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(Reuters)   Pope criticizes science for not protecting human dignity. This from a guy who wears an origami hat   (reuters.com) divider line 231
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2008-02-01 06:15:46 PM  
He's just mad because they haven't isolated the Molesting Gene yet.
 
2008-02-01 06:21:53 PM  
Actually, it's a tea cosy.
 
2008-02-01 06:28:02 PM  
All I have to say is God must have a enormous farking hat, that's all.
 
2008-02-01 06:29:11 PM  
I'd really like to hear the definition of human dignity coming from an ex-Nazi.
 
2008-02-01 06:29:12 PM  
Cagey B: He's just mad because they haven't isolated the Molesting Gene yet.

www.wired.com

Here she is! Get her! (GIS for Molesting Gene).
 
2008-02-01 06:29:49 PM  
FATHER-PRIEST 2: Is there one aspect of the faith that you find particularly attractive?

GEORGE: (he thinks) I think the hats. The hat conveys that solemn religious look you want in a faith. Very pious.
 
2008-02-01 06:30:19 PM  
Come on. The pope hat is rad to put on, whenever you're religious or all science.
 
2008-02-01 06:30:33 PM  
1derful: I'd really like to hear the definition of human dignity coming from an ex-Nazi.

Only took 4 posts, congratulations...
 
2008-02-01 06:30:40 PM  
Well, science DOESN'T concern itself with morality. Science is not a humanitarian effort. It concerns itself with physical motion, not human action. Science itself is not at fault; but human use of science leads not only to good things (cures for diseases and Fridgedaires), but also to lots of ills (the atmoic bomb and widespread pollution).

To paraphrase Ian Malcolm, I think too often scientists only think about if they "can" do something, not whether they "should" do something.
 
2008-02-01 06:30:44 PM  
Much better NSFW GIS for "molesting gene" (simmons) (new window - must see!)
 
2008-02-01 06:30:57 PM  
"And if God had wanted us to fly he would have given us wings!"

Once again the Catholics are showing us what Luddites they are. If God exists, he gave us a brain so we could figure all these things out. Yet the pope wants us to bury our talents in the ground. Read your own damn book and put away your brown shirt.
 
2008-02-01 06:31:31 PM  
tuna fingers: Much better NSFW GIS for "molesting gene" (simmons) (new window - must see!)

Oops. Fail. still NSFW Link (new window)
 
2008-02-01 06:31:37 PM  
I disagree, but I see what he means. Mechanism, a philosophical outlook which science has largely adopted, can be pretty demoralizing sometimes. Perfect mechanism means that there is no human dignity.
 
2008-02-01 06:32:25 PM  
Science is supposed to deal with facts and facts may or may not make humans feel better. However, hiding our heads in the sand over it isn't the answer. For example:

Practices like freezing embryos, suppression of embryos in multiple pregnancies, embryonic stem cell research, the prospect of human cloning and artificial insemination outside the body had "shattered the barriers meant to protect human dignity", he said.

The only barriers there are in the minds of human beings, they don't otherwise exist. This is, of course, why science shattered them. If they were real barriers, then science would have failed in these areas.

Such practices "questioned the very concept of the dignity of man," he said in the speech to the department known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

No, actually, they question the very relevance of man. I'll admit that can be unsettling, but the dignity and relevance of our species in this Universe is something else that is strictly in our minds.

It's not the purview of science to protect humanity from the cold, harsh, reality of the universe.
 
2008-02-01 06:32:51 PM  
The man who stole the ruby red slippers from the Wicked Witch of the West talks bout dignity?

/Gonna make me one of them hats. Got a Mitre saw just fer that reason.
 
2008-02-01 06:33:04 PM  
expect an apology in about 400 years for some of the comments Benedict is making in the realm of science.

Considering the precedent set by has successor, John Paul II, in apologizing for Galileo, we can
 
2008-02-01 06:33:05 PM  
seattletimes.nwsource.com
 
2008-02-01 06:34:13 PM  
Go ahead and worship images on bread, walls, chocolate, anything that looks like the virgin mary, but ignor science. Brilliant! Welcome to the dark ages again everyone.
 
2008-02-01 06:34:30 PM  
msnbcmedia3.msn.com
Knows how to accessorize
 
2008-02-01 06:34:49 PM  
"This from a guy who wears an origami hat, and a dress."

FTFS
 
2008-02-01 06:34:55 PM  
Pope criticizes science for not protecting human dignity.

