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2008-01-31 11:10:36 PM  
God I hate stories about school administrators. It's like the stories you read about them make you think they're ALL morans, not just the morans you read about.

These administrators? Morans.
 
2008-01-31 11:25:05 PM  
Worst part is that now I'm tagged as being a 'computer hacker' and a 'potential threat' to the school system. A mass email was sent out from the administrator who accused me of this to all the teachers, administrators, librarians, etc in the entire school, which basically says I'm a criminal and I need to be watched when getting within a 10-foot radius of a computer.

Time to turn lemons into lemonade, YOU HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF LIBEL! Talk to a lawyer. You can profit big time from this, embarrass the school and it's administrators AND probably get retraining orders and sanctions to protect yourself from further abuse and retaliation.
 
2008-01-31 11:40:53 PM  
lajimi: Time to turn lemons into lemonade, YOU HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF LIBEL! Talk to a lawyer. You can profit big time from this, embarrass the school and it's administrators AND probably get retraining orders and sanctions to protect yourself from further abuse and retaliation.

This is pretty much what I wanted to say. This kid needs to turn the tables on the power-hungry control freaks.

I_Hate_Iowa: It's like the stories you read about them make you think they're ALL morans

As a teacher, I'm going to guestimate that 97.94% of them are morans. There are a few good ones here and there, but they are rare.
 
2008-01-31 11:45:49 PM  
my high school had something like that going on. it was a boarding school so we had computers in our room and hooked to the schools network. anyway windows xp came out and i snatched up an oem copy the first week it came out. i loaded it on my computer and began putsing around. well i found that our schools old ass network didnt know how to communicate to xp. so anyway being the law bidding citizen i was in my years as a minor, i made copies of the disk and gave it out to a bunch of guys in my dorm. anyway one of them figured out how to get it on the network.... and then when he was on the other side of campus in a class with 20 witnesses he apparently hacked the school network. luckily that big ass xp security flaw was found and he got off with an in school suspension and not being allowed to touch the network for a month or so.... so that was part one....

here comes part two. they had to replace the hacked network servers. so the ones they put in had security features i dont think the cia would use. anyway the thing that really pissed us off was the inability to use file sharing programs (remember this was when i was a law abiding minor). anyway i found this lovely program called http tunnel, and for a time all was peaceful in the land and the jocks broke bread with nerds and the headmaster stopped being a dick for 5 seconds.... then everyone else started using it. and then the shiat hit the fan. they tracked it back to me. luckily i had been forewarned of there plans to interrogate me and search my computer.... so i did something very sneaky. I took the hard drive out of my computer.... put it in a static bag.... put that in a ziploc bag.... walked out into the woods.... dug a hole.... and buried....

it was there for 3 or 4 days before it blew over and i went "datamining"... and that hard drive is still in one of my computers to this day.... with http tunneler installed on it.


ahh highschool.. it was awesome.
 
2008-02-01 12:12:40 AM  
"omg they figurd out how to do myspace and facebook! arrest them!"
 
2008-02-01 12:14:43 AM  
I had similar bullsh*t happen to me in high school.

I made a website (a crappy geocities site). I made the site IN MY OWN HOME -- but someone accessed the site at school, and I got in trouble for it. The content of the site was slightly questionable, but it's kind of ridiculous for getting in trouble over something you did at home.
 
2008-02-01 12:15:15 AM  
You know what, dude? You're responsible for the shiat on your network. If you run a 100% WiFi A.P. and someone sends a threatening letter to the president, don't go crying to me about it. It's sad that it has to be like this, but that's how it is in the eyes of society.
 
2008-02-01 12:15:28 AM  
Yraen: "omg they figurd out how to do myspace and facebook! arrest them!"

I'll just find some other way to abduct them.
 
2008-02-01 12:15:58 AM  
kid should sue for libel.
 
2008-02-01 12:16:14 AM  
Anyways, just a few weeks ago, I made a new proxy. A private proxy, nothing of commercial value, but one that I, along with a small group of friends, would personally use.

How dare they complain about a personal proxy like that! I'm also shocked that high school kids would tell each other about something like this.

What a whiny little baby.
 
