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2008-01-31 01:40:39 PM  
Montel brought something to the surface...our society's desperate desire to know every single piece of information on the people we give celebrity status to...can you imagine a world where nobody gives a fark about Paris & Perez?

take down hollywood and its falsehoods, it would prolly solve global warming
 
2008-01-31 01:41:59 PM  
scseth: Feeding the beast.

We are the beast.


Montel: Cart before the horse.
Horse before the cart.
I don't know who's driving.


+1 fer subby.

My respect for Montel went up several notches all at once there.

Luffed the way FOX went to the the split screen and showed Heath in Brokeback as Montel continued to hold forth on his chosen topic. Part of the strategy of keeping American losses in Iraq "acceptable" is to never remind people of them. MW's attempt to rectify that situation by taking the time that was to be spent on an already overly discussed celebutard's death to talk about the underly mentioned deaths of troops in Iraq was nothing but net. I assume that when they came back from commecial Montel was no longer on set.

Here's the backstory, btw.

After 17 years, "The Montel Williams Show" will cease production in May.

The syndicated show, known for uplifting personal stories and psychic readings, was up for renewal at the end of this season. Variety reports that key Fox-owned stations opted not to extend their contracts.


Basically FOX shiat-canned him after 17 years and then invited him on Fox's Morning Show when he was still pretty pissed about it. Well, nobody ever sed they were a pack of Rhodes scholars over at Fox.

Wot did they think was gonna happen?
 
2008-01-31 01:43:25 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???


Ummm yeah... that's what his show is all about. He is basically busting on them for acting like him. They are supposed to be news not fluff...

Now we can blame Monty and his ilk for putting an addictive chemical in this type of trash that makes John Q Dumbass crave it fortnightly...
 
2008-01-31 01:44:40 PM  
Is he saying that Ledger death should not be covered?
 
2008-01-31 01:44:41 PM  
Bloody William
That blonde hosebeast pissed me off with that.

But is she right? Is Fox News feeding crap to society to create an appetite, or a mirror of the appetite society has?
 
2008-01-31 01:45:39 PM  
The conversation should have been something like this...

Montel: "What I want to know is, why am I on here talking about Ledger when you could have a soldier on here instead, one who is sacrificing himself for the nation etc. What is really important in this nation?"

Fox News Guy: "um...you have a book you want to plug...and stuff."

Montel: "Ah, right...well, then, carry on"
 
2008-01-31 01:46:12 PM  
Motel has completely earned my respect here.
 
2008-01-31 01:46:45 PM  
I like how defenseless the FoxNews hosts are. The three of them were blindsided and paralyzed with stupidity. It was as if nobody ever warned them an articulate person could invade their inner sanctum and have his say.

All they had to do was ask Montel how many drug overdoses in the US since January 1.
 
2008-01-31 01:47:04 PM  
scseth:

But is she right? Is Fox News feeding crap to society to create an appetite, or a mirror of the appetite society has?


I think the appetite is there. What are the most read magazines in the US?
 
2008-01-31 01:47:36 PM  
way to go montel, I like him now
 
2008-01-31 01:47:37 PM  
4NSpy: I wouldn't cross montel, he'll blow up your house

If I was killed in the explosion, would Montel talk about me?
 
2008-01-31 01:47:51 PM  
One of those forbidden subjects at Fox - the human cost of the occupation.
 
2008-01-31 01:50:04 PM  
Control_this: I like how defenseless the FoxNews hosts are. The three of them were blindsided and paralyzed with stupidity. It was as if nobody ever warned them an articulate person could invade their inner sanctum and have his say.



How were they defenseless? I mean the host mentioned their coverage, asked the question about horse vs. cart, explained why they covered it. I thought it was a pretty good exchange.
 
2008-01-31 01:51:32 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???


I see what you're getting at, but do you really think a "news" channel and "talk show" should be held to the same standards? Isn't it depressing that it's so hard to tell the difference anymore?

Anyway like I said, I would argue this was the correct platform to say something and try and wake the audience up: "this is not a tragedy, this is some rich actor with a drug problem, the death of our servicemen is a tragedy; put this into perspective."

The topics of Heath Ledger, or Britney, or Paris -- these are TALK SHOW topics. But here we are, it's infotainment, it's what sells. America is as addicted to infotainment as Heath (allegedly) was to drugs, now THAT'S a tragedy.
 
2008-01-31 01:51:52 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Is he saying that Ledger death should not be covered?

