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(Telegraph)   If you know who else lost a fleet of three German U-boats in the Black Sea during World War II, tell him they've been found   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 57
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2008-02-02 11:57:40 PM  
Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.
 
2008-02-03 12:04:23 AM  
www.islandnet.com

/Yes, I know it's a WWI poster, but it's still a striking image.
 
2008-02-03 12:18:46 AM  
FTFA:
Mike Williams, secretary of the Nautical Archaeology Society, said: "This is a significant find because these U-boats were all scuttled, so they should be intact, like a sealed tube. They are unique survivors of the war."

From a dictinary:
scuttle: -verb (used with object)
3.to sink (a vessel) deliberately by opening seacocks or making openings in the bottom.

Sealed? Not hardly.
 
2008-02-03 12:26:37 AM  
xlbrooklyn: FTFA:
Mike Williams, secretary of the Nautical Archaeology Society, said: "This is a significant find because these U-boats were all scuttled, so they should be intact, like a sealed tube. They are unique survivors of the war."

From a dictinary:
scuttle: -verb (used with object)
3.to sink (a vessel) deliberately by opening seacocks or making openings in the bottom.

Sealed? Not hardly.


True but almost all U-Boats underwater have really huge holes in them. These suffered no war damage.

Also, they could have blown the ballast tanks and sunk the subs without allowing water to enter. (Although I don't know how you would do that and still escape)
 
2008-02-03 12:29:51 AM  
T.M.S.:
Also, they could have blown the ballast tanks and sunk the subs without allowing water to enter. (Although I don't know how you would do that and still escape)


By doing it while you were still on the surface.

More importantly, German crews wouldn't have done this, as it would have preserve documents and equipment better left to immersion in seawater.

I suspect that the good condition of the three is purely relative.
 
2008-02-03 12:33:49 AM  
Is three a fleet? I thought it was a crowd.
 
2008-02-03 12:38:55 AM  
kmmontandon: T.M.S.:
Also, they could have blown the ballast tanks and sunk the subs without allowing water to enter. (Although I don't know how you would do that and still escape)

By doing it while you were still on the surface.

More importantly, German crews wouldn't have done this, as it would have preserve documents and equipment better left to immersion in seawater.

I suspect that the good condition of the three is purely relative.


Of course on the surface but you would still have to get out of a sinking sub alive.

The rest I agree with.
 
2008-02-03 02:24:02 AM  
oldebayer: Is three a fleet?
I thought it was a crowd.


I thought three's a charm.
 
2008-02-03 03:01:18 AM  
No, three's company.
 
2008-02-03 03:26:05 AM  
Or "her," subby, or "her."
 
2008-02-03 03:29:17 AM  
subby, I think he died a while back
 
2008-02-03 03:36:42 AM  
img144.imageshack.us
/just thought I'd share
 
2008-02-03 03:38:50 AM  
You're telling me you lost another submarine?

Also: lost WWII weaponry trifecta now in effect.
 
2008-02-03 03:39:38 AM  
img148.imageshack.us

Approves.
 
2008-02-03 03:40:05 AM  
nativefloridian: /just thought I'd share

Very nice.
 
2008-02-03 03:45:01 AM  
Now if we could raise the Yamoto we could finally deal with those pesky aliens by going to Iskandar.
 
2008-02-03 03:45:47 AM  
Hector Remarkable: Very nice.

Wish I could take credit for it...but it gave me a good laugh, so I snagged it.

/Hell, I wish I even knew how to make .gifs
 
2008-02-03 03:47:22 AM  
Karl-Heinz Guderian?

Field Marshal Keitel?

Am I getting warm?
 
2008-02-03 03:51:05 AM  
xlbrooklyn: seacocks
 
2008-02-03 03:55:34 AM  
+1! I lawled, both at subby and nativefloridian.
 
2008-02-03 03:57:41 AM  
Maybe submitter is implying that Hitler has been cloned and is now available for updates?

/You know who else escaped to Brazil and was cloned? No, wait....
 
2008-02-03 04:09:48 AM  
Urgh..U-boats. Those weren't good odds at coming back alive.
 
2008-02-03 04:09:58 AM  
T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.


That's a pretty interesting video. If you want to make it better, around 1:45, right when you pass by what seems to be a long whitened bone, you should have a zombie corpse thingy jump into frame and should AIEEEEEE!

You could probably kill people if you do that right.
 
2008-02-03 04:19:16 AM  
T.M.S.: Yes, those are human remains inside.

Wow, that must be an amazing dive. Also, please pardon my idiocy, but was that long whitened bone thingy mentioned above indeed a bone? Were there any actual bodies left, or was it mostly bones scattered about?
 
2008-02-03 04:32:11 AM  
goofoffgoose: T.M.S.: Yes, those are human remains inside.

Wow, that must be an amazing dive. Also, please pardon my idiocy, but was that long whitened bone thingy mentioned above indeed a bone? Were there any actual bodies left, or was it mostly bones scattered about?


Do you really think a human body would remain intact over 70 years underwater, in salt water, surrounded by scavenger animals?
 
2008-02-03 04:39:58 AM  
T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.


I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)
 
2008-02-03 04:49:18 AM  
CarrieWhite: Urgh..U-boats. Those weren't good odds at coming back alive.

My grandpa wanted to become an U-Boot sailor in WWII, but as the Tommys were sinking them faster and faster, he helped build the V rockets instead. I might not be around otherwise.

/strange thought
 
2008-02-03 05:02:43 AM  
open the seacocks wide boys, we're going all the way down!

aaaarrrrrrrrrr!!!!!
 
2008-02-03 05:06:27 AM  
THOOOMMMMSONNNN!
 
