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2008-01-31 07:01:24 PM
2008-01-31 07:14:01 PM  
Montel is the man! All good and accurate points of why the country is going down the tubes. The talking heads were swallowing their tongues that he was going off script.
2008-01-31 07:44:53 PM  
Monkeytoes: Good for Montel!

He might be sensantionalistic at times, but he does always stand up for the military and kids

On a side note - Canadian media reports on the names of all soldiers killed in Afghanistan. They also run follow-up reports when the bodies are returned home and when the funerals take place.

Friend of mine in Toronto says its been less than 100 killed. He thought 70 sounded right. Nightly news can't do it, but it would be great if CNN or Fox would dedicate some time to it. It should also include the good they're doing.

The US has had 3,000 in Iraq. A very sad number

Still, only 1/10th of Korea.
2008-01-31 07:52:06 PM  
Montel makes a good point, who the F* cares about Heath.
2008-01-31 07:53:23 PM  
YES! If you want celebrity news, read a tabloid.
2008-01-31 07:54:04 PM  
keithgabryelski: Good job, Montel.

/don't feel sorry for heath ledger
//feel sorry for his kid he left behind
///feel sorry about the tragedies of this war

Yes, I mean, c'mon.. he was a good actor and all, but HE COMMITED SUICIDE. There is NOTHING heroic about that, NOTHING to feel sympathy about. He died of an overdose at young age, like so many celebrities in the past. What do I feel for them? Anger, for wasting their life stupidly.

And well farking done, Montel
2008-01-31 07:54:13 PM  
Like many others after watching this my respect for MW went up quite a bit. I'd love to see more of this and less "Your not the Father" from him.
2008-01-31 08:04:32 PM  
EoJ: Vietnam? you guys wanna compare network news coverage in Vietnam to information available today about Iraq, or anything else?

Yes, we do want to compare the two. Back then the networks actually had real news divisions with real investigative journalists nowadays a lot of wot passes for news is expensive haircuts reading blurbs from peep-hole magazine and ads disguised as news. Not to mention the fact that almost all the major networks news divisions have been trimmed down to nothing and a lot of the work in the field outsourced to foreign agencies. The 24 hour network news are a very thin soup indeed with the exception of FOX who are out and out propagandists, a conduit for the pentagon and especially the GOP.

The blood and destruction shown on TV then numbed people to the war, people stopped watching it. The coverage still didn't give names of everyone killed. If you want statistics about what happens in Iraq, just spend some time searching the web.

People didn't get numbed people got mad and then they got active and then they collectively worked together to try and bring the war to a close. They learned the lesson of Vietnam that the current Chickenhawk in Chief never did. The fact that you can't win out against a committed insurgency. You can decimate the population, drop tons of bombs, you can win every battle and ultimately lose the war. If America hadn't gotten out of Vietman America would still be there and still would not have won. See: Palestine.

Iraq Coalition Casualties by State and City (new window)

Dry stats on a web page do not have the immediacy nor the humanity of the footage out of Vietnam in the sixties and seventies.

My point was, Montel was being an ass looking for attention. Did his rant do one thing to help anybody but himself?

They brought attention to why FOX is an entertainment and disinformation outlet rather than a real news source. That's kinda important especially considering how dim-witted the average FOX watcher is.

Go check the Vietnam era media and see what coverage celebrity deaths got then as well.

Check all day and night you will find that the tabloidisation of American news is a recent phenomenon.

Nice chat.
2008-01-31 08:15:25 PM  
montel. wow, you impressed me for the first time ever with this clip.

you da man.
2008-01-31 08:48:39 PM  
can i be you when i grow up: He was there to promote a book, so he was probably not getting paid. They turned the interview away from his book and into commentary about Heath Ledger.

And Im sure he would have stormed off if they would have brought up his threatening to kill people too.

He was an entertainment guy so why does he feel the need to be political now? His show was never political, ever so now he wants to be that way? I smell publicity whore.

Hey montell your show sucked, your book is going to suck, and you are a farking hypocrite so step in front of a bus.
2008-01-31 09:02:41 PM  
He was obviously already fired at this point and had taken off his dollar bill blinders.
2008-01-31 09:19:45 PM  
as of the end of january, the number has risen to 39 confirmed KIA.

The latest happened today. 2 soldiers KIA from hostile action. 1 from small arms fire, 1 from IED. The last confirmed and released fatality is SGT. James Craig from my town of Hollywood, CA. He died monday.

If we could take a break from the live streaming updates on britneys mental health or the next big sale at wal-mart to honor our fallen dead, then it would be a step in the right direction.

Volunteers or not, these soldiers are an extension of us, representing the best of humanity in the worst realm of humanity, and paying for it with thier lives. I bet your father or grandfather who was in WW2 could tell you the names of each of the friends he lost. Or your uncle who served in vietnam.. but nowadays, none of us even take the time to listen, let alone care.

Normally you'll only hear of a fallen soldier when they've done something inspiring and heroic, while most reports of IED casualties get about as much attention as a temperature reading and have the somberness of the segment where the local baker befriends a mouse.. It sickens me on a personal level.

A soldiers death shouldn't only be relevant when the DOD letter gets delivered to your door.

/R.I.P. Sgt. Craig
2008-01-31 09:46:00 PM  
/R.I.P. Sgt. Craig

R.I.P. Sgt. Craig. Thank you
2008-01-31 09:47:20 PM  
btw, I love what Montel is saying, but he needs to watch Jim Lehrer.
2008-01-31 11:51:59 PM  
Good one Montel.