They've covered it. It's sad. These things happen and there's nothing we can do about it.
Meanwhile, there's more pertinent things going on that we CAN do something about.

I have an ear infection and a broken leg. If I ask the doctor to fix my leg first, it doesn't mean I wish to go deaf.

media5.dropshots.com
 
2008-01-31 01:53:30 PM  
wow, montel made a ton of sense.

he's just said what myself and many many others have been thinking, and he said it very well.

good one montel.
 
2008-01-31 01:55:31 PM  
If the world were just and fair, Montel would be a much bigger deal in this world.

He's a good man.
 
2008-01-31 01:55:46 PM  
quatchi: Basically FOX shiat-canned him after 17 years and then invited him on Fox's Morning Show when he was still pretty pissed about it. Well, nobody ever sed they were a pack of Rhodes scholars over at Fox.

Wot did they think was gonna happen?


I don't think Fox (or any organization that gigantic) is one big giant head that knows what every part is doing at all times. I doubt seriously that the booking guy at Fox and Friends knew that Montel had been dropped by the booking guy at a non-cable affiliate.
 
2008-01-31 01:56:38 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf:

They've covered it. It's sad. These things happen and there's nothing we can do about it.
Meanwhile, there's more pertinent things going on that we CAN do something about.

I have an ear infection and a broken leg. If I ask the doctor to fix my leg first, it doesn't mean I wish to go deaf.


Uhmmmmmmm OK so when can they cover it?
 
2008-01-31 01:57:14 PM  
Hmmm...what to think, what to think.

I always thought this guy was just another run of the mill tool (an example of this was that story a way back where he got all "tough guy" on that high school reporter), after this Fox thing I now have some respect for him.

Maybe he's just a normal guy capable of being both a dick and a cool guy.
 
2008-01-31 01:57:41 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me. Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???

Montel has a talk show. Crackpots and psychics are part of that game.

Fox is (allegedly) a news network. Dead soldiers should be > dead celebrities. The fact that they aren't was his point.
 
2008-01-31 01:58:54 PM  
I like how that blonde chick tried to play smart and threw out phrases like "feeding the beast"... Montowned!

I guess, in the very least, it was surprising the Fox didn't suddenly go blank, then pop up the "We Are Experiencing Technical Difficulties" graphic.

Either way, Montel is my new hero. I used to (and still do) think his show was pretty lame, but at least he's honest.
 
2008-01-31 02:01:16 PM  
Da REV: Montel brought something to the surface...our society's desperate desire to know every single piece of information on the people we give celebrity status to...can you imagine a world where nobody gives a fark about Paris & Perez?

take down hollywood and its falsehoods, it would prolly solve global warming


perez?
 
2008-01-31 02:01:31 PM  
28 troops that died in iraq since january 1? how many died to drunk drivers? to handguns in the US?

http://www.odmp.org/year.php

13 cops died in january too. considering the difficulties in iraq... 28 dead is a lot lower than in could be.

considering the military difficulties this administration has kept the number of deaths very low.... a full order of magnitude lower that vietnam, and no draft. occupations are inherently very dangerous...

now, i disagree with the war because iraq was indeed not a wmd threat and i dont believe the iraqi people want the kind of democrazy that america offers. but i recognize and respect the military accomplishments achieved... including keeping the american casualty count down.
 
2008-01-31 02:01:39 PM  
scseth: Bloody William
That blonde hosebeast pissed me off with that.

But is she right? Is Fox News feeding crap to society to create an appetite, or a mirror of the appetite society has?


There are at least two schools of thought here. The first is that people will eat what's put in front of them most days. Which is to say that professional journalists have a standard to uphold and that if they do their jobs properly people will tune in anyways. Quatchi calls this the Broccolli Theory of Mainstream news.

The Junk Food Theory states that the LCD is a really low number and that NILFs reading fluff pieces about celebutards with splashy graphics and thumping music in the background will pull in the punters better than any other method.

All MSM is in the business of selling soap first and foremost. Secondly, they are there to shape the national debate. The difference between FOX and other news networks like the difference between the NY Post and the NYT is that the former are more obviously beating the retards among us over the head with a hammer in order to get the gist of their propaganda into people's heads while the latter uses more sophisticated methodology and more subtle and refined propaganda in order to do so.

Shaping public opinion under the guise of reflecting it.
Information of a sort, and always with an agenda.
Dumbing down a nation while manufacturing consent and selling soap.
...and always twirling twirling twirling.

