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2008-02-01 03:55:45 PM  
Dimensio: If the gun is to be fired, it should be fired toward the individual who has invaded. Anything else is completely irresponsible, and only a moron would suggest otherwise.

It violates TWO of the most basic firearms rules (rules you should know before you even LOOK at a gun!): Don't point a gun towards anything you do not plan to destroy and don't shoot at anything unless you know what is beyond the target.
 
2008-02-01 03:55:48 PM  
If someone busts through my door and says "You better kill me, I'm coming in." not only will I keep shooting until he stops moving, but so will my wife.
 
2008-02-01 03:58:27 PM  
Sadsaque: You know, I just realized that this site is a fiercely contested battleground of those seeking approval for pretending to be the most sincerely stupid, fighting in opposition to those attempting to affect the most overreaching persona of the direst pathological liar. I feel so foolish.

Killing someone when you need not have= FAIL
Not sure where I read that ... I'll look it up-- TANAKH, BIBLE, KORAN, damnit!

Maybe the perp was diabetic intox & REALLY needed a snickers, nom, nom. Maybe, who knows what-the-f; there-but-for-the-good-gracious blah blah...
FIRST, shoot a hole through your roof, and see what good that may do ... maybe think about running away (?)

I don't care if the guy already got medals in 3 wars, blowing away somebody in your foyer will give you the damn PTSD's!
/i know


You were okay at first and then, evidently your cat leapt upon the keyboard. The homeowner in TFA made his intentions perfectly clear to the perp, allowing him time to beat a hasty retreat unharmed. If I was looking for a diabetic sugar fix, I'd have dropped to the floor and started begging for sugar, not saying "you'll have to kill me."

Even if he was in some sort of deranged medical state, if he was already f'd enough to tear off someone's storm door and keep coming after being warned, he was still dangerous. Fortunately for him, his low blood sugar has resulted in superior bone density. Now he can get the candy he really needs, and can head-butt people with impunity knowing that he's a superhero.
 
2008-02-01 04:01:48 PM  
aguynVegas: smaller calibers require the double tap..

Alright, goddammit, this is a misuse, perpetrated by NCIS, that bugs the hell out of me.

Double-tap does NOT mean "shoot twice." It means "go back through a combat zone after a battle and shoot all the enemy bodies again in order to make sure the dead ones are really dead and the living ones don't become expensive, cumbersome POWs." It's specifically disallowed in the Geneva Convention but remains SOP in most combat units in the world.
 
2008-02-01 04:02:16 PM  
Another CZ household here...

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2008-02-01 04:04:15 PM  
Springfield XD-45 Tactical
Cor-Bon 185 grain hollow points
 
2008-02-01 04:04:47 PM  
Dark Overlord: Perps will keep coming with many 9mm holes in them. Not with .40, .45, .44.

Why do people believe this bullshiat?
 
2008-02-01 04:06:58 PM  
Alveolar_Stop: aguynVegas: smaller calibers require the double tap..

Alright, goddammit, this is a misuse, perpetrated by NCIS, that bugs the hell out of me.

Double-tap does NOT mean "shoot twice." It means "go back through a combat zone after a battle and shoot all the enemy bodies again in order to make sure the dead ones are really dead and the living ones don't become expensive, cumbersome POWs." It's specifically disallowed in the Geneva Convention but remains SOP in most combat units in the world.


Only the well-financed ones shoot the wounded. The cheap-asses just bayonet them. Ain't war hell?

BTW, and I'm sincerely curious, where did you find that definition? Every military training evolution I've ever attended indicated that it was a two-round dose of lead, delivered in quick succession. Never was the idea of shooting the wounded discussed.
 
2008-02-01 04:08:51 PM  
I'm a big fan of CZ's. My home defender is the CZ40B, of course only after the the 12 GA is dry.

/CZ rimfires are what Anschutz wants to be
 
2008-02-01 04:11:20 PM  
As said above, the best one to have is the one in your hand....and it doesn't have to be new and sexy. Hell it doesn't even have to use metallic cartridges.

