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(Townhall)   He's raised $20 million, has a mouse army of dedicated fanboys, and absolutely rocks the "cool grandfather" look, but Ron Paul's campaign has flatlined like the Patriots (with chart goodness)   (robertsteely.townhall.com) divider line 240
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2008-02-04 01:44:55 PM  
Perhaps the fanboys should consider that tattered, spray-painted bedsheets do not, for many, communicate a very presidential feel.
 
2008-02-04 01:45:23 PM  
"It's a good day to die." Keifer Sutherland.
 
2008-02-04 01:51:28 PM  
Ordinarily I would make a sarcastic remark about Ron Paul. However, since this a Town Hall link, I will merely point out that Town Hall is the short bus of political websites.
 
2008-02-04 01:57:18 PM  
I thought Paulites said that his support will grow as more people find out about him. If this chart is true, than that obviously hasn't happened.

/Steve Holt!!!
 
2008-02-04 01:58:02 PM  
OlafTheBent: "It's a good day to die." Keifer Sutherland Worf.

nerded that up for ya
 
2008-02-04 02:05:41 PM  
Reepicheep for RP's Veep!
 
2008-02-04 02:11:12 PM  
The only thing dumber that Ron Paul is a Ron Paul supporter
 
2008-02-04 02:16:55 PM  
Herr Doktor

Are they implying he's fascist?

I don't like Paul either, but WTF?
 
2008-02-04 02:17:59 PM  
palladiate: Are they implying he's fascist?

I don't like Paul either, but WTF?


What, someone can't speak German without being gay? I mean, a nazi?
 
2008-02-04 02:19:52 PM  
"Herr Doktor"? Oh yeah, that's a fairly unbalanced fair and balanced article.

I hope he stays in all the way to the convention, because he's saying things about war, foreign policy, and government spending that aren't even mentioned in the focus-group soundbites of the other candidates.
 
2008-02-04 02:22:44 PM  
palladiate: Herr Doktor
Are they implying he's fascist?

You know who else advocated a non-interventionist foreign policy?

/That's right, Switzerland.
 
2008-02-04 02:31:54 PM  
curmudge: The only thing dumber that Ron Paul is a Ron Paul supporter

why so small and feeble? Try this:

The only thing dumber that Ron Paul is a Ron Paul supporter
 
2008-02-04 02:33:53 PM  
curmudge: The only thing dumber that Ron Paul is a Ron Paul supporter

Pot. Kettle.
 
2008-02-04 02:41:12 PM  
Yeah, and I suppose the fact that the mainstream media has paid him almost zero attention (Faux News even going so far as to preclude him from their televised Republican debate, even while including "Mr. 00.911% in the polls" in their debate) has absolutely nothing to do with Paul's ability to gain traction.

I'm certainly no Ron Paul fanboy (I like and respect him, but disagree with him on 80% of the issues and wouldn't vote for him), but he has been royally screwed by the mainstream media power brokers. There's a substantial percentage of the average dumbshiat population (those who only get their news from the 6:00 pm network news) who has no idea who the guy is or what he stands for.
 
2008-02-04 02:41:56 PM  
Ah, I recall when the rabid Paul fans were going on and on about how polling was inaccurate, how Paul would surprise everyone with huge wins.

To me, Paul's the kid who advocates for no homework and recess all the time. All the other kids like his ideas, but if they were implemented, the school would be screwed.
 
2008-02-04 02:43:36 PM  
smooshie: To me, Paul's the kid who advocates for no homework and recess all the time. All the other kids like his ideas, but if they were implemented, the school would be screwed.

Plus, he has cooties.
 
2008-02-04 02:44:03 PM  
smooshie: Ah, I recall when the rabid Paul fans were going on and on about how polling was inaccurate, how Paul would surprise everyone with huge wins.

Yeah, because Ron Paul supporter don't have landlines so they aren't polled. turns out his supporters don't have another thing: physical existence
 
2008-02-04 02:44:09 PM  
Cyberluddite: Yeah, and I suppose the fact that the mainstream media has paid him almost zero attention (Faux News even going so far as to preclude him from their televised Republican debate, even while including "Mr. 00.911% in the polls" in their debate) has absolutely nothing to do with Paul's ability to gain traction.

Why is it that every single farking Ron Paul supporter cries "OMG CONSPIRACY" all the time? I mean, Mike Gravel wasn't given any coverage, does that mean the elite Iluminati-controlled-media hates Alaska?
 
