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(FilBalad News)   Egyptian media report that the "poverty-stricken Palestinians" will have spent close to half a billion dollars at the end of the week, virtually emptying the country of televisions, cigarettes, mobile phones and Heineken   ( 64.233.179.104) divider line
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2008-01-30 09:44:52 AM  
In other news, the heads of Libtards worldwide are set to explode in 3...2...1...
 
2008-01-30 10:56:02 AM  
The price of bread has risen so much in Egypt that now the average egyptian will have to spend 30% of his salary on bread alone if he wants to eat for the next months.
 
2008-01-30 11:05:36 AM  
 
2008-01-30 11:25:04 AM  
I'm sure soon an emptied liquor store or electronic store will soon have a wooden 'Baby Food Store' sign on it within a week.
 
2008-01-30 11:29:09 AM  
That's like $350 each. Hardly 'fark you money.'
 
2008-01-30 11:37:26 AM  
Subby, that's typically what prisoners do with their money when they get released.
 
2008-01-30 11:41:55 AM  
gazans are practically egyptians. egypt should be proud to keep their arab brothers. it's not like the country is running out of room.
 
2008-01-30 11:44:39 AM  
albo: gazans are practically egyptians. egypt should be proud to keep their arab brothers. it's not like the country is running out of room.

Yup, create a new Egyptian province, and integrate Gaza to Egypt. Best thing you can do all around
 
2008-01-30 11:46:19 AM  
Tatsuma:
The price of bread has risen so much in Egypt that now the average egyptian will have to spend 30% of his salary on bread alone if he wants to eat for the next months.


So why are the Pals willing to pay 30% more? Do they get a discount with their Hamas card? It's not like somebody is trying to starve them to death back home or anything, right?

Dirty evil Palestinians, having all of this inedible cash, and spending it on luxuries like bread.

30% sounds ridiculous any way you cut it. Probably just you spinning it. 30%? How many of these people (which I thought didn't exist, or only in small, terroristic numbers, to begin with) are there to be able to destabilize the Egyptian bread market like this?

In short, I think you are lying.

Again.
 
2008-01-30 11:47:58 AM  
Apik0r0s: So why are the Pals willing to pay 30% more? Do they get a discount with their Hamas card? It's not like somebody is trying to starve them to death back home or anything, right?

Tatsuma: Also, Hamas have been counterfeiting Egyptian currency, giving it to ordinary Palestinians so they can buy wholesale everything in Egypt, come back to Gaza, resell it and give a cut back to Hamas

Apik0r0s: 30% sounds ridiculous any way you cut it. Probably just you spinning it. 30%? How many of these people (which I thought didn't exist, or only in small, terroristic numbers, to begin with) are there to be able to destabilize the Egyptian bread market like this?

In short, I think you are lying.


Take that up with the Egyptian blogger, idiot
 
2008-01-30 11:49:10 AM  
Here we go with Tatsuma again claiming there's no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. That it's all a chararde and every international aid agency is lieing. But Tatsuma, he knows the truth. He does read blogs afterall.
 
2008-01-30 11:50:44 AM  
Apik0r0s: In short, I think you are WANT to believe that you are lying.


FTFY
 
2008-01-30 11:52:08 AM  
Tatsuma: albo: gazans are practically egyptians. egypt should be proud to keep their arab brothers. it's not like the country is running out of room.

Yup, create a new Egyptian province, and integrate Gaza to Egypt. Best thing you can do all around


I would not say the best thing all around. Murbank does value his life, and the last thing he wants is Hamas to team up with the Muslim Brotherhood (anymore than they already are). That would make Iran look like a wee little lamb.
 
2008-01-30 11:52:44 AM  
Tatsuma:
Take that up with the Egyptian blogger, idiot


Tatsuma [TotalFark] Quote 2008-01-30 10:56:02 AM
The price of bread has risen so much in Egypt that now the average egyptian will have to spend 30% of his salary on bread alone if he wants to eat for the next months.



That was posted by YOU in this thread.

Are you an Egyptian blogger, or a liar?

Choose one.
 
2008-01-30 11:54:00 AM  
 
2008-01-30 11:54:02 AM  
I'm glad to see this thread has already become a calm and thought-provoking discussion of the issues
 
2008-01-30 11:55:08 AM  
Apik0r0s: That was posted by YOU in this thread.

Yeah, and then I linked to my source

I think I'm starting to understand.