Science criticizes the pope for protecting pedophiles.
 
2008-02-01 06:35:07 PM  
I would say that popes in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
2008-02-01 06:35:39 PM  
jennyz: 1derful: I'd really like to hear the definition of human dignity coming from an ex-Nazi.

Only took 4 posts, congratulations...


Fail more jennyz. Try reading more:

Understanding the Vatican During the Nazi Period. (new window)


The Vatican quarreled with both Hitler and Mussolini on race, but hardly out of concern for the welfare of Jews. Throughout this period the Church seldom opposed anti-Jewish persecutions and rarely denounced governments for discriminatory practices; when it did so, it usually admonished governments to act with "justice and charity", disapproving only of violent excesses or the most extravagant forms of oppression.
 
2008-02-01 06:36:17 PM  
Losing human dignity??!? Wow, we better crawl on our knees up the stairs to the Vatican! We better beat ourselves senseless like the cultists in Opus Dei! We better follow a megalomaniacal dictator who erases all personal guilt by allowing us to become part of a machinelike State!


/Spits at the pope...
 
2008-02-01 06:36:27 PM  
tuna fingers: Cagey B: He's just mad because they haven't isolated the Molesting Gene yet.



Here she is! Get her! (GIS for Molesting Gene).


www.wired.com

I'd hit it.
 
2008-02-01 06:36:29 PM  
I think he meant the dignity of MEN.

With all these new fangled techniques it won't be long until MEN aren't really needed anymore. Besides, MEN seem to start most of the trouble in this world. Sooner or later a smart lady scientist will figure out what to do about the MAN problem and, well, that'll be the end of male dominated society.

I recomend keeping a few docile MEN around - kinda like we keep docile horses - for riding pleasure.
 
2008-02-01 06:36:32 PM  
yay! catholic hate hour!
 
2008-02-01 06:36:58 PM  
Does he have tin foil under his hat?
 
2008-02-01 06:37:01 PM  
img3.freeimagehosting.net

They're all the same, people.

No, really.

They're all the same.
 
2008-02-01 06:37:11 PM  
Pixiest: "And if God had wanted us to fly he would have given us wings!"

Once again the Catholics are showing us what Luddites they are. If God exists, he gave us a brain so we could figure all these things out. Yet the pope wants us to bury our talents in the ground. Read your own damn book and put away your brown shirt.


QFT

Oh, and for no particular reason:
www.martinemartin.co.uk
 
2008-02-01 06:37:58 PM  
Well, at least the Catholic Church lets women take on the same roles as men. They don't shelter or hide child molesters, either.


.....Wait a minute....
 
2008-02-01 06:38:18 PM  
blue_veiner: yay! catholic hate hour!

Well, actually I gave up being Catholic for Lent, so carry on.
 
2008-02-01 06:38:26 PM  
Human dignity: not squatting, filthy and ignorant, in a dirt floor hovel.

Human dignity: not dying, on average, in your 20s or 30s (assuming you made it past infancy).

Human dignity: not being scared of everything in the natural world, because it's bigger than you, and you can't understand it.

Human dignity: not listening to some old guy in an origami hat, who institutionalized the protection of a bunch of boy botherers.
 
2008-02-01 06:38:28 PM  
i49.photobucket.com

"fight the real enemy!"
 
2008-02-01 06:39:01 PM  
No position to criticize, padre. Tell the impoverished masses that it's OK to wear a condom, then maybe I'll listen.
 
2008-02-01 06:39:37 PM  
img125.imageshack.usimg220.imageshack.usimg245.imageshack.us

All wish to inform the pope to shut his whore mouth when men are talking.
 
2008-02-01 06:40:06 PM  
hyperflame: jennyz: 1derful: I'd really like to hear the definition of human dignity coming from an ex-Nazi.

Only took 4 posts, congratulations...

Fail more jennyz. Try reading more:

Understanding the Vatican During the Nazi Period. (new window)


The Vatican quarreled with both Hitler and Mussolini on race, but hardly out of concern for the welfare of Jews. Throughout this period the Church seldom opposed anti-Jewish persecutions and rarely denounced governments for discriminatory practices; when it did so, it usually admonished governments to act with "justice and charity", disapproving only of violent excesses or the most extravagant forms of oppression.