2008-02-04 02:45:17 PM  
Cyberluddite: There's a substantial percentage of the average dumbshiat population (those who only get their news from the 6:00 pm network news) who has no idea who the guy is or what he stands for.

they guy raised $20 million. He could have taken out an ad during the Superbowl. or 8. if he's not getting his name out, i wouldn't blame anybody but the candidate and his campaign
 
2008-02-04 02:59:54 PM  
smooshie: Why is it that every single farking Ron Paul supporter cries "OMG CONSPIRACY" all the time? I mean, Mike Gravel wasn't given any coverage, does that mean the elite Iluminati-controlled-media hates Alaska?

As I said--perhaps your reading skills aren't what they could be and you missed this, though I said it pretty clearly--I'm no Ron Paul supporter. But Gravel never had the polling numbers that Paul had, never raised more than .0001% of the money that Paul had, never finished anything other than dead last in any poll or primary contest, and never got a single delegate. You can't compare the two.

Paul raised more money than most of the other Repubs, has consistently had higher polling numbers than some so-called "serious" candidates like Guiliani, and has gotten more delegates than a "serious" candidate like Guiliani. He even came in 2nd place in one caucus. And yet he's been largely ignored, while people like Rudy got attention. Certainly the Republican power structure has been complicit in this--nobody in the GOP elite wants a guy in the Republican race who talks about what a retarded idea the Iraq war is and was. None of this is "OMG CONSPIRACY" stuff--it's just simple facts. Make of them what you will.

And it's not just Paul who has been farked over and ignored by the media. John Edwards finished ahead of Hillary in the first primary contest (in Iowa), but the media has consistently ignored him (and all other Dems) and focused solely on the Obama/Hillary slapfight. If they had given him a proportionate amount of attention as compared to Hillary and Obama, he would undoubtedly still be in the race and competitive. But I guess the Hillary/Obama biatchfest makes for better TV, they think.
 
2008-02-04 03:03:04 PM  
saulecker: What, someone can't speak German without being gay? I mean, a nazi?

Well, in American politics? Not really. Have you been paying attention?

What's next Generalissimo Paulo?
 
2008-02-04 03:04:09 PM  
Cyberluddite: Paul raised more money than most of the other Repubs, has consistently had higher polling numbers than some so-called "serious" candidates like Guiliani, and has gotten more delegates than a "serious" candidate like Guiliani. He even came in 2nd place in one caucus. And yet he's been largely ignored, while people like Rudy got attention.

Rudy had frontrunner status for several months, and was already well known.

Cyberluddite: Certainly the Republican power structure has been complicit in this--nobody in the GOP elite wants a guy in the Republican race who talks about what a retarded idea the Iraq war is and was.

If your ideas conflict with the Republican base, don't run as a Republican.

Cyberluddite: And it's not just Paul who has been farked over and ignored by the media. John Edwards finished ahead of Hillary in the first primary contest (in Iowa), but the media has consistently ignored him (and all other Dems) and focused solely on the Obama/Hillary slapfight.

Edwards was ignored? I recall seeing his goofy face on TV more times than I'd have liked.

Google News Search results for the last month :
Obama : 124,219
Clinton : 72,070
Edwards : 58,581
Paul : 26,461
 
2008-02-04 03:05:09 PM  
albo: they guy raised $20 million. He could have taken out an ad during the Superbowl. or 8. if he's not getting his name out, i wouldn't blame anybody but the candidate and his campaign

exactly. Poor national campaigning skills.
 
2008-02-04 03:07:58 PM  
why is paul waiting so long to run as a libertarian?
 
2008-02-04 03:08:38 PM  
saulecker: curmudge: The only thing dumber that Ron Paul is a Ron Paul supporter

why so small and feeble? Try this:

The only thing dumber that Ron Paul is a Ron Paul supporter



epic fail.
 
2008-02-04 03:09:42 PM  
Cyberluddite: Yeah, and I suppose the fact that the mainstream media has paid him almost zero attention (Faux News even going so far as to preclude him from their televised Republican debate, even while including "Mr. 00.911% in the polls" in their debate) has absolutely nothing to do with Paul's ability to gain traction.

That doesn't make much sense. Mainstream media is not the only method of communicating to voters. He has plenty of money to advertise whereever he wants. There are obviously many rabid Paulites mentioning him whenever possible. I see his signs everywhere. His name recognizition has improved, but his support has not. This can only mean that people are hearing his message but do not support it.
 
2008-02-04 03:09:46 PM  
f00f: why is paul waiting so long to run as a libertarian?

he's building the coffers. granted, he won't have enough, but he will have a shiatload.
 
2008-02-04 03:13:07 PM  
smooshie: Google News Search results for the last month :
Obama : 124,219
Clinton : 72,070
Edwards : 58,581
Paul : 26,461


Comparing Paul to the democrats is a bad idea because there were fewer Democrats running than republicans. If there are equal dem and GOP articles, there will, on average, be more articles about a given dem candidate.