Because of laws where I live, I have to make do with my Uberti .44 3rd Mod. Dragoon black powder (think Colt Walker and you're close) for home. 50 grain charge makes it more than adequate, only thing is it has to be cleared (fired) then cleaned (a real pain) and reloaded weekly....ok maybe it doesn't NEED to be, but why take a chance on humidity ruining the powder? May not be new hotness, but a .44 hole is a .44 hole.
 
2008-02-01 04:14:59 PM  
Doesn't everyone know that .22's only work on ...
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2008-02-01 04:26:12 PM  
Emrick: Kevua: "It was just after Halloween, on Monday morning at 4:30," Taylor said. I heard this commotion at the door and grabbed my fishing gun, a little .22 revolver, to see what was going on. I got to the front door and this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame. He said, 'you're going to have to kill me. I'm coming in.'"

Are there Barracuda in Tennessee? What do you do with a "fishing gun"?


Shoot snakes with it. Or hillbilly rapists. Also known as a "tackle box gun."

/srsly
 
2008-02-01 04:32:10 PM  
manimal2878: Dark Overlord: Perps will keep coming with many 9mm holes in them. Not with .40, .45, .44.

Why do people believe this bullshiat?


In some cases it is true. There have been cases of perps being shot multiple time (I've heard as high as 13 times!) and continuing on as if nothing happened. One who had been shot several times in the chest later stated that they felt like bee stings until he got to the hospital (and the adrenalin wore off.)

That adrenalin dump can do strange things!

I wish I could find the link... it was a study of police involved shootings. I won't get home until late tonight, I'm pretty sure I have it saved to my computer at home. The gist of the study was that police who only fire twice at a target (a training scar many officers suffer from) may be putting themselves in danger as even two direct hits aren't always enough to bring the perp down. Unless you hit them in the spinal cord or the brain with one of those shots they can keep coming for you in many cases, hence the advice to keep shooting until they are no longer a threat.
 
2008-02-01 04:33:48 PM  
5 feet with a .22? Heh, shoulda taken the dude down. The ammo was proabably to blame, but zero penetration on a shot like that hurts like hell (caught a riccochet in the noggin' once). Dude's probably STILL shiatting his pants when he thinks about it.

As to the people saying "well, use a knife!", knives are incredibly difficult to use properly, even in perfect circumstances. Early morning? Little light? Screw it - I'd grab a small-calibre or Glaser bullet any damned time, and I have trained with knives. You're nearly as likely to cut yourself bad as your are to cut someone else bad with a decently sharp blade.
 
2008-02-01 04:34:50 PM  
I suggest that anyone take a .22 handgun, put it to your head and shoot. See if it "stops" you.

Or better yet, take a .22 Merlin Rifle and put it to your temple. Pull the trigger. Post results.
 
2008-02-01 04:39:52 PM  
factoryconnection: Hosebeatings: Even the little ones in your ankles can spray several feet (new window)

Tried to walk off the arterial bleeding? Awesome. I don't know if you mentioned that you were hardcore, though. I had an employee try to tough out a heart attack once, but his signs weren't so clear as some conditions... namely yours. LOL. I'm glad you did get put back together in time.


It's happened three times now, each September since 2005. The first time I managed to patch it in an hour or so, and the second time only took half an hour. I figured it would work the same way this last time too. With any luck, this last time fixed it permanently.

I also walked off a fractured tibia in 2006. Cracked the fark out of it falling off a truck (my boot slipped, and while trying to make sure I didn't break the other leg on the tailgate, I smashed my shin on the underside of the trailer hitch), finished hunting that night (I knew if I stopped to lie down I wouldn't get back up, so I figured I'd at least finish out the day), and could barely move the next day. Took a few months to get it back up to spec. Best part? I live in the basement of a 4-floor house, and the computer was on the top floor. Climbing all those stairs got real old, real fast.

