I feel for you Democrats. What sort of deal was made where you guys always had to nominate the most unelectable people?

Don't feel too bad. You've still got the Senate and House.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If Hillary is the Democratic candidate, I'm voting for some third party.

I understand the politics of it enough to see that Hillary needed something positive. This still smacks too much of exploitation, though, for me to take her claims seriously. I'd be very happy if the news just totally ignored her on this.

The good news I heard is that she only won because of all the votes that were mailed in, some as early as December. A lot has happened in the race since then, and I think I heard that Obama did better than her for the people who actually voted today. If so, her trumpeting her victory is even more hollow.

TheConvincingSavant: I feel for you Democrats. What sort of deal was made where you guys always had to nominate the most unelectable people?

It's not over yet. If Obama wins, the Republicans have no chance. If Hillary wins, the Democrats get what they deserve.

dammit i hate that biatch. farking calculated whore.

Her leading rivals, South Carolina primary winner Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. John Edwards, did not campaign in Florida.

Gothmolly: What a cunning stunt !!

You win the thread. You win it. My ribs hurts from laughing.

Mentat: RKTeuthis: And if Obama won, he'd do the same farking thing.

Obama might have done it.

Hillary is doing it.

Not to mention Hillary trying to get Michigan to count suddenly, which is especially shameless given the fact that they already voted and she was the only major candidate on the ballot.

all these candidates suck, just like every gd election, and i hope you "majority" folks have fun with it because once again, i've decided to just not vote again.

/yeah, my "duty" my ass

gonzoimperial:
She held fundraisers in Florida and staged a rally tonight. Those are things that the candidates agreed not to do quite a while back. She won because she lied.

They agreed not to campaign publicly.

Fundraisers aren't "campaigning."

A post-election rally doesn't affect polling and so is not "campaigning."

How are them sour grapes?

Gothmolly: What a cunning stunt !!

Thread over.

Soup4Bonnie: I have yet to meet any Democrat that endorses her, but I will be attending my precinct's caucus on 2/9.

I think I'll wear a t-shirt that says "Why Hillary?" and let them try to explain themselves.


Be careful, you might get surrounded by fat, sweaty old hags who'll call you a sexist pig.

I really don't understand why more people aren't pissed off about the Democrats telling some states to go fark themselves. What a joke of the Democratic process.

"I'm sorry, you voted earlier than we wanted, so your vote doesn't count."

I'm pretty sure that's NOT what the founding fathers were intending.

RKTeuthis: They agreed not to campaign publicly.

Fundraisers aren't "campaigning."

A post-election rally doesn't affect polling and so is not "campaigning."

How are them sour grapes?

She lied. Coming to the state for any reason is going to get you free publicity from the local media. And she's been going around whining about how the big bad DNC won't listen to Florida voters, but of course she will. She's underhanded and sneaky and eventually it will catch up with her. Sour grapes? There were no grapes given out today.

Two words: Super Delegates

It is a win for her whether you want to admit it or not. The Democratic party needs catch up with the GOP and get rid of them. It's kind of laughable on which group has progressed, and which hasn't when it comes to this.

Subby:Sen. Clinton attempts to spin a zero-zero tie as a win
Article: Not so much.

Please stop mongering people unless you have a valid reason. I just saw the speech on tv, her world were thus: "I can't ask you for your vote, but I'd like to thank you for your vote."

sarcasm-Oh man, so horrible!-sarcasm

Do you suppose a lot of Dems reregistered as Republicans to have a primary vote that counted?

wydok:
I'm pretty sure that's NOT what the founding fathers were intending.

I'm pretty sure the founding fathers wouldn't want the candidates for both parties to be determined over a year before the actual election takes place. Because that's what'd happen if you just let states pick their dates on their own. They'd keep leap-frogging each other in order to make themselves "more relevant" to the process.

guidoanselmi: Yeah, but she's steamrolling Obamarama in both NY and Cali polls. This was just tasteless. Doing nothing would probably be better for her (not to say this in any way jeopardizes her lead).

As a New York state resident, I apologize in advance if Hillary wins our primary. Unfortunately, since New York is a closed primary state, and I am not registered as a Democrat, I can't vote in the primary. Also, I have no idea why the hell we elected the carpet-bagging biatch that moved to New York very close to the minimum amount of time just so she could run for the Senate.

/Did not vote for her either time.
//Too young first time.
///Voted for Howie Hawkins in 2006.
////Would still vote for her over any of the Republican candidates though.

I really don't understand why more people aren't pissed off about the Democrats telling some states to go fark themselves. What a joke of the Democratic process.

"I'm sorry, you voted earlier than we wanted, so your vote doesn't count."

I'm pretty sure that's NOT what the founding fathers were intending.


I see where you're coming from, but if they don't enforce some sort of sanctions, the states are going to keep moving them earlier and earlier, to get the media attention and the state economic boost that comes with it.

wydok: I really don't understand why more people aren't pissed off about the Democrats telling some states to go fark themselves. What a joke of the Democratic process.

"I'm sorry, you voted earlier than we wanted, so your vote doesn't count."

