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2008-01-30 10:06:29 AM  
danlpoon: I've had a few takers. I doubt any of them will pay up, though. It's looking pretty rough for Obama and REAL rough for the Democrats.

Wrong on both counts brother...
 
2008-01-30 10:06:33 AM  
albo: DamnYankees: Why the hell would he accept it?

because he's smart. VP will make him teh front runner in 2012 if hillary loses and the front runner in 2016 if hillary wins and does two terms.

trust me, he'll get over it. bush I did


2016 is eight years away, obviously, and a lot can happen between now and then. I think he'd be smarter to stay in the Senate and build his political clout there, rather than selling out and doing well at a largely meaningless position.
 
Poz
2008-01-30 10:07:18 AM  
Lord of Allusions: albo: man, he really squandered a great start

He just isn't Republican enough for the base.

"What about McCain?"



This is what I want to see. It's called a critical election, one that recreates the political parties as we know it. The last critical election was in 1860... we are overdue.

(Some debate that 1976 was a critical election because of the role of the press... and that 1996 was also one... "Contract with America")

McCain / Edwards - the ticket to end all tickets.
 
2008-01-30 10:07:20 AM  
DamnYankees: Shadow writer: I think that if Hillary wins, given the amount of support Obama has, it would be difficult for her not to choose him as her VP.

Why the hell would he accept it?


Because, like her, he wants that shot at the White House. As VP, he gets his foreign policy legs, and can run as the Democratic incumbent 8 years from now. He's young enough.
 
2008-01-30 10:07:31 AM  
TwelveToneRow: choice and consequence: I am an independent with libertarian leanings. I usually vote Libertarian, not so much for the Lib candidate but as a protest against the scum and villainy that generally get the D and R candidacies.

I would consider voting Obama. I am against a number of his positions (gun control esp.), but I think his attitude is exactly what we need as a country. I'd like to see him in the big chair with a thoroughly deadlocked Congress, keep the positive attitude change, avoid cluster-fark legislation. I can also see voting McCain, it would come down to the campaign between them.

I would definitely vote Republican against Hillary. Hillary sets off every alarm bell and red flag I've got.

I'm curious to know why. Not maliciously curious, but honestly. All of the tangible people I know cannot, for the life of them, give me concrete and believable reasons outside of "OMG TEH SOCIALISM" and "OMG TEH CLINTON."

/Yeah, they talk like that. Promise.


As if that weren't a more than sufficient explanation...
 
2008-01-30 10:07:37 AM  
canyoneer: It's too bad about Edwards. He was the only real Democrat in the race. Interesting that Democrats rejected the only real Democrat.

I would argue that Kucinich was the only real liberal, and Paul the only real conservative. Voters seem to prefer wishy-washy moderates who lie well on TV.
 
2008-01-30 10:08:11 AM  
I think the Republicans have sufficiently "restored honor and integrity to the White House." Let them have some time off.
 
2008-01-30 10:08:12 AM  
British: Is Ron Paul this new generation's Ross Perot?

nah, maybe this generation's Stockdale


/he can still surprise ya!
 
2008-01-30 10:08:17 AM  
Tatsuma: Holy shiat, the Obama fans in here are smoking something good! I mean, not as delusional as Ron Paul supporters, but please keep your pants on, guys.

Still mad about Giuliani dropping out yesterday?
 
2008-01-30 10:08:19 AM  
Tatsuma: McCain versus Hillary, McCain wins the election.

/Can we all go home now?


That's how I see it, too. An interesting side note is that it looks as if a sitting Senator will be elected President for the first time since...what? 1960? Almost half a century.
 
2008-01-30 10:08:23 AM  
I'm still in it, man.

Good man.

Don't get me wrong- I'll vote for the black guy or the woman just to break the mold. This country can stand any Presidency. We've certainly proven that in the last 7 years.
 
2008-01-30 10:08:27 AM  
McCain's best move is to get a female VP candidate on the ticket.

I say Linda Lingle, the current governor of Hawaii, is his best bet. She's unknown, she's pretty much controversy-free, and of course she splits the huge Hawaiian vote for Obama.
 
2008-01-30 10:08:48 AM  
degreeless:

that's hilarious!
 
2008-01-30 10:08:53 AM  
StillH2O: I would argue that Kucinich was the only real liberal

Kucinich was the only real progressive. Liberal /= Lefty

and Paul the only real conservative.

Uh, no.

Voters seem to prefer wishy-washy moderates who lie well on TV.

True dat
 
2008-01-30 10:09:02 AM  
Poz: Lord of Allusions: albo: man, he really squandered a great start

He just isn't Republican enough for the base.