In 1996 I got T-boned by a SUV (the Dodge 3500 wannabe-Suburban) hard enough to send my van airborne to land on the hood of a car 15 feet from the impact. Got a concussion and strained back from being whipped to the right and smacking my head on the shotgun seat. Yeah, I went to work the next day. Work was stock in the dairy department a grocery store, and included throwing around all kinds of big boxes and bags of stuff. Yes, it sucked.

Ever since the tibia incident, if I say I'm in pain it becomes a "drop everything and fix it" deal. The people I associate with assume if I'm biatching about it, they'd probably be demanding morphine.

I suppose at this point the phrase "I told you farkers I was hardcore" is pretty much obligatory.
 
2008-02-01 04:44:19 PM  
factoryconnection: BTW, and I'm sincerely curious, where did you find that definition? Every military training evolution I've ever attended indicated that it was a two-round dose of lead, delivered in quick succession. Never was the idea of shooting the wounded discussed.

Twice in basic: once by an officer giving us a class on the Geneva Convention and once by a drill sergeant when training how to sweep a combat zone, both at Ft. Benning, GA. They gave the same definition, but different instructions as to when to do it (officer: NEVER, DS: ALWAYS).
 
2008-02-01 04:45:03 PM  
colovion: manimal2878: Dark Overlord: Perps will keep coming with many 9mm holes in them. Not with .40, .45, .44.

Why do people believe this bullshiat?

In some cases it is true. There have been cases of perps being shot multiple time (I've heard as high as 13 times!) and continuing on as if nothing happened. One who had been shot several times in the chest later stated that they felt like bee stings until he got to the hospital (and the adrenalin wore off.)

That adrenalin dump can do strange things!

I wish I could find the link... it was a study of police involved shootings. I won't get home until late tonight, I'm pretty sure I have it saved to my computer at home. The gist of the study was that police who only fire twice at a target (a training scar many officers suffer from) may be putting themselves in danger as even two direct hits aren't always enough to bring the perp down. Unless you hit them in the spinal cord or the brain with one of those shots they can keep coming for you in many cases, hence the advice to keep shooting until they are no longer a threat.


It comes down to how quickly they need die. I looked up that glaser ammunition and found a study on stopping power. One needs to lose 20% of blood quickly to be rendered unconscious. Beyond that, if you're trying to stop a determined opponent, more energy and more impact will stop them sooner. Yeah, one bullet will typically do the trick eventually, and in this case the whack to the skull put him down just like a Curt Schilling fastball. In other cases, you may not want to wait for the adrenaline to die down, as the target is shooting back.

Vexanation same response... there is basically a difference between killing and stopping. Killing isn't actually the goal, but can happen at any time after the first hit. Stopping is the goal, and if it doesn't happen quickly then the problem just got worse. That's why I use a deadbolt and a security system... good stopping power and deterrence.
 
2008-02-01 04:48:47 PM  
Hosebeatings: Ever since the tibia incident, if I say I'm in pain it becomes a "drop everything and fix it" deal. The people I associate with assume if I'm biatching about it, they'd probably be demanding morphine.

I suppose at this point the phrase "I told you farkers I was hardcore" is pretty much obligatory.


Nice.

Alveolar_Stop: Twice in basic: once by an officer giving us a class on the Geneva Convention and once by a drill sergeant when training how to sweep a combat zone, both at Ft. Benning, GA. They gave the same definition, but different instructions as to when to do it (officer: NEVER, DS: ALWAYS).

Gotcha; never dealt with Army only Marines, but didn't go through Infantry or anything like that.
 
2008-02-01 04:49:01 PM  
colovion: manimal2878: Dark Overlord: Perps will keep coming with many 9mm holes in them. Not with .40, .45, .44.

Why do people believe this bullshiat?

In some cases it is true. There have been cases of perps being shot multiple time (I've heard as high as 13 times!) and continuing on as if nothing happened. One who had been shot several times in the chest later stated that they felt like bee stings until he got to the hospital (and the adrenalin wore off.)

