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2008-01-31 08:58:19 AM  
well played, MW
 
2008-01-31 09:07:55 AM  
way to go montel!
 
2008-01-31 09:09:52 AM  
awesome
 
2008-01-31 09:13:10 AM  
MW 4 MJ

Montel speaks the truthiness. He was probably fired because he was an outspoken, pot smoking black man and Rupert's minions got the excuse they needed.
 
2008-01-31 09:14:47 AM  
Of course he was fired, dead soldiers don't sell like a dead celebrity.
 
2008-01-31 09:15:54 AM  
er, is. Any links to more about his firing? I am lazy (this morning)
 
2008-01-31 09:20:03 AM  
Good for him.
 
2008-01-31 09:20:36 AM  
More people should take a stand like he did. Yes, Heath Ledger died and that is sad. But he is not the only person that died that day. Leave him and his family alone and focus on something else, like a young man who died for his country and still remains nameless. (or lots of young men) How does this become news?
 
2008-01-31 09:21:58 AM  
*applause*
 
2008-01-31 09:26:53 AM  
I agree w/ the truthiness, but when getting paid to do a job, there's a time and a place . . .
 
2008-01-31 09:29:13 AM  
dogdaze: I agree w/ the truthiness, but when getting paid to do a job, there's a time and a place . . .

He was there to promote a book, so he was probably not getting paid. They turned the interview away from his book and into commentary about Heath Ledger.
 
2008-01-31 09:30:50 AM  
After seeing this, my respect for Montel has increased 100 fold.

Montel, you da' man!
 
2008-01-31 09:35:10 AM  
can i be you when i grow up: dogdaze: I agree w/ the truthiness, but when getting paid to do a job, there's a time and a place . . .

He was there to promote a book, so he was probably not getting paid. They turned the interview away from his book and into commentary about Heath Ledger.


That being the case, he still chose poorly in his response. Now, he has one less place (and one that is very high in the ratings category) to promote his product.

I'm sure Montel would agree that everything in lfe is a trade-off of some sorts and it's all about striking the right balance that suits your needs and desires.
 
2008-01-31 09:39:37 AM  
Montel does not care about promoting his book on morning talk shows. His own show is highly rated, and his book is mentioned 3 or 4 times a show, he is getting all the publicity he needs.

That being said, even if he was there to promote the book they are the ones who took it off subject, he just decided that if it was going to be off subject that it was going to be on his terms, not theirs.
 
2008-01-31 09:47:52 AM  
I don't think Montel works for FOX. Anyway, good for him. I feel sorry for Heath Ledger and his loved ones, but let's put things in perspective for crying out loud.
 
2008-01-31 09:54:34 AM  
Good job, Montel.

/don't feel sorry for heath ledger
//feel sorry for his kid he left behind
///feel sorry about the tragedies of this war
 
2008-01-31 10:02:38 AM  
i loved the "but...but...but the ratings!!"

this reminds me of when owen wilson tried to commit suicide and told the media to leave him alone. what did the media do? parroted for a week about how he wanted to be left alone.

::facepalm::

montel wins.
 
2008-01-31 12:15:43 PM  
Well, now we don't have Sylvia Browne and her witchiness trying to convince anyone of her "psychic powers". I really hope she dies soon.
 
2008-01-31 12:43:02 PM  
We have to tear Montel down or the troops will have died for nothing.
 
2008-01-31 12:47:21 PM  
Nabb1: I don't think Montel works for FOX.

FOX carried him in NY and LA. They dropped him, I wonder why. WaPost LINK
 
2008-01-31 01:17:37 PM  
For those of us that have YouTube blocked at work, can we get a quick summary?
 
2008-01-31 01:19:04 PM  
dogdaze
Now, he has one less place (and one that is very high in the ratings category) to promote his product.

FoxNews ratings are dropping like a brick right now - they're certainly not the powerhouse they used to be.
 
2008-01-31 01:19:26 PM  
Feeding the beast.

We are the beast.
 
2008-01-31 01:21:30 PM  
Spindle: For those of us that have YouTube blocked at work, can we get a quick summary?

Basically, Montel took the FOX hosts to task for making such a big deal out of one actor's death and barely taking about the deaths of US soldiers (as in, stating the soldier's name, spending 13 mins or so discussing his accomplishments and his life). He told them (and I am not quoting) that they ought to admit they were acting like a tabloid.

Never respected the man until today. He was pretty relentless.
 
2008-01-31 01:21:57 PM  
Montel couldn't name the soldier who died yesterday either. BUT, he manned up and said he was disgusted with himself, too. His self-disgust is unnecessary because he TRIED to find out the name, which is more than any of the others on the panel did. Also, since when is Ledger an "icon"? Since he died? Is that all it takes?
 
2008-01-31 01:22:22 PM  
Spindle
For those of us that have YouTube blocked at work, can we get a quick summary?


The segment was suppose to be about Montel's reaction to Heath Ledger's death, but he wanted to focus instead on the 28 soldiers who have been killed in Iraq since 1/1/08.
 
2008-01-31 01:23:02 PM  
FOX and Friends are supreme assholes.
 
2008-01-31 01:23:29 PM  
scseth: Feeding the beast.

We are the beast.


I think the beast is not too picky. It would eat whatever the media fed it, so why not feed it good food?

Celebrity gossip = McDonald's
Serious news = filet mignon

Wouldn't you rather have steak?
 
2008-01-31 01:23:30 PM  
Spindle: For those of us that have YouTube blocked at work, can we get a quick summary?

Fox morning hosts: Lets talk about the death of Keith Ledger.
Montel: No, lets talk about the deaths everyone is ignoring. The troops.
 
2008-01-31 01:25:12 PM  
Montel Williams also consistently has cold readers on his show.
So, Montel, aren't those dead soldiers still available for consulting?
 
2008-01-31 01:26:20 PM  
Well done Mr. Williams...
 
2008-01-31 01:26:33 PM  
This is so silly. The reason Ledger was the topic and not one (or more) of the soldiers who died the day before was because Ledger was known to millions of people worldwide, while a random soldier might be known to a few hundred if he is lucky.

Talking about Ledger on that day does not mean that Ledger is somehow more "important" than a dead soldier (he is obviously not). It is only about how many people the dead person is known to. Mission accomplished on Montel's part though, he has managed to appear to be noble and concerned while lacking critical thought.

/yes I've been to Iraq a few times
 
2008-01-31 01:26:54 PM  
Control_this: Nabb1: I don't think Montel works for FOX.

FOX carried him in NY and LA. They dropped him, I wonder why. WaPost LINK


So do I. It wasn't this; it was probably ratings. I don't know about the LA station, but Montel had only been on Fox in NY for a year -- prior to that he was on Channel 9, sort of a regional "superstation" which has been independent, a WB and is now a MyNetwork affiliate.
 
2008-01-31 01:27:25 PM  
Heath Ledger didn't volunteer to be a human shield.
 
2008-01-31 01:27:39 PM  
I wouldn't cross montel, he'll blow up your house
 
2008-01-31 01:28:47 PM  
Go completely off topic with political rhetoric on Fark: you're a threadshiatter at best, a troll at worst.

Do it on Fox News: you're a hero.

Glad we cleared that up.
 
2008-01-31 01:29:12 PM  
duckpoopy: Heath Ledger didn't volunteer to be a human shield.

he volunteered to be a human pill container
 
2008-01-31 01:30:06 PM  
I already respected him a lot for his stance on drugs especially medical marijuana. I guess now I can respect him even more.
 
