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(NPR)   Horse faced sociologist who can't get a date decides that men under 30 should be called "child-men"   (npr.org) divider line 737
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2008-01-30 11:22:23 AM
Sounds like TFA hit subby a bit to close to home. Or should I say his mother's basement?
 
2008-01-30 11:37:53 AM
A generation of men raised by women. . .
 
2008-01-30 11:46:24 AM
Today's mid-20something male "lingers happily," Hymowitz writes

Well we can't have that can we? Not when you can be married.
 
2008-01-30 11:49:41 AM
I don't think this is a credible article. The guy assumes by default that computer gaming is childish. I don't see that it is, or why he assumes that. He should know better.
 
2008-01-30 11:51:31 AM
I am under 30, I have a house, two kids, two cars, and a mortgage. My wife and I both play Xbox and have a blast. I must admit that we play with the kids toys just as much as they do. Seems to me like the author of TFA is ugly and can not get a date.
Pic of Author:
www.frontpagemag.com
Need I say more.
 
2008-01-30 11:58:03 AM
Adjective Bird Whiskey: Well we can't have that can we? Not when you can be married.

That struck me as well. We wouldn't want those men to be happy now would we?
 
2008-01-30 11:58:33 AM
meekychuppet: The guy assumes by default that computer gaming is childish.

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MC Pee Pants don't just want candy video games now, that's childish, he needs it them. And when you need something that's a responsibility, that only only an adult...on maturity...bunnies!

/has no room to talk.
 
2008-01-30 12:03:00 PM
God the assumptions this idiot makes. Did she ever think "it's the economy stupid?"

When I turned 25 I hadn't met my wife yet and was living at home, having just restarted working full time the previous fall thanks to a poor economy at the time. I was working and putting any extra money to debt and to afford to go back to school. Video games? HA! And, with the economy on the down trend again, we'll probably see this again the next year or so.

/now 40, married, house & children
 
2008-01-30 12:13:05 PM
damageddude: When I turned 25 I hadn't met my wife yet and was living at home, having just restarted working full time the previous fall thanks to a poor economy at the time.

Truth be told, for the most part, even college graduates (and maybe 'especially' college grads) can barely make ends meet from 25-30. So... when offered the choice of a video game that costs $40 (and will provide a month or more of entertainment) versus going to the theater/movies/bar/concert the smart money is on video games.

Just because to get into scientology you must be somewhat wealthy, doesn't mean this is possible for all people, male or female, of that age group.
 
2008-01-30 12:53:31 PM
Adjective Bird Whiskey: Today's mid-20something male "lingers happily," Hymowitz writes

Well we can't have that can we? Not when you can be married.


"It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife."
 
2008-01-30 12:55:35 PM
I'd also like to point out that her original article has a false dichotomy of comparing city life and small town life. Even in the same time period these would be two drastically different ways of growing up, let alone with a 40+ year time gap.
 
2008-01-30 12:55:37 PM
This article sounds like my girlfriend trying to shame me into marrying her. I know 5 year olds with more common sense than these clowns.
 
2008-01-30 12:56:42 PM
Other half is 22, has a well paying job, a degree, lives happily with me in a relationship that's married in all but name, and we're plotting a house purchase. No kids, but other issues there and anyway, any time we want to hear the pitter-patter of tiny feet we let the rats loose on the hardwood floor.

He also has a farkin' awesome collection of consoles, but who gives a shiat? Stop trying to shove people into social roles that never really fit humanity in the first place.
 
2008-01-30 01:03:16 PM
WTF? I own my home (well, a mortgage), am married, have a child, have a well-paid career, pay taxes, vote, and tore up Burnout: Paradise last night.

I just turned 30 TODAY - I guess I have to turn off the Xbox and watch Upstairs/Downstairs from now on?
 
2008-01-30 01:06:45 PM
Kay Hymowitz? Sugar tits?
 
2008-01-30 01:08:59 PM
And lets not forget the fact that MOST women in their 20s aren't exactly on the hunt for a hubby yet, and any guy that tries to settle down is headed down a path of disappointment. Those guys learn their lesson, join the rest, and only re-settle when the women (often chanting "why are all the good ones gay or married?") come looking for a "good man".

/that'll do
 
2008-01-30 01:17:22 PM
So where is the article for the 20-30 year old women who devote their lives to 'just want to have fun'? The ones who cruise from guy to guy looking for that entertainment system with a wallet?
 
2008-01-30 01:17:49 PM
ThatGuyGreg: And lets not forget the fact that MOST women in their 20s aren't exactly on the hunt for a hubby yet, and any guy that tries to settle down is headed down a path of disappointment. Those guys learn their lesson, join the rest, and only re-settle when the women (often chanting "why are all the good ones gay or married?") come looking for a "good man".

