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(Some Guy)   Student is tagged as being a "computer hacker" and "potential threat" to the school system by school admistration. Crime: His personal proxy server was leaked and used by other students   ( robertafnani.com) divider line
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2008-02-01 04:11:41 AM  
getting a kick out of these replies seeing as i have full access at my school due to the "services" ive done for my school in the past.
But on a serious note, this kid shouldn't get the blame for this for the proxy, instead the head of the school or the asshat who made the filter (IT, School board, your pick) should take the full blame, and this kid should get compensation
/sorry not from US so don't know what the school blame list hierarchy is for when shiat hits the fan
 
2008-02-01 04:34:49 AM  
Back when i was in hs, we used to get a kick out of setting all the home pages to random church websites.

always amusing when the wackjob gay anti-christ kid would start using a pc and open up a jesus site.

/more amusing to accuse him of going to the site himself
//that kid was farked up
 
2008-02-01 04:37:33 AM  
henda: Few year ago back when i was in school, teacher stupidly left his account logged onto the school computer whilst he went out onto yard dutie. me seeing the perfect window to cause some mayhem on the school networks decides to go over and have a play with teachers account. all staff accounts in school had access to perform remote control over other computers logged on the network. i browsed the userlist of logged on accounts found the most innocent person i knew opened over 50 pages of porn on the internet and spammed his screen with messages from the "Staff member" whoms account i was on...
Within a couple of hours of doing so word got around that this had happened and teachers caught up with me. i was banned from the network and any in school computer facilities afterwards as i had apparently hacked the teachers account and got his password. lol yeah right teachers dont have a clue..


Dude, you abused the network rather egregiously. Plus, since 'hacking' just means gaining unauthorized access to an electronic account in the common parlance, it doesn't really matter wether you jack an unattended console left open or run a keylogger -- you've still accessed something you shouldn't have, or in your case abused the network.

Banning you was the entirely correct course of action. It's a grey area for the guy in the article, but in your case it's fairly black and white.

//What? You're going to arrest me for running around the store smashing things with a baseball bat? Clearly it's because they left the door unlocked and you think I'm a lock-picker....
 
2008-02-01 04:52:25 AM  
hung_waelo: Back when i was in hs, we used to get a kick out of setting all the home pages to random church websites.

always amusing when the wackjob gay anti-christ kid would start using a pc and open up a jesus site.

/more amusing to accuse him of going to the site himself
//that kid was farked up


I used to work at a computer lab, and people would always play pranks like that, like I'd come in at 8 a.m. and turn on the computers, and someone from the night before would have set some pornographic pic as the windows wallpaper. When you have kids coming in and out all day you just expect it to some degree.
 
2008-02-01 04:55:37 AM  
Die_ Ubermensch: mamoru:
I_Hate_Iowa: It's like the stories you read about them make you think they're ALL morans

As a teacher, I'm going to guestimate that 97.94% of them are morans. There are a few good ones here and there, but they are rare.

At this point, I'm pretty sure "asshat" is in the job description. That or "ignoramus."

I was once labelled a "hacker" and "threat" by my high school (pre- 9/11, thank Jeebus) for gaining access to the unlocked, administrator portion of the system.
How? I used their username and password.
Username: Admin
Password: ....Admin.

Dumbasses deserved to be hacked.

It is frightening how little some people know about computers.


I was labeled a "hacker" in fifth grade for accessing the account used by substitute teachers.
Username: Sub1
Password:
That's right. NO PASSWORD. Buncha idiots.
 
2008-02-01 05:01:00 AM  
Jim_Callahan: Plus, since 'hacking' just means gaining unauthorized access to an electronic account in the common parlance, it doesn't really matter wether you jack an unattended console left open or run a keylogger -- you've still accessed something you shouldn't have, or in your case abused the network.
It sounds like you should be a school administrator. Because you are retarded. Hacking means nothing like that. By using that term in that way, you have completely invalidated your opinion.
 