That adrenalin dump can do strange things!

I wish I could find the link... it was a study of police involved shootings. I won't get home until late tonight, I'm pretty sure I have it saved to my computer at home. The gist of the study was that police who only fire twice at a target (a training scar many officers suffer from) may be putting themselves in danger as even two direct hits aren't always enough to bring the perp down. Unless you hit them in the spinal cord or the brain with one of those shots they can keep coming for you in many cases, hence the advice to keep shooting until they are no longer a threat.


the bullshiat part is that .40 or .45 are some how devastating and do not suffer the problems you mention above while the 9mm does, not that what you say is not true.
 
2008-02-01 04:55:28 PM  
manimal2878: the bullshiat part is that .40 or .45 are some how devastating and do not suffer the problems you mention above while the 9mm does, not that what you say is not true.

I agree. I believe the guy who was shot several times in the chest was shot with .40, but, again, I don't have the link on this computer.
 
2008-02-01 04:58:36 PM  
GomezAdams
I read a review last week showing that the .410 simply does not have the stopping power with buckshot OR slugs to be a proper defense round - not enough penetration. They did have some fun doing skeet shooting with a pistol, though.
 
2008-02-01 04:59:00 PM  
factoryconnection:

Gotcha; never dealt with Army only Marines, but didn't go through Infantry or anything like that.


It could be a generational gap thing too. I went through long enough ago that some of my DS's and all of my first sergeants and up had been in Viet Nam, and all the ones that weren't were certainly trained by people who had. Maybe it's just a usage from a generation that, by now, is entirely gone from the military.
 
2008-02-01 05:02:28 PM  
colovion: manimal2878: Dark Overlord: Perps will keep coming with many 9mm holes in them. Not with .40, .45, .44.

Why do people believe this bullshiat?

In some cases it is true. There have been cases of perps being shot multiple time (I've heard as high as 13 times!) and continuing on as if nothing happened. One who had been shot several times in the chest later stated that they felt like bee stings until he got to the hospital (and the adrenalin wore off.)

That adrenalin dump can do strange things!

I wish I could find the link... it was a study of police involved shootings. I won't get home until late tonight, I'm pretty sure I have it saved to my computer at home. The gist of the study was that police who only fire twice at a target (a training scar many officers suffer from) may be putting themselves in danger as even two direct hits aren't always enough to bring the perp down. Unless you hit them in the spinal cord or the brain with one of those shots they can keep coming for you in many cases, hence the advice to keep shooting until they are no longer a threat.


Any idea what kind of ammo was used in those cases? I suppose that kind of thing might be slightly more likely with FMJ rounds than with hollowpoints, but I'm only just guessing.
 
2008-02-01 05:23:21 PM  
Why do so many farkers have nowhere better to photograph their guns that the farking floor?

You're gonna scratch the polish...
 
2008-02-01 05:24:10 PM  
THAN the floor. Damn.
 
2008-02-01 05:27:22 PM  
Alveolar_Stop: aguynVegas: smaller calibers require the double tap..

Alright, goddammit, this is a misuse, perpetrated by NCIS, that bugs the hell out of me.

Double-tap does NOT mean "shoot twice." It means "go back through a combat zone after a battle and shoot all the enemy bodies again in order to make sure the dead ones are really dead and the living ones don't become expensive, cumbersome POWs." It's specifically disallowed in the Geneva Convention but remains SOP in most combat units in the world.


umm beg to differ

Link (new window)
 
2008-02-01 05:41:54 PM  
aguynVegas: Alveolar_Stop: aguynVegas: smaller calibers require the double tap..

Alright, goddammit, this is a misuse, perpetrated by NCIS, that bugs the hell out of me.