I am glad he distinguished between "real" people dying and Iraqis.
2008-02-01 04:09:36 AM  
can i be you when i grow up: dogdaze: I agree w/ the truthiness, but when getting paid to do a job, there's a time and a place . . .

He was there to promote a book, so he was probably not getting paid. They turned the interview away from his book and into commentary about Heath Ledger.

He got a Fark submission out of it, what more publicity could a person ask for in this day and age?
2008-02-01 10:14:55 AM  
God bless you, Montel!
2008-02-01 10:36:05 AM  
There's a war in Iraq?

You're kidding me!

/picks up a newspaper and looks for stuff on it...nothing on page 1, 2 or 3...
2008-02-01 10:56:46 AM  
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
Joseph Stalin.
2008-02-01 12:20:34 PM  
Genta: 28 troops that died in iraq since january 1? how many died to drunk drivers? to handguns in the US?

13 cops died in january too. considering the difficulties in iraq... 28 dead is a lot lower than in could be.

Way to completely miss the point.
2008-02-01 03:53:10 PM  
While I agree that the constant coverage of Ledger's death was appalling, I see the need to report on his death over, say, the deaths of every soldier.

For one, soldiers choose to be soldiers and they know a war's on. Their deaths aren't exactly unexpected. Whereas, Ledger's death was a surprise, having been so young and apparently relaxing in his apartment.

Montel definitely has a point, but I'm not sure if Ledger's death is the story he should be attacking.
2008-02-01 04:27:58 PM  
For some reason, it is human nature to gain immediate and appreciable respect for someone that makes a good point, when they stand up against convention to make it. I certainly agree with his major premise: That although tragic, we are devoting far too much of our attention to the death of one man, simply because of his celebrity. Indeed, it is the media's search for ratings, instead of a desire to provide meaningful information to a democratic society, that motivates them.

But I think most would agree that the same type of media that exploits Heath Ledger's death ad nauseum for ratings, might very well address these topics as well:

"Before we marry, we need to talk." A show about a potential groom that won't agree to marry his beloved, unless she gives up exotic dancing;

"Stepsibling affairs," I guess that one speaks for itself;

"Hollywood at large, a year in review." A show about the legal troubles of Celebrities in 2003; and let us not forget

"Inside the secret world of celebrities," a show dedicated to the troubles celebrities face with addiction, citing Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith as examples.

Of course, these are but four examples of episodes of "Montel." He's been on the air for years pedaling this stuff.

So, it may be that Fox let him go out of spite, and that probably is accurate. However, there is an outside chance they fired him for hypocrisy. Let's consider that, and reflect on his motives for making this point, before we give him too much credit.
2008-02-01 05:15:24 PM  
Montel is correct.

But, I bet he already knew his show was toast, so he unloaded while he could.
2008-02-01 06:51:38 PM  
EoJ: What I was trying to say all along was that Montel was out of place here. Soy Bomb, drive-by tactics are not exactly what his supposed position needs.

His position needs to be heard. The problem with the MSM in terms of news is that is a weapon of mass distraction. Curious as to what you think his supposed position needs if not air time.

I say again, Montel was being an ass. The rant was out of place attention whoreing. My point with the links I posted was simply to show that if you want news of the world, you can search the resources we have available to us today. If you know the networks don't provide news, then why watch the networks for news?

Of course, Montel was being an ass. He was being deliberately disruptive by refusing to play into the narrative he had signed on for, namely talking about an already over-exposed topic in order to appeal to the LCD component that makes up much of the MSM's fan base and to dumb them down even further with trivialities given excessive weight. Was there a certain degree of self aggrandisement to the proceedings? Damn straight there was. Montel had just lost his show and refused to be their dancing clown. Perhaps, as some suggest, it was his way of burning bridges but it can also be argued that he was trying to shoot his profile up by this act which, as you can see by the many responses on this thread, was a positive act in many folks perceptions.

He's now immortal on youtube and this intantly registers as a zeitgeist moment. In point of fact the crocodile tears for Heath by the folks at Fox & Friends was far more asshattish and obnoxious than anything Montel did.

Yes, stats on the war are available on many other websites but much of that information is contradictory and even more is missing. Bottom line is Montel did a good thing. The biggest ass in this story is the moran at Fox who hired a recently fired and very angry black man to come play nice with his crowd of morans.
2008-02-01 08:55:35 PM  
Can any totalfarkers out there let us liters know how many headlines were submitted regarding Heath Ledger's death, and also how many headlines have been submitted about individual troops deaths in the past month?
2008-02-01 09:44:52 PM  
Wow, Montel is in my good books now. That took guts.
2008-02-01 11:31:05 PM  
Very late for the thread but no one has mentioned that Montel is a former marine and U.S. Naval Academy graduate.
2008-02-02 01:57:48 AM  
Montel 2008?
2008-02-02 04:06:24 PM  
Fox News is run by Roger Ailes.
Local Fox-owned broadcast stations are also headed by Roger Ailes.


I still find it kind of strange that some Fox-owned stations still carry Jerry Springer even though he had a show on Air America.
2008-02-04 06:34:43 AM  
I wanted to draw your attention to the "Help Keep Montel Williams on the Air" petition.
Link and, if you would like him to continue, I'd like to encourage you to add your signature. It's free and takes less than a minute.
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