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2008-01-31 02:27:14 PM  
howdyyall9999: Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???

Ummm yeah... that's what his show is all about. He is basically busting on them for acting like him. They are supposed to be news not fluff


Must...not...pee...pants...with...laughter...and...disturb...coworkers​...
 
2008-01-31 02:28:26 PM  
Hero tag must be taking the day off
 
2008-01-31 02:28:42 PM  
You know what I liked about that? Montell Williams did not attack anyone, did not blame anyone, but simply made a point that needed to be made. He was clear, and stayed on the topic he wanted to.

I tell you, good job on him. It's nice to see someone think of others once in a while, especially when those others are actively protecting us.
 
2008-01-31 02:30:39 PM  
Corvus: Brubold: As a conservative I do agree with Montel. However singling out Fox for this is very silly as I don't see CNN, MSNBC or any other liberal media outlets listing the names of our troops that die over there as they happen. What I do see them doing is the same 24/7 news coverage every time a white woman disappears or anybody who is even semi-famous dies.

Our news media sucks. It's sad but true.

Did he just blame fox? I missed that part.


I think Brubold is talking about the many folks in this thread singling out FOX. Any chance to bash FOX, I guess.
 
2008-01-31 02:31:51 PM  
Oh, yeah. Montel is correct, too.

It's all about ratings for ALL of the networks.
 
2008-01-31 02:34:10 PM  
Montel is da man!
funnypart.comView Full Size
 
2008-01-31 02:35:47 PM  
Bewbies would love to know how this soon-to-be-has-been gets off with that sort of behavior, when he constantly has Sylvia Brown on his show.

Link (new window)

Motel: Why is it you're entertaining a farking 'psychic' on your show, rather than preaching to your audience about the soldier that died that day? You seem to have gotten quite righteous since Fox decided to nix your show.

douche.
 
2008-01-31 02:37:00 PM  
DanUFfan: I think Brubold is talking about the many folks in this thread singling out FOX. Any chance to bash FOX, I guess.

They are all bad. CNN is horrible with Nancy Grace. She is probably one of the worst about this subject. And accusing people of murder from her desk with her arm chair detective is just sick.

But FOX does probably run this crap the most hours of the day of any of these stations.

Most of the 24 hours news channels are all crap. I think the BBC has a good news program. I mostly just read multiple sources on the net.
 
2008-01-31 02:38:22 PM  
kid_icarus: I was first going to comment on how impractical it would be for the news outlets to feature segments on dead soldiers, since you could basically devote an entire channel to it and still not cover them all (given the number of casualties). It would eventually become monotonous and ratings would drop.

BUT...I wonder if the news began doing that on a at least semi-regular basis, and began putting a very human face on the casualty # = X we see every night, if it might begin to sour public support for the war even more than it already is.

//government conspiracy, I say!
//It's the Jews. They control the media!


This was the point Mr. Williams was making. We know more about the American Idol contestants than that of those who have died serving or country.

It would mean a lot to the families of those lost if even a little air time was given commemorate the life of their loved one.

Imagine if a young mother was able to record a short news segment about her lost husband so she could show it to her children once they were old enough to understand.
 
2008-01-31 02:39:51 PM  
Good for him. Someone's got to say this shiat and bring it to the forefront.
 
2008-01-31 02:40:10 PM  
equilibrium:
Montel was making it painfully clear that we are ignoring real news in our bread and circuses obsession with celebrity. The networks claim that they push their pablum for ratings but they've also taken a huge hit in viewership among some demographics for pretty much precisely that reason.



They push their pablum to keep Americans distracted from what is really going on, particularly in the Mid-East. There's a simple reason for that, and it has nothing to do with ratings - they did fine with the ratings when every major TV news network was marching us into war with lies they could easily have disproved (as Knight Ridder and very few others did.) Hint, Knight Ridder wasn't controlled by bat-shiat crazy Mid-Easterners. I think it is now though, they were bought - can't have somebody doing their job and making them look bad.

The problem is that American TV news is DOMINATED by one party to the mess which is the Mid-East: strident Zionists. It is why Palestinian casualties are reported at 1/100th the rate of Israeli deaths, although those casualties fall disproportionately on the Palestinians. It is why they ALL lied to us in the run up to the Iraq invasion.