2008-02-01 05:06:50 AM  
Swordblade: Die_ Ubermensch: mamoru:
I_Hate_Iowa: It's like the stories you read about them make you think they're ALL morans

As a teacher, I'm going to guestimate that 97.94% of them are morans. There are a few good ones here and there, but they are rare.

At this point, I'm pretty sure "asshat" is in the job description. That or "ignoramus."

I was once labelled a "hacker" and "threat" by my high school (pre- 9/11, thank Jeebus) for gaining access to the unlocked, administrator portion of the system.
How? I used their username and password.
Username: Admin
Password: ....Admin.

Dumbasses deserved to be hacked.

It is frightening how little some people know about computers.

I was labeled a "hacker" in fifth grade for accessing the account used by substitute teachers.
Username: Sub1
Password:
That's right. NO PASSWORD. Buncha idiots.


I work at an internet provider and you would be shocked at how obvious people's passwords are. They'll pick the most obvious passwords that anybody who knows anything about them could guess. Hm an MSU fan with "Spartan" as his password, no one will ever guess that. Or they'll use their street name, or the type of car they drive I hate to be crass, but if you choose an obvious password because it's too much work for you to pick a difficult one, then you deserve to be hacked.
 
2008-02-01 05:29:28 AM  
insomniac8400: It sounds like you should be a school administrator. Because you are retarded. Hacking means nothing like that. By using that term in that way, you have completely invalidated your opinion.

He did finish with "in the common parlance", and in that respect, he's completely right.

I know that hacking is what I do for a living (software dev), and that cracking is naughty. Most non-techies don't
 
2008-02-01 05:48:38 AM  
Are the Boston police running this school?
 
2008-02-01 06:04:23 AM  
A lot of people on Fark are still bitter about high school. Get a life, losers.
 
2008-02-01 06:12:53 AM  
heh. my bs detector indicates this kid is full o shiat and deserved to get busted for "other things" he hasn't got caught for yet.
 
Iis
2008-02-01 06:14:43 AM  
I guess that having a competition on who could bring down your network with the fewest keystrokes might not go over well then. Oh how times have changed.
 
2008-02-01 06:17:51 AM  
In middle school (around '95,) I was permanently banned from using the computers in the library.

For cleaning the rollers on a mouse.
 
2008-02-01 06:21:21 AM  
ubertwit: heh. my bs detector indicates this kid is full o shiat and deserved to get busted for "other things" he hasn't got caught for yet.

No doubt, they always try to sound to sound like The Man is coming down on some innocent kid, but chances are the kid is a little punk and this was just the last straw.
 
2008-02-01 06:40:18 AM  
I was scolded to the point of crying for changing the beep to a quack.

\Go Generals!
 
2008-02-01 06:47:20 AM  
AbsolutTBomb: I was scolded to the point of crying for changing the beep to a quack.

\Go Generals!


The quack is pretty f***ing annoying, it's better to learn that at a young age.
 
2008-02-01 06:55:13 AM  
When I was in high school, we had to write the zeros and ones on the cave wall with a burnt stick.
 
2008-02-01 06:57:10 AM  
Starbuck28, lawl i used to do that.

When i was in cisco networking (a vocational class) we used to send people the "g unit virus". go to there computer when they were out of the room and change all the display settings to like way to big for the screen, everything the same color pink (text backgrounds etc) and turn the resolution to 480 so its impossible to see/do anything. then you set the click button sound to this .wav clip of 50 cent saying "g g g g gunit". save, turn computer off.

People hated getting that 'virus.'

IN a relatated story, i made a simple chat room program (i mean it ran on friggen mIRC code sockets lawl) and it let everyone in computer class logg on and talk and whatnot (we wernt allowed to talk in class). teachers never found out about it though.
 
2008-02-01 06:58:19 AM  
lajimi: Time to turn lemons into lemonade, YOU HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF LIBEL! Talk to a lawyer. You can profit big time from this, embarrass the school and it's administrators AND probably get retraining orders and sanctions to protect yourself from further abuse and retaliation.

Hey great idea! You might as well just cut the middle and sue the taxpayers directly, though.
 