2008-01-31 01:31:16 PM  
Oh please people. there's a time and place for everything. Those who think TV news is a public service need to realize that news is a business and looks to make profits. Dead celebrities attract viewers.

I don't agree with the ethics, I just realize that Television is a business and we can't expect "ethics" from them.

Montel bit the hand that fed him. And that's ok if you're looking for something else to feed you.

/sort of drunk
 
2008-01-31 01:31:39 PM  
He is right and he is wrong. He is right in the sense that troops dying is more important than Heath Ledger dying but what ISN'T more important than that. He is wrong in the sense that you cannot cover anything else. Montell is doing a show with a friggin psychic tomorrow. I mean come one
 
2008-01-31 01:31:45 PM  
SardonicAvenger: Go completely off topic with political rhetoric on Fark: you're a threadshiatter at best, a troll at worst.

Do it on Fox News: you're a hero.

Glad we cleared that up.



It's Not News.. It's Fox
 
2008-01-31 01:34:04 PM  
scseth: Feeding the beast.

We are the beast.


That blonde hosebeast pissed me off with that.

Did you notice how the video started? "Way too soon, a tragedy, a major one." About Heath Ledger.
 
2008-01-31 01:34:05 PM  
Good for MW. Fark Fox news, all that assholes talk about is Iran this, Iran that....
 
2008-01-31 01:34:15 PM  
24-hour news channels are vapid at 8pm. Add that to the complete Kindergarten nonsense that is morning news shows, and you get this.

I wonder what Montel was originally coming on to talk about before Heath died.
 
2008-01-31 01:34:31 PM  
HERO tag required.
 
2008-01-31 01:34:45 PM  
reminds me of when tommy Chong was asked for his insight on the Paris Hilton jail story months back.

Or Dave Chappelle's stand up bit about MTV getting Ja Rule's thoughts shortly after 9-11.

Why get a boring expert on the subject when you can get a name that people know and will tune in for!
 
2008-01-31 01:35:18 PM  
Because ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, etc., NEVER have celebrity gossip programming.

/Anybody who pimps out Sylvia Brown as hard as he does doesn't merit the badge of 'journalist'.
 
2008-01-31 01:37:05 PM  
4NSpy: reminds me of when tommy Chong was asked for his insight on the Paris Hilton jail story months back.

How sad is it that Montel Williams and Tommy Chong have shown exponentially more perspective on current events than the entire mainstream newsmedia?
 
2008-01-31 01:38:09 PM  
Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???
 
2008-01-31 01:39:23 PM  
SardonicAvenger: Go completely off topic with political rhetoric on Fark: you're a threadshiatter at best, a troll at worst.

Do it on Fox News: you're a hero.

Glad we cleared that up.


Because millions of people are watching you every time you post on FARK.

Actually... I kind of like the idea of you believing that.
 
2008-01-31 01:40:39 PM  
Montel brought something to the surface...our society's desperate desire to know every single piece of information on the people we give celebrity status to...can you imagine a world where nobody gives a fark about Paris & Perez?

take down hollywood and its falsehoods, it would prolly solve global warming
 
2008-01-31 01:41:59 PM  
scseth: Feeding the beast.

We are the beast.


Montel: Cart before the horse.
Horse before the cart.
I don't know who's driving.


+1 fer subby.

My respect for Montel went up several notches all at once there.

Luffed the way FOX went to the the split screen and showed Heath in Brokeback as Montel continued to hold forth on his chosen topic. Part of the strategy of keeping American losses in Iraq "acceptable" is to never remind people of them. MW's attempt to rectify that situation by taking the time that was to be spent on an already overly discussed celebutard's death to talk about the underly mentioned deaths of troops in Iraq was nothing but net. I assume that when they came back from commecial Montel was no longer on set.

Here's the backstory, btw.

After 17 years, "The Montel Williams Show" will cease production in May.

The syndicated show, known for uplifting personal stories and psychic readings, was up for renewal at the end of this season. Variety reports that key Fox-owned stations opted not to extend their contracts.


Basically FOX shiat-canned him after 17 years and then invited him on Fox's Morning Show when he was still pretty pissed about it. Well, nobody ever sed they were a pack of Rhodes scholars over at Fox.

Wot did they think was gonna happen?
 
2008-01-31 01:43:25 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???


Ummm yeah... that's what his show is all about. He is basically busting on them for acting like him. They are supposed to be news not fluff...

Now we can blame Monty and his ilk for putting an addictive chemical in this type of trash that makes John Q Dumbass crave it fortnightly...
 
2008-01-31 01:44:40 PM  
Is he saying that Ledger death should not be covered?
 
2008-01-31 01:44:41 PM  
Bloody William
That blonde hosebeast pissed me off with that.

But is she right? Is Fox News feeding crap to society to create an appetite, or a mirror of the appetite society has?
 
2008-01-31 01:45:39 PM  
The conversation should have been something like this...

Montel: "What I want to know is, why am I on here talking about Ledger when you could have a soldier on here instead, one who is sacrificing himself for the nation etc. What is really important in this nation?"

Fox News Guy: "um...you have a book you want to plug...and stuff."

Montel: "Ah, right...well, then, carry on"
 
2008-01-31 01:46:12 PM  
Motel has completely earned my respect here.
 
2008-01-31 01:46:45 PM  
I like how defenseless the FoxNews hosts are. The three of them were blindsided and paralyzed with stupidity. It was as if nobody ever warned them an articulate person could invade their inner sanctum and have his say.

All they had to do was ask Montel how many drug overdoses in the US since January 1.
 
2008-01-31 01:47:04 PM  
scseth:

But is she right? Is Fox News feeding crap to society to create an appetite, or a mirror of the appetite society has?


I think the appetite is there. What are the most read magazines in the US?
 
2008-01-31 01:47:36 PM  
way to go montel, I like him now
 
2008-01-31 01:47:37 PM  
4NSpy: I wouldn't cross montel, he'll blow up your house

If I was killed in the explosion, would Montel talk about me?
 
2008-01-31 01:47:51 PM  
One of those forbidden subjects at Fox - the human cost of the occupation.
 
2008-01-31 01:50:04 PM  
Control_this: I like how defenseless the FoxNews hosts are. The three of them were blindsided and paralyzed with stupidity. It was as if nobody ever warned them an articulate person could invade their inner sanctum and have his say.



How were they defenseless? I mean the host mentioned their coverage, asked the question about horse vs. cart, explained why they covered it. I thought it was a pretty good exchange.
 
2008-01-31 01:51:32 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???


I see what you're getting at, but do you really think a "news" channel and "talk show" should be held to the same standards? Isn't it depressing that it's so hard to tell the difference anymore?

Anyway like I said, I would argue this was the correct platform to say something and try and wake the audience up: "this is not a tragedy, this is some rich actor with a drug problem, the death of our servicemen is a tragedy; put this into perspective."

The topics of Heath Ledger, or Britney, or Paris -- these are TALK SHOW topics. But here we are, it's infotainment, it's what sells. America is as addicted to infotainment as Heath (allegedly) was to drugs, now THAT'S a tragedy.
 
2008-01-31 01:51:52 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Is he saying that Ledger death should not be covered?

They've covered it. It's sad. These things happen and there's nothing we can do about it.
Meanwhile, there's more pertinent things going on that we CAN do something about.

I have an ear infection and a broken leg. If I ask the doctor to fix my leg first, it doesn't mean I wish to go deaf.

media5.dropshots.com
 
2008-01-31 01:53:30 PM  
wow, montel made a ton of sense.

he's just said what myself and many many others have been thinking, and he said it very well.

good one montel.
 