And they will do it again. They will do it as many times as they are allowed to get away with it.

Celebrity is the False Idol they would have us worship, while they go about the business of walling people off into ghettos and slowly starving them. While they lure the world's greatest superpower into a fight in their backyard.

95% of TV news in this country comes from organizations either owned or operated by members of one religion, one culture, and one very specific political point of view. That's why, depsite all of the supposed differences, CNN, ABC and Fox ALL told you the same lies about Iraq. The "liberal media" and Fox both sold you the same bill of goods.

I am NOT saying that Jews can't be trusted, or that they should not own and operate news media outlets. I am saying that it is DANGEROUS as hell to have all of it controlled and owned by ONE group. I seriously doubt that the people of Israel would be very happy if all of their news came from Christians, especially if they were all Christians of a particular political stripe, a stripe which centered on a nation other than Israel.

Zionists, as meant by me, means those who will not even consider pre-'67 border, Jerusalem or the Territories as being on the table. They are dangerous and they are mad.

And they are telling you what to believe, daily.

Jeffrey Zucker, CEO NBC TV
Robert Iger, CEO ABC
Leslie Moonves, CEO CBS, grandnephew of David Ben Gurion
Jonathon Klein, CEO CNN
Peter F. Chernin, President and COO FOX

Any one of these not a Zionist?
Any one of these not controlling a US media major?

/Jew
//Anti-Zionist
///American
 
2008-01-31 02:41:24 PM  
Bewbies: Bewbies would love to know how this soon-to-be-has-been gets off with that sort of behavior, when he constantly has Sylvia Brown on his show.

There is no such thing are as 'heroes' there is only just people with heroic moments.

You really have to refer yourself in the third person?

He's not a "soon-to-be-has-been" he has been a has been for quit awhile now. Not sure how that makes any point.

It seems to me there are a lot of people in the world who just attack people and don't ever care about making a valid point.
 
2008-01-31 02:42:01 PM  
I get all my news from Fark. It is a bastion of informed debate. A certain farker (known for his quotes) is an intellectual god. I am humbled to even be allowed to log in, much less comment.

/actually, this place is pretty good
 
2008-01-31 02:43:11 PM  
I admire Montel for his stance. I don't think he should have been fired, who should be fired are the Fox news commentators for their failure to facilitate an easy(er) discussion. I mean they get paid to look pretty stare into a camera and conduct and direct conversation, right? William's was able to bowl them over..


/the Cult of celebrity needs to DIAF
 
2008-01-31 02:44:49 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: unexplained bacon:
they can cover it all day, but to pretend to be a serious news organization, with their outward hyper-patriotism in particular is a joke and montel called them on it.

So because they covered Ledger's death they are not a legitimate news org?


that coverage is a symptom of the disease.

I think fox is the worst, but not by much. the point I was trying to make applies to cnn, msnbc, and fox. they simply spend way to much time on tabloid news, and when they are dealing with actual news they manage to cover it like a tabloid.

on msnbc this morning they had someone review mccain and romney's body language and they've recently spent a lot of time talking about that ONE photo that might show what appears to be obama snubbing hillary. maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's news. it's more like gossip about news.

they could talk about the actual issues in the republican debate, but they went with a body language expert, and they could talk about the differences between obama and hillary's positions on important issues, but they talk about some irrelevant perceived snub that doesn't matter. it's just not news IMO. I have to look elsewhere to get the facts I'm interested in because you wont find them on the major news networks.
 
2008-01-31 02:47:09 PM  
duckpoopy: Heath Ledger didn't volunteer to be a human shield.

Most of the people in Iraq signed up before the invasion. Many are reservists but more importantly most are actively trying to get out but keep getting stop-gapped. Some might have joined because they wanted to kill some arabs and get themselves blown up but I highly doubt it's more than a couple bad apples, most are being victimized
 
2008-01-31 02:48:00 PM  
This is why I don't listen to/watch the news anymore, I get it online.

Here at work, I listen to a radio station that has CNN hourly news. They have devoted coverage to American Idol! What is wrong with that picture. Every hour I have to hear about how Idol was in podunk town USA, and had some really bad contestants. Today it was all about Brittney and going to the hospital.

