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(Hartford Courant)   "Right to Dry" group is trying to force homeowner associations to allow people to dry their clothes on outdoor clotheslines   (courant.com) divider line 206
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2008-02-04 07:37:09 PM
You have no right to hang your clothes on a clothesline if you were stupid enough to agree to be governed by an HOA.

That's one of the umpteen reasons I will never again own a home controlled by an HOA.
 
2008-02-04 07:41:08 PM
HOAs: Protecting tacky people from themselves
 
2008-02-04 07:42:52 PM
Somehow I think "Right to Dry" is composed of perverts wanting to steal panties.
 
2008-02-04 07:44:55 PM
peoplesgeography.files.wordpress.com

/ obligatory ... sorta?
// no threadjack intended
 
2008-02-04 07:47:26 PM
They bought there house with an HOA. They knew what they were getting into. I say make them use dryers.
 
2008-02-04 07:47:37 PM
Homeowners associations are run by fascist busy bodies but that's why you don't join them in the first place.
 
2008-02-04 07:48:08 PM
If you don't like your HOA rules, talk to your neighbors and start a vote to change it.

HOAs consist of the OWNERS. You and all of your neighbors are the ones that are responsible for making almost all of the rules.

/the only rules you don't have any say in are the ones that exist for legal/insurance purposes. Everything else can be changed if you have enough like minded neighbors.
 
2008-02-04 07:50:55 PM
I say this every time an HOA thread pops up:

If you don't want to live by the tenets of a contract, don't sign it. It's stupefyingly simple.

Furthermore, there's already a very simple method to change the rules if you've already agreed to them. Get yourself or your like-minded friends elected to the board and change the rules.
 
2008-02-04 07:51:29 PM
My neighbors line dry their clothes, which I guess is how they get that sweet spring-like smell of sun and Gowanus Expressway.
 
2008-02-04 07:52:50 PM
lordargent: OAs consist of the OWNERS. You and all of your neighbors are the ones that are responsible for making almost all of the rules.

/the only rules you don't have any say in are the ones that exist for legal/insurance purposes. Everything else can be changed if you have enough like minded neighbors.


While I agree in principle. I was reading the bylaws of the HOA I was a part of (from '94 to '99). Rules required a certain percentage of homeowners to change. It was structured in a way that you could not get that percentage without SOMEONE from the board voting with you. In the time I was there, no one on the board ever voted to amend the rules in a less-restrictive manner.
 
2008-02-04 07:54:05 PM
Mugato : Homeowners associations are run by fascist busy bodies

Not all HOAs are like that. Bad ones get all of the press.

/My HOA has one meeting a month.

/You don't even need to be present at the meeting to raise issues or vote on issues. You just send a letter to the chairman (to raise an issue), and return the voting slips.

/Then again, the owners in my complex are mostly busy 20 and 30 something professionals. I think the general consensus is that we don't have time for a shiatload of meetings and arguments.

/And most of our rules were made as a result of asshattery. (for example, no one is allowed in the pool area after 10:00pm (because some asshats were in the pool at 11:00pm making a shiatload of noise that disturbed people in the units next to the pool))
 
2008-02-04 07:55:25 PM
Whamdangler: While I agree in principle. I was reading the bylaws of the HOA I was a part of (from '94 to '99). Rules required a certain percentage of homeowners to change. It was structured in a way that you could not get that percentage without SOMEONE from the board voting with you. In the time I was there, no one on the board ever voted to amend the rules in a less-restrictive manner.

Okay, we get it... "Stepford Estates" wasn't your cup of tea!
 
2008-02-04 07:58:44 PM
Whamdangler: While I agree in principle. I was reading the bylaws of the HOA I was a part of (from '94 to '99). Rules required a certain percentage of homeowners to change. It was structured in a way that you could not get that percentage without SOMEONE from the board voting with you. In the time I was there, no one on the board ever voted to amend the rules in a less-restrictive manner.

I don't know how yours did it. But for us, it's 50% of the homeowner votes. There are 92 units, so 47 votes gets the win.