Let's compare republicans, shall we?

www.google.com

Light blue: Paul
Red: McCain
Dark Blue: Romney
Orange: Huckabee
Green: Giuliani
So, STFU.
 
2008-02-04 03:13:23 PM  
smooshie: Edwards was ignored? I recall seeing his goofy face on TV more times than I'd have liked.
Google News Search results for the last month :
Obama : 124,219
Clinton : 72,070
Edwards : 58,581
Paul : 26,461


About 30,000 of which undoubtedly dealt with his withdrawal from the race last week, and the vast majority of the rest either being brief mentions of his second-place finish in Iowa or a brief reference to "oh yeah, Edwards was there too" in a story about a Hillary/Obama debate slapfest. If you really think that there was even a remotely similar number of in-depth news analyses of Edwards' policies and positions as there was of Obama/Hillary's, or if you think that there was more than a small fraction of Edwards soundbites in the news as compared to Obama/Hilary soundbites, then you're kidding yourself.
 
2008-02-04 03:15:28 PM  
The bottom half of my chart shows news references. Spikes indicate primaries. the better performers got bigger spikes. No surprises there.
 
2008-02-04 03:15:34 PM  
This Is Bold Text: Light blue: Paul
Red: McCain
Dark Blue: Romney
Orange: Huckabee
Green: Giuliani
So, STFU.


McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani have all been frontrunners at some point in the race, Paul has not.
 
2008-02-04 03:16:16 PM  
No thanks to the mainstream press, who can't seem to recall how to spell his name, or go beyond hit pieces based on the transparent stupidity of the data in this article. The Boston Globe's article on how all the candidates are hypocrites on major issues points this out remarka...wait. I see. They wouldn't be able to take their editorial position if they actually included all the candidates, now would they?
 
2008-02-04 03:21:42 PM  
smooshie: McCain, Romney, Huckabee, and Giuliani have all been frontrunners at some point in the race, Paul has not.

I should've read the beginning part of your comment. We're arguing the same thing.
 
2008-02-04 03:21:53 PM  
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The U.S.S. Failboat is ready for boarding!
 
2008-02-04 03:27:20 PM  
The mainstream press is an afterthought to what is actually going on. The fact is the party decides early on who the "candidates" are. And you may get on some lists and ballots even if you aren't on the list, but you won't be going anywhere... This is what happened to Ron Paul. The media then enforces this in how they treat candidates. Paul and Huckabee openly noticed this in that last CNN debate where it was basically "We're going to let these two guys talk a ton and we'll pan over to Huckabee and Paul if we need comic relief.."

The democrats further institutionalize this with the superdelegate system, to protect again "bad choices made by the people".
 
2008-02-04 03:27:53 PM  
RON PAUL
 
2008-02-04 03:34:13 PM  
revskippy: The mainstream press is an afterthought to what is actually going on. The fact is the party decides early on who the "candidates" are. And you may get on some lists and ballots even if you aren't on the list, but you won't be going anywhere... This is what happened to Ron Paul. The media then enforces this in how they treat candidates. Paul and Huckabee openly noticed this in that last CNN debate where it was basically "We're going to let these two guys talk a ton and we'll pan over to Huckabee and Paul if we need comic relief.."

Yep, more whining about how "the powers that be" are engaged in an evil conspiracy.

Jubeebee: RON PAUL

Followed by a completely pointless post.

I will admit though, Paul's ideas are very interesting, the idea that states should have most of the power that the feds currently have, that the U.S. should isolate itself from the rest of the world's conflicts, etc. But it sure as hell doesn't help him when his supporters rant about The Man oppressing the Jesus-like politician.
 
2008-02-04 04:15:46 PM  
smooshie: Yep, more whining about how "the powers that be" are engaged in an evil conspiracy.

Evil conspiracy? No. But it is rather odd that Ron Paul does better than mr. 9/11 and it's mr. 9/11 who gets all the press attention. Maybe of Ron Paul was constantly at the bottom of the barrel I'd see why they'd ignore the guy...but c'mon! It's obvious that the mainstream press folks play favorites.


I will admit though, Paul's ideas are very interesting, the idea that states should have most of the power that the feds currently have, that the U.S. should isolate itself from the rest of the world's conflicts, etc. But it sure as hell doesn't help him when his supporters rant about The Man oppressing the Jesus-like politician.

well yeah. But you can say the same things about the Bush supporters and the Hillaryites.
 
2008-02-04 04:19:16 PM  
pics.livejournal.com
 
2008-02-04 04:20:37 PM  
Weaver95: Evil conspiracy? No. But it is rather odd that Ron Paul does better than mr. 9/11 and it's mr. 9/11 who gets all the press attention. Maybe of Ron Paul was constantly at the bottom of the barrel I'd see why they'd ignore the guy...but c'mon! It's obvious that the mainstream press folks play favorites.