2008-02-01 12:16:41 AM  
Government Schools(Boortz term) are just asinine!img1.fark.net
 
2008-02-01 12:18:45 AM  
oh, joy! another school run by chimps

/no offense to the noble chimp intended
 
2008-02-01 12:19:26 AM  
I don't even know what a personal proxy server is, so I ain't getting no kick out of this

/but I get a kick out of you
 
2008-02-01 12:23:39 AM  
Wow, those administrators are some real winners there...
 
2008-02-01 12:24:23 AM  
For some reason I can't access Fark at my school (No idea why :) ) but that is the only reason why I would use a proxy server.

/Smartfilter blocks some weird stuff i.e. Wikipedia.com, but not Wikipedia.org
 
2008-02-01 12:25:24 AM  
lajimi

Time to turn lemons into lemonade, YOU HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF LIBEL! Talk to a lawyer. You can profit big time from this, embarrass the school and it's administrators AND probably get retraining orders and sanctions to protect yourself from further abuse and retaliation.

Got that right. The part that stood out to me was the part where the school admins refused to actually point out what rule the kid specifically broke. That means they're just nervous around kids proficient in technology, and they're looking for some BS reason to keep him away from their computers. Idiots. They somehow don't realize that any hacker worth his salt could shut down a school network from his own computer at home.
 
2008-02-01 12:26:59 AM  
Hear that?

It's the sound of socialized education in the US (along with all the grumpy, useless, malcontent faculty) fizzling away.

Jerome, Toniesha, Brent, and Brittany don't want to study, and exhibit no intellectual curiosity? We'd better take a page from the Russian and Japanese schools.
 
2008-02-01 12:27:25 AM  
I've brought it up before, and I'll bring it up again: I have once been let go from a tech position at a school I worked at, because I was "too smart".

There is a severe fear of children outsmarting adults on computers. Heaven forbid the kid does something that the administration doesn't understand, and refuses to have rationally explained.

/It's a series of tubes!!!!!!
 
2008-02-01 12:29:58 AM  
TheFatManCometh: I don't even know what a personal proxy server is, so I ain't getting no kick out of this

/but I get a kick out of you


A proxy server is a way of getting around sites that are blocked in your school or business, such as this one.

This site uses a great pizza delivery analogy to help you understand the basic idea.


/pops
 
2008-02-01 12:34:54 AM  
madden101: At his old moo (pops) or whatever he called it, he links to his HS's website (and again) and says "you know who to call/email." I wonder how easy it is to crash and/or hack them.

Great, you're doing this kid a lot of favors with that.

Still, running a public proxy like that is just asking for trouble and not necessarily from the school. This is the least of the bad shiat that could have happened to him.
 
2008-02-01 12:36:20 AM  
Jebus, I played CIV2MPGE over the lines used to connectnooclear missile launch sites. Whats the BFD?
 
2008-02-01 12:37:12 AM  
You ask me, the kid sounds like a brat. An intelligent, well-worded brat, but still a brat.

/Still, it couldn't hurt for the school administrators to learn about how a proxy works.
//Or not drag him out of class in the middle of a final.
 
2008-02-01 12:37:39 AM  
The internet blocking at our district is absolutely ridiculous. It used to be pretty tame, blocking MySpace, e-mail, porn, games and the like. Then it began blocking individual images and search terms. Over winter break it blocked Google Images (and later all image searches) entirely, reportedly because some administrator-type was able to find "disturbing" images. It's like they don't know how the farking internet works.


/DNRTFA
 
2008-02-01 12:38:08 AM  
mamoru:
I_Hate_Iowa: It's like the stories you read about them make you think they're ALL morans

As a teacher, I'm going to guestimate that 97.94% of them are morans. There are a few good ones here and there, but they are rare.


At this point, I'm pretty sure "asshat" is in the job description. That or "ignoramus."

I was once labelled a "hacker" and "threat" by my high school (pre- 9/11, thank Jeebus) for gaining access to the unlocked, administrator portion of the system.
How? I used their username and password.
Username: Admin
Password: ....Admin.

Dumbasses deserved to be hacked.

It is frightening how little some people know about computers.
 
2008-02-01 12:39:24 AM  
I was labeled as a computer criminal in high school too. In my journalism class we used mac os 9 and I took a screenshot of the screen, made it the desktop background, hid the dock, and drug all the icons around so there was one "real" version of the icon and one unclickable one. I rofled and pranked someone, then put it all back because I knew the yearbook twits would be utterly confused.