Maybe your hatred of Jews comes from the fact you apparently don't understand simple English very well?
 
2008-01-30 11:57:53 AM  
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Heineken? F*ck that shiat! Pabst Blue Ribbon!
 
2008-01-30 12:06:26 PM  
Tatsuma
Apik0r0s: That was posted by YOU in this thread.

Yeah, and then I linked to my source

I think I'm starting to understand.

Maybe your hatred of Jews comes from the fact you apparently don't understand simple English very well?


Here is your post:

Tatsuma [TotalFark] Quote 2008-01-30 10:56:02 AM
The price of bread has risen so much in Egypt that now the average egyptian will have to spend 30% of his salary on bread alone if he wants to eat for the next months.



I see no link in that post. You did not attribute this "fact" to anybody else, in that, or any other, post.

You stated it as a fact. The post clearly shows that.

By the way you are fighting on this, it is pretty obvious that you don't believe it either, which is why you are now blaming the stupid premise on an "Egyptian blogger". But you threw it out there anyways, to spin the issue and distract from the fact that your heroes over there have been starving these people in their walled off ghetto.

And for the record, I love Jews, being one and all. What I detest are the Revisionist Zionists like yourself, those who are waving around a three thousand year old racist fairy tale like it's a farking real estate deed.
 
2008-01-30 12:07:14 PM  
mediaho: That's like $350 each. Hardly 'fark you money.'

It is, however, something close to half of the reported GDP of the entire Gaza strip. Spent in a week. That doesn't sound a little off to you?
 
2008-01-30 12:07:46 PM  
Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004
1. Chad (56.9)
98. Jordan (6.9)
99. Mexico (6.8)
100. Occupied Palestinian Territories (6.6)
101. Saint Lucia (6.5)
102. Singapore (5.2)
108. Barbados (3.0)

Probability of not surviving past age 40(%)2004
1. Zimbabwe (57.4)
114. Belize (5.4)
115. Albania (5.2)
116. Occupied Palestinian Territories (5.2)
117. Mauritius (5.1)
118. Tonga (5.0)
173. Iceland (1.4)

Adult illiteracy rate (%ages 15 and older)2004
1. Burkina Faso (76.4)
90. Seychelles (8.2)
91. Panama (8.1)
92. Occupied Palestinian Territories (7.6)
93. Singapore (7.5)
94. Philippines (7.4)
164. Estonia (0.2)

People without access to an improved water source (%) 2004
1. Ethiopia (78)
93. Suriname (8)
94. Moldova (8)
95. Occupied Palestinian Territories (8)
96. Korea (Republic of) (8)
97. Jamaica (7)
125. Hungary (1)

Children underweight for age (% ages 0-5) 2004
1. Nepal (48)
110. Dominican Republic (5)
111. Costa Rica (5)
112. Occupied Palestinian Territories (5)
113. Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (5)
114. Lebanon (4)
134. Chile (1)
 
2008-01-30 12:08:02 PM  
Apik0r0s: I see no link in that post. You did not attribute this "fact" to anybody else, in that, or any other, post.

You stated it as a fact. The post clearly shows that.


It's in the NEXT POST, FIRST LINE YOU DIMWIT

And for the record, I love Jews, being one and all

No you don't, you're one of the worst anti-semites around here.
 
2008-01-30 12:08:40 PM  
Apik0r0s: I see no link in that post. You did not attribute this "fact" to anybody else, in that, or any other, post.

Look a farking quarter of an inch below, in the next post.
 
2008-01-30 12:11:59 PM  
ilambiquated:

Let's play the data game

At the inception of the "occupation", conditions in the territories were quite dire. Life expectancy was low; malnutrition, infectious diseases, and child mortality were rife; and the level of education was very poor. Prior to the 1967 war, fewer than 60 percent of all male adults had been employed, with unemployment among refugees running as high as 83 percent. Within a brief period after the war, Israeli occupation had led to dramatic improvements in general well-being, placing the population of the territories ahead of most of their Arab neighbors.

In the economic sphere, most of this progress was the result of access to the far larger and more advanced Israeli economy: the number of Palestinians working in Israel rose from zero in 1967 to 66,000 in 1975 and 109,000 by 1986, accounting for 35 percent of the employed population of the West Bank and 45 percent in Gaza. Close to 2,000 industrial plants, employing almost half of the work force, were established in the territories under Israeli rule.
During the 1970's, the West Bank and Gaza constituted the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world.