2008-02-01 07:22:41 AM  
American students are using technology and thinking about stuff!!!

EVERYBODY PANIC!!!11!!

/OMG, won't somebody thing of the teachers?
 
2008-02-01 07:24:24 AM  
Just another example of schools/law enforcement/judges not understanding technology at all, and yet handing out punishments for infractions they know nothing about

Here's my little personal experience:

Started out at one college and learned a lot about how to use a unix system. We had to, it was part of classwork.

Transferred to another college where nobody used their unix network. Got myself a unix account from a sysadmin who knew NOTHING about computers. I got my account suspended for the following horrible infractions:

telnetting to another unix account - you know, because its a security risk.
changing my name in the finger info - how will we know who owns the account?
downloading and compiling a talk program - another security risk
telnetting to another unix acount again - still a security risk
looking through the system to see what was there - apparently I could have seen the system passwords as regular text, even though it was a shadowed salted password system.
another infraction, never went to find out what, just said "Fark It" and paid to get myself a commercial unix network account.

Idiots.
 
2008-02-01 07:30:22 AM  
I'm reading this over my private proxy and getting a kick out of these comments.
 
2008-02-01 08:10:21 AM  
ProdigalSigh: Nothing is more detrimental to computing and education than ignorant admins who think they know better than the IT staff.

This this this this this this this this THIS!
 
2008-02-01 08:13:36 AM  
Die_ Ubermensch: I was once labelled a "hacker" and "threat" by my high school

So was I. My offense? I showed people how to shell out of WordPerfect 5.1. (Hint: It was on the quick reference card along the row of function keys, so anyone who knew what a shell was could get one.)

/Ctrl-F1 FTW!
 
2008-02-01 08:22:54 AM  
I don't have a problem with the kid running the proxy on his own server on his own time. However, anybody who accessed it from school should be whacked. Students aren't at school to access myspace, facebook, youtube etc. They're there to learn. Find a student on one of those sites, punish them. Punish them severely. Punish enough of them and they'll learn the lesson to stay the heck off those sites during school hours.

/GBTS and stay off my lawn.
 
2008-02-01 08:25:20 AM  
I was a "hacker" as well because I used the command prompt in Windows to send out messages to other users... A couple of people started doing this, and a few days later the rule was anytime anyone had the prompt open, they lost computer privileges for the remainder of the semester.

I also made a simple webpage in 8th grade... so back in about '99. It was a simple vote, to pick which male members of the show you thought were teh ghey. The biatch administrator made me take it down and I had a day of Saturday school for it.
 
2008-02-01 08:26:29 AM  
He told you he was hardcore.
 
2008-02-01 08:30:47 AM  
ZachF81:

The biatch administrator made me take it down and I had a day of Saturday school for it.


www.movieactors.com
 
2008-02-01 08:43:22 AM  
OMG L33T HAX!!!11!

farkin noob as Teachers/Administrators!
 
2008-02-01 08:48:33 AM  
Fairfax needs it's own police state tag.
 
2008-02-01 08:53:26 AM  
I work for a K-12 ISD, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Wow, that felt good actually being able to say that.

Anyway, we used to have problems with kids "doing things that they weren't supposed to be doing," then we got Vision (new window). Now the rascals stay in line 'cause OMGBIGBROTHERSWATCHING!!!1!one
 
2008-02-01 08:54:10 AM  
If Fark had been around when I was in High School (class of '96) and my school had blocked access to it, I would DEFINITELY have learned the ins and outs of hacking and cracking.

If Fark had been around when I was in high school (class of '86)
and my school had blocked access to it, I would DEINITELY have
learned how to, oh, wait, we had typewriters.
 
2008-02-01 08:55:20 AM  
Just came in to say that was an amazingly well written article for a high school student. Better than many stories you see on the "news" sites. It's refreshing to see someone of that age who can actually communicate effectively.

/They have "Philosophy" in schools now?
 
2008-02-01 09:02:12 AM  
smedrick: Hey great idea! You might as well just cut the middle and sue the taxpayers directly, though.