2008-01-31 01:55:31 PM  
If the world were just and fair, Montel would be a much bigger deal in this world.

He's a good man.
 
2008-01-31 01:55:46 PM  
quatchi: Basically FOX shiat-canned him after 17 years and then invited him on Fox's Morning Show when he was still pretty pissed about it. Well, nobody ever sed they were a pack of Rhodes scholars over at Fox.

Wot did they think was gonna happen?


I don't think Fox (or any organization that gigantic) is one big giant head that knows what every part is doing at all times. I doubt seriously that the booking guy at Fox and Friends knew that Montel had been dropped by the booking guy at a non-cable affiliate.
 
2008-01-31 01:56:38 PM  
Hideously Gigantic Smurf:

They've covered it. It's sad. These things happen and there's nothing we can do about it.
Meanwhile, there's more pertinent things going on that we CAN do something about.

I have an ear infection and a broken leg. If I ask the doctor to fix my leg first, it doesn't mean I wish to go deaf.


Uhmmmmmmm OK so when can they cover it?
 
2008-01-31 01:57:14 PM  
Hmmm...what to think, what to think.

I always thought this guy was just another run of the mill tool (an example of this was that story a way back where he got all "tough guy" on that high school reporter), after this Fox thing I now have some respect for him.

Maybe he's just a normal guy capable of being both a dick and a cool guy.
 
2008-01-31 01:57:41 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me. Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???

Montel has a talk show. Crackpots and psychics are part of that game.

Fox is (allegedly) a news network. Dead soldiers should be > dead celebrities. The fact that they aren't was his point.
 
2008-01-31 01:58:54 PM  
I like how that blonde chick tried to play smart and threw out phrases like "feeding the beast"... Montowned!

I guess, in the very least, it was surprising the Fox didn't suddenly go blank, then pop up the "We Are Experiencing Technical Difficulties" graphic.

Either way, Montel is my new hero. I used to (and still do) think his show was pretty lame, but at least he's honest.
 
2008-01-31 02:01:16 PM  
Da REV: Montel brought something to the surface...our society's desperate desire to know every single piece of information on the people we give celebrity status to...can you imagine a world where nobody gives a fark about Paris & Perez?

take down hollywood and its falsehoods, it would prolly solve global warming


perez?
 
2008-01-31 02:01:31 PM  
28 troops that died in iraq since january 1? how many died to drunk drivers? to handguns in the US?

http://www.odmp.org/year.php

13 cops died in january too. considering the difficulties in iraq... 28 dead is a lot lower than in could be.

considering the military difficulties this administration has kept the number of deaths very low.... a full order of magnitude lower that vietnam, and no draft. occupations are inherently very dangerous...

now, i disagree with the war because iraq was indeed not a wmd threat and i dont believe the iraqi people want the kind of democrazy that america offers. but i recognize and respect the military accomplishments achieved... including keeping the american casualty count down.
 
2008-01-31 02:01:39 PM  
scseth: Bloody William
That blonde hosebeast pissed me off with that.

But is she right? Is Fox News feeding crap to society to create an appetite, or a mirror of the appetite society has?


There are at least two schools of thought here. The first is that people will eat what's put in front of them most days. Which is to say that professional journalists have a standard to uphold and that if they do their jobs properly people will tune in anyways. Quatchi calls this the Broccolli Theory of Mainstream news.

The Junk Food Theory states that the LCD is a really low number and that NILFs reading fluff pieces about celebutards with splashy graphics and thumping music in the background will pull in the punters better than any other method.

All MSM is in the business of selling soap first and foremost. Secondly, they are there to shape the national debate. The difference between FOX and other news networks like the difference between the NY Post and the NYT is that the former are more obviously beating the retards among us over the head with a hammer in order to get the gist of their propaganda into people's heads while the latter uses more sophisticated methodology and more subtle and refined propaganda in order to do so.

Shaping public opinion under the guise of reflecting it.
Information of a sort, and always with an agenda.
Dumbing down a nation while manufacturing consent and selling soap.
...and always twirling twirling twirling.

Sadly, Fox's ratings would suggest that America is a "Junk Food Nation" who's citizenry are overly prone to be sucked into the sensationalised non-news of Faux News over more traditional and rational news sources.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:07 PM  
Watching this, I thought for a few seconds he was going to show care for the dead soldiers but completely not care of Heath's tragic death. But seeing that he showed condolence, I decided to listen to him.

He made several good points in his statements. Sadly, they won't be strong enough to get through FOX's thick skull.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:09 PM  
Hang On Voltaire:

Uhmmmmmmm OK so when can they cover it?


they can cover it all day, but to pretend to be a serious news organization, with their outward hyper-patriotism in particular is a joke and montel called them on it.

fox is half WH propaganda and half tabloid news IMO.

not that cnn or msnbc are on the ball mind you.

these 'news' outlets talk about celebrities like this guy and spears right after they talk about McCain's body language and Obama's hillary snub. news? not so much.

someone who gets their news exclusively from the major tv outlets would be incredibly uninformed on the major issues of the day.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:32 PM  
SardonicAvenger: Go completely off topic with political rhetoric on Fark: you're a threadshiatter at best, a troll at worst.

Do it on Fox News: you're a hero.

Glad we cleared that up.


You kind of missed the point there. Montel was making it painfully clear that we are ignoring real news in our bread and circuses obsession with celebrity. The networks claim that they push their pablum for ratings but they've also taken a huge hit in viewership among some demographics for pretty much precisely that reason.
 
2008-01-31 02:03:33 PM  
Brian Kilmeade is the dumbest man in America.
 
2008-01-31 02:05:49 PM  
unexplained bacon:
they can cover it all day, but to pretend to be a serious news organization, with their outward hyper-patriotism in particular is a joke and montel called them on it.


So because they covered Ledger's death they are not a legitimate news org?
 
2008-01-31 02:06:05 PM  
Wow.

A moral talk show host. Good for him.
 
2008-01-31 02:06:58 PM  
Montel=come watch my show, I speak the truth.

/gimme a break
//facepalm
 
2008-01-31 02:07:22 PM  
I remember a few years back when some dead soldiers photos were posted one after the other.... they got accused of exploiting the troops. Always seemed to me, you show the young man or woman who lost their life you are making people see them and honor them... think about them. But the fact is these conservative, war supporters don;t want you to really see.... just support the troops...In other words keep supporting their war.

I have my slant on this, for sure. But whatever Montel thinks... he was trying to do the right thing. This is really what support the troops looks like...
 
2008-01-31 02:08:13 PM  
Montel got it right on this particular topic. Having said that: pot, kettle, black and all that. MW is no saint when it comes to schilling crap on his own program.
 
2008-01-31 02:09:08 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Hideously Gigantic Smurf:

They've covered it. It's sad. These things happen and there's nothing we can do about it.
Meanwhile, there's more pertinent things going on that we CAN do something about.

I have an ear infection and a broken leg. If I ask the doctor to fix my leg first, it doesn't mean I wish to go deaf.

Uhmmmmmmm OK so when can they cover it?


They...

Already...

Have.

Do you get it now or do I have to try and translate that into Teletubbie speak?
 
2008-01-31 02:11:03 PM  
Wait...Heath Ledger died?
 
2008-01-31 02:11:06 PM  
Ophelia's Snorkel: Spindle: For those of us that have YouTube blocked at work, can we get a quick summary?