There are only three people on the HOA board, and they get 1 vote for their unit, just like everything else.

/YMMV based on state laws

/I think in CA, there are limits to how long a board position can be filled before there has to be a new election. 2 years I think.
 
2008-02-04 08:02:55 PM
Anyway, my main point is,

shiatty HOAs are the result of shiatty neighbors.

In fact, I'd argue that reading HOA CC&Rs is a good way to determine if that neighborhood is full of shiatty neighbors.

Because, HOA or not, why would you want to move into a neighborhood with shiatty neighbors?
 
2008-02-04 08:11:02 PM
I'm not touching this one.
 
2008-02-04 08:12:08 PM
Don't want to live by the terms of a contract? Don't sign it.
 
2008-02-04 08:29:16 PM
kruuth: I'm not touching this one.

LOL
 
2008-02-04 08:49:17 PM
lordargent: I don't know how yours did it. But for us, it's 50% of the homeowner votes. There are 92 units, so 47 votes gets the win.

Mine was something like 90% to change a rule. There were 12 people on the board. And, there were like 100 units or so. I honestly don't remember. I did remember doing the math, and without ONE person on the board (and ALL the rest of the non-board-member owners) you could not get a rule changed. Of course, the board could spend money like it was going out of style. Replacing fences that were not really in need of it. Painting all the buildings and THEN doing new siding just three years later. They were all idiots.
 
2008-02-04 08:50:44 PM
Whamdangler: You have no right to hang your clothes on a clothesline if you were stupid enough to agree to be governed by an HOA.

Unfortunately, there are places in America where your options are to either live in a crime-ridden ghetto or live in a neighborhood governed by an HOA.

I live in one of those places.

(Oh, yeah, you could live out in the country, if you're rich.)
 
2008-02-04 08:52:18 PM
uuummmm I payed a LOT for a beautiful house in a really beautiful SUBURBAN neighborhood NOT little italy thank you very much. if you are too poor to afford a drier I dont see how you could afford a house anyways.
 
2008-02-04 08:53:30 PM
No HOA = crime ridden ghetto.

Be thankful.
 
2008-02-04 08:54:34 PM
bubbaprog: Whamdangler: You have no right to hang your clothes on a clothesline if you were stupid enough to agree to be governed by an HOA.

Unfortunately, there are places in America where your options are to either live in a crime-ridden ghetto or live in a neighborhood governed by an HOA.

I live in one of those places.

(Oh, yeah, you could live out in the country, if you're rich.)


So I'm rich, now, am I?
Tettes?
any takers?
 
2008-02-04 08:54:58 PM
moshiko654wwe.goop.co.il

JBL and Satan approve.
 
2008-02-04 08:54:58 PM
bubbaprog: Whamdangler: You have no right to hang your clothes on a clothesline if you were stupid enough to agree to be governed by an HOA.

Unfortunately, there are places in America where your options are to either live in a crime-ridden ghetto or live in a neighborhood governed by an HOA.

I live in one of those places.

(Oh, yeah, you could live out in the country, if you're rich.)


I'm far from rich and I live out in the country, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2008-02-04 08:55:01 PM
All these people who whine about global warming and using too much electricity and all that are the same ones who are against hanging clothes out to dry, which uses no electricity.
 
2008-02-04 08:55:01 PM
I don't mind the idea of hanging my clothes out on a line, they actually smell nicer I think.

But I'm kinda against the idea of hanging my underware out on the line in town. I would rather that they all stay where they are and not find new homes. I just have a bad feeling I would be missing a few undergarmets as time went by.
 
2008-02-04 08:55:05 PM
Why anyone would volunteer to give up so much control over their own lives is beyond me.

Anyway, it's late. Gotta wake up early tomorrow to go vote for Hillary....
 
2008-02-04 08:55:11 PM
Gee, wonder what the "global warmers" think about clotheslines?
 
2008-02-04 08:55:22 PM
Aeonic_Blue: if you are too poor to afford a drier I dont see how you could afford a house anyways.
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You just don't get it, do you?
 