Sadly, Fox's ratings would suggest that America is a "Junk Food Nation" who's citizenry are overly prone to be sucked into the sensationalised non-news of Faux News over more traditional and rational news sources.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:07 PM  
Watching this, I thought for a few seconds he was going to show care for the dead soldiers but completely not care of Heath's tragic death. But seeing that he showed condolence, I decided to listen to him.

He made several good points in his statements. Sadly, they won't be strong enough to get through FOX's thick skull.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:09 PM  
Hang On Voltaire:

Uhmmmmmmm OK so when can they cover it?


they can cover it all day, but to pretend to be a serious news organization, with their outward hyper-patriotism in particular is a joke and montel called them on it.

fox is half WH propaganda and half tabloid news IMO.

not that cnn or msnbc are on the ball mind you.

these 'news' outlets talk about celebrities like this guy and spears right after they talk about McCain's body language and Obama's hillary snub. news? not so much.

someone who gets their news exclusively from the major tv outlets would be incredibly uninformed on the major issues of the day.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:32 PM  
SardonicAvenger: Go completely off topic with political rhetoric on Fark: you're a threadshiatter at best, a troll at worst.

Do it on Fox News: you're a hero.

Glad we cleared that up.


You kind of missed the point there. Montel was making it painfully clear that we are ignoring real news in our bread and circuses obsession with celebrity. The networks claim that they push their pablum for ratings but they've also taken a huge hit in viewership among some demographics for pretty much precisely that reason.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:33 PM  
Brian Kilmeade is the dumbest man in America.
 
2008-01-31 02:05:49 PM  
unexplained bacon:
they can cover it all day, but to pretend to be a serious news organization, with their outward hyper-patriotism in particular is a joke and montel called them on it.


So because they covered Ledger's death they are not a legitimate news org?
 
2008-01-31 02:06:05 PM  
Wow.

A moral talk show host. Good for him.
 
2008-01-31 02:06:58 PM  
Montel=come watch my show, I speak the truth.

/gimme a break
//facepalm
 
2008-01-31 02:07:22 PM  
I remember a few years back when some dead soldiers photos were posted one after the other.... they got accused of exploiting the troops. Always seemed to me, you show the young man or woman who lost their life you are making people see them and honor them... think about them. But the fact is these conservative, war supporters don;t want you to really see.... just support the troops...In other words keep supporting their war.

I have my slant on this, for sure. But whatever Montel thinks... he was trying to do the right thing. This is really what support the troops looks like...
 
2008-01-31 02:08:13 PM  
Montel got it right on this particular topic. Having said that: pot, kettle, black and all that. MW is no saint when it comes to schilling crap on his own program.
 
2008-01-31 02:09:08 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Hideously Gigantic Smurf:

They've covered it. It's sad. These things happen and there's nothing we can do about it.
Meanwhile, there's more pertinent things going on that we CAN do something about.

I have an ear infection and a broken leg. If I ask the doctor to fix my leg first, it doesn't mean I wish to go deaf.

Uhmmmmmmm OK so when can they cover it?


They...

Already...

Have.

Do you get it now or do I have to try and translate that into Teletubbie speak?
 
2008-01-31 02:11:03 PM  
Wait...Heath Ledger died?
 
2008-01-31 02:11:06 PM  
Ophelia's Snorkel: Spindle: For those of us that have YouTube blocked at work, can we get a quick summary?

Basically, Montel took the FOX hosts to task for making such a big deal out of one actor's death and barely taking about the deaths of US soldiers (as in, stating the soldier's name, spending 13 mins or so discussing his accomplishments and his life). He told them (and I am not quoting) that they ought to admit they were acting like a tabloid.

Never respected the man until today. He was pretty relentless.


I don't think that is why they canned him, but what he said x1000.

the sad thing is though news shows that skip all that crap get worse ratings. I don't know anyone who says they follow them , but they get ratings.

You can't blame fox or CNN or BBC. There are links on all of their websites for most clicked headline and world's biggest dog meeting world's smallest, what celebrity is in rehab, etc are always the top.

Once we made news short and sweet so you don;t need an attention span it was dumbed down to the lowest common denoominator.
 
2008-01-31 02:11:24 PM  
karmachameleon: Montel got it right on this particular topic. Having said that: pot, kettle, black and all that. MW is no saint when it comes to schilling crap on his own program.

Yup.
 