Double-tap does NOT mean "shoot twice." It means "go back through a combat zone after a battle and shoot all the enemy bodies again in order to make sure the dead ones are really dead and the living ones don't become expensive, cumbersome POWs." It's specifically disallowed in the Geneva Convention but remains SOP in most combat units in the world.

umm beg to differ

Link (new window)


That's an excellent description of the technique and the reason for it, but it doesn't confirm that the phrase "double tap" has been used the whole time to describe it. We were taught the technique, but it was never called a "double tap." As I said in my original post, the term was used for something completely different. In the subsequent discussion between me and factoryconnection, we talked about some possible reasons for that (generational differences, branch differences, recent shifts in meaning).
 
2008-02-01 05:55:56 PM  
Dimensio: only a moron would suggest otherwise

Taken as a compliment.

/considering the source
//just doesn't get it
//forgot to contradict my main point
///"you lose; die."
///kill, kill, kill
 
2008-02-01 05:59:52 PM  
Alveolar_Stop: aguynVegas: Alveolar_Stop: aguynVegas: smaller calibers require the double tap..

Alright, goddammit, this is a misuse, perpetrated by NCIS, that bugs the hell out of me.

Double-tap does NOT mean "shoot twice." It means "go back through a combat zone after a battle and shoot all the enemy bodies again in order to make sure the dead ones are really dead and the living ones don't become expensive, cumbersome POWs." It's specifically disallowed in the Geneva Convention but remains SOP in most combat units in the world.

umm beg to differ

Link (new window)

That's an excellent description of the technique and the reason for it, but it doesn't confirm that the phrase "double tap" has been used the whole time to describe it. We were taught the technique, but it was never called a "double tap." As I said in my original post, the term was used for something completely different. In the subsequent discussion between me and factoryconnection, we talked about some possible reasons for that (generational differences, branch differences, recent shifts in meaning).


ok, I will bite..
What was the term used (by your instructors) to describe the technique of quickly shooting a small caliber weapon twice to achieve the desired results?

I mean for you to go off on a rant on the misuse of a term used to describe a firing technique used (around the world) since the 40s..

and NOT offer up it's replacement?? wtf
 
2008-02-01 06:13:34 PM  
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8 round mag of 2 3/4" 00Buck is whats in it now, the target was hit with 9 rounds of 7 shot at 25 feet. Yes its real, bought pre ban in 93.

The nice thing about a SPAS12 is the chances of someone picking it up and figuring out how to operate it in time to use it, for much other than an ornate club, are very small...

/already have the PTSDs thanks
//'reach out and touch someone' is handled with either an AR15 or SKS
///Handgun is a .45ACP
 
2008-02-01 06:25:39 PM  
Dimensio: Few people, if anyone at all, have made such an argument.

That's because many gunners are afraid to say something that's not politically correct, even though their Glock-blackened hearts tell them so.

40oz_A_Knight: LocalCynic likes to troll gun threads. He takes the argument that anyone who decides to rob a house assumes the risk of getting shot and individuals have the right to defend themselves and their property and somehow arrives at "HAHAH OMG LOL YUO WANT BURGLERS TO BE YUOUR SLAVES!!! YUO LIK TO KILL PEEPLE!"

You also left out the argument that homeowners have the right to rape burglars. The gunners deny it, but their belt buckle is already half undone by the time they finished reading my posts. They're much better than gun porn.
 
2008-02-01 06:30:34 PM  
colovion: Perhaps you can explain to everyone the value this criminal provides to society? A homeless burglar fugative? He is a CANCER on society, period.

I see your point. Criminals are cancer. And cancer kills people. We kill cancer, therefore, we should kill criminals. Somebody shoplifts a loaf of bread for his starving children? DEATH. Somebody breaks your car window? DEATH. Somebody punches another person in a bar fight? DEATH.

We should not stop with an eye for an eye. If somebody takes your eye, you should take theirs, then skullfark them, then have your liberty with them in whatever holes you like, then kill them. THAT would be a just society.
 