During the 1970's, the West Bank and Gaza constituted the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world -- ahead of such "wonders" as Singapore, Hong Kong, and Korea, and substantially ahead of Israel itself. Although GNP per capita grew somewhat more slowly, the rate was still high by international standards, with per-capita GNP expanding tenfold between 1968 and 1991 from $165 to $1,715 (compared with Jordan's $1,050, Egypt's $600, Turkey's $1,630, and Tunisia's $1,440). By 1999, Palestinian per-capita income was nearly double Syria's, more than four times Yemen's, and 10 percent higher than Jordan's (one of the better off Arab states). Only the oil-rich Gulf states and Lebanon were more affluent.

Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

No less remarkable were advances in the Palestinians' standard of living. By 1986, 92.8 percent of the population in the West Bank and Gaza had electricity around the clock, as compared to 20.5 percent in 1967; 85 percent had running water in dwellings, as compared to 16 percent in 1967; 83.5 percent had electric or gas ranges for cooking, as compared to 4 percent in 1967; and so on for refrigerators, televisions, and cars.

Finally, and perhaps most strikingly, during the two decades preceding the intifada of the late 1980's, the number of schoolchildren in the territories grew by 102 percent, and the number of classes by 99 percent, though the population itself had grown by only 28 percent. Even more dramatic was the progress in higher education. At the time of the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, not a single university existed in these territories. By the early 1990's, there were seven such institutions, boasting some 16,500 students. Illiteracy rates dropped to 14 percent of adults over age 15, compared with 69 percent in Morocco, 61 percent in Egypt, 45 percent in Tunisia, and 44 percent in Syria.
 
2008-01-30 12:13:47 PM  
Tatsuam, I know you probably think these guys are a bunch of lefttard traitors, but here's a very illuminating article from Haaretz:

"The World Bank said on Thursday the prolonged closure of Israel's border crossings with Hamas-controlled Gaza could lead to the coastal strip's "irreversible" economic collapse. (new window)"
 
2008-01-30 12:15:11 PM  
Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004
100. Occupied Palestinian Territories (6.6)


It's not the fault of Israel or anybody other than the Palestinians that they are ranked so low. They get tons of money. Right now the foreign community has pledged $7.4 billion. that's billion with a "b." It's their own incompetence, hatred and corruption to blame.
pops (new window)
 
2008-01-30 12:15:20 PM  
Manfred J. Hattan:
Apik0r0s: I see no link in that post. You did not attribute this "fact" to anybody else, in that, or any other, post.

Look a farking quarter of an inch below, in the next post.



You mean the post that makes no reference to the previous one. The link which doesn't even say 30%, that one?

I am sure that Tatsuma will be letting everybody else get away with these new Fark rules of citation and attribution.

He didn't cite anybody else on it. He stated it as a fact, any subsequent (and non-referential) posts notwithstanding.

Tats likes to shoot people down over bad cites; what's good for the goy is good for the ganif.
 
2008-01-30 12:15:42 PM  
glaurunge: Tatsuam, I know you probably think these guys are a bunch of lefttard traitors, but here's a very illuminating article from Haaretz:

When senior editors of Haaretz go in public and proclaim that they used their newspaper to influence the war in Lebanon, that they lied about Olmert's criminal charges to keep him in power, that they manipulate their news to advance their political goals and that they asked America to "Rape Israel", you expect me to ever click on one of their stories again?
 
2008-01-30 12:16:53 PM  
I wonder if there has also been a sudden buyout of nails, bolts and rat poison....
 
2008-01-30 12:17:31 PM  
 
2008-01-30 12:18:25 PM  
orclover: I wonder if there has also been a sudden buyout of nails, bolts and rat poison....

Actually, yes, Egyptian forces arrested five terrorists with suicide belts in Egypt and trying to get into Israel, and there's a huge manhunt going on right now all over the country because there are others like them still walking around
 
2008-01-30 12:22:16 PM  
Half a billion dollar, divided by 750,000 Palestinians who visited Egypt means that they on average spent 500 bucks each.