"What about McCain?"



This is what I want to see. It's called a critical election, one that recreates the political parties as we know it. The last critical election was in 1860... we are overdue.

(Some debate that 1976 was a critical election because of the role of the press... and that 1996 was also one... "Contract with America")

McCain / Edwards - the ticket to end all tickets.


I can see myself pulling the lever for that after taking a swig from a hip flask, hands sweaty in a strange, intoxicating mixture of self-loathing and raw "Let's-just-fark-with-them" juice.
 
2008-01-30 10:09:15 AM  
TwelveToneRow: I think he'd be smarter to stay in the Senate and build his political clout there, rather than selling out and doing well at a largely meaningless position

but it gives him executive experience. we tend not to elect pure legislators, preferring former governors and VPs who have executive branch experience. the politics and leadership demands are different
 
2008-01-30 10:10:03 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: LibertyFirst:

Hillary will crush him. He will be painted as a warmongering, loose canon who wants to invade Iran and Hillary is the deep, caring, moderate who wants to give out healthcare.

You are kidding. Hillary has the highest negatives of ANY presidential candidate EVER. McCain is going to paint her as a socialist who wants to take away your gun and SUV


Obama is harsher on gun control that Hillary is. In fact, that's one big strike against him in my opinion.

/Tree hugging, bleeding heart, gun owning liberal here.
 
2008-01-30 10:10:08 AM  
canyoneer
Thanks for your insightful history of armed conflict.
No one made McCain say that we'll be in Iraq for 100 years, or that we should bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran (to Barbara Ann). He did and he will be responsible for these comments.
BTW, over the last 20 years, the Republicans have been war mongers.
 
2008-01-30 10:10:19 AM  
Shaggy_C: Still mad about Giuliani dropping out yesterday?

Not at all. I'm much much much more happy that McCain is getting the nomination than Rudy. I thought that Rudy was the only possible choice six months ago and that McCain was done for (and really, except McCain and his mother, who didn't?) but now that things have changed, I'm REALLY glad.

canyoneer: That's how I see it, too. An interesting side note is that it looks as if a sitting Senator will be elected President for the first time since...what? 1960? Almost half a century.

Yep... and it's been that long? Seriously?
 
2008-01-30 10:10:28 AM  
DarthBrooks: McCain's best move is to get a female VP candidate on the ticket.

I say Linda Lingle, the current governor of Hawaii, is his best bet


*quizzical dog face*

that's a new one. and very intriguing. interesting...
 
2008-01-30 10:10:57 AM  
namegoeshere: Obama is harsher on gun control that Hillary is. In fact, that's one big strike against him in my opinion.

Obama was against taking the guns away from people in New Orleans after Katrina. Clinton was for it.
 
2008-01-30 10:11:01 AM  
DamnYankees: It's on MSNBC right now. This could be HUGE for Obama - lets hope he endorses.

GaryPDX: The plot thickens. He's dropping a little early unless, Obama/Edwards 08?

Let's hope so. That would be a huge boost for Obama.
 
2008-01-30 10:11:05 AM  
Shaggy_C: SeismicJizzer: Which farker is matching funds if you if donate money to Obama?

It's keithgabryelski - GOBAMA!!!


Thanks mate!
 
2008-01-30 10:11:11 AM  
barjockey: TwelveToneRow: choice and consequence: I am an independent with libertarian leanings. I usually vote Libertarian, not so much for the Lib candidate but as a protest against the scum and villainy that generally get the D and R candidacies.

I would consider voting Obama. I am against a number of his positions (gun control esp.), but I think his attitude is exactly what we need as a country. I'd like to see him in the big chair with a thoroughly deadlocked Congress, keep the positive attitude change, avoid cluster-fark legislation. I can also see voting McCain, it would come down to the campaign between them.

I would definitely vote Republican against Hillary. Hillary sets off every alarm bell and red flag I've got.

I'm curious to know why. Not maliciously curious, but honestly. All of the tangible people I know cannot, for the life of them, give me concrete and believable reasons outside of "OMG TEH SOCIALISM" and "OMG TEH CLINTON."

/Yeah, they talk like that. Promise.

As if that weren't a more than sufficient explanation...


You can't honestly believe that.

albo

But knowing what we know about Obama, would he give up legislative experience and the connections and power that come with it for that remote possibility of a shining VP-hood and possible presidency?
 
2008-01-30 10:11:17 AM  
kuhns_m: or that we should bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran (to Barbara Ann). He did and he will be responsible for these comments.