/that'll do


It doesn't help that young women today don't bring that much to the table. Sure, they have plenty of insecurities, but I can't remember that last time that I met one who could roast a chicken or pick a vacuum out of a lineup of household appliances.

/exaggerating
//but not by much.
 
2008-01-30 01:19:32 PM
Came here to add to the chorus that I have a job, wife and kids while being under 30. And I play videogames and tabletop wargames to boot, motherfarka.

Leatherface McGee from TFA can go mummy it up elsewhere.
 
2008-01-30 01:19:42 PM
And if you look at those who married at age 20 five decades ago, how many of those decided to get a divorce as soon as it became somewhat socially acceptable? How many of those marriages consisted of him going to work, bringing in the money, her spending it on the house, and him stealing away a bit in order to hide down at the pub with his friends, perhaps having sex every other Friday? Not saying that it's the norm, just saying that there were quite a few miserable people out there.

Fark it, rather than to subscribe to this crazy woman's weird idea of what a good life is, I'll rather lift a glass to toast the gaming console, to college and to pr0n! The things that leads to a degree of entertainment, irresponsible living for a couple of years, and women realizing that a bj is not abominable.
 
2008-01-30 01:21:02 PM
Cagey B: Came here to add to the chorus that I have a job, wife and kids while being under 30. And I play videogames and tabletop wargames to boot, motherfarka.

Leatherface McGee from TFA can go mummy it up elsewhere.


WHFB or 40K?
 
2008-01-30 01:21:12 PM
From her original op-ed: With women, you could argue that adulthood is in fact emergent. Single women in their 20s and early 30s are joining an international New Girl Order, hyper-achieving in both school and an increasingly female-friendly workplace, while packing leisure hours with shopping, traveling and dining with friends. Single young males, or SYMs, by contrast, often seem to hang out in a playground of drinking, hooking up, playing Halo 3 and, in many cases, underachieving. With them, adulthood looks as though it's receding.

Lets see I had a job offer before I graduated university with an engineering degree. I own two cars, hold down a job and live in my own apartment still I DO live in a playground of drinking and video games. Hooking up as this author calls it is out of the question since I live with my girlfriend of 5 years.

What the author is saying thats what women do for fun is adult and ok but what men do for fun is not while making huge simplifications about what men acctually do for fun.
 
2008-01-30 01:21:58 PM
yes, because having a wife kids and mortgage make life worth living...
 
2008-01-30 01:24:02 PM
Dead for Tax Reasons: yes, because having a wife kids and mortgage make life worth living...

See here I was thinking that having fun with my friends and trying everything I can possibly try until I find a passion for something was the best way to go through life.
 
2008-01-30 01:26:15 PM
IrateShadow: ThatGuyGreg: And lets not forget the fact that MOST women in their 20s aren't exactly on the hunt for a hubby yet, and any guy that tries to settle down is headed down a path of disappointment. Those guys learn their lesson, join the rest, and only re-settle when the women (often chanting "why are all the good ones gay or married?") come looking for a "good man".

/that'll do

It doesn't help that young women today don't bring that much to the table. Sure, they have plenty of insecurities, but I can't remember that last time that I met one who could roast a chicken or pick a vacuum out of a lineup of household appliances.

/exaggerating
//but not by much.


I beg to differ. Although cooking and housekeeping is somewhat lacking, they tend to come with their own income these days.

Me and the missus share the load of what has to be done around the house. I'm the one who can cook, she's the one who can bake, I'm the one who's about to get a MA in social sciences, she's the one with the master's degree in molecular biology, who will end up in a job within a month after getting her diploma.

We both fight for the Xbox on a regular basis, unless we play Lego Star Wars co-op.
 
2008-01-30 01:26:28 PM
milk_plus: A generation of men raised by women. . .

absolutely! as opposed to the old days when the men only raised the children. ;-)
 
2008-01-30 01:26:35 PM
I know very few girls in their 20's that have it together much at all.
 
2008-01-30 01:27:13 PM
I didn't RTFA, but from my own life experiences, I have met men in their 40's who are just as immature and irresponsible as young teenagers, and vice versa.

Stereotyping is fun!

/Especially when it's distributed by NPR
 
2008-01-30 01:27:42 PM
milk_plus: A generation of men raised by women. . .

I like that quote. Who was it who said that again??
 
2008-01-30 01:28:00 PM
Sociologists are in the business of making excuses for people's failures by blaming them on other individuals or groups. Seems like this one just decided to apply that tactic to herself.
 
2008-01-30 01:28:24 PM
tylerdurden217: I know very few girls in their 20's that have it together much at all.

You're referring to the ones that that wait tables at some crap hole diner and want to be "actresses" or perhaps the ones that go to college just to find a husband who will make enough money so that they don't have to work?
 
2008-01-30 01:28:34 PM
The overwhelming majority of men I know under freaking 35 are like this. They think it's great to spend decades getting education and working at coffee shops since they can have kids when they're 40 with some hot 22 yr old.
 
