don't pick up the slack.

This will prevent the artificial dumbing-down of classes for those who genuinely want to learn, while focusing education in a more intelligent manner.

Not every human has the capacity or inclination toward higher learning. All that you can accomplish by forcing these square pegs into your round hole is; a pissed-off peg and a sore hole.
 
2008-02-11 03:00:31 PM  
Requiring a 3.0 GPA is a terrible, terrible idea. Sorry, but no. A 2.5 maybe, a 2 sure.
 
2008-02-11 03:02:00 PM  
So do you toss kids in jail if they refuse? ( Yeah, that'll teach 'em )
 
2008-02-11 03:10:25 PM  
I graduated with a 2.8 GPA in high school. I guess I'm dumb, right?

/31 ACT
//1140 SAT taken in 8th grade
///HS GPA requirements = dumb
 
2008-02-11 03:11:48 PM  
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2008-02-11 03:21:04 PM  
TheCid: Requiring a 3.0 GPA is a terrible, terrible idea. Sorry, but no. A 2.5 maybe, a 2 sure.

Anyone with enough neurons to absorb the information can make a 3.0 GPA. If they don't, they have no interest in classes and can only hold others back.

Sorry, but if they can't keep up they'll have to take one for the team.

There are other education programs for people who are not capable of pulling a 3.0 in a modern high school, and those people are either not trying or they are in the wrong program.
 
2008-02-11 03:23:46 PM  
YoungSwedishBlonde: I graduated with a 2.8 GPA in high school. I guess I'm dumb, right?

/31 ACT
//1140 SAT taken in 8th grade
///HS GPA requirements = dumb


You're kind of a special case, Doug...and that brings me to my other gripe; should abortion in the 324th trimester be legal?
 
2008-02-11 03:27:59 PM  
Giblet - I dropped out in my senior year because all the study halls were interfering with my $25/hr job and my counselor thought I was bluffing, so the biatch wouldn't let me graduate early. I first cleared the six-digits barrier at 32 and I have a doctorate in CS and a BSEE. That counselor, last I heard, is on the dole.

Sounds like you were ahead of the curve. Kudos. A student in your situation should've been allowed to graduate early & move on to college. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of dropouts are able to look forward to such a bright future.
 
2008-02-11 03:33:55 PM  
They wouldn't let me graduate early, so I slept through the last semester of my senior year and graduated with a 1.9.
 
2008-02-11 03:42:49 PM  
Giblet: TheCid: Requiring a 3.0 GPA is a terrible, terrible idea. Sorry, but no. A 2.5 maybe, a 2 sure.

Anyone with enough neurons to absorb the information can make a 3.0 GPA. If they don't, they have no interest in classes and can only hold others back.

Sorry, but if they can't keep up they'll have to take one for the team.

There are other education programs for people who are not capable of pulling a 3.0 in a modern high school, and those people are either not trying or they are in the wrong program.


Keep in mind that schools vary. Some schools hand out A's like candy, other schools make you work your ass off just to earn a C.

Also, a 3.0 hard cutoff? So someone hits 2.9 and they're farked? Seriously?

No. Cutoffs need to be generous. 2.0 and I could maybe see 2.5 are reasonable cutoffs. 3.0 is absurd. You're turning high school from "the norm" to "the elite".
 
2008-02-11 03:45:01 PM  
BobtheFascist: Sounds like you were ahead of the curve. Kudos. A student in your situation should've been allowed to graduate early & move on to college. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot of dropouts are able to look forward to such a bright future.

No, I think most of them get a job in a factory.

A few go to prison, but proportionally speaking, I suspect just as many HS grads go to prison; ie, there is probably no statistical basis for claiming dropouts are more likely to go to prison or end up on welfare than HS grads.

I see no real problem with that. There is a much larger market for unskilled labor in this country than there is for skilled or highly-skilled labor.

If our educational system took this into account and provided more/better trade school programs (electricity/electronics, gas/diesel/jet engine repair, plumbing, admin assistance, architectural carpentry, welding, masonry, nursing, etc., with options for post-grad training in those fields), these folks might very well lead more productive lives while high school students could genuinely prepare themselves for true specialization.

That just seems like a no-brainer way to spend educational funding, perhaps targeted toward the immediate needs of the surrounding community.

This would also impact colleges and universities; they'd have to teach advanced courses instead of the moronic pablum they cram down student's throats now.
 
2008-02-11 03:51:51 PM  
If people are too dumb to get a high school education, we can't force them to. They will just bring everyone else down. I am all for worthless people dropping out.
 
2008-02-11 04:00:48 PM  
TheCid: Also, a 3.0 hard cutoff? So someone hits 2.9 and they're farked? Seriously?

No. I said they'd go on probation for a semester.

You're looking at the problem of education COMPLETELY wrong, because public school has conditioned you to do so. Education should NEVER be a pass/fail game. Instead, it should be a best-fit game. That will always be easier and serve the students (and the entire community) better than the current 1500's style of education could ever do.

If you make me king, there will be no shame in getting bounced out of HS; it just means you can begin specializing early by switching to the public trades and industry programs where you're more likely to make head of your graduating class and have first-pick of some rather high-paying jobs.

Trust me. An electrician, welder, nurse, or plumber can make a heck of a lot of money.

I bet I can even talk a large community's businesses into partial/full financial backing for trade schools that will prepare students for positions at those businesses.

Step #1: Eliminate our failed US Department of Education.
Step #2: Make me king.
Step #5: Profit.
 
2008-02-11 04:07:16 PM  
Great, punish all the students who actually want to be there.
 