Basically, Montel took the FOX hosts to task for making such a big deal out of one actor's death and barely taking about the deaths of US soldiers (as in, stating the soldier's name, spending 13 mins or so discussing his accomplishments and his life). He told them (and I am not quoting) that they ought to admit they were acting like a tabloid.

Never respected the man until today. He was pretty relentless.


I don't think that is why they canned him, but what he said x1000.

the sad thing is though news shows that skip all that crap get worse ratings. I don't know anyone who says they follow them , but they get ratings.

You can't blame fox or CNN or BBC. There are links on all of their websites for most clicked headline and world's biggest dog meeting world's smallest, what celebrity is in rehab, etc are always the top.

Once we made news short and sweet so you don;t need an attention span it was dumbed down to the lowest common denoominator.
 
2008-01-31 02:11:24 PM  
karmachameleon: Montel got it right on this particular topic. Having said that: pot, kettle, black and all that. MW is no saint when it comes to schilling crap on his own program.

Yup.
 
2008-01-31 02:11:34 PM  
I can't say I like Montel, but I did like what he did and he's totally right about how farked up it is to focus so much time on some rich guy with a drug habit instead of people dying in a stupid war.
 
2008-01-31 02:14:08 PM  
Manfred J. Hattan: quatchi: Basically FOX shiat-canned him after 17 years and then invited him on Fox's Morning Show when he was still pretty pissed about it. Well, nobody ever sed they were a pack of Rhodes scholars over at Fox.

Wot did they think was gonna happen?

I don't think Fox (or any organization that gigantic) is one big giant head that knows what every part is doing at all times. I doubt seriously that the booking guy at Fox and Friends knew that Montel had been dropped by the booking guy at a non-cable affiliate.


Maybe they knew and they were hoping for sparks to fly because of it or maybe they didn't know and they inadvertently let an angry black man on the air on their hopelessly lame morning show but either way some interesting teevee was the result.

EoJ: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

Actually, since the television war ie Vietnam the US Military have learned a lot more about how to control the images that the nation gets to see in order to keep public opinion of the effort as high as possible. Iraq has been called the "video game" war for very good reason. Most Americans only get to see it from high above where laser guided missiles always get their target and civilian casualities are only addressed in passing. People who live in the ME get a much clearer picture than folks in the US. Now granted this has a lot to do with the fact that western journalists take their lives in their own hands trying to cover this war and that Al Jazeera and others can more easily film the human costs at ground level but that's not the only reason for the disconnect.

That's just "how it works"
 
2008-01-31 02:17:47 PM  
What?....
No missing white girls....?
This is so lame.
When you got another Aruba story or follow up to Princess Di for me, then I'll pay attention.
Damn puss Montel...doesn't know how things work in the real world.


EdJofJupiter
What a stupid farking argument Montel! Get off your soapbox and discuss the topic you were asked about. It's not your show. I'm surprised he didn't jump up and down on the sofa. Farkin attention whore.

He was there to plug his book...they opened the door by asking him about something else and he preficed it by saying he felt for the guys family but....
 
2008-01-31 02:19:31 PM  
He should get an award for that. So of course fox hated it.
 
2008-01-31 02:20:19 PM  
good man. loads of respect for him and his balls
 
2008-01-31 02:21:35 PM  
I can't wait to hear Nancy Grace spend an hour trashing Montel tonight
 
2008-01-31 02:21:43 PM  
As a conservative I do agree with Montel. However singling out Fox for this is very silly as I don't see CNN, MSNBC or any other liberal media outlets listing the names of our troops that die over there as they happen. What I do see them doing is the same 24/7 news coverage every time a white woman disappears or anybody who is even semi-famous dies.

Our news media sucks. It's sad but true.
 
2008-01-31 02:21:47 PM  
Mr. Williams gets it.

As an old Soldier, I appreciate his efforts.

/Salute
 
2008-01-31 02:23:01 PM  
I have no idea who this guy is, I've heard his name but that's about it. That said he rocks. And ratings is not an excuse for a news station. If they change it to fox infotainment then sure do what you want.

It reminds me of Bill O's attacks on Jon Stewart and the response that the show before him is puppets making prank phone calls. People watch TV in context, comedy central for entertainment, news channels for news.
 
2008-01-31 02:23:30 PM  
EdJofJupiter: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

I thought during the Vietnam war they had independent reporters out in the field, displaying unedited footage about the war during prime time television. Now you must go with the military and it must be approved.

Can you please educate the rest of us how now we know much more about the war?
 
2008-01-31 02:24:11 PM  
Brubold: As a conservative I do agree with Montel. However singling out Fox for this is very silly as I don't see CNN, MSNBC or any other liberal media outlets listing the names of our troops that die over there as they happen. What I do see them doing is the same 24/7 news coverage every time a white woman disappears or anybody who is even semi-famous dies.

Our news media sucks. It's sad but true.


Did he just blame fox? I missed that part.
 
2008-01-31 02:25:14 PM  
I was first going to comment on how impractical it would be for the news outlets to feature segments on dead soldiers, since you could basically devote an entire channel to it and still not cover them all (given the number of casualties). It would eventually become monotonous and ratings would drop.

BUT...I wonder if the news began doing that on a at least semi-regular basis, and began putting a very human face on the casualty # = X we see every night, if it might begin to sour public support for the war even more than it already is.

//government conspiracy, I say!
//It's the Jews. They control the media!
 
2008-01-31 02:27:14 PM  
howdyyall9999: Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???

Ummm yeah... that's what his show is all about. He is basically busting on them for acting like him. They are supposed to be news not fluff


Must...not...pee...pants...with...laughter...and...disturb...coworkers​...
 
2008-01-31 02:28:26 PM  
Hero tag must be taking the day off
 
2008-01-31 02:28:42 PM  
You know what I liked about that? Montell Williams did not attack anyone, did not blame anyone, but simply made a point that needed to be made. He was clear, and stayed on the topic he wanted to.

I tell you, good job on him. It's nice to see someone think of others once in a while, especially when those others are actively protecting us.
 
2008-01-31 02:30:39 PM  
Corvus: Brubold: As a conservative I do agree with Montel. However singling out Fox for this is very silly as I don't see CNN, MSNBC or any other liberal media outlets listing the names of our troops that die over there as they happen. What I do see them doing is the same 24/7 news coverage every time a white woman disappears or anybody who is even semi-famous dies.

Our news media sucks. It's sad but true.

Did he just blame fox? I missed that part.


I think Brubold is talking about the many folks in this thread singling out FOX. Any chance to bash FOX, I guess.
 
2008-01-31 02:31:51 PM  
Oh, yeah. Montel is correct, too.

It's all about ratings for ALL of the networks.
 
2008-01-31 02:34:10 PM  
Montel is da man!
funnypart.com
 
2008-01-31 02:35:47 PM  
Bewbies would love to know how this soon-to-be-has-been gets off with that sort of behavior, when he constantly has Sylvia Brown on his show.

Link (new window)

Motel: Why is it you're entertaining a farking 'psychic' on your show, rather than preaching to your audience about the soldier that died that day? You seem to have gotten quite righteous since Fox decided to nix your show.

douche.
 
2008-01-31 02:37:00 PM  
DanUFfan: I think Brubold is talking about the many folks in this thread singling out FOX. Any chance to bash FOX, I guess.

They are all bad. CNN is horrible with Nancy Grace. She is probably one of the worst about this subject. And accusing people of murder from her desk with her arm chair detective is just sick.