Well, it would be a stretch but.... maybe. (sarcasm off) Entrust imbeciles with responsible positions funded with tax dollars be ready to pay. Should a person who has been libeled just say "Oh well, it's the taxpayers money so I'll just roll over and play dead. This administrator can screw up my whole life because he works for the school".....NO! Make the school district AND the administrator PERSONNALY pay. The voters can decide if the school board should be held accountable in the next election.

/School administrators are public trustees, they SHOULD be held accountable
 
2008-02-01 09:11:00 AM  
philwz: Wow, the knowledge requirement to be a "hacker" goes down every year.

And, there it is....

/wrote my first software on a System/360
//when they were new
 
2008-02-01 09:16:54 AM  
Back when I was in High School, I was also accused of "Hacking the school network", suspended for 3 days, and no longer allowed to access a school computer unsupervised.

My crime: I discovered a plain-text file on the root directory of a publicly accessible network share called "Passwords.txt" which lo and behold, contained all of the usernames and passwords for everyone on the network.

When I pointed out that this file shouldn't even exist, let alone be on a networked computer, and even worse in a public share, I was told that the only way I would have gotten that file was to "Hack" the network by going places I shouldn't have gone.

I guess I wasn't aware that clicking My Computer --> V: consisted of hacking, but the administration quickly educated me.
 
2008-02-01 09:17:04 AM  
Unfortunately, FCPS controls all aspects of your life, on or off campus while you're enrolled. Basically anything you do or say while off campus can be used against you by the administrators and believe me, they love to harass students.

/went to West Springfield High in Fairfax County
//will die before going back
 
2008-02-01 09:19:02 AM  
While I do not agree with what happened.

School does attempt to prepare you for the real world. And if you start attempting to bypass the security system at work you WILL get shiat-canned.

Thankfully I am on the IT team.

/evil grin
 
2008-02-01 09:26:34 AM  
No Such Agency: (This is mostly why I used to hate on Furries, until Fark's resident ones convinced me it wasn't their fault)

Of course it's their fault. Why else would cartoons of anthropomorphic animals with huge spunking cocks be on the internet? I sure as hell didn't put them on there.
 
2008-02-01 09:29:23 AM  
Jesus. Talk about an over-reaction: "Hey, let's threaten this one kid, even though we have no control over his perfectly legal means of making money, rather than controlling what we can and blocking his IP from school"

And kid, put your proxy back up, but set up your htaccess file to deny anyone from the school. Assuming you feel like running a proxy site anymore.
 
2008-02-01 09:44:39 AM  
When I was in grade 10, the school's computers were old IBM PCs that didn't even have Windows. Then, the next year, they changed them all to new computers with Windows 3.0. I'd used an Apple IIe for a long time, so I could program in Basic. When we were programming in Pascal, which is quite similar to Basic, my teacher would always ask me questions about how to do something. She wasn't very proficient at programming. But when my high school had evening classes for adults to take classes on MS Works, my mom took the class. My class was also studying MS Works, but I found it incredibly easy. My mom had a question for my teacher, and she couldn't even answer it. She just told my mom to ask me, because I'd probably know. It was pretty interesting being a student in a computer class and knowing more than the teacher. I could have taught the teacher computers.

But no internet in the school at the time (1992-95).
 
2008-02-01 10:01:58 AM  
mjhughes: The district, meanwhile blamed anybody they could..., including, from my understanding, mildly retarded students for the trouble, (heaven forbid it's the sysadmin's mistake for not changing default Cisco telnet passwords or for disabling WAN access to telnet/ssh ports"

Christ on a bike! Anyway, you don't need to disable WAN access to the ssh/telnet console session, you have to activly enable it to work. You would also have to tell it what IP's you will allow access from, so the idiot who set it up originally deliberatly enabled WAN telnet/ssh access to the entire world.
 
2008-02-01 10:03:33 AM  
www.hollywoodjesus.com

Libel?
 