2008-02-04 08:56:42 PM
Mugato

Homeowners associations are run by fascist busy bodies.

Winner.

BlorfMaster

No HOA = crime ridden ghetto. Be thankful.

You're confusing cause and effect. HOAs usually only spring up when the neighborhood is either brand new and houses are going for over half a million, or if that's been the case for a while already and the established curmudgeons and nosy housewives just want to take the next step into suburbofascism.
 
2008-02-04 08:56:47 PM
Winston Wolf would tell all you non HOA guys to move out of the sticks, that he sees a cab ride in your future.
 
2008-02-04 08:56:55 PM
lordargent: /I think in CA, there are limits to how long a board position can be filled before there has to be a new election. 2 years I think.

2 orifices maybe. In CA.
Unless you are married to a Jewish/Chinese Girl.
 
2008-02-04 08:57:34 PM
FredaDeStilleto: They bought there house with an HOA. They knew what they were getting into. I say make them use dryers.

www.celluloidheroreviews.com
 
2008-02-04 08:57:39 PM
BlorfMaster: No HOA = crime ridden ghetto.

Be thankful.


What? What, do you live in Detroit or something?
 
2008-02-04 08:59:13 PM
Glock17: All these people who whine about global warming and using too much electricity and all that are the same ones who are against hanging clothes out to dry, which uses no electricity.

WTF?

You know, Mr. Hinkley, there are more constructive ways to get attention than excerpting passages from your Gibberish Manifesto.
 
2008-02-04 08:59:20 PM
Hang a sheet. Hang the underwear under the sheet on the same line.
Compromise?
Not a speck of wasted energy, and your thongs stay 'green'.
or is that too simple?
 
2008-02-04 08:59:35 PM
littlett's: I don't mind the idea of hanging my clothes out on a line, they actually smell nicer I think.

But I'm kinda against the idea of hanging my underware out on the line in town. I would rather that they all stay where they are and not find new homes. I just have a bad feeling I would be missing a few undergarmets as time went by.


Probably a better chance of them coming up missing BEFORE they're washed.
 
2008-02-04 08:59:50 PM
I'm in favor of anything that pisses off HOAs.
 
2008-02-04 09:00:17 PM
BlorfMaster: No HOA = crime ridden ghetto.

Be thankful.


I don't have an HOA, and my neighborhood isn't a crime ridden ghetto. It's actually a very nice neighborhood and everyone respects each other. I left my garage door open over the weekend and one of my neighbors called me and told me he closed it. I live in Seattle too. It's nice to generalize isn't it?
 
2008-02-04 09:00:19 PM
I don't live in a gestapo-controlled neighborhood, so if someone else could please clue me in on this, I'd be much obliged. What exactly is wrong with drying one's clothes on a clothesline? Seems like that is one of the more wholesome, envrionmentally-sound practices a homeowner could participate in. You see it in the movies and on TV: the sun shining and the breeze rustling the bedsheets and undergarments, a pleasant tune in the background, and a pretty country girl with a clothesbasket on her hip. It evokes peaceful imagery... at least until Michael Myers enters the scene with a meathook.

Next thing you'll tell me is that green practices aren't a priority for HOAs.
 
2008-02-04 09:04:39 PM
Only in America do you need laws to protect common sense.

/hates HOAs
//likes clothes lines =)
 
2008-02-04 09:05:30 PM
Here is the Height of FLORIDIOT STUPIDITY.

A Homeowner's Association is run by the regular bunch of semi-retarded do-gooders, they get the bright idea to shut down the street lights and clubhouse lights after midnight to save the earth by saving energy. They then also pass an anti-clothesline regulation, AT THE SAME MEETING.

Welcome to farking Orlando Floriduh.
 
2008-02-04 09:06:16 PM
my HOA has two parties a year I think. There is beer and BBQ. As for the board, I guess they do something. I mean I had to get the color of my new paint approved, but that was easy. And they mow my yard and edge it. Other than that they do not interrupt my life in the slightest.
 
