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(The Hollywood Reporter)   If you thought Michael Moore's documentaries were so left wing they flew in circles, wait until you see the filmed version of Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States"   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 95
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2008-02-08 01:34:54 PM  
Is he farking Matt Damon???!!
 
2008-02-08 01:35:34 PM  
oh right, I forgot that history is only to be taught skewed by the sides that won, and that everything in that book is false because it tries to tell history from the sides of people that don't matter.
 
2008-02-08 01:36:33 PM  
How about Noam Chomsky's "Manufacturing
Consent?"

www.enric.es
 
2008-02-08 01:37:02 PM  
On another note, read the damn book. I guarantee that you'll learn something new, and it's a shame that most people are only going to know of its existence through some crappy movie.

Seriously. GO READ IT.
 
2008-02-08 01:37:11 PM  
I read Zinn during my high school AP US History class.

Subby is a tad misguided.
 
2008-02-08 01:38:01 PM  
O god, here we go.
 
2008-02-08 01:38:17 PM  
Who the hell wrote that article and what the hell was wrong with him?

?
 
2008-02-08 01:38:41 PM  
Also, I'd like submitter to explain how, from the article, he gathered that the movie will be "so left-wing it flies in circles."

I didn't get that at all.
 
2008-02-08 01:39:45 PM  
robot_in_disguise: I didn't get that at all.

Read the book - you'll get it.
 
2008-02-08 01:40:22 PM  
ThatGuyGreg

I thought I made it abundantly clear that I had read the book.
 
2008-02-08 01:41:19 PM  
have to wait to see the movie before making a judgement call. Consider, the book is extremely and painstakingly annotated. Kind of hard to list sources in a movie and keep it interesting. Although, FTA it looks like more of a jam fest, reading session, hippy love in.

/pretty leftist
//hates hippies
///mostly hates patchouli
 
2008-02-08 01:42:21 PM  
Great book.

Easy read, too.
 
2008-02-08 01:43:15 PM  
I'd love to see Ken Burns do it. Great book.
 
2008-02-08 01:44:08 PM  
i117.photobucket.com
 
2008-02-08 01:44:36 PM  
My AP history teacher loved this book. He said it was a kind of 'left wing bible'
 
2008-02-08 01:45:30 PM  
History is written by the winners baby
So let's make a little of our, our own tonight
If you think that my idea of fun is a drag
Then you've never been to paradise...

/Loves Zinn
//Will definitely see the movie, having read the book
 
2008-02-08 01:53:37 PM  
robot_in_disguise: Also, I'd like submitter to explain how, from the article, he gathered that the movie will be "so left-wing it flies in circles."

I didn't get that at all.


Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
 
2008-02-08 01:53:59 PM  
ive never read the book, i just looked up the cliff notes online that outline every chapter after seeing the article, and ill admit it looked like a hard left turn at every page. But after reading more of it, it really doesnt take any side. theres a whole chapter about the clinton presidency and how it failed to live up to its promises *big suprise with any presidency i suppose*. i think im going to go pick this up so im not a movie bandwagon jumper
 
2008-02-08 01:56:20 PM  
Gunaga
Definitely one of the funniest/most ridiculous things I've seen on Fark. Let me guess ... next you will say "Mann Coulter looks like a dude though!!" he he he But how dare you make fun of his being fat??
Have you ever seen a Moore mocumentary??

// His weight issue is slightly overpowered by his blatant falsehoods and biased stories. Ever wonder why he only shows his one (edited) side of any story? And only talks with groups that agree with him? I didn't think so. But hey he hates bush too so he must be onto something?
 
2008-02-08 01:57:20 PM  
FTFA: The book, first published in 1980, presents American history through a bottoms up approach, focusing on voices seldom heard in history books such as defiant Indians, mutinous soldiers, striking workers, and rebellious women.
or, as I like to call them, "the losers."
 
2008-02-08 01:58:19 PM  
* reading recommendation for farkers on both sides of the aisle.

The Rebel Sell: Why the culture can't be jammed
By Joseph Heath and Andrew Potter

it's called something else in the states.

It's an entertaining book written in two parts (both authors take their stance on the topic). Although it may come off left wing it slams the liberals just as hard as they slam the right wingers.
 
2008-02-08 01:59:32 PM  
If left is wrong, then I don't wanna be right.
 
2008-02-08 02:00:46 PM  
Reality has a leftwing bias.
 
2008-02-08 02:05:01 PM  
The book, first published in 1980, presents American history through a bottoms up approach, focusing on voices seldom heard in history books such as defiant Indians, mutinous soldiers, striking workers, and rebellious women.

Moochers, the lot of 'em. When is someone going to make a movie about America's REAL victims - rich people?
 
2008-02-08 02:06:36 PM  
I've never understood why some people get so offended by this book. If I recall correctly, Zinn never intended his book to be a replacement for other history books. It was/is intended as a supplement to what many are taught in schools. The history as mass movements and popular action/resistance is just as important as the actions of your favorite captain of industry or wealthy politician. The willful ignoring of this kind of American history is an action of socio-political suppression.