But FOX does probably run this crap the most hours of the day of any of these stations.

Most of the 24 hours news channels are all crap. I think the BBC has a good news program. I mostly just read multiple sources on the net.
 
2008-01-31 02:38:22 PM  
kid_icarus: I was first going to comment on how impractical it would be for the news outlets to feature segments on dead soldiers, since you could basically devote an entire channel to it and still not cover them all (given the number of casualties). It would eventually become monotonous and ratings would drop.

BUT...I wonder if the news began doing that on a at least semi-regular basis, and began putting a very human face on the casualty # = X we see every night, if it might begin to sour public support for the war even more than it already is.

//government conspiracy, I say!
//It's the Jews. They control the media!


This was the point Mr. Williams was making. We know more about the American Idol contestants than that of those who have died serving or country.

It would mean a lot to the families of those lost if even a little air time was given commemorate the life of their loved one.

Imagine if a young mother was able to record a short news segment about her lost husband so she could show it to her children once they were old enough to understand.
 
2008-01-31 02:39:51 PM  
Good for him. Someone's got to say this shiat and bring it to the forefront.
 
2008-01-31 02:40:10 PM  
equilibrium:
Montel was making it painfully clear that we are ignoring real news in our bread and circuses obsession with celebrity. The networks claim that they push their pablum for ratings but they've also taken a huge hit in viewership among some demographics for pretty much precisely that reason.



They push their pablum to keep Americans distracted from what is really going on, particularly in the Mid-East. There's a simple reason for that, and it has nothing to do with ratings - they did fine with the ratings when every major TV news network was marching us into war with lies they could easily have disproved (as Knight Ridder and very few others did.) Hint, Knight Ridder wasn't controlled by bat-shiat crazy Mid-Easterners. I think it is now though, they were bought - can't have somebody doing their job and making them look bad.

The problem is that American TV news is DOMINATED by one party to the mess which is the Mid-East: strident Zionists. It is why Palestinian casualties are reported at 1/100th the rate of Israeli deaths, although those casualties fall disproportionately on the Palestinians. It is why they ALL lied to us in the run up to the Iraq invasion.

And they will do it again. They will do it as many times as they are allowed to get away with it.

Celebrity is the False Idol they would have us worship, while they go about the business of walling people off into ghettos and slowly starving them. While they lure the world's greatest superpower into a fight in their backyard.

95% of TV news in this country comes from organizations either owned or operated by members of one religion, one culture, and one very specific political point of view. That's why, depsite all of the supposed differences, CNN, ABC and Fox ALL told you the same lies about Iraq. The "liberal media" and Fox both sold you the same bill of goods.

I am NOT saying that Jews can't be trusted, or that they should not own and operate news media outlets. I am saying that it is DANGEROUS as hell to have all of it controlled and owned by ONE group. I seriously doubt that the people of Israel would be very happy if all of their news came from Christians, especially if they were all Christians of a particular political stripe, a stripe which centered on a nation other than Israel.

Zionists, as meant by me, means those who will not even consider pre-'67 border, Jerusalem or the Territories as being on the table. They are dangerous and they are mad.

And they are telling you what to believe, daily.

Jeffrey Zucker, CEO NBC TV
Robert Iger, CEO ABC
Leslie Moonves, CEO CBS, grandnephew of David Ben Gurion
Jonathon Klein, CEO CNN
Peter F. Chernin, President and COO FOX

Any one of these not a Zionist?
Any one of these not controlling a US media major?

/Jew
//Anti-Zionist
///American
 
2008-01-31 02:41:24 PM  
Bewbies: Bewbies would love to know how this soon-to-be-has-been gets off with that sort of behavior, when he constantly has Sylvia Brown on his show.

There is no such thing are as 'heroes' there is only just people with heroic moments.

You really have to refer yourself in the third person?

He's not a "soon-to-be-has-been" he has been a has been for quit awhile now. Not sure how that makes any point.

It seems to me there are a lot of people in the world who just attack people and don't ever care about making a valid point.
 
2008-01-31 02:42:01 PM  
I get all my news from Fark. It is a bastion of informed debate. A certain farker (known for his quotes) is an intellectual god. I am humbled to even be allowed to log in, much less comment.

/actually, this place is pretty good
 
2008-01-31 02:43:11 PM  
I admire Montel for his stance. I don't think he should have been fired, who should be fired are the Fox news commentators for their failure to facilitate an easy(er) discussion. I mean they get paid to look pretty stare into a camera and conduct and direct conversation, right? William's was able to bowl them over..


/the Cult of celebrity needs to DIAF
 
2008-01-31 02:44:49 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: unexplained bacon:
they can cover it all day, but to pretend to be a serious news organization, with their outward hyper-patriotism in particular is a joke and montel called them on it.

So because they covered Ledger's death they are not a legitimate news org?


that coverage is a symptom of the disease.

I think fox is the worst, but not by much. the point I was trying to make applies to cnn, msnbc, and fox. they simply spend way to much time on tabloid news, and when they are dealing with actual news they manage to cover it like a tabloid.

on msnbc this morning they had someone review mccain and romney's body language and they've recently spent a lot of time talking about that ONE photo that might show what appears to be obama snubbing hillary. maybe it's just me, but I don't think that's news. it's more like gossip about news.

they could talk about the actual issues in the republican debate, but they went with a body language expert, and they could talk about the differences between obama and hillary's positions on important issues, but they talk about some irrelevant perceived snub that doesn't matter. it's just not news IMO. I have to look elsewhere to get the facts I'm interested in because you wont find them on the major news networks.
 
2008-01-31 02:47:09 PM  
duckpoopy: Heath Ledger didn't volunteer to be a human shield.

Most of the people in Iraq signed up before the invasion. Many are reservists but more importantly most are actively trying to get out but keep getting stop-gapped. Some might have joined because they wanted to kill some arabs and get themselves blown up but I highly doubt it's more than a couple bad apples, most are being victimized
 
2008-01-31 02:48:00 PM  
This is why I don't listen to/watch the news anymore, I get it online.

Here at work, I listen to a radio station that has CNN hourly news. They have devoted coverage to American Idol! What is wrong with that picture. Every hour I have to hear about how Idol was in podunk town USA, and had some really bad contestants. Today it was all about Brittney and going to the hospital.

Give me coverage on the fed rate drops, the war in iraq, the stock market, please, anything but Celeb stuff. What's even worse, I have to listen to everyone in my office talk about what happened last night on Idol as well.

\Loves being able to get news online
\\Filters Entertainment news out
\\\Loves the slashies
 
2008-01-31 02:50:08 PM  
Amen Montel.

So much for the so called patriots on Fox.
 
2008-01-31 02:50:23 PM  
I heard maybe he knew his contract was canceled before his appearance, so since he had nothing to lose...

rumor or rumour, you decide.
 
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2008-01-31 02:50:23 PM  
unexplained bacon: I think fox is the worst, but not by much. the point I was trying to make applies to cnn, msnbc, and fox. they simply spend way to much time on tabloid news, and when they are dealing with actual news they manage to cover it like a tabloid.

All my life I've wished that the news readers would not spend one third of their show telling me who threw the ball the most yesterday.

/bread and circuses
 
2008-01-31 02:50:33 PM  
Bewbies: Good point, though I think his message was more one of, Why the Fark are we paying so much attention to Heath Ledgers death, why is this guy better than everyone else. I don't think we should be running a new story about every single soldier who died, but I also don't think the news should spend more than 5 minutes reporting on Health Ledger. In todays news, Health Ledger died, for more information check out website or watch Entertainment Tonight where this belongs.
 