2008-02-01 10:15:11 AM  
CHacker: FCPS information systems are operated for the mutual benefit of all users. The use of the FCPS network is a privilege, not a right. Users should not do, or attempt to do, anything that might disrupt the operation of the network or equipment and/or interfere with the learning of other students or work of other FCPS employees. The FCPS network is connected to the Internet, a network of networks, which enables people to interact with millions of networks and computers. All access to the FCPS network shall be preapproved by the principal or program manager. The school or office may restrict or terminate any user's access, without prior notice, if such action is deemed necessary to maintain computing availability and security for other users of the systems. Other disciplinary action may be imposed as stated in the Fairfax County Public Schools Student Responsibilities and Rights (SR&R) document. FCPS implements Internet filtering on all FCPS sites in accordance with the federal Children's Internet Protection Act. Schools will continually educate students on personal safety practices and effective techniques for identifying and evaluating information and its sources.

and

• Help maintain the integrity of the school information system. Deliberate tampering or experimentation is not allowed; this includes the use of FCPS network and resources to illicitly access, tamper with, or experiment with systems outside FCPS.

From the site of the school in question, pages 39 and 40 (pops, pdf). Note the bold.

Sorry kid, other then being a whiny little shiat who doesn't seem to understand English you got nothing. They can and did take away your access to the computers. You did break the internet use policy. Suck it princess.


I stopped reading right here. As a school IT Admin, I'm really getting a kick out of these replies. No really, I am. Why?

Because EVERY Student, Teacher, and Staff member signs the above said document (Called an AUP here) stating that you won't do any douchebaggery on our network. What this kid did falls under that.

These sites are blocked for a reason. Some sites shouldn't be blocked, however, with the software out there, and the sheer amount of shiat on the internet, it's impossible for harmless things to not get thrown in the blocked catagory. Just yesterday I had to take some kid's access away because he was viewing a porn site in class while there was a sub. How did he get to it? Through a proxy.

You go to school to learn. Not surf porn or play games. Get it through your thick, simple minded skulls.

/wants his stapler back
 
2008-02-01 10:19:20 AM  
Surprised they didn't call in the terrorist hacker response team
img375.imageshack.us
 
2008-02-01 10:23:43 AM  
I hacked up a huge ball of phlegm in HS, no network to get into, only had 3 computers in the entire school.. class of '87

Actually, sleep was what I did best in most classes.
 
2008-02-01 10:25:07 AM  
hamachan: It was pretty interesting being a student in a computer class and knowing more than the teacher.

In my 11th grade computer class, the teacher let the other students copy off of my final exam so they wouldn't fail. That was in 1991. That's what they get for having a typing teacher also teach computer classes.
 
2008-02-01 10:27:08 AM  
ProdigalSigh: I actually work IT for a school district... kick, replies etcetera etcetera...

I'm not in charge of the content filter, but we do have to block proxies like this all the time, we just add them to our blacklist and move on, it's not worth tracking down the students. This sounds more like a case of the admin/principal wigging out and getting all panicky, if that's the case all the kid has to do is threaten a lawsuit and the school will panic in the other direction and leave him alone.

Nothing is more detrimental to computing and education than ignorant admins who think they know better than the IT staff.


That's what it sounds like to me as well. Personally, I chalk it up to kids being kids and just send an email to the person handling the blocker, and the proxy gets blocked. However, there could be more to this story as well. The kid could have been skating on thin ice from the start, and this was just what the administration needed to remove his access.
 
2008-02-01 10:40:00 AM  
Back in high school they had the systems locked down so tight that the only thing you could do was access two or three programs from the desktop. No start menu, drive access, task manager, or internet... nothing.

Getting onto the internet was easy though. All you had to do was open MS Word and create a link, which opened the "inaccessible" IE.

Such a joke
 
2008-02-01 10:50:29 AM  
RamblingKey: While I'd like to be on this kid's side, what he did was illegal, not just against school policy.

No it isn't. It's not illegal in the slightest. Tell me exactly what law the kid has broken by setting up a proxy on a server that he obviously owns?
 
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