Oh no he made a joke! It's over with his presidency, it's OVER
 
2008-01-30 10:11:18 AM  
Okay - it's now official. Four more years of GOP oil wars and domestic oppression directly ahead.

/Leave it to the Dems to come up with an absolutely unelectable candidate
//John Kerry anyone?
 
2008-01-30 10:11:37 AM  
danlpoon
I'm offering a year of TF if Obama is elected President but takers have to give me a month of TF if he doesn't. That's 12-1 odds.

I've had a few takers. I doubt any of them will pay up, though. It's looking pretty rough for Obama and REAL rough for the Democrats.


I'll take that risk, if you're still offering. Granted, you might have to remind me again after the results are in (win or lose) since I'll probably forget all about it. I'm good for it though... certainly can spare $5 if Obama loses.
 
2008-01-30 10:11:45 AM  
An interesting side note is that it looks as if a sitting Senator will be elected President for the first time since...what? 1960? Almost half a century

Good point. I figure his "got tortured" nullifies his "in congress".

If he'd have been able to run a little faster October 26, 1967 he wouldn't even be in this race.
 
2008-01-30 10:11:50 AM  
Republican Candidate: McCain
Democratic Candidate: Obama
Winner: Yet to be determined
 
2008-01-30 10:12:00 AM  
Tatsuma: kuhns_m: or that we should bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran (to Barbara Ann). He did and he will be responsible for these comments.

Oh no he made a joke! It's over with his presidency, it's OVER


Why hard-on for McCain, good sir?
 
2008-01-30 10:12:07 AM  
Tatsuma: Holy shiat, the Obama fans in here are smoking something good! I mean, not as delusional as Ron Paul supporters, but please keep your pants on, guys.

Dude was beating her in a 3 person race. You think he's got a worse chance of beating her in a 2 person race? Explain.
 
2008-01-30 10:12:51 AM  
Fruckedup: This is a bad day for republicans. Republicans only have a chance if Clinton gets the democrat nomination.

If Obama gets the Democratic nomination, McCain wins in a landslide.

If Hillary gets the nomination, it's a fight all the way into November for both parties.

McCain and Clinton are just the better and tougher campaigners.

Obama is a nice guy. But this race is for the Presidency, not Mr Congeniality.
 
2008-01-30 10:13:01 AM  
RodneyToady: People like to discount Michigan and Florida because they yielded zero delegates, but people still voted, and they voted significantly for Hillary.

Obama and Edwards weren't even on the freaking ballot in Michigan.

As for Florida, while Obama and Edwards were honoring their pledges not to campaign in Florida, Hillary has spent much of the last week making noises about how the Florida delegates should count. But somehow that's not unfairly campaigning to Floridians...right.
 
2008-01-30 10:13:24 AM  
By the way, kuhns_m, to give shiat to McCain for his comment about Iran, when you support Obama and he made worse comments about Pakistan, that makes you a farking hypocrite
 
2008-01-30 10:13:24 AM  
Control_this

Whatever, man. I'll make another prediction today: McCain's position on the Iraq War won't hurt him a bit in the general election, because he's at least been consistent, and things are going well in Iraq. if Iraq is still calm and improving in November, the Democrats will have nothing to say about it - because they voted for it.
 
2008-01-30 10:13:47 AM  
albo: on the democratic side (the more caring and liberal party)

Hillary "Pact with Satan" Clinton, wife of the noted horndog
Barack "Handsome and Empty Suit" Obama, a black person

on the republican side (the baby-eating party that i'm a member of)

John "War Hero and Tumor Have-r" McCain, a Senator
Mitt "I Look Like a Prez" Romney, a former governor and current Mormon cultist


Heh ... I like that wrap up.

That being said, I'm crossing my fingers for my 'handsome empty suit' to pull through on this one.
 
2008-01-30 10:13:51 AM  
kuhns_m: Shadow writer
I don't think Obama would take 2nd place. He is beating her in delagates right now. If she wins the General Election, he is stuck for 4 years and can't run against her, once her Presidency becomes a disaster.
Much better to go and run for Illinois Governor and challenge her is 4 years.


The governor thing could be...but you forget that Hillary and Obama have almost without exception voted similarly since he came to the senate. Despite what Obamaniacs tell you, Obama is a pragmatist, like Clinton and the Clintonite politicians out there (i.e. Centrists like the DLC). Obama and Hillary actually agree more than they disagree, that's why it has gotten so petty between them, because there is no real difference between them on most issues. As governor, he may be able to challenge her, but you are betting that her administration will be a disaster. I doubt that would be the case. If she is successful her first term, you can almost bet there will be a second. As VP, he is perfectly positioned to take the mantle of the Dems in 2016 and become President.
 