2008-01-31 02:56:08 PM  
Corvus
It seems to me there are a lot of people in the world who just attack people and don't ever care about making a valid point.

Sorry if the point I made wasn't as defined as I thought. What I'm saying, is that he has the effrontery to come on someone else's show under the pretense of promoting his book, and use the slightest deviation to springboard himself atop a soapbox. Additionally, he's accusing the hosts (and the media in general) of catering to what the public wants - "Feeding the beast." - rather than catering to their own obligations as media icons.

Sounds well and good, aside from that fact that Montell constantly has stupid guests and topics for his show, rather than spouting this kind of self-righteous garbage. Sylvia Brown, the "Is there a cure for homosexuality?" episodes .. He has absolutely no room to talk. He's just as guilty - if not more - of "feeding the beast".

Speaking in third person is a means of entertaining myself.
 
2008-01-31 02:57:56 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???

Montel's program isn't intended to be the news. It's about psychics and baby-daddys and out of control teens who dress sexy. Fox News is, on the other hand, a news channel. I'd say their obligation to cover Iraq casualties is slightly higher than that of the Montel Williams Show.
 
2008-01-31 03:04:10 PM  
kid_icarus: BUT...I wonder if the news began doing that on a at least semi-regular basis, and began putting a very human face on the casualty # = X we see every night, if it might begin to sour public support for the war even more than it already is.

I think the decision that affects the public's response to the war the most was to outlaw media coverage of the returning American dead. A brilliant political move. A despicable act of cowardice. Everything would be different if it weren't for that, IMHO.
 
2008-01-31 03:05:51 PM  
ILostMyPassword: It reminds me of Bill O's attacks on Jon Stewart and the response that the show before him is puppets making prank phone calls. People watch TV in context, comedy central for entertainment, news channels for news.

That was the Crossfire guys. Tucker Carlson and...I don't recall the other's name.

Jon got them both fired.
 
2008-01-31 03:07:30 PM  
WiteBuddha: Da REV: Montel brought something to the surface...our society's desperate desire to know every single piece of information on the people we give celebrity status to...can you imagine a world where nobody gives a fark about Paris & Perez?

take down hollywood and its falsehoods, it would prolly solve global warming

perez?


the incredible human douchebag Perez Hilton
 
2008-01-31 03:08:34 PM  
Two things:

1) You see much more celebrity gossip and talky stuff in the morning and during the day. Who watches TV then? You got it. TV news knows demographics just like the rest of TV.

2) Were I an amoral, disgusting TV exec wishing to be a propaganda mouthpiece, I would capitalize on this. Have people come on regularly and be "angry prophets denouncing the hypocrisies of our times." It would be great reverse psychology, painting that person as a loony/outsider/whatever.

/Network for the farking win
 
2008-01-31 03:09:50 PM  
Neeek:
That was the Crossfire guys. Tucker Carlson and...I don't recall the other's name.

Jon got them both fired.


Paul Begala
 
2008-01-31 03:11:12 PM  
Neeek: ILostMyPassword: It reminds me of Bill O's attacks on Jon Stewart and the response that the show before him is puppets making prank phone calls. People watch TV in context, comedy central for entertainment, news channels for news.

That was the Crossfire guys. Tucker Carlson and...I don't recall the other's name.


The dictionary uses the vid as the definition of 'awesome'.
Jon Stewart on Crossfire (new window)

Sorta makes Montel's attempt seem sort of second rate, but admirable nonetheless.
 
2008-01-31 03:14:40 PM  
that was good, and it is true. but i didn't see where he was booted.
 
2008-01-31 03:24:04 PM  
quatchi: EoJ: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

Actually, since the television war ie Vietnam the US Military have learned a lot more about how to control the images that the nation gets to see in order to keep public opinion of the effort as high as possible. Iraq has been called the "video game" war for very good reason. Most Americans only get to see it from high above where laser guided missiles always get their target and civilian casualities are only addressed in passing. People who live in the ME get a much clearer picture than folks in the US. Now granted this has a lot to do with the fact that western journalists take their lives in their own hands trying to cover this war and that Al Jazeera and others can more easily film the human costs at ground level but that's not the only reason for the disconnect.

That's just "how it works"



Corvus: EdJofJupiter: We know as much or more about the soldiers who die in todays wars as we ever have. It's how it works.

I thought during the Vietnam war they had independent reporters out in the field, displaying unedited footage about the war during prime time television. Now you must go with the military and it must be approved.

Can you please educate the rest of us how now we know much more about the war?


Vietnam? you guys wanna compare network news coverage in Vietnam to information available today about Iraq, or anything else?

The blood and destruction shown on TV then numbed people to the war, people stopped watching it. The coverage still didn't give names of everyone killed. If you want statistics about what happens in Iraq, just spend some time searching the web.

Iraq Coalition Casualties by State and City (new window)

My point was, Montel was being an ass looking for attention. Did his rant do one thing to help anybody but himself?

Go check the Vietnam era media and see what coverage celebrity deaths got then as well.
 
2008-01-31 03:30:51 PM  
100 responses and nobody, and I mean NOBODY, points out the utter hypocrisy of Montel Williams?

This is a man whose whole career has been built on tabloid trash.

His show is just "outrageous teens" and physics and other complete garbage. And NOW he's trying to be all "We need to be serious"

This is the ultimate pot calling the kettle black right here.

I agree that the coverage of Ledger is overblown and stupid, but Montell is nothing more than a big part of the problem.
 
2008-01-31 03:48:59 PM  
Yeah I got to admit Montel is the last guy I would expect to make this point but he is right. Nixon went to China so I guess Montel can call the media out on it's shallowness and hypocrisy.
 
2008-01-31 03:55:05 PM  
Defeat all DumboKKKrats: 100 responses and nobody, and I mean NOBODY, points out the utter hypocrisy of Montel Williams?

This is a man whose whole career has been built on tabloid trash.

His show is just "outrageous teens" and physics and other complete garbage. And NOW he's trying to be all "We need to be serious"

This is the ultimate pot calling the kettle black right here.

I agree that the coverage of Ledger is overblown and stupid, but Montell is nothing more than a big part of the problem.


Identifying trolls is easy when they have names. As for calling things black, I guess I never really watched enough daytime talk shows to be that informed, I was too busy getting an education and working.
 
2008-01-31 04:03:29 PM  
MEDICAL MARIJUANA ADVOCATES need to draft Montel to be a national spokesman for the issue.
 
2008-01-31 04:03:35 PM  
EdJofJupiter Iraq Coalition Casualties by State and City (new window)

that doesn't seem up to date at all for my area, the last death it list for my town was 2004 when we had 3 die from here from april of 07-november of 07 that were not mentioned at all.
 
2008-01-31 04:15:39 PM  
Now only if Montel could biatch bout the fark Britney, uh, I mean Showbiz tab.
 
2008-01-31 04:22:36 PM  
antidisestablishmentarianism:
Identifying trolls is easy when they have names. As for calling things black, I guess I never really watched enough daytime talk shows to be that informed, I was too busy getting an education and working.


learning.cc.hccs.edu
 
2008-01-31 04:38:34 PM  
Defeat all DumboKKKrats: antidisestablishmentarianism:
Identifying trolls is easy when they have names. As for calling things black, I guess I never really watched enough daytime talk shows to be that informed, I was too busy getting an education and working.