2008-01-30 01:29:08 PM
I don't think it is all just the guys.

I have several friends that still haven't gotten their acts together yet either. So blaming it all on the guys isn't a good course to take.

Eventhough a few of you could grow up a little.
 
2008-01-30 01:29:11 PM
well, today is my 30th birthday so I'm getting a kick!

/and presents! yay!
 
2008-01-30 01:29:21 PM
They should be called "Genitals with Apparently Vestigial Attachments".
 
2008-01-30 01:29:40 PM
Dead for Tax Reasons: yes, because having a wife kids and mortgage make life worth living...

What life? You mean the 5 hours of the day not spent sleeping, working or stuck in traffic?
 
2008-01-30 01:29:45 PM
milk_plus: A generation of men raised by women. . .

chuck wants his quote back..
/say 15 years ago???
 
2008-01-30 01:29:57 PM
eh... Marriage is for ugly people, anyway...

flame on
 
2008-01-30 01:30:26 PM
I'll be 40 this year, and a number of women have told me that only now will I be considered any "good" as a man.
 
2008-01-30 01:30:32 PM
milk_plus: A generation of men raised by women. . .

Pretty much all men in history have been raised by women. They're called mothers. There are some exceptios of course, but they are a piddling percentage.

When you get to a generation of men raised by harpies and wolves give me a call, may be more interesting and newsworthy.
 
2008-01-30 01:30:32 PM
Newsflash, Kay: It's not 1965.

A college degree doesn't guarantee a job, real estate is harder to come by, and marriage as an institution has declined sharply over the last 40 years.

After decades of being told that they aren't capable of pleasing a woman sexually or emotionally, and that women don't need them anyway, many guys have become disenchanted with trying. Big surprise! Casual sex doesn't make a bad consolation prize.

Today's young men are the product of your generation, Kay. Yet somehow in your mind, they are the cause and not the result of our society's woes.

It's great how young women get a pass from you completely, Kay. It's OK by you for them to travel, drink with their friends, and generally avoid family life through their 20's. In fact, you call it their "emergent adulthood." But when guys seek leisure time within their gender and aren't eager to settle down, they are pigs. Nice double standard.

It's no surprise that young men suffer from a fear of commitment, Kay. Who would want to marry a woman like you- someone who belittles them in one breath and asks for the world in the next?

As for the gaming thing... You're showing your age, Kay. Gaming isn't just for kids any more.
 
2008-01-30 01:30:36 PM
The key word in "settling down" is settle. Losers settle for shiat.
 
2008-01-30 01:30:58 PM
milk_plus: A generation of men raised by women. . .

I like that quote. Who was it who said that again?? probably Michael savage. I think it is acurate but she is a horseface, cant expect to get quality
 
2008-01-30 01:31:06 PM
You can pry my Xbox controller out of my cold dead hands.

img85.imageshack.us
 
2008-01-30 01:31:07 PM
Fine, whatever, as long as I can no longer be charged as an adult.
 
2008-01-30 01:31:09 PM
Shopping - how is that not a continuation of the childhood training of acquisition? Everybody is likely to carry "childish" behaviours into adulthood - some will just be less covert. Playing video games - the operative word being "play" - sounds like an easy target for this critique.

Never mind that the industry built around video gaming is growing bigger than the movies & TV put together, and relies on our (mutual) interest in the products. What are the odds that we all like shiny, flashy things? NPR needs a cookie.
 
2008-01-30 01:31:15 PM
I should add the only problem I see with that is that women need to be having children before 30 if that's on their agenda. Stats prove overwhelmingly that fertility goes down the tubes and birth defects go to unacceptable levels once one is past 30, particularly 35.

If you're not having kids, who cares.
 
2008-01-30 01:31:27 PM
So, what should we call the 20 to 30 y/o women who are single and having a good time? Desperate?

Woman, get back in the kitchen and make my sammich!
 
2008-01-30 01:31:41 PM
Give young men a choice between serious drama on the one hand, and Victoria's Secret models, battling cyborgs, exploding toilets and the NFL on the other, and it's the models, cyborgs, toilets and football by a mile.

Yes because serious fictional drama is so much more cultured and important than say a action movie. I'm sorry lady I won't go watch The Notebook with you for the 5th f*cking time! Christ can't I enjoy watching Bruce Willis take a helicopter down with a car without some emotional bullshiat?

You know interests me? Physics. I own tons of books about physics and a bunch about sociology as well. I bet though that this woman if given a choice between General Hospital and say The Elegant Universe she would pick the former. She must be a child woman for not liking what I like.
 
2008-01-30 01:32:16 PM
I didn't get married till I was 35. I was to busy having the time of my life. Yea, I broke a few hearts, but they got over it.

Except that one, but I don't talk about her.
 
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