It's saddening that people in a country that purports to represent liberty, democracy and opportunity would so gladly fellate the heros of the ruling class.
 
2008-02-08 02:06:43 PM  
Bartman66: Gunaga
Definitely one of the funniest/most ridiculous things I've seen on Fark. Let me guess ... next you will say "Mann Coulter looks like a dude though!!" he he he But how dare you make fun of his being fat??
Have you ever seen a Moore mocumentary??

// His weight issue is slightly overpowered by his blatant falsehoods and biased stories. Ever wonder why he only shows his one (edited) side of any story? And only talks with groups that agree with him? I didn't think so. But hey he hates bush too so he must be onto something?


Take it easy, Francis. I've got a Sgt Hulka pic and I'm not afraid to use it.
 
2008-02-08 02:06:55 PM  
Wretch.
 
2008-02-08 02:11:10 PM  
Christoper Columbus was a coont. The End.
 
2008-02-08 02:11:29 PM  
If Zinn was a chiropractor he'd have wrote the same book but would have ascribed everything to bad posture. As a socialist he feels the need to tie everything into the neat black-white socialist class struggle whereby all people are oppressed by the capitalist and all bad things stem from it.

If you're looking for a leftist response or conspiracy...this book has it.
 
2008-02-08 02:15:03 PM  
Mrbogey: If Zinn was a chiropractor he'd have wrote the same book but would have ascribed everything to bad posture. As a socialist he feels the need to tie everything into the neat black-white socialist class struggle whereby all people are oppressed by the capitalist and all bad things stem from it.

If you're looking for a leftist response or conspiracy...this book has it.


As opposed to the one-sided history generally presented as the mainstream American mythology? Historical facts aren't a conspiracy against reality. Denial of them is.
 
2008-02-08 02:22:53 PM  
Gunga, congratulations. You win the STUPID for this thread. Acceptance speech?
 
2008-02-08 02:23:19 PM  
Brown Jenkems: As opposed to the one-sided history generally presented as the mainstream American mythology

one-sided? we revisit history and change our perceptions of it all the time. we're pretty honest about that as a nation.

for example, look how we consider columbus now. it makes people guilty to celebrate him. imagine anyone suggesting holding another huge Columbian Exposition like we used to in the past?
 
2008-02-08 02:24:37 PM  
Brown Jenkems: As opposed to the one-sided history generally presented as the mainstream American mythology? Historical facts aren't a conspiracy against reality. Denial of them is.

One-sided?

See that's the problem with Zinn and his supporters. He views his book as a companion to a one-sided teaching curricullum yet when you call his book one-sided the sphincter factor on his defender rises exponentially. His book IS one-sided in that it views everything the same way with everyone who is the "hero" in pop history being the "villain" in his version. You have to give his version the same bit of salt you apply to other history too. But his lefty readers always neglect that and take his book as the "truth" while everything else is "lies".

All done with the same overarching story of class struggle even when it's really not.
 
2008-02-08 02:30:55 PM  
Mrbogey: If you're looking for a leftist response or conspiracy...this book has it.

As a conspiracy-minded socialist (well, I'm not, but for American political purposes I'll do), I disagree. It's pretty thin gruel if you're looking to rouse the rabble and bring about a glorious proletarian revolution, etc.

Back in its day, it really did make a lot of people wet themselves with paranoia over the whole notion that the "voices from below" were seeing print, and not just in Pete Seeger liner notes. Those people regarded Strom Thurmond as a moderate, and are now mostly dead. Pretty much everyone left, conservative or liberal, has gotten used to the idea that the poor/dark-skinned/funny-talking/frontier-living-on/enslaved/female/unionist/etc. have voices that occasionally show up in a history book.
 
2008-02-08 02:33:46 PM  
This just in:
America has a nasty history they would rather not discuss,
much like ever other country, ever.
 
2008-02-08 02:36:54 PM  
gunga galunga :

I'd like to point out the same thing can be said with justice and far more accuracy about Rush Limbaugh.

Oh, wait. He lost most of his weight. Sorry Franken.
 
2008-02-08 02:39:52 PM  
neilio42: Gunga, congratulations. You win the STUPID for this thread. Acceptance speech?

My God, this is just so....**catches breath**...this is just so overwhelming. First of all, I would like to give my thanks and my love to my family. Mom, Dad, you always believed in me. Linda, we've been together for so long. I never understood why somebody like you would choose to be with someone like me, yet, here we are. Morty, my agent. I put my life in your hands and you've always come through for me. Michael Moore, for being such an amazingly fat f**k. I also want to thank the people at bighugelabs.com for making that motivation poster possible. And the good people at photobucket.com for hosting the image. This was group effort, man. Steve, Richard, Xiang, Samantha. I just...There isn't enough time to get to them all, but you all know, I couldn't have done it without you. All of you, I love you. God bless. Good night.

**tries to leave stage left**

**gets ushered off stage right**
 
2008-02-08 02:39:56 PM  
brown Jenkems Mrbogey: If Zinn was a chiropractor he'd have wrote the same book but would have ascribed everything to bad posture. As a socialist he feels the need to tie everything into the neat black-white socialist class struggle whereby all people are oppressed by the capitalist and all bad things stem from it.