So you just creadte a name and an alt for the run-up eh? My ignore list, let me show it to you
 
2008-01-31 04:39:02 PM  
Anyone else doing what he did would seem to be looking for attention (oh look how concerned I am)

But he seems really sincere and informed about this and for that I commend him. My respect for him has just gone up about 20 notches.
 
2008-01-31 04:48:32 PM  
Ozarkhawk: Sorry, no kudos to Montel from me.

Here's a guy that features the crackpot Silvia Browne on his show about once a month - purely for ratings - then goes on Faux and lectures them about the media's fluff reporting for ratings???


Yeah, but do you turn on Montel for serious reporting?

Do you hold Fox only to the same levels of journalistic integrity that you do Montel Williams?
 
2008-01-31 04:56:05 PM  
Defeat all DumboKKKrats: 100 responses and nobody, and I mean NOBODY, points out the utter hypocrisy of Montel Williams?

This is a man whose whole career has been built on tabloid trash.


Fom Wiki:

Williams enlisted in the United States Marine Corps in 1974 and completed his recruit training at MCRD Parris Island, South Carolina. While training at Twentynine Palms, he was selected for training at the Naval Preparatory School and a year later, he was accepted into the United States Naval Academy.[1] In 1980, he graduated with a degree in engineering and a minor in international security affairs. Upon graduation, Williams was commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy.[citation needed]

Williams served on board the USS Sampson during the U.S. invasion of Grenada. His awards include the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, two Navy Expeditionary Medals, two Humanitarian Service Medals, a Navy Achievement Medal, two Navy Commendation Medals and two Meritorious Service Medals. He retired after 22 years of military service as a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy.[2]


Not his whole career, apparently.
 
2008-01-31 05:02:21 PM  
Where's the HERO tag for this?
 
2008-01-31 05:48:55 PM  
Not bad, Montel. Suddenly he seems 3% less of a smacktard than the Daytime Talk Show Host aggregate.
 
2008-01-31 05:52:05 PM  
Dont you think Montell more than many would be qualified to speak with expertise about exploitation for ratings?

Best thing I've ever heard from Montell Williams.

Best video I've seen probably all year.
 
2008-01-31 06:08:49 PM  
Screw Heath Ledger. He was a freaking actor, one who is paid to pretend for our amusement. He wasn't a hero, and his death is no more and no less tragic than any other death.

Hollywood will not be facing a shortage of talent because of his death, and we will all move on.

People die every day. They expire, they're crushed to death in car accidents, and they get shot by other people sometimes. Some of us die in surgery, others die of old age, but we all freaking die.

Covering the death of one person who has not significantly affected the lives of the 300 million people here in the USA is a waste of the broadcast day.

News. It means information which is new. What new information is gained by rehashing the fact that an attractive young person has died? Montel is correct in pointing out the fact that the vast majority of news programming is neither informative nor important. It's fluff and people somehow allow themselves to feel informed after watching it. Well, that's a delusion.

Props to Montel, but please, man, get that awful "psychic" hag/fraudbag off your show, please.
 
2008-01-31 06:14:12 PM  
Good for Montel!

On a side note - Canadian media reports on the names of all soldiers killed in Afghanistan. They also run follow-up reports when the bodies are returned home and when the funerals take place.
 
2008-01-31 06:28:42 PM  
Career suicide. Or is it?
 
2008-01-31 06:41:09 PM  
phildeez: The conversation should have been something like this...

Montel: "What I want to know is, why am I on here talking about Ledger when you could have a soldier on here instead, one who is sacrificing himself for the nation etc. What is really important in this nation?"

Fox News Guy: "um...you have a book you want to plug...and stuff."

Montel: "Ah, right...well, then, carry on"


Yes, because no one is allowed to talk politics unless they're allowed to talk politics. I get it.

Where is Heath Ledger mentioned in Montel's book, I wonder?
 
2008-01-31 06:57:37 PM  
Montel was the only real person in that group. The rest were pitiful tools. Thanks Montel for keeping it real.
 
2008-01-31 07:01:24 PM  
i186.photobucket.com
 
2008-01-31 07:14:01 PM  
Montel is the man! All good and accurate points of why the country is going down the tubes. The talking heads were swallowing their tongues that he was going off script.
 
2008-01-31 07:44:53 PM  
Monkeytoes: Good for Montel!

He might be sensantionalistic at times, but he does always stand up for the military and kids

On a side note - Canadian media reports on the names of all soldiers killed in Afghanistan. They also run follow-up reports when the bodies are returned home and when the funerals take place.

Friend of mine in Toronto says its been less than 100 killed. He thought 70 sounded right. Nightly news can't do it, but it would be great if CNN or Fox would dedicate some time to it. It should also include the good they're doing.

The US has had 3,000 in Iraq. A very sad number

Still, only 1/10th of Korea.
 
2008-01-31 07:52:06 PM  
Montel makes a good point, who the F* cares about Heath.
 
2008-01-31 07:53:23 PM  
YES! If you want celebrity news, read a tabloid.
 
2008-01-31 07:54:04 PM  
keithgabryelski: Good job, Montel.

/don't feel sorry for heath ledger
//feel sorry for his kid he left behind
///feel sorry about the tragedies of this war


Yes, I mean, c'mon.. he was a good actor and all, but HE COMMITED SUICIDE. There is NOTHING heroic about that, NOTHING to feel sympathy about. He died of an overdose at young age, like so many celebrities in the past. What do I feel for them? Anger, for wasting their life stupidly.

And well farking done, Montel
 
2008-01-31 07:54:13 PM  
Like many others after watching this my respect for MW went up quite a bit. I'd love to see more of this and less "Your not the Father" from him.
 
2008-01-31 08:04:32 PM  
EoJ: Vietnam? you guys wanna compare network news coverage in Vietnam to information available today about Iraq, or anything else?

Yes, we do want to compare the two. Back then the networks actually had real news divisions with real investigative journalists nowadays a lot of wot passes for news is expensive haircuts reading blurbs from peep-hole magazine and ads disguised as news. Not to mention the fact that almost all the major networks news divisions have been trimmed down to nothing and a lot of the work in the field outsourced to foreign agencies. The 24 hour network news are a very thin soup indeed with the exception of FOX who are out and out propagandists, a conduit for the pentagon and especially the GOP.

The blood and destruction shown on TV then numbed people to the war, people stopped watching it. The coverage still didn't give names of everyone killed. If you want statistics about what happens in Iraq, just spend some time searching the web.

People didn't get numbed people got mad and then they got active and then they collectively worked together to try and bring the war to a close. They learned the lesson of Vietnam that the current Chickenhawk in Chief never did. The fact that you can't win out against a committed insurgency. You can decimate the population, drop tons of bombs, you can win every battle and ultimately lose the war. If America hadn't gotten out of Vietman America would still be there and still would not have won. See: Palestine.

Iraq Coalition Casualties by State and City (new window)

Dry stats on a web page do not have the immediacy nor the humanity of the footage out of Vietnam in the sixties and seventies.

My point was, Montel was being an ass looking for attention. Did his rant do one thing to help anybody but himself?

They brought attention to why FOX is an entertainment and disinformation outlet rather than a real news source. That's kinda important especially considering how dim-witted the average FOX watcher is.

Go check the Vietnam era media and see what coverage celebrity deaths got then as well.

Check all day and night you will find that the tabloidisation of American news is a recent phenomenon.

Nice chat.
 
2008-01-31 08:15:25 PM  
montel. wow, you impressed me for the first time ever with this clip.

you da man.
 