2008-02-01 06:32:53 PM  
Alveolar_StopDouble-tap does NOT mean "shoot twice." It means "go back through a combat zone after a battle and shoot all the enemy bodies again in order to make sure the dead ones are really dead and the living ones don't become expensive, cumbersome POWs." It's specifically disallowed in the Geneva Convention but remains SOP in most combat units in the world.

First off, "double tap" does indeed refer to putting two rounds into the center-mass of a target in quick succession. The military now calls this a "controlled pair" because of the negative connotations surrounding "double tap". A "failure drill" is putting two in the chest, one in the head (in case your enemy is wearing armor).

Yes, most units in the world double tap all bodies while assaulting through the objective of a target, but that is NOT against the Geneva. However, the moment you PASS a body, putting two rounds in a live person becomes murder under Geneva.
 
2008-02-01 06:43:34 PM  
Outstanding. I am sure he will take his courts martial like a man and follow their recommendations. He can always get a used .45 if money is tight.

It's a shame he didn't kill that bastard.
 
2008-02-01 06:56:57 PM  
LocalCynic: colovion: Perhaps you can explain to everyone the value this criminal provides to society? A homeless burglar fugative? He is a CANCER on society, period.

I see your point. Criminals are cancer. And cancer kills people. We kill cancer, therefore, we should kill criminals. Somebody shoplifts a loaf of bread for his starving children? DEATH. Somebody breaks your car window? DEATH. Somebody punches another person in a bar fight? DEATH.

We should not stop with an eye for an eye. If somebody takes your eye, you should take theirs, then skullfark them, then have your liberty with them in whatever holes you like, then kill them. THAT would be a just society.


Can I stop by your house about 0330 for a visit at my discretion? Dont worry, I will let myself in.. :)
 
2008-02-01 07:10:06 PM  
Sadsaque:
Maybe the perp

factoryconnection:
cat leapt upon the keyboard. The homeowner in TFA made his intentions perfectly clear to the perp,

head-butt people with impunity knowing that he's a superhero.


You got me; drtfa. Should have said, "what if," not, "maybe."

Don't care-to rtfa -- I hear the story has a happy, pantscrap, fakecourtmartial, oldpowder, sugarysmile goodness -- Not a killed-kidnapper-in-own-house-with-his-gun, nightmares-for-years, ptsd-from-2combattoursin'nam, champus-won't-pay badness - like my buddy's story. Again: no property is worth having to live with having killed anyone, be it they asked for it or not. When Life is threatened, make it stop, however NECESSARY, not however Would Be COOL. (Running Away = Excellent Choice.)
Just to clarify: props to the former Green Beret & fu to his detractors. In country, you expect it. In your home, not so much. In country, you get to leave it all behind, if your lucky. At home, not so much. I imagine his first thought was to pick-up a noise-maker, which is the best use of your HD firearm.

/trained by NRA from birth, USMC & USN since 16
 
2008-02-01 07:19:26 PM  
fark-fig-newton: Outstanding. I am sure he will take his courts martial like a man and follow their recommendations. He can always get a used .45 if money is tight.

Remember that one time that the headline said "mock courtmartial?" :P

LocalCynic: You also left out the argument that homeowners have the right to rape burglars. The gunners deny it, but their belt buckle is already half undone by the time they finished reading my posts. They're much better than gun porn.

I like this guy. He's alright!
 
2008-02-01 07:22:40 PM  
Sadsaque: Don't care-to rtfa

Vet hears noise, grabs his "fishing gun" to check it out. Finds homeless burgler, whom he tells to go away. Burgler says "you'll have to kill me, I'm coming in"... so vet shoots him between the eyes.

Bullet bounces of skull, thief caught soon after. Vet's friends throw a mock courtmartial to make fun of this Green Beret weapons specialist using such a small gun, they decide he was smart by not using a big gun and accidentally killing someone other than the burgler.

Everyone has cake.
 