Someone decided to switch it back, so the yearbook twits had a fit. From that point on, that teacher would blame me anytime anything happened to the computer - anything.

Out of all the terrible illegal things I did with computers in high school, I get caught doing THAT.
 
2008-02-01 12:42:32 AM  
Speaking of proxy's

does anyone know of any that allow pandora to work in canada?
 
2008-02-01 12:45:09 AM  
Yogimus: Jebus, I played CIV2MPGE over the lines used to connectnooclear missile launch sites. Whats the BFD?

I don't know if you're trolling, or just my new hero.

Wanna be careful about nuking Russia in-game, though, I guess.

/lol, I'm so funny
 
2008-02-01 12:47:32 AM  
bofferbings:
The internet blocking at our district is absolutely ridiculous. It used to be pretty tame, blocking MySpace, e-mail, porn, games and the like. Then it began blocking individual images and search terms. Over winter break it blocked Google Images (and later all image searches) entirely, reportedly because some administrator-type was able to find "disturbing" images. It's like they don't know how the farking internet works.

To be fair, a Google image search for almost anything usually displays "Furry" porn on the first page of results. Try explaining that to a puzzled older relative who just wanted to see pics of Scotland.

(This is mostly why I used to hate on Furries, until Fark's resident ones convinced me it wasn't their fault)
 
2008-02-01 12:52:54 AM  
LOL from the high schools website:

Students have been provided with a cist of courses and a slection sheet.

Thank god i didnt attend that hs!!!
 
2008-02-01 12:53:06 AM  
Heh, I've been called a hacker and suspended (for 3 days )from school too... and I don't even know the basics of hacking. All I did was temporarily disable the internet filter on the computer I was using, going through an open directory tree up to the net-admin computer (That's really how simple it was, just browsed Network Neighborhood).

My goal was to access fark, strangely enough.
 
2008-02-01 12:54:16 AM  
Few year ago back when i was in school, teacher stupidly left his account logged onto the school computer whilst he went out onto yard dutie. me seeing the perfect window to cause some mayhem on the school networks decides to go over and have a play with teachers account. all staff accounts in school had access to perform remote control over other computers logged on the network. i browsed the userlist of logged on accounts found the most innocent person i knew opened over 50 pages of porn on the internet and spammed his screen with messages from the "Staff member" whoms account i was on...
Within a couple of hours of doing so word got around that this had happened and teachers caught up with me. i was banned from the network and any in school computer facilities afterwards as i had apparently hacked the teachers account and got his password. lol yeah right teachers dont have a clue..
 
2008-02-01 12:55:11 AM  
Starbuck28: Out of all the terrible illegal things I did with computers in high school, I get caught doing THAT.

I used to get into trouble for using a little program called DisEase to break out of AtEase and into the finder on the System 7.1 Macs in our computer lab at school (I farking HATED AtEase with a passion). Funny how I never got in trouble for installing keyloggers to grab people's AppleTalk passwords...

Guess they never caught on, even though I'd blabbed...
 
2008-02-01 12:55:56 AM  
bofferbings: The internet blocking at our district is absolutely ridiculous. It used to be pretty tame, blocking MySpace, e-mail, porn, games and the like. Then it began blocking individual images and search terms. Over winter break it blocked Google Images (and later all image searches) entirely, reportedly because some administrator-type was able to find "disturbing" images. It's like they don't know how the farking internet works.

Dude, get used to it. My company blocks Google Calendar. Because I might spend all day checking when my doctors appointment next week is.

/Oddly enough they don't block fark. Guess I'm lucky on that one.
 
2008-02-01 12:56:58 AM  
Sandwyrm: My goal was to access fark, strangely enough.

If Fark had been around when I was in High School (class of '96) and my school had blocked access to it, I would DEFINITELY have learned the ins and outs of hacking and cracking.

Curses! I probably could be making a lot of money running illegal botnets now if that had been the case.
 