Give me coverage on the fed rate drops, the war in iraq, the stock market, please, anything but Celeb stuff. What's even worse, I have to listen to everyone in my office talk about what happened last night on Idol as well.

\Loves being able to get news online
\\Filters Entertainment news out
\\\Loves the slashies
 
2008-01-31 02:50:08 PM  
Amen Montel.

So much for the so called patriots on Fox.
 
2008-01-31 02:50:23 PM  
I heard maybe he knew his contract was canceled before his appearance, so since he had nothing to lose...

rumor or rumour, you decide.
 
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2008-01-31 02:50:23 PM  
unexplained bacon: I think fox is the worst, but not by much. the point I was trying to make applies to cnn, msnbc, and fox. they simply spend way to much time on tabloid news, and when they are dealing with actual news they manage to cover it like a tabloid.

All my life I've wished that the news readers would not spend one third of their show telling me who threw the ball the most yesterday.

/bread and circuses
 
2008-01-31 02:50:33 PM  
Bewbies: Good point, though I think his message was more one of, Why the Fark are we paying so much attention to Heath Ledgers death, why is this guy better than everyone else. I don't think we should be running a new story about every single soldier who died, but I also don't think the news should spend more than 5 minutes reporting on Health Ledger. In todays news, Health Ledger died, for more information check out website or watch Entertainment Tonight where this belongs.
 
2008-01-31 02:56:08 PM  
Corvus
It seems to me there are a lot of people in the world who just attack people and don't ever care about making a valid point.

Sorry if the point I made wasn't as defined as I thought. What I'm saying, is that he has the effrontery to come on someone else's show under the pretense of promoting his book, and use the slightest deviation to springboard himself atop a soapbox. Additionally, he's accusing the hosts (and the media in general) of catering to what the public wants - "Feeding the beast." - rather than catering to their own obligations as media icons.

Sounds well and good, aside from that fact that Montell constantly has stupid guests and topics for his show, rather than spouting this kind of self-righteous garbage. Sylvia Brown, the "Is there a cure for homosexuality?" episodes .. He has absolutely no room to talk. He's just as guilty - if not more - of "feeding the beast".

Speaking in third person is a means of entertaining myself.
 
2008-01-31 02:57:56 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???

Montel's program isn't intended to be the news. It's about psychics and baby-daddys and out of control teens who dress sexy. Fox News is, on the other hand, a news channel. I'd say their obligation to cover Iraq casualties is slightly higher than that of the Montel Williams Show.
 
2008-01-31 03:04:10 PM  
kid_icarus: BUT...I wonder if the news began doing that on a at least semi-regular basis, and began putting a very human face on the casualty # = X we see every night, if it might begin to sour public support for the war even more than it already is.

I think the decision that affects the public's response to the war the most was to outlaw media coverage of the returning American dead. A brilliant political move. A despicable act of cowardice. Everything would be different if it weren't for that, IMHO.
 
2008-01-31 03:05:51 PM  
ILostMyPassword: It reminds me of Bill O's attacks on Jon Stewart and the response that the show before him is puppets making prank phone calls. People watch TV in context, comedy central for entertainment, news channels for news.

That was the Crossfire guys. Tucker Carlson and...I don't recall the other's name.

Jon got them both fired.
 
2008-01-31 03:07:30 PM  
WiteBuddha: Da REV: Montel brought something to the surface...our society's desperate desire to know every single piece of information on the people we give celebrity status to...can you imagine a world where nobody gives a fark about Paris & Perez?

take down hollywood and its falsehoods, it would prolly solve global warming

perez?


the incredible human douchebag Perez Hilton
 
2008-01-31 03:08:34 PM  
Two things:

1) You see much more celebrity gossip and talky stuff in the morning and during the day. Who watches TV then? You got it. TV news knows demographics just like the rest of TV.

2) Were I an amoral, disgusting TV exec wishing to be a propaganda mouthpiece, I would capitalize on this. Have people come on regularly and be "angry prophets denouncing the hypocrisies of our times." It would be great reverse psychology, painting that person as a loony/outsider/whatever.