2008-01-30 10:14:02 AM  
TwelveToneRow: But knowing what we know about Obama, would he give up legislative experience and the connections and power that come with it for that remote possibility of a shining VP-hood and possible presidency?

gore did. he ain't no dummy
 
2008-01-30 10:14:11 AM  
Tech N9ne: Sweet a chick and a minority, looks like the Republicans will win, thank you God.

That's the dumbest thing I've read on the Internet all day.
 
2008-01-30 10:14:26 AM  
drudgereport.com
 
2008-01-30 10:14:47 AM  
Why shouldn't we bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb IRAAAAAAAN!!?

Really. Honest question. They have been at war with us in Iraq, via the Shiite and Sadr militias. Iranian tech has been used against the US in Iraq. Iranians armed and goaded Hezbollah. Iran and puppet state Syria have assasinated politicians in Lebanon.

Despite the NIE, Iran is developing nuclear capabilities.

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. It should be McCain's campaign theme. I might be a bit more inclined to vote for him if he did do that.
 
2008-01-30 10:14:51 AM  
Dear Sen. Edwards:

If you do one thing, just one, for your home state, back that nice negro fellow. We'll stop asking you to move out of NC. We swear.

/Obama -vs- McCain in 2008
//Politics of Sanity FTW
///I'd vote for Zombie Pol Pot before I'd stomach Hillary as prez.
 
2008-01-30 10:14:54 AM  
RodneyToady:
People like to discount Michigan and Florida because they yielded zero delegates, but people still voted, and they voted significantly for Hillary. If you don't care, you stay home. If you vote even though it doesn't matter who wins, you vote for your candidate. Even with a Gore endorsement, Obama's got an uphill climb.

Um, Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. And let's not discount Obama's Iowa victory; it's one of the whitest states in the country, with a graying population.
 
2008-01-30 10:15:07 AM  
DamnYankees: They voted on name recognition. In Michigan, they didn't even do that - Obama wasn't on the freaking ballot.

These are primary voters, not general election voters. If you only vote because you "feel it's your civic duty" you vote by name recognition in the general election. If you actually care who your party puts forward, you vote in the primary.

Obama actually had a lot of news coverage in the weeks leading up to Michigan and definitely Florida. And there should have been enough Hillary-hater Democrats in MI to pull the lever for "uncommitted" as a protest vote. There weren't. Not by a long shot.

And if it was simply name recognition, you wouldn't have the same age and race breakdowns as you've pretty much been seeing in every state except Iowa.
 
2008-01-30 10:15:21 AM  
danlpoon: If he'd have been able to run a little faster October 26, 1967 he wouldn't even be in this race.

That's kind of a very asshole-ish comment, dude.

TwelveToneRow: Why hard-on for McCain, good sir?

Because he's the only one on both side I'd definitely consider a good, decent human being and doesn't scare me too much?

cameroncrazy1984: Dude was beating her in a 3 person race. You think he's got a worse chance of beating her in a 2 person race? Explain.

No, he isn't, she's leading him in Cali and she's set to win on ST as well
 
2008-01-30 10:16:11 AM  
As a former Edwards supporter (who recently turned Republican), I was wondering when this would happen.

I pray that Elizabeth's health remains strong. Frankly, I think Elizabeth Edwards is one of the most genuine and endearing women that I have seen in politics, and I was deeply saddened when I heard her cancer had returned.
 
2008-01-30 10:16:12 AM  
I'll take that risk, if you're still offering. Granted, you might have to remind me again after the results are in (win or lose) since I'll probably forget all about it. I'm good for it though... certainly can spare $5 if Obama loses.

Okay- Don't welch! I'm not keeping track. You should make a note in your profile.
 
2008-01-30 10:16:17 AM  
albo: TwelveToneRow: But knowing what we know about Obama, would he give up legislative experience and the connections and power that come with it for that remote possibility of a shining VP-hood and possible presidency?

gore did. he ain't no dummy


But was his perceived success or failure due to his opponent? Or because of public opinion of Gore?
 
2008-01-30 10:16:35 AM  
McCain vs Hillary vs Paul

Can you imagine the circus surrounding that?
 
2008-01-30 10:16:43 AM  
VP will make him teh front runner in 2012 if hillary loses

Right, because that worked so well for John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, Jack Kemp, Dan Quayle, Lloyd Bentsen, Geraldine Ferraro, etc etc etc
 
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