2008-02-01 07:29:25 PM  
LocalCynic:
skullfark them, then have your liberty with them in whatever holes you like,
AuCinaoaMie:
Can I stop by your house about 0330 for a visit


/likes skullseks?
//dnw//
 
2008-02-01 07:32:30 PM  
Emrick: Kevua: "It was just after Halloween, on Monday morning at 4:30," Taylor said. I heard this commotion at the door and grabbed my fishing gun, a little .22 revolver, to see what was going on. I got to the front door and this fellow had ripped my security door out of its frame. He said, 'you're going to have to kill me. I'm coming in.'"

Are there Barracuda in Tennessee? What do you do with a "fishing gun"?


snake gun. ie. to kill the cottonmouths in the lakes. EX southerner
 
2008-02-01 07:39:15 PM  
the whole "using a smaller calibur prevents the bullet from hitting an innocent bystander"-argument is bullshiat, what are the odds that the .45 you shoot will go through the walls in the house, through the brick or oak walls, through the neighbors oak and brick walls, through the neighbor's walls in the house, and just happen to hit them in a house 1000 times bigger than they are. And that's assuming they even hit a house, the bullet might just end up going through the roof, in the air and getting lost.
 
2008-02-01 07:57:59 PM  
xen0blue: the whole "using a smaller calibur prevents the bullet from hitting an innocent bystander"-argument is bullshiat, what are the odds that the .45 you shoot will go through the walls in the house, through the brick or oak walls, through the neighbors oak and brick walls, through the neighbor's walls in the house, and just happen to hit them in a house 1000 times bigger than they are. And that's assuming they even hit a house, the bullet might just end up going through the roof, in the air and getting lost.

Nobody is talking about people in other houses... they are talking about your children sleeping in the other room, which HAS HAPPENED.
 
2008-02-01 08:05:58 PM  
xen0blue: what are the odds that the .45 you shoot will go through the walls in the house, through the brick or oak walls, through the neighbors oak and brick walls, through the neighbor's walls in the house, and just happen to hit them in a house 1000 times bigger than they are. And that's assuming they even hit a house, the bullet might just end up going through the roof, in the air and getting lost.

Chances of going through the walls? Very good.

The unlikelihood of hitting someone innocent is still not worth the risk when it's so easy to avoid... don't shoot at intruders with rifles, and used hollowpoints in a handgun. Problem solved!
 
2008-02-01 08:15:40 PM  
The fact that the ammo was old may have been the reason it did not go in, sine he has resolved that by buying some new ammo, it is REALLY not a good idea to play on his lawn.

WHY the intruder got bail since he has no address is beyond me, it is not like it was a littering charge
 
2008-02-01 08:28:12 PM  
LocalCynic: That's because many gunners are afraid to say something that's not politically correct, even though their Glock-blackened hearts tell them so.

Your arrogance is overshadowed only by your dishonesty.
 
2008-02-01 08:29:22 PM  
Sadsaque: Dimensio: only a moron would suggest otherwise

Taken as a compliment.


What, you feel honoured that I pointed out that you clearly know nothing about proper firearms handling yet you gave out advice on firearms usage and, in so doing, demonstrated that you are an idiot?


//forgot to contradict my main point

I addressed every statement that you made, you liar.
 
2008-02-01 08:44:22 PM  
Good job for him. One question, where the Fark is the Hero tag?
 
2008-02-01 09:02:52 PM  
Yrael: Good job for him. One question, where the Fark is the Hero tag?

Hey look, it's another Fark tough guy who thinks that shooting someone makes you a hero. Defending yourself when you have nothing to lose and everything to gain isn't heroic; it's simply self-defense.
 
2008-02-01 09:12:26 PM  
shadowwake: I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Emrick: Are there Barracuda in Tennessee? What do you do with a "fishing gun"?

You make sure that nobody steals your expensive fishing gear.

I'm glad someone else caught that. Kind of makes you wonder what other types of guns this guy has...


You get some pretty damn good sized freshwater lake and/or river fish in plenty of places in the US. Big enough that a .22 is an entirely reasonable 'fishing gun'.
 
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