/Network for the farking win
 
2008-01-31 03:09:50 PM  
Neeek:
That was the Crossfire guys. Tucker Carlson and...I don't recall the other's name.

Jon got them both fired.


Paul Begala
 
2008-01-31 03:11:12 PM  
Neeek: ILostMyPassword: It reminds me of Bill O's attacks on Jon Stewart and the response that the show before him is puppets making prank phone calls. People watch TV in context, comedy central for entertainment, news channels for news.

That was the Crossfire guys. Tucker Carlson and...I don't recall the other's name.


The dictionary uses the vid as the definition of 'awesome'.
Jon Stewart on Crossfire (new window)

Sorta makes Montel's attempt seem sort of second rate, but admirable nonetheless.
 
2008-01-31 03:14:40 PM  
that was good, and it is true. but i didn't see where he was booted.
 
2008-01-31 03:24:04 PM  
quatchi: EoJ: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

Actually, since the television war ie Vietnam the US Military have learned a lot more about how to control the images that the nation gets to see in order to keep public opinion of the effort as high as possible. Iraq has been called the "video game" war for very good reason. Most Americans only get to see it from high above where laser guided missiles always get their target and civilian casualities are only addressed in passing. People who live in the ME get a much clearer picture than folks in the US. Now granted this has a lot to do with the fact that western journalists take their lives in their own hands trying to cover this war and that Al Jazeera and others can more easily film the human costs at ground level but that's not the only reason for the disconnect.

That's just "how it works"



Corvus: EdJofJupiter: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

I thought during the Vietnam war they had independent reporters out in the field, displaying unedited footage about the war during prime time television. Now you must go with the military and it must be approved.

Can you please educate the rest of us how now we know much more about the war?


Vietnam? you guys wanna compare network news coverage in Vietnam to information available today about Iraq, or anything else?

The blood and destruction shown on TV then numbed people to the war, people stopped watching it. The coverage still didn't give names of everyone killed. If you want statistics about what happens in Iraq, just spend some time searching the web.

Iraq Coalition Casualties by State and City (new window)

My point was, Montel was being an ass looking for attention. Did his rant do one thing to help anybody but himself?

Go check the Vietnam era media and see what coverage celebrity deaths got then as well.
 
2008-01-31 03:30:51 PM  
100 responses and nobody, and I mean NOBODY, points out the utter hypocrisy of Montel Williams?

This is a man whose whole career has been built on tabloid trash.

His show is just "outrageous teens" and physics and other complete garbage. And NOW he's trying to be all "We need to be serious"

This is the ultimate pot calling the kettle black right here.

I agree that the coverage of Ledger is overblown and stupid, but Montell is nothing more than a big part of the problem.
 
2008-01-31 03:48:59 PM  
Yeah I got to admit Montel is the last guy I would expect to make this point but he is right. Nixon went to China so I guess Montel can call the media out on it's shallowness and hypocrisy.
 
2008-01-31 03:55:05 PM  
Defeat all DumboKKKrats: 100 responses and nobody, and I mean NOBODY, points out the utter hypocrisy of Montel Williams?

This is a man whose whole career has been built on tabloid trash.

His show is just "outrageous teens" and physics and other complete garbage. And NOW he's trying to be all "We need to be serious"

This is the ultimate pot calling the kettle black right here.

I agree that the coverage of Ledger is overblown and stupid, but Montell is nothing more than a big part of the problem.


Identifying trolls is easy when they have names. As for calling things black, I guess I never really watched enough daytime talk shows to be that informed, I was too busy getting an education and working.
 
2008-01-31 04:03:29 PM  
MEDICAL MARIJUANA ADVOCATES need to draft Montel to be a national spokesman for the issue.
 
2008-01-31 04:03:35 PM  
EdJofJupiter Iraq Coalition Casualties by State and City (new window)

that doesn't seem up to date at all for my area, the last death it list for my town was 2004 when we had 3 die from here from april of 07-november of 07 that were not mentioned at all.
 
2008-01-31 04:15:39 PM  
Now only if Montel could biatch bout the fark Britney, uh, I mean Showbiz tab.
 