Now, seeing as there are LOTS of children who went in Egypt and didn't spend any money, the real figure is probably closer to 1,000 bucks per adults (50% of the Palestinians in the Gaza strip are under 14)

They have a lot of cash hanging around, for a starving population
 
2008-01-30 12:25:56 PM  
albo: Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004
100. Occupied Palestinian Territories (6.6)

It's not the fault of Israel or anybody other than the Palestinians that they are ranked so low. They get tons of money. Right now the foreign community has pledged $7.4 billion. that's billion with a "b." It's their own incompetence, hatred and corruption to blame.
pops (new window)


But Albo, what you're leaving out is that all that international aid is all for naught if the sanctions on Gaza essentially suffocate any economic activity. Which is what they are doing.
 
2008-01-30 12:26:55 PM  
albo: It's their own incompetence, hatred and corruption to blame.

In fairness, there's also at least one arguably less insidious factor at work: fertility. The average Gazan woman crank out 5.64 babies.1


1: Actually, I'm pretty confident that no woman, Gazan or otherwise, has ever had 5.64 children. But you know what I mean.
 
2008-01-30 12:28:22 PM  
Hooray for Apik0r0s and Glaurunge. Now all we need here is Czarag and our uneducated stupidity trifecta will be complete.
 
2008-01-30 12:29:39 PM  
bin_smokin: Hooray for Apik0r0s and Glaurunge. Now all we need here is Czarag and our uneducated stupidity trifecta will be complete.

Ilamb "Judaism was created centuries after Xianity and Jews always speaking Hebrew is a medieval conspiracy of rabbis" ambiquated is here, though

So let's make that a Superfecta
 
2008-01-30 12:29:54 PM  
ilambiquated: Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004
1. Chad (56.9)
98. Jordan (6.9)
99. Mexico (6.8)
100. Occupied Palestinian Territories (6.6)
101. Saint Lucia (6.5)
102. Singapore (5.2)
108. Barbados (3.0)

Probability of not surviving past age 40(%)2004
1. Zimbabwe (57.4)
114. Belize (5.4)
115. Albania (5.2)
116. Occupied Palestinian Territories (5.2)
117. Mauritius (5.1)
118. Tonga (5.0)
173. Iceland (1.4)

Adult illiteracy rate (%ages 15 and older)2004
1. Burkina Faso (76.4)
90. Seychelles (8.2)
91. Panama (8.1)
92. Occupied Palestinian Territories (7.6)
93. Singapore (7.5)
94. Philippines (7.4)
164. Estonia (0.2)

People without access to an improved water source (%) 2004
1. Ethiopia (78)
93. Suriname (8)
94. Moldova (8)
95. Occupied Palestinian Territories (8)
96. Korea (Republic of) (8)
97. Jamaica (7)
125. Hungary (1)

Children underweight for age (% ages 0-5) 2004
1. Nepal (48)
110. Dominican Republic (5)
111. Costa Rica (5)
112. Occupied Palestinian Territories (5)
113. Libyan Arab Jamahiriya (5)
114. Lebanon (4)
134. Chile (1)


In other words, Palestinians are about in the mid-average range for third-world countries, and rank almost the same as Mexico (the USA's bordering country and trade ally) on the poverty index. Interesting.
 
2008-01-30 12:33:10 PM  
Tatsuma: glaurunge: Tatsuam, I know you probably think these guys are a bunch of lefttard traitors, but here's a very illuminating article from Haaretz:

When senior editors of Haaretz go in public and proclaim that they used their newspaper to influence the war in Lebanon, that they lied about Olmert's criminal charges to keep him in power, that they manipulate their news to advance their political goals and that they asked America to "Rape Israel", you expect me to ever click on one of their stories again?


In other words, don't debate the veracity of a news story, just ignore it altogether if it doesn't comport with your ideological world view. How about the BBC?

"Gaza could become completely dependant on aid within weeks because of economic damage caused by Israeli restrictions on border crossings, the UN has said. (new window)"
 
2008-01-30 12:34:38 PM  
glaurunge: But Albo, what you're leaving out is that all that international aid is all for naught if the sanctions on Gaza essentially suffocate any economic activity

because opening the border lets the asshats through to bomb civilians. how would you respond? if the palestinians stop the random violence, the sanctions will stop. only they alone can stop--it's not anybody else's decision.
 
2008-01-30 12:37:22 PM  
Apik0r0s: Proving once again that some criticism of Israel actually *is* motivated by anti-semitism and bigotry...
 
2008-01-30 12:37:59 PM  
Demand increases, prices rise. Basic economics, folks.
 