If you're looking for a leftist response or conspiracy...this book has it.

As opposed to the one-sided history generally presented as the mainstream American mythology? Historical facts aren't a conspiracy against reality. Denial of them is.


I haven't read the book.... Does it have anything from an imperialist England point-of-view?
 
2008-02-08 02:40:49 PM  
Wolfmanjames: gunga galunga :

I'd like to point out the same thing can be said with justice and far more accuracy about Rush Limbaugh.

Oh, wait. He lost most of his weight. Sorry Franken.


That is true. So Rush will have to settle for OxyContin jokes and little Dominican boys jokes.
 
2008-02-08 02:42:36 PM  
gunga galunga now wins the FUNNY. In the same thread!!!! What else are you nominated for?
 
2008-02-08 02:43:42 PM  
Brown Jenkems
It's saddening that people in a country that purports to represent liberty, democracy and opportunity would so gladly fellate the heros of the ruling class.

For the last time, I was DRUNK, okay? We were kissing and things just...went too far.

Drunkenly fellate one hero of the ruling class and suddenly you're a socio-political oppressor for life. Sheesh.
 
2008-02-08 02:44:45 PM  
Am I the only semi-leftist who hates this book? Not because of its content, but because he cites mostly secondary works (thereby making his a tertiary work, ya)? Shouldn't he have consulted/cited more primary sources if he wished to be taken more seriously among historians?
Or am I just way off base here?
 
2008-02-08 02:45:32 PM  
albo: Brown Jenkems: As opposed to the one-sided history generally presented as the mainstream American mythology

one-sided? we revisit history and change our perceptions of it all the time. we're pretty honest about that as a nation.

for example, look how we consider columbus now. it makes people guilty to celebrate him. imagine anyone suggesting holding another huge Columbian Exposition like we used to in the past?


True, and book like this play a role in that. Compare how history was taught ca. 1940 vs 1970 vs 2000.

Mrbogey: Brown Jenkems: As opposed to the one-sided history generally presented as the mainstream American mythology? Historical facts aren't a conspiracy against reality. Denial of them is.

One-sided?

See that's the problem with Zinn and his supporters. He views his book as a companion to a one-sided teaching curricullum yet when you call his book one-sided the sphincter factor on his defender rises exponentially. His book IS one-sided in that it views everything the same way with everyone who is the "hero" in pop history being the "villain" in his version. You have to give his version the same bit of salt you apply to other history too. But his lefty readers always neglect that and take his book as the "truth" while everything else is "lies".

All done with the same overarching story of class struggle even when it's really not.


I don't have a problem with calling it one-sided since it's intentionally so, as I mentioned in my original statement.

Depending on how you define "class," human could very well be an overarching story of interclass struggle.
 
2008-02-08 02:47:41 PM  
DammitSmithers: Am I the only semi-leftist who hates this book? Not because of its content, but because he cites mostly secondary works (thereby making his a tertiary work, ya)? Shouldn't he have consulted/cited more primary sources if he wished to be taken more seriously among historians?
Or am I just way off base here?


The density (or lack thereof) of citations would be my biggest complaint about this book.
 
2008-02-08 02:48:24 PM  
i238.photobucket.com

Has anyone read these? How do they compare to Zinn's book?
 
2008-02-08 02:49:50 PM  
robot_in_disguise: Brown Jenkems
It's saddening that people in a country that purports to represent liberty, democracy and opportunity would so gladly fellate the heros of the ruling class.

For the last time, I was DRUNK, okay? We were kissing and things just...went too far.

Drunkenly fellate one hero of the ruling class and suddenly you're a socio-political oppressor for life. Sheesh.


I laughed. And now I need something to wipe this coffee up with...
 
2008-02-08 02:50:49 PM  
Gunga
Sorry if that bit of reality got upset. I can understand. I sincerely hope that you try and find things out for yourself and don't rely on the Moore's of the world to do your thinking for you.
I am rootin' for ya.
 
2008-02-08 02:53:37 PM  
You're way off base
 
2008-02-08 02:57:00 PM  
The way this nation rewrites history is abusive at times. Look at what the inbreds at Fox News are trying to do to Roosevelt's legacy. At this pace, in 20 years, Nixon will be made out to be a misunderstood man overly sensitive to criticism and George W Bush will only be viewed as mildy retarded.
 
2008-02-08 02:58:03 PM  
Bartman66: Gunga
Sorry if that bit of reality got upset. I can understand. I sincerely hope that you try and find things out for yourself and don't rely on the Moore's of the world to do your thinking for you.
I am rootin' for ya.


That's it, pal. You asked for it.

i117.photobucket.com

Did that blow your mind, because that just happened.

neilio42: gunga galunga now wins the FUNNY. In the same thread!!!! What else are you nominated for?

Since I've managed to rankle both Michael Moore fans and Michael Moore critics with that pic, I guess Best Equal Opportunity Pisser Offer.
 
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