2008-01-31 04:22:36 PM  
antidisestablishmentarianism:
Identifying trolls is easy when they have names. As for calling things black, I guess I never really watched enough daytime talk shows to be that informed, I was too busy getting an education and working.


learning.cc.hccs.eduView Full Size
 
2008-01-31 04:38:34 PM  
Defeat all DumboKKKrats: antidisestablishmentarianism:
Identifying trolls is easy when they have names. As for calling things black, I guess I never really watched enough daytime talk shows to be that informed, I was too busy getting an education and working.


So you just creadte a name and an alt for the run-up eh? My ignore list, let me show it to you
 
2008-01-31 04:39:02 PM  
Anyone else doing what he did would seem to be looking for attention (oh look how concerned I am)

But he seems really sincere and informed about this and for that I commend him. My respect for him has just gone up about 20 notches.
 
2008-01-31 04:48:32 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???


Yeah, but do you turn on Montel for serious reporting?

Do you hold Fox only to the same levels of journalistic integrity that you do Montel Williams?
 
2008-01-31 04:56:05 PM  
Defeat all DumboKKKrats: 100 responses and nobody, and I mean NOBODY, points out the utter hypocrisy of Montel Williams?

This is a man whose whole career has been built on tabloid trash.


Fom Wiki:

Williams enlisted in the United States Marine Corps in 1974 and completed his recruit training at MCRD Parris Island, South Carolina. While training at Twentynine Palms, he was selected for training at the Naval Preparatory School and a year later, he was accepted into the United States Naval Academy.[1] In 1980, he graduated with a degree in engineering and a minor in international security affairs. Upon graduation, Williams was commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy.[citation needed]

Williams served on board the USS Sampson during the U.S. invasion of Grenada. His awards include the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, two Navy Expeditionary Medals, two Humanitarian Service Medals, a Navy Achievement Medal, two Navy Commendation Medals and two Meritorious Service Medals. He retired after 22 years of military service as a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy.[2]


Not his whole career, apparently.
 
2008-01-31 05:02:21 PM  
Where's the HERO tag for this?
 
2008-01-31 05:48:55 PM  
Not bad, Montel. Suddenly he seems 3% less of a smacktard than the Daytime Talk Show Host aggregate.
 
2008-01-31 05:52:05 PM  
Dont you think Montell more than many would be qualified to speak with expertise about exploitation for ratings?

Best thing I've ever heard from Montell Williams.

Best video I've seen probably all year.
 
2008-01-31 06:08:49 PM  
Screw Heath Ledger. He was a freaking actor, one who is paid to pretend for our amusement. He wasn't a hero, and his death is no more and no less tragic than any other death.

Hollywood will not be facing a shortage of talent because of his death, and we will all move on.

People die every day. They expire, they're crushed to death in car accidents, and they get shot by other people sometimes. Some of us die in surgery, others die of old age, but we all freaking die.

Covering the death of one person who has not significantly affected the lives of the 300 million people here in the USA is a waste of the broadcast day.

News. It means information which is new. What new information is gained by rehashing the fact that an attractive young person has died? Montel is correct in pointing out the fact that the vast majority of news programming is neither informative nor important. It's fluff and people somehow allow themselves to feel informed after watching it. Well, that's a delusion.

Props to Montel, but please, man, get that awful "psychic" hag/fraudbag off your show, please.
 
2008-01-31 06:14:12 PM  
Good for Montel!

On a side note - Canadian media reports on the names of all soldiers killed in Afghanistan. They also run follow-up reports when the bodies are returned home and when the funerals take place.
 
2008-01-31 06:28:42 PM  
Career suicide. Or is it?
 
2008-01-31 06:41:09 PM  
phildeez: The conversation should have been something like this...

Montel: "What I want to know is, why am I on here talking about Ledger when you could have a soldier on here instead, one who is sacrificing himself for the nation etc. What is really important in this nation?"

Fox News Guy: "um...you have a book you want to plug...and stuff."

Montel: "Ah, right...well, then, carry on"


Yes, because no one is allowed to talk politics unless they're allowed to talk politics. I get it.

Where is Heath Ledger mentioned in Montel's book, I wonder?
 
2008-01-31 06:57:37 PM  
Montel was the only real person in that group. The rest were pitiful tools. Thanks Montel for keeping it real.
 
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