2008-02-01 12:58:04 AM  
FCPS information systems are operated for the mutual benefit of all users. The use of the FCPS network is a privilege, not a right. Users should not do, or attempt to do, anything that might disrupt the operation of the network or equipment and/or interfere with the learning of other students or work of other FCPS employees. The FCPS network is connected to the Internet, a network of networks, which enables people to interact with millions of networks and computers. All access to the FCPS network shall be preapproved by the principal or program manager. The school or office may restrict or terminate any user's access, without prior notice, if such action is deemed necessary to maintain computing availability and security for other users of the systems. Other disciplinary action may be imposed as stated in the Fairfax County Public Schools Student Responsibilities and Rights (SR&R) document. FCPS implements Internet filtering on all FCPS sites in accordance with the federal Children's Internet Protection Act. Schools will continually educate students on personal safety practices and effective techniques for identifying and evaluating information and its sources.

and

• Help maintain the integrity of the school information system. Deliberate tampering or experimentation is not allowed; this includes the use of FCPS network and resources to illicitly access, tamper with, or experiment with systems outside FCPS.

From the site of the school in question, pages 39 and 40 (pops, pdf). Note the bold.

Sorry kid, other then being a whiny little shiat who doesn't seem to understand English you got nothing. They can and did take away your access to the computers. You did break the internet use policy. Suck it princess.
 
2008-02-01 12:58:54 AM  
tyguy101aa: my high school ...

It didn't have a great English program, did it?

/Just sayin'
 
2008-02-01 12:59:28 AM  
Ah yes, school.
I remember when they were teaching web design class (which was a joke) they decided to give all the kids in the class personal ftp space on the linux box that also hosted the district's e-mail. It was running some ancient copy of debian.
Morans weren't that smart, and created all user accounts with a bash shell.
I telnet into the thing, and was astounded that all the accounts were unshadowed (/etc/passwd contained username/password hashes). Ran that farker through john the ripper and got the root pw and at least 50 accounts on the box that also had shell and e-mail access within seconds. It was fun reading all their e-mail. High school, good times, good times. Instead of going all columbine, I decided if they ever pissed me off enough i'd just shut down their network. But, I decided graduating was more important.
 
2008-02-01 01:01:28 AM  
Anagrammer: This site uses a great pizza delivery analogy to help you understand the basic idea.

I look forward to seeing how he extends the pizza analogy to explain Tor (The Onion Router) anonymizers.
 
2008-02-01 01:02:20 AM  
CHacker: Sorry kid, other then being a whiny little shiat who doesn't seem to understand English you got nothing. They can and did take away your access to the computers. You did break the internet use policy.

Actually, he did not use the FCPS network for any of the stuff he was accused of. He did it from home, in his spare time. They even had access logs for the year which proved it. So none of those clauses apply to him (although they do to the other students that abused his proxy).

You fail at comprehension, princess.

/ehehe, "princess"...
 
2008-02-01 01:05:28 AM  
This child is a terrorist. Charge him under the PATRIOT Act and waterboard him in 'Gitmo
 
2008-02-01 01:08:43 AM  
Cosmic Crab: Anagrammer: This site uses a great pizza delivery analogy to help you understand the basic idea.

I look forward to seeing how he extends the pizza analogy to explain Tor (The Onion Router) anonymizers.


With Tor, the pizza delivery is done via a dead-drop into a safety deposit box and paid for with bear teeth.
 
2008-02-01 01:09:52 AM  
detritus: In my high school they didn't just get the principals password they sent emails from his account. The school also didn't apparently care much (aka: understaffed IT was too busy with other things) as they didn't even suspend one kid they caught cracking the password list. Heck at least two kids copied the main student database complete with personal information (and classes, etc.). Only thing no sane kid touched was the grading system, one tried and got suspended but he was far from sane.

They once forgot to re-enable quatas after some upgrade or other. I was running an anime http server off the T1 and a couple weeks later the file server ground to a halt from everyone else abusing it. There were probably 50 copies of Quake 2 on that thing by then.
 
2008-02-01 01:10:07 AM  
mamoru: lajimi: Time to turn lemons into lemonade, YOU HAVE BEEN THE VICTIM OF LIBEL! Talk to a lawyer. You can profit big time from this, embarrass the school and it's administrators AND probably get retraining orders and sanctions to protect yourself from further abuse and retaliation.

This is pretty much what I wanted to say. This kid needs to turn the tables on the power-hungry control freaks.

I_Hate_Iowa: It's like the stories you read about them make you think they're ALL morans

As a teacher, I'm going to guestimate that 97.94% of them are morans. There are a few good ones here and there, but they are rare.


anyone who uses the word "guestimate" is a moran.
 
2008-02-01 01:10:41 AM  
terminal velocity: This child is a terrorist. Charge him under the PATRIOT Act and waterboard him in 'Gitmo

I was just thinking the same thing.