I'm pretty sure that's NOT what the founding fathers were intending.

They knew what they were getting themselves into when they moved the primary dates forward. If they don't keep some sort of control over it then every state will just move earlier and earlier so they can feel special like Iowa and New Hampshire.

cmunic8r99: i never understood why Democrats would disenfranchise so many voters. Let alone Florida voters. You'd think they learned something from 2000.

Yes, they learned that Floridians can't be trusted with votes, or counting them.

The desperation is strong in this one...

///getting spanked in SC musta huuuuuuurt

gonzoimperial: TheConvincingSavant: I feel for you Democrats. What sort of deal was made where you guys always had to nominate the most unelectable people?

It's not over yet. If Obama wins, the Republicans have no chance. If Hillary wins, the Democrats get what they deserve.

I don't know about no chance, but you're right in that it would be a much tighter race.

Whether you guys do it by nominating Barry, or the Republicans do it by having McCain crush her in 2009, anything but a Hillary presidency will have been better for our country.

Soup4Bonnie:

Looks like I'll be PCing for SEA 43-1361. Let's get it done!

Steaming Cup of SARS: Soup4Bonnie: I have yet to meet any Democrat that endorses her, but I will be attending my precinct's caucus on 2/9.

I think I'll wear a t-shirt that says "Why Hillary?" and let them try to explain themselves.


Be careful, you might get surrounded by fat, sweaty old hags who'll call you a sexist pig.

I LOL'D

wydok: I'm pretty sure that's NOT what the founding fathers were intending.

The founding fathers were against political parties in their entirety, so your point is neither related to nor applicable to the argument that you put forward.

ok Hillary people: Please explain to me what you see in her? How are you able to look past how divisive of a person she is? How do you support someone whose political views change with every shift the in the political winds? How do you vote for someone who spent six months attacking a freaking video game for having a sex scene in it instead of focusing on all of the issues that are suddenly important to her?

I really think she is nothing more than the Democrat's version for George W. Bush.

muck4doo: Two words: Super Delegates

It is a win for her whether you want to admit it or not. The Democratic party needs catch up with the GOP and get rid of them. It's kind of laughable on which group has progressed, and which hasn't when it comes to this.

Indeed.

bronyaur1: She is SHAMELESS. Absolutely shameless. Even a $5 BJ hooker has a better moral code than this sociopath.

You need to buy this website.

wydok: I really don't understand why more people aren't pissed off about the Democrats telling some states to go fark themselves. What a joke of the Democratic process.

The Florida and Michigan Democratic Parties agreed to the primary calendar back in 2006. Florida didn't even try to get an earlier primary date. Then as the primary season got closer, they decided they were too good to follow the rules they signed off on.

They knew what the consequences would be and they went ahead and broke the rules anyways.

Not terribly difficult to comprehend.

MikeSass: On the bright side, Castro will be dead soon and when he is the embargo will almost certainly be lifted. At that point becoming a Cuban citizen might become attractive and financially rewarding as well.

Would be nice, and not have to go to Canada first to avoid arrest.

That said, I am of the hope of no more Clintons OR Bushes in ANY office higher than a state governor or city Mayor. Evar. But that's just how I feel.

The SC DNC delegation must of been pulling their hair out how to not look sexist or racist in deciding between a black guy and a woman as their next Prez of choice.

47 is the new 42: As a New York state resident, I apologize in advance if Hillary wins our primary. Unfortunately, since New York is a closed primary state, and I am not registered as a Democrat, I can't vote in the primary. Also, I have no idea why the hell we elected the carpet-bagging biatch that moved to New York very close to the minimum amount of time just so she could run for the Senate.

You can try redeeming your state in the future by somehow getting Spitzer to run for president in the near future.

//i might not even get to vote in my primary thanks to the ACLU! Woohoo!

TheConvincingSavant: I don't know about no chance, but you're right in that it would be a much tighter race.

Whether you guys do it by nominating Barry, or the Republicans do it by having McCain crush her in 2009, anything but a Hillary presidency will have been better for our country.

Yeah no chance is a bit much but I do think he will win against anything the Republicans can put up against him. Hillary will not only cause more Republicans to show up and vote but will scare off potential Democrat voters, including myself.

Shaggy_C: Do you suppose a lot of Dems reregistered as Republicans to have a primary vote that counted?

Maybe, I did not do the math but the turnout seems a little low compared to what we have been seeing this cycle. But there are other names on the primary card outside of the presidential. I personally would care more for the local state and other federal positions than to try to shift the otherguys results.

wydok: I'm pretty sure that's NOT what the founding fathers were intending.


Read Federalist #10. Madison knew that parties would form and detested that it would happen as a result of how our government was set up. Parties did form and are not a part of government so they get to establish their own rules. One of those rules is "thou shall not vote in your state primary prior to February 5th".

The states that did so were penalized. Dems hit them for all their delegates. Repubs hit them for half.

It doesn't really matter though. Whoever wins the nomination on both sides will most likely try to smooth things over by allowing those states to seat their delegates at the convention. Unless, of course, the Hildabeast gets those delegates to count before the convention (