2008-01-31 02:11:34 PM  
I can't say I like Montel, but I did like what he did and he's totally right about how farked up it is to focus so much time on some rich guy with a drug habit instead of people dying in a stupid war.
 
2008-01-31 02:14:08 PM  
Manfred J. Hattan: quatchi: Basically FOX shiat-canned him after 17 years and then invited him on Fox's Morning Show when he was still pretty pissed about it. Well, nobody ever sed they were a pack of Rhodes scholars over at Fox.

Wot did they think was gonna happen?

I don't think Fox (or any organization that gigantic) is one big giant head that knows what every part is doing at all times. I doubt seriously that the booking guy at Fox and Friends knew that Montel had been dropped by the booking guy at a non-cable affiliate.


Maybe they knew and they were hoping for sparks to fly because of it or maybe they didn't know and they inadvertently let an angry black man on the air on their hopelessly lame morning show but either way some interesting teevee was the result.

EoJ: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

Actually, since the television war ie Vietnam the US Military have learned a lot more about how to control the images that the nation gets to see in order to keep public opinion of the effort as high as possible. Iraq has been called the "video game" war for very good reason. Most Americans only get to see it from high above where laser guided missiles always get their target and civilian casualities are only addressed in passing. People who live in the ME get a much clearer picture than folks in the US. Now granted this has a lot to do with the fact that western journalists take their lives in their own hands trying to cover this war and that Al Jazeera and others can more easily film the human costs at ground level but that's not the only reason for the disconnect.

That's just "how it works"
 
2008-01-31 02:17:47 PM  
What?....
No missing white girls....?
This is so lame.
When you got another Aruba story or follow up to Princess Di for me, then I'll pay attention.
Damn puss Montel...doesn't know how things work in the real world.


EdJofJupiter
What a stupid farking argument Montel! Get off your soapbox and discuss the topic you were asked about. It's not your show. I'm surprised he didn't jump up and down on the sofa. Farkin attention whore.

He was there to plug his book...they opened the door by asking him about something else and he preficed it by saying he felt for the guys family but....
 
2008-01-31 02:19:31 PM  
He should get an award for that. So of course fox hated it.
 
2008-01-31 02:20:19 PM  
good man. loads of respect for him and his balls
 
2008-01-31 02:21:35 PM  
I can't wait to hear Nancy Grace spend an hour trashing Montel tonight
 
2008-01-31 02:21:43 PM  
As a conservative I do agree with Montel. However singling out Fox for this is very silly as I don't see CNN, MSNBC or any other liberal media outlets listing the names of our troops that die over there as they happen. What I do see them doing is the same 24/7 news coverage every time a white woman disappears or anybody who is even semi-famous dies.

Our news media sucks. It's sad but true.
 
2008-01-31 02:21:47 PM  
Mr. Williams gets it.

As an old Soldier, I appreciate his efforts.

/Salute
 
2008-01-31 02:23:01 PM  
I have no idea who this guy is, I've heard his name but that's about it. That said he rocks. And ratings is not an excuse for a news station. If they change it to fox infotainment then sure do what you want.

It reminds me of Bill O's attacks on Jon Stewart and the response that the show before him is puppets making prank phone calls. People watch TV in context, comedy central for entertainment, news channels for news.
 
2008-01-31 02:23:30 PM  
EdJofJupiter: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

I thought during the Vietnam war they had independent reporters out in the field, displaying unedited footage about the war during prime time television. Now you must go with the military and it must be approved.

Can you please educate the rest of us how now we know much more about the war?
 
2008-01-31 02:24:11 PM  
Brubold: As a conservative I do agree with Montel. However singling out Fox for this is very silly as I don't see CNN, MSNBC or any other liberal media outlets listing the names of our troops that die over there as they happen. What I do see them doing is the same 24/7 news coverage every time a white woman disappears or anybody who is even semi-famous dies.

Our news media sucks. It's sad but true.


Did he just blame fox? I missed that part.
 
2008-01-31 02:25:14 PM  
I was first going to comment on how impractical it would be for the news outlets to feature segments on dead soldiers, since you could basically devote an entire channel to it and still not cover them all (given the number of casualties). It would eventually become monotonous and ratings would drop.

BUT...I wonder if the news began doing that on a at least semi-regular basis, and began putting a very human face on the casualty # = X we see every night, if it might begin to sour public support for the war even more than it already is.

//government conspiracy, I say!
//It's the Jews. They control the media!
 
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