2008-02-03 05:12:36 AM  
ssrat: I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)


Any show you ever see on television - about anything - is heavily edited. I'd expect they would edit out footage of human remains, or at least not point it out when it's in the background, so you wouldn't necessarily pick it out.
 
2008-02-03 05:13:35 AM  
ssrat: T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.

I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)


Open ocean wrecks have occupants scattered by underwater currents. Those sailors in the u-boats were enclosed when they went down, so, barring a catastrophic hull rip or being ripped/blown in half, it's unlikely that the remains would get out of a largely enclosed space like that.
 
2008-02-03 05:34:10 AM  
Three ships constitutes a fleet?
 
2008-02-03 06:09:44 AM  
I dunno, but three aircraft constitute a flight.
 
2008-02-03 07:18:35 AM  
Das Boot references FTW!
 
2008-02-03 07:56:18 AM  
kntgsp: Three ships constitutes a fleet?

I think a group of submarines operating together is called a "wolfpack".

/At least I think that's what the Germans called them.
//Interesting article
 
2008-02-03 08:04:04 AM  
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2008-02-03 08:13:08 AM  
Capt. Ramius: You will go with the crew. The officers and I will submerge beneath you, and scuttle the ship.
Dr. Petrov: You'll receive the Order of Lenin for this, Captain.
 
2008-02-03 09:58:03 AM  
scotty425: kntgsp: Three ships constitutes a fleet?

I think a group of submarines operating together is called a "wolfpack".

/At least I think that's what the Germans called them.
//Interesting article


I thought three tubes full of seamen was called "Saturday Night With Paris Hilton"..... Hmmmm...
 
2008-02-03 10:47:11 AM  
I think those 3 subs would be a "wolf pack", maybe, not a "fleet".
 
2008-02-03 10:47:42 AM  
Interesting article.
I like the link to the "German pupils given Holocaust comic book" at the bottom. Comedy gold Klaus!
 
2008-02-03 11:24:07 AM  
Perhaps the word fleet is used because they were the entire naval presence in that sea.
 
2008-02-03 12:00:53 PM  
madmann: scotty425: kntgsp: Three ships constitutes a fleet?

I think a group of submarines operating together is called a "wolfpack".

/At least I think that's what the Germans called them.
//Interesting article

I thought three tubes full of seamen was called "Saturday Night With Paris Hilton"..... Hmmmm...


ROFL nicely done
 
2008-02-03 12:36:08 PM  
nativefloridian: /just thought I'd share

OMG that's the funniest thing I've seen on here in ages!
 
2008-02-03 01:17:20 PM  
ssrat:

I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)


One F Jef:

Open ocean wrecks have occupants scattered by underwater currents. Those sailors in the u-boats were enclosed when they went down, so, barring a catastrophic hull rip or being ripped/blown in half, it's unlikely that the remains would get out of a largely enclosed space like that.


The great majority of shipwrecks that people dive in the Bahamas and other warm water vacation destinations are not really what I would call shipwrecks. Those sites were deliberately sunk in order to create a tourist attraction. Therefore no one was (hopefully) on board when it went down.

99.9% of the shipwrecks in cold water locations went down due to war, weather or collision. Therefore in many cases passengers and crew were still on board.

Most of the dive shows on tv that feature technical level diving will avoid showing the bones and skulls that are found inside. I guess the figure that would be a turn off for the audience.
 
2008-02-03 01:20:32 PM  
When I was stationed in Greece, one of our scuba check dives was swimming a mile underwater into a harbor owned by Dow Chemical and retrieving an item from a WWII U-boat that had been scuttled during the war. When the German Navy left Greece, this boat was apparently broke so they towed it into the harbor deep water and sunk it. You had to carry an extra air tank and do a ditch and dawn maneuver to enter the sub. Good times.
 
2008-02-03 01:41:29 PM  
You know...Schnellboots (similar to our PT Boats) would have been MUCH easier (and cheaper) to get there! Link (new window)
 
2008-02-03 02:00:00 PM  
HowlingPook: When I was stationed in Greece, one of our scuba check dives was swimming a mile underwater into a harbor owned by Dow Chemical and retrieving an item from a WWII U-boat that had been scuttled during the war. When the German Navy left Greece, this boat was apparently broke so they towed it into the harbor deep water and sunk it. You had to carry an extra air tank and do a ditch and dawn maneuver to enter the sub. Good times.

You did a mile long swim into "deep water" with stages, were able navigate well enough to find a sunken sub, did a full penetration, object recovery, gas switch and swam a mile back?

I never heard of anyone swimming a mile underwater on open circuit (your sac rate must be the lowest in recorded history) but a U-Boat penetration after such a swim would be pretty ballsy.

What mix were you using that you did not tox out during the swim alone?
 
2008-02-03 02:47:13 PM  
Link (new window)

Only six boats for the 30th Flotilla.
 
2008-02-03 02:56:27 PM  
ssrat: T.M.S.: Incredibly cool.

Here is some video I shot of a less fortunate U-Boat crew.

Link (new window)

Yes, those are human remains inside.

I'm a little surprised at that, I don't think I have ever seen anything else with remains in them on any of the underwater TV dives (His/Disc.NG etc.)
I know none of the Bermuda stuff, planes especially has any, is it the coldness of the water perchance? is it near anything natural (cave,gas,trench etc.?)


Ever see "Trauma: Life In The E.R."? You see all sorts of graphic nastiness, but one thing is missing: all the things that are found in the assholes of gays that need to be removed. I knew someone who worked at a big city E.R., and apparently they came in w/regularity, but you never see it on that show.
 
2008-02-03 02:57:28 PM  
phukitol: they didnt call em eisensarge (iron coffins) for nothin.

80% death rate for uboat crew....still better than getting sent to siege leningrad tho.


Statistically, you still had a better chance of surviving on the eastern front.
 
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