2008-02-11 05:09:23 PM  
aniktwo: Are there repercussions for not attending class now?

The parents get sent to jail i think
 
2008-02-11 05:11:22 PM  
Personally, when I made my kids, I designed it so they were unable to drop out of school at all.

But that's just me.
 
2008-02-11 05:11:36 PM  
When I was at school most people left when they were 17. About 1 in 10 did the final year. Now the standards have been lowered so that everyone can stay till they are 18 and then go to uni as well. FORCING everyone to stay is an even worse idea.

/Public school FTL
//Get off my lawn
 
2008-02-11 05:11:39 PM  
Class of 2009
www.filmmakermagazine.com
 
2008-02-11 05:12:16 PM  
Can't they just say "stay in school or we'll ship you to Iraq". Or better yet "stay in school, graduate, or we'll ship you to Iraq".

I should run for the school board.
 
2008-02-11 05:13:09 PM  
Come on, we don't need more teachers or more students we just need more maps.
 
2008-02-11 05:13:31 PM  
Goddamn illegals are sucking up all the resources.
 
2008-02-11 05:13:53 PM  
Bad idea.

I wanted to "drop out" when I was 16. I was already taking college classes and doing decently in them; meanwhile, I was failing all of my high school coursework because I didn't bother to show up. You have to be 17 in Texas, though, which meant one more year spent largely farking around, excepting said college coursework.
 
2008-02-11 05:15:08 PM  
I just dropped out of junior high school so i'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2008-02-11 05:15:43 PM  
incircles: Bad idea.

I wanted to "drop out" when I was 16. I was already taking college classes and doing decently in them; meanwhile, I was failing all of my high school coursework because I didn't bother to show up. You have to be 17 in Texas, though, which meant one more year spent largely farking around, excepting said college coursework.


In many states they have the student option program, you take college classes instead of high school classes, get credit for them and the school foots the bill.
 
2008-02-11 05:15:51 PM  
The problems with our education system are caused by maps. 'Cause there are like um, not enough maps, and so um like um we should have more maps.
 
2008-02-11 05:16:08 PM  
FTA "A new report said the state could sharply reduce high school dropout rates by requiring students to remain in school..."

Brilliant!
 
2008-02-11 05:16:16 PM  
i dunno, i'm leaning towards giblet now. if he gets the nod from mccain, i'll cross over.

this is serious issue. we can't all be middle managers. we'll never outsource plumbers and carpenters (unless you count cheap immigrant labor, which would likely dry up if we started training our own to do it. not that i oppose immigration.)
 
2008-02-11 05:16:18 PM  
This could lead to less teacher/student sex scandals, which would be bad for Fark, hence bad for us all.
 
2008-02-11 05:16:42 PM  
Giblet: TheCid: Requiring a 3.0 GPA is a terrible, terrible idea. Sorry, but no. A 2.5 maybe, a 2 sure.

Anyone with enough neurons to absorb the information can make a 3.0 GPA. If they don't, they have no interest in classes and can only hold others back.

Sorry, but if they can't keep up they'll have to take one for the team.

There are other education programs for people who are not capable of pulling a 3.0 in a modern high school, and those people are either not trying or they are in the wrong program.


Maybe we could call the 3.0+ students the "Alpha" class. And anyone who can't keep up would be like Betas or Omegas or something.
 
2008-02-11 05:16:49 PM  
BobtheFascist: We're paying for them one way or another. Whether it's educating them now or supporting them on welfare later.

Currently we're paying to educate or support. If we make them stay, we'll just be paying to educate AND support.
 
2008-02-11 05:17:22 PM  
Someone think of the little snowflakes!

Seriously folks, if little Twatwaffle Crotchfruit isn't cutting it by age 16, they're pretty much done. Let them graduate to McDonalds and make way for the smart kids.
 
2008-02-11 05:18:19 PM  
"The world needs ditch diggers, too."

mark.morency.com
 
2008-02-11 05:18:35 PM  
We're all missing the point.

Only cute kids should be allowed in school so the perv teachers will want to come to work each day.

/backing away from 'puter
//running
///aaaccckkk!
 
HBK
2008-02-11 05:18:56 PM  
Zarkin Frood

ED? Really? I hear they got pills for that.
 
2008-02-11 05:19:10 PM  
Giblet: TheCid: Requiring a 3.0 GPA is a terrible, terrible idea. Sorry, but no. A 2.5 maybe, a 2 sure.

Anyone with enough neurons to absorb the information can make a 3.0 GPA. If they don't, they have no interest in classes and can only hold others back.

Sorry, but if they can't keep up they'll have to take one for the team.

There are other education programs for people who are not capable of pulling a 3.0 in a modern high school, and those people are either not trying or they are in the wrong program.


Never had much above 2.3 in high school. Yet, I have been able to earn a B.A., M.A., and M.S.

Yep, I was one of those dumb ones.
 
2008-02-11 05:19:26 PM  
children who don't meet certain standards should be executed
 
2008-02-11 05:20:18 PM  
FTFA: A new report said the state could sharply reduce high school dropout rates by requiring students to remain in school until they turn 18.

Lawmakers also believe they can reduce the number of people without health insurance by mandating that all citizens buy insurance and reduce homelessness by requiring all the homeless to buy their own homes. Brilliant!
 
2008-02-11 05:20:43 PM  
On the one hand, increasing the education of your labor pool will result in increased productivity of the society as a whole.

On the other hand, as pointed out above, increasing the number of students without increasing or improving the facilities, educators, etc, will lead to smaller and smaller rates of improvement. That whole principle of diminishing returns from economics class in action here.

Decisions, decisions...
 
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