No, I really wasn't.

Charge'em with libel, kid. Then go to a good school when you graduate. Out of court settlements are your friend.
 
2008-02-01 01:19:37 AM  
CHacker: Sorry kid, other then being a whiny little shiat who doesn't seem to understand English you got nothing. They can and did take away your access to the computers. You did break the internet use policy. Suck it princess.

Did everyone who accessed the proxy get the same punishment? Based on the wording of that policy, they should have. It looks to me like him setting up a proxy is not a crime, but accessing it from school is. He wasn't the only one who accessed the proxy, but he was the only one severely punished, because he set it up.

That is the issue here.
 
2008-02-01 01:19:54 AM  
So why exactly is it a major Crime Against Humanity for an individual to hack something or someone, but if a Corporation decides to infest my computer with spyware, I'm supposed to just bend over and take it? You NEVER hear about a company CEO getting frogwalked to jail for unauthorized access.
 
2008-02-01 01:21:57 AM  
I was a tard when it came to hacking. At my HS, we used Triumph the Insult Comic Dog's "poop on a site" to a view blocked page.
 
2008-02-01 01:23:54 AM  
CHacker: FCPS information systems are operated for the mutual benefit of all users. The use of the FCPS network is a privilege, not a right. Users should not do, or attempt to do, anything that might disrupt the operation of the network or equipment and/or interfere with the learning of other students or work of other FCPS employees. The FCPS network is connected to the Internet, a network of networks, which enables people to interact with millions of networks and computers. All access to the FCPS network shall be preapproved by the principal or program manager. The school or office may restrict or terminate any user's access, without prior notice, if such action is deemed necessary to maintain computing availability and security for other users of the systems. Other disciplinary action may be imposed as stated in the Fairfax County Public Schools Student Responsibilities and Rights (SR&R) document. FCPS implements Internet filtering on all FCPS sites in accordance with the federal Children's Internet Protection Act. Schools will continually educate students on personal safety practices and effective techniques for identifying and evaluating information and its sources.

and

• Help maintain the integrity of the school information system. Deliberate tampering or experimentation is not allowed; this includes the use of FCPS network and resources to illicitly access, tamper with, or experiment with systems outside FCPS.

From the site of the school in question, pages 39 and 40 (pops, pdf). Note the bold.

Sorry kid, other then being a whiny little shiat who doesn't seem to understand English you got nothing. They can and did take away your access to the computers. You did break the internet use policy. Suck it princess.


...wow. I am glad high school is more than the better part of a decade behind me, because if those are the rules they're using now...

As far as I'm concerned, it's not a matter of the kid's ability to read English so much as it is a matter of a draconian policy violating his rights to legally use the Internet as he pleases outside of school.

I'm no legal scholar, but it seems to me that you're absolutely right--he violated the VERY BROAD terms of the school district's policy. What's frightening is that the policy exists.

Proxy servers aren't some sort of unstoppable magic interweb box. The school could have solved its security problem by blocking the proxy. Instead, they chose to threaten the student with suspension and force him to shut the proxy down himself, which strikes me as overkill.

As worded, the policy is a blank check for the district to police its students' Internet usage outside of school. Write nasty things on MySpace? Well, shiat, son: you're potentially interfering with the learning of students! Your ass is toast! The potential interpretations are almost endless.

I also find the threat of suspension sort of suspect, since the consequences delineated in that policy are limited to termination of network access. Suspension is a whole different ballgame, although school administrators generally have endless latitude in that area, so I can't comment very much.

I see this blog post coming back to bite this poor kid in the ass, given the broad nature of the district's network use policies. I don't think this is over by a long shot...
 
2008-02-01 01:24:02 AM  
Ahh yes high school. That was where I enjoyed playing one of my favorite games. Who can take down the network the fastest! My favorite strategy was to open everything on everything at once. Ahh yes, root permissions for everyone was fun.

/Always won
 
2008-02-01 01:26:21 AM  
Oh, and I was once interrogated on suspicion of being a hacker for the unspeakable crime of receiving an e-mail from the friggin' librarian, so I am a little biased on this.

/Yes, really. The fact that I was capable of using WordPerfect was corroborating evidence in the investigation.
//Sigh. Otherwise, I mostly liked my high school...
 
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