It seems like parts of that article would support jennyz, for instance:

Church policy toward Jews during the war can be seen in this historical perspective. For the first few years persecution seems to have caused few ripples at the Vatican and awakened no more interest or sympathy than in the 1930s. Church diplomats continued to speak in favor of "justice and charity", but were largely unconcerned about the persecution of Jews by Nazi or collaborationist governments. A striking illustration comes from the autumn of 1941, when the French Ambassador to the Holy See, Léon Berard, sent an extensive report to Vichy on the Vatican's views. According to this diplomat the Holy See was not interested in the French antisemitic laws and worried only that they might undermine Church jurisdiction or involve occasional breaches of "justice and charity". So far as the French were concerned, the Vatican essentially gave them a green light to legislate as they chose against Jews.
 
2008-02-01 06:40:16 PM  
Man On Pink Corner: They're all the same, people.

No, really.

They're all the same.


Exactly. All religions are mental illnesses. Wipe them out!
 
2008-02-01 06:40:43 PM  
Cagey B: He's just mad because they haven't isolated the Molesting Gene yet.

yah really- it effects human dignity to destroy single cell organisms, but buggering a 12 year behind the pews is an uplifting experience!
 
2008-02-01 06:40:50 PM  
FTFA: it was important that science did not become the sole criteria

That's some fine editing there, Lou.
 
2008-02-01 06:41:45 PM  
Completely unrelated, but I found this in a GIS:
greg.org
WTF?
 
2008-02-01 06:41:45 PM  
I'm pretty sure if all humans showed dignity other humans would not try to exterminate them.


Dignity and class, not everyone has it.
 
2008-02-01 06:41:56 PM  
mesorivas: "fight the real enemy!"

Never understood why so many people (exept for bloody Catholics) got so pissed off at Sinead for that!
 
2008-02-01 06:42:42 PM  
Don't talk to me about human dignity, or anything else for that matter. A celibate man in a dress is in no position to decide what constitutes normal sexual practices.
 
2008-02-01 06:43:09 PM  
nativefloridian: Completely unrelated, but I found this in a GIS:

WTF?


We got a piper down!
 
2008-02-01 06:44:14 PM  
co-conspirator
Human dignity: not squatting, filthy and ignorant, in a dirt floor hovel.

Human dignity: not dying, on average, in your 20s or 30s (assuming you made it past infancy).

Human dignity: not being scared of everything in the natural world, because it's bigger than you, and you can't understand it.


I won't argue with the oragami-hat bullet point, because I agree with it. But don't you think you're being a little bit elitist by saying you have no dignity just because you live in a hut, or believe in spirits, or die young?

Seemed like indigenous peoples led dignified lives for thousands of years before Europeans showed up with science and technology. Hell, some native tribes choose to remain hostile to our march of progress. They obviously see plenty of dignity in preserving their ways of life. Plus . . . I'd rather have one of these "undignified" people around if I ever found myself outside the confines of our technological paradise.
 
2008-02-01 06:44:15 PM  
blue_veiner: yay! catholic hate ridicule hour!

FTFY
 
2008-02-01 06:44:23 PM  
blue_veiner: yay! catholic hate hour!

Can't stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen. Perhaps if the Pope were to actually follow the instructions of the one he claims to adore, then nobody would have reason to come down on him.
 
2008-02-01 06:44:33 PM  
Oops, we scientists thought that was religion's job. Our bad.
 
2008-02-01 06:46:42 PM  
hyperflame:
Fail more jennyz. Try reading more:

Understanding the Vatican During the Nazi Period. (new window)


The Vatican quarreled with both Hitler and Mussolini on race, but hardly out of concern for the welfare of Jews. Throughout this period the Church seldom opposed anti-Jewish persecutions and rarely denounced governments for discriminatory practices; when it did so, it usually admonished governments to act with "justice and charity", disapproving only of violent excesses or the most extravagant forms of oppression.

I guess that's why Einstein is quoted in Time Magazine as saying "Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."

The Pope was stuck in a rough place, as a harsh condemnation would have cost even more lives ("As an example, the Catholic Archbishop of Utrecht in July 1942 protested in a pastoral letter against the Jewish persecutions in Holland. Immediately the Nazis rounded up as many Jews and Catholic non-Aryans as possible and deported them to death camps, including Blessed Edith Stein"). A condemnation from The Pope wouldn't have stopped Hitler... instead of using words, he used actions, and saved as many individual Jewish people as he could be giving them asylum in the Vatican.
 
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