2008-02-04 09:06:40 PM
The Grinch: HOAs usually only spring up when the neighborhood is either brand new and houses are going for over half a million

Our last house cost us $90K. It was shiatty townhouse, in a crappy neighborhood, where old kitchen appliances would often sit on the curb for weeks at a time and drunks would routinely get in shouting matches at 3AM.

/Did I mention we had an HOA?
 
2008-02-04 09:07:00 PM
Aeonic_Blue: uuummmm I payed a LOT for a beautiful house in a really beautiful SUBURBAN neighborhood NOT little italy thank you very much. if you are too poor to afford a drier I dont see how you could afford a house anyways.

you must be a troll


BlorfMaster: No HOA = crime ridden ghetto.

Be thankful.


and you must live in Detroit

We live in a very nice suburb with good schools and a low crime rate.

We don't live in an HOA neighborhood because of stupid rules like this.

None of us leave our Christmas lights up all year, none of us have cars in the front yard, none of us let our pets or kids run wild.

And I began hanging my clothes out in earnest a few years ago. Granted it's only during spring to fall, but I save a few bucks on my electric bill and it's "greener."

Not being able to hang clothes out is stupid - but it's not really practical if you're only home during pm hours.
 
2008-02-04 09:07:14 PM
gosh next thing you know people will want the right to paint their own house

/like a shade of not beige
 
2008-02-04 09:08:07 PM
Dr_Bojangles: littlett's: I don't mind the idea of hanging my clothes out on a line, they actually smell nicer I think.

But I'm kinda against the idea of hanging my underware out on the line in town. I would rather that they all stay where they are and not find new homes. I just have a bad feeling I would be missing a few undergarmets as time went by.

Probably a better chance of them coming up missing BEFORE they're washed.


Well as seeing they are inside the house or on me pretty much most of the time, I don't see the as being a problem.
 
2008-02-04 09:08:45 PM
MarshHawk:
What exactly is wrong with drying one's clothes on a clothesline?

TFA: However, many condo and homeowner associations, and a few communities, prohibit outdoor clotheslines, mostly for aesthetic reasons.

It's "unaesthetic". In other words, it makes the typical HOA think "looks working-class". You see... clothesline = cheap = poor = "bad neighbourhood" = "lowers property values". The environment is of zero concern to these walking brain stems.

You can always distinguish the barely-middle-class from everyone else by their desperate need to maintain an appearance of status in their neighbourhood. The poor wear their status symbols, the middle class live in them, and the actual rich often don't give a crap.
 
2008-02-04 09:08:46 PM
MarshHawk

I don't live in a gestapo-controlled neighborhood, so if someone else could please clue me in on this, I'd be much obliged. What exactly is wrong with drying one's clothes on a clothesline? Seems like that is one of the more wholesome, envrionmentally-sound practices a homeowner could participate in. You see it in the movies and on TV: the sun shining and the breeze rustling the bedsheets and undergarments, a pleasant tune in the background, and a pretty country girl with a clothesbasket on her hip. It evokes peaceful imagery... at least until Michael Myers enters the scene with a meathook.

Next thing you'll tell me is that green practices aren't a priority for HOAs.


You got that right. It's all about eyesore ordinances to those freaks. Clothes on a line? Ugly. Not yours. Solar cells on your roof? Ugly. Not yours. The list goes on and on.

...and bear in mind that, more often than not, these are cul-de-sacs whose 'beauty' they're protecting. No one drives down cul-de-sacs except the people that live there. They don't lead anywhere. That's the point of a cul-de-sac. But we have to keep them pretty anyway. You know, for us.

Chew on that one for a while.
 
2008-02-04 09:10:49 PM
Bob Ondeeznuts: I don't have an HOA, and my neighborhood isn't a crime ridden ghetto. It's actually a very nice neighborhood and everyone respects each other. I left my garage door open over the weekend and one of my neighbors called me and told me he closed it. I live in Seattle too. It's nice to generalize isn't it?

My current house cost us $420K. It's a lovely, new single family home. The neighbors are all very nice, crime is non-existent, and the only drunks I run into are at the frequent neighborhood parties.

/Did I mention there is no HOA?
 
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