2008-01-30 12:38:35 PM  
nyil: In other words, Palestinians are about in the mid-average range for third-world countries, and rank almost the same as Mexico (the USA's bordering country and trade ally) on the poverty index. Interesting.

For some perspective

Human Poverty Index (HPI-1) 2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Probability of not surviving past age 40(%)2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Adult illiteracy rate (%ages 15 and older)2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

People without access to an improved water source (%) 2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Children underweight for age (% ages 0-5) 2004
Palestinians have a better time than:

Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Yemen, Morocco, Africa and most of South Africa, Central America and Asia

Zionists! *shakes fist in the air*
 
2008-01-30 12:40:29 PM  
Tatsuma: Half a billion dollar, divided by 750,000 Palestinians who visited Egypt means that they on average spent 500 bucks each.

Now, seeing as there are LOTS of children who went in Egypt and didn't spend any money, the real figure is probably closer to 1,000 bucks per adults (50% of the Palestinians in the Gaza strip are under 14)

They have a lot of cash hanging around, for a starving population


Not to argue the point you are making but you can't eat money.
 
2008-01-30 12:40:35 PM  
glaurunge: In other words, don't debate the veracity of a news story, just ignore it altogether if it doesn't comport with your ideological world view. How about the BBC?

Newsource: We manipulate the news so it fits our ideology
Me: Fark that, not interested
You: AH! So you ignore news that you disagree with!

...

"Gaza could become completely dependant on aid within weeks because of economic damage caused by Israeli restrictions on border crossings, the UN has said. (new window)"

And gee, all the Palestinians have to do is to stop firing rockets and the restrictions will stop immediatly.

If they are not mature enough to even stop rockets when they are hurting themselves, how the fark am I supposed to trust them with an actual country
 
2008-01-30 12:42:11 PM  
glaurunge 2008-01-30 12:25:56 PM

But Albo, what you're leaving out is that all that international aid is all for naught if the sanctions on Gaza essentially suffocate any economic activity. Which is what they are doing.


Sorry but if you can't play nice with all the other kids then you don't get to play at all. It is the Palestinians responsibility to reign in thier leaders and stop the problems that result in thier isolation and collective punishment. Read the articles linked above where the Arab Media is actually beginning to question the stupidity of Hamas' actions.

Seriously, what can be gained by firing rockets into israel? You manage to kill one or 2 innocent people with the first one and then the Israelis are all in shelters for those that follow. Then the israeli military comes in a pounds the living shiat out of them and they cry about it on the media for international sympathy from people as idiotic as yourself.

Sorry but if some jerk keeps poking me over and over i'm going to eventually turn around and BEAT THE farkING shiat OUT OF HIM. And guess what...IT IS HIS FAULT.
 
2008-01-30 12:42:54 PM  
Have a nice ban

DarkLancelot: Not to argue the point you are making but you can't eat money.

Yes, and you are right. However, do YOU have a thousand bucks to spend on tvs and motorcycles in your bank account right now?

I'd say no.

If they were only buying food and medecine, you'd have a point, but they are buying phones, tvs, motorcycles, farking sat receivers... that's just ridiculous
 
2008-01-30 12:45:24 PM  
Can anyone translate the translated comments?
 
2008-01-30 12:45:58 PM  
DarkLancelot: Not to argue the point you are making but you can't eat money.

Or buy non-existent TVs with it. If the supply chains get disrupted, you sit on your cash, then all of a sudden you get access to goods while also assuming it's a very temporary thing, what do you do? Spend like crazy. Normal opportunistic human behavior.

Meanwhile the villages on the other side have supplies for their normal population, but hordes of out of towners descended, so the demand skyrocketed. Of COURSE the prices are gonna go up. Of COURSE the locals will resent all the out of towners who swarmed in and crowded up the place, made prices rise, and clogged up all the stores.

If the border remained open eventually things would equalize out.
 
2008-01-30 12:47:14 PM  
Not to mention it might not be such a terrible thing for people to get dishes or whatever they're buying, to get access to a wider variety of TV.
 
2008-01-30 12:48:42 PM  
itazurakko: Not to mention it might not be such a terrible thing for people to get dishes or whatever they're buying, to get access to a wider variety of TV.

I'll have to admit that them not only watching Hamas TV, Fatah TV and Hizbullah TV might not be a bad thing, then again the rest of stations in the Mid-East won't exactly expose them to western, non-anti-semitic kind of thoughts.
 
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