I thought both of them are at the bottom of the barrel along with Gravel, it's just that Paul hasn't given up yet.
 
2008-02-04 04:26:25 PM  
Weaver95: Evil conspiracy? No. But it is rather odd that Ron Paul does better than mr. 9/11 and it's mr. 9/11 who gets all the press attention. Maybe of Ron Paul was constantly at the bottom of the barrel I'd see why they'd ignore the guy...but c'mon! It's obvious that the mainstream press folks play favorites.

I'm pretty sure Mr. 9/11 isn't getting much coverage now.

If Ron Paul's problem is less press coverage than other candidates, his numbers should still increase, but at a slower rate than other candidates. His numbers are not increasing at all.
 
2008-02-04 04:31:51 PM  
albo: they guy raised $20 million. He could have taken out an ad during the Superbowl. or 8. if he's not getting his name out, i wouldn't blame anybody but the candidate and his campaign

I have to agree with this. I like Ron Paul, I like a lot of his ideas, and at first I thought he wasn't getting traction because of the mainstream media's refusal to acknowledge him, which they certainly have done. However, after the donations he has received, there is no reason he hasn't got his message out by purchasing television time. I haven't seen a single Ron Paul advertisement on TV and I live in L.A. If he's not showing up here, where is he?
 
2008-02-04 04:41:20 PM  
timujin: albo: they guy raised $20 million. He could have taken out an ad during the Superbowl. or 8. if he's not getting his name out, i wouldn't blame anybody but the candidate and his campaign

I have to agree with this. I like Ron Paul, I like a lot of his ideas, and at first I thought he wasn't getting traction because of the mainstream media's refusal to acknowledge him, which they certainly have done. However, after the donations he has received, there is no reason he hasn't got his message out by purchasing television time. I haven't seen a single Ron Paul advertisement on TV and I live in L.A. If he's not showing up here, where is he?


Yeah, I would be pissed off if I had donated any money to him. Seems like he's saving it for a Libertarian run or just to get re-elected to Congress.
 
2008-02-04 04:44:14 PM  
As a rabid and proud Ron Paul supporter - I will make my final judgment come Wednesday. I've rallied behind the man constantly, but if he can't eek out Huckabee or solidify a 3rd place finish after Tomorrow, I'm giving it up and not voting for anyone.

/or I might write in Robert Halford.
 
2008-02-04 04:44:49 PM  
Actually, no political candidates could take out an ad during the superbowl.

As for Ron Paul and the Paultards, couldn't be happier. I'm sick of these objectivist pricks draping themselves in the robes of Apostles and kneeling at the alter of their latter-day messiah, Ron Paul.
 
2008-02-04 04:46:57 PM  
Aeonic_Blue: Actually, no political candidates could take out an ad during the superbowl.

As for Ron Paul and the Paultards, couldn't be happier. I'm sick of these objectivist pricks draping themselves in the robes of Apostles and kneeling at the alter of their latter-day messiah, Ron Paul.


Ouch.
 
2008-02-04 04:47:35 PM  
timujin: However, after the donations he has received, there is no reason he hasn't got his message out by purchasing television time. I haven't seen a single Ron Paul advertisement on TV and I live in L.A. If he's not showing up here, where is he?

Caucus states. 2/3 of the GOP primary is winner take all. He can't compete with the media darlings. So he spends his money elsewhere.
 
2008-02-04 04:49:03 PM  
Hey um didn't he just get 20% in Maine?

I think he did better than Bush did in '00 in Maine...

That being said, I'd rather live in Bush America, cuz we can't really make sexual jokes around Paul... John maybe
 
2008-02-04 04:49:39 PM  
Honestly, I'm surprised more people aren't voting for Paul simply to fark with the establishment. People are so angry about the two parties, if they want to make things more interesting or at least give the middle finger to the party duopoly they'd probably get more entertainment out of voting for 'the kook'.
 
2008-02-04 04:49:48 PM  
Hank Rearden: As a rabid and proud Ron Paul supporter - I will make my final judgment come Wednesday. I've rallied behind the man constantly, but if he can't eek out Huckabee or solidify a 3rd place finish after Tomorrow, I'm giving it up and not voting for anyone.

/or I might write in Robert Halford.


The nomination will not be known until all the delegates are selected in late February and early March. Just because a candidate is shown by the CNN website to have only 6 delegates doesn't mean it will be that way in the end.

If he doesn't manage by June to have swayed the Thompson/Rudy/Huckabee delegates to support him, then I will give up.
 
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