2008-01-31 08:48:39 PM  
can i be you when i grow up: He was there to promote a book, so he was probably not getting paid. They turned the interview away from his book and into commentary about Heath Ledger.

And Im sure he would have stormed off if they would have brought up his threatening to kill people too.

He was an entertainment guy so why does he feel the need to be political now? His show was never political, ever so now he wants to be that way? I smell publicity whore.

Hey montell your show sucked, your book is going to suck, and you are a farking hypocrite so step in front of a bus.
 
2008-01-31 09:02:41 PM  
He was obviously already fired at this point and had taken off his dollar bill blinders.
 
2008-01-31 09:19:45 PM  
as of the end of january, the number has risen to 39 confirmed KIA.

The latest happened today. 2 soldiers KIA from hostile action. 1 from small arms fire, 1 from IED. The last confirmed and released fatality is SGT. James Craig from my town of Hollywood, CA. He died monday.

If we could take a break from the live streaming updates on britneys mental health or the next big sale at wal-mart to honor our fallen dead, then it would be a step in the right direction.

Volunteers or not, these soldiers are an extension of us, representing the best of humanity in the worst realm of humanity, and paying for it with thier lives. I bet your father or grandfather who was in WW2 could tell you the names of each of the friends he lost. Or your uncle who served in vietnam.. but nowadays, none of us even take the time to listen, let alone care.

Normally you'll only hear of a fallen soldier when they've done something inspiring and heroic, while most reports of IED casualties get about as much attention as a temperature reading and have the somberness of the segment where the local baker befriends a mouse.. It sickens me on a personal level.

A soldiers death shouldn't only be relevant when the DOD letter gets delivered to your door.


/R.I.P. Sgt. Craig
 
2008-01-31 09:46:00 PM  
Fahcup
/R.I.P. Sgt. Craig

R.I.P. Sgt. Craig. Thank you
 
2008-01-31 09:47:20 PM  
btw, I love what Montel is saying, but he needs to watch Jim Lehrer.
 
2008-01-31 11:51:59 PM  
Good one Montel.

I am glad he distinguished between "real" people dying and Iraqis.
 
2008-02-01 04:09:36 AM  
can i be you when i grow up: dogdaze: I agree w/ the truthiness, but when getting paid to do a job, there's a time and a place . . .

He was there to promote a book, so he was probably not getting paid. They turned the interview away from his book and into commentary about Heath Ledger.


He got a Fark submission out of it, what more publicity could a person ask for in this day and age?
 
2008-02-01 10:14:55 AM  
God bless you, Montel!
 
2008-02-01 10:36:05 AM  
There's a war in Iraq?

You're kidding me!

/picks up a newspaper and looks for stuff on it...nothing on page 1, 2 or 3...
 
2008-02-01 10:56:46 AM  
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
Joseph Stalin.
 
2008-02-01 12:20:34 PM  
Genta: 28 troops that died in iraq since january 1? how many died to drunk drivers? to handguns in the US?

http://www.odmp.org/year.php

13 cops died in january too. considering the difficulties in iraq... 28 dead is a lot lower than in could be.


Way to completely miss the point.
 
2008-02-01 03:53:10 PM  
While I agree that the constant coverage of Ledger's death was appalling, I see the need to report on his death over, say, the deaths of every soldier.

For one, soldiers choose to be soldiers and they know a war's on. Their deaths aren't exactly unexpected. Whereas, Ledger's death was a surprise, having been so young and apparently relaxing in his apartment.

Montel definitely has a point, but I'm not sure if Ledger's death is the story he should be attacking.
 
2008-02-01 04:27:58 PM  
For some reason, it is human nature to gain immediate and appreciable respect for someone that makes a good point, when they stand up against convention to make it. I certainly agree with his major premise: That although tragic, we are devoting far too much of our attention to the death of one man, simply because of his celebrity. Indeed, it is the media's search for ratings, instead of a desire to provide meaningful information to a democratic society, that motivates them.

But I think most would agree that the same type of media that exploits Heath Ledger's death ad nauseum for ratings, might very well address these topics as well:

"Before we marry, we need to talk." A show about a potential groom that won't agree to marry his beloved, unless she gives up exotic dancing;

"Stepsibling affairs," I guess that one speaks for itself;

"Hollywood at large, a year in review." A show about the legal troubles of Celebrities in 2003; and let us not forget

"Inside the secret world of celebrities," a show dedicated to the troubles celebrities face with addiction, citing Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears and Anna Nicole Smith as examples.

Of course, these are but four examples of episodes of "Montel." He's been on the air for years pedaling this stuff.

So, it may be that Fox let him go out of spite, and that probably is accurate. However, there is an outside chance they fired him for hypocrisy. Let's consider that, and reflect on his motives for making this point, before we give him too much credit.
 
2008-02-01 05:15:24 PM  
Montel is correct.

But, I bet he already knew his show was toast, so he unloaded while he could.
 
2008-02-01 06:51:38 PM  
EoJ: What I was trying to say all along was that Montel was out of place here. Soy Bomb, drive-by tactics are not exactly what his supposed position needs.

His position needs to be heard. The problem with the MSM in terms of news is that is a weapon of mass distraction. Curious as to what you think his supposed position needs if not air time.

I say again, Montel was being an ass. The rant was out of place attention whoreing. My point with the links I posted was simply to show that if you want news of the world, you can search the resources we have available to us today. If you know the networks don't provide news, then why watch the networks for news?

Of course, Montel was being an ass. He was being deliberately disruptive by refusing to play into the narrative he had signed on for, namely talking about an already over-exposed topic in order to appeal to the LCD component that makes up much of the MSM's fan base and to dumb them down even further with trivialities given excessive weight. Was there a certain degree of self aggrandisement to the proceedings? Damn straight there was. Montel had just lost his show and refused to be their dancing clown. Perhaps, as some suggest, it was his way of burning bridges but it can also be argued that he was trying to shoot his profile up by this act which, as you can see by the many responses on this thread, was a positive act in many folks perceptions.

He's now immortal on youtube and this intantly registers as a zeitgeist moment. In point of fact the crocodile tears for Heath by the folks at Fox & Friends was far more asshattish and obnoxious than anything Montel did.

Yes, stats on the war are available on many other websites but much of that information is contradictory and even more is missing. Bottom line is Montel did a good thing. The biggest ass in this story is the moran at Fox who hired a recently fired and very angry black man to come play nice with his crowd of morans.
 
2008-02-01 08:55:35 PM  
Can any totalfarkers out there let us liters know how many headlines were submitted regarding Heath Ledger's death, and also how many headlines have been submitted about individual troops deaths in the past month?
 
2008-02-01 09:44:52 PM  
Wow, Montel is in my good books now. That took guts.
 
2008-02-01 11:31:05 PM  
Very late for the thread but no one has mentioned that Montel is a former marine and U.S. Naval Academy graduate.
 
2008-02-02 01:57:48 AM  
Montel 2008?
 
2008-02-02 04:06:24 PM  
Fox News is run by Roger Ailes.
Local Fox-owned broadcast stations are also headed by Roger Ailes.

Coincidence?

I still find it kind of strange that some Fox-owned stations still carry Jerry Springer even though he had a show on Air America.
 
2008-02-04 06:34:43 AM  
I wanted to draw your attention to the "Help Keep Montel Williams on the Air" petition.
Link and, if you would like him to continue, I'd like to encourage you to add your signature. It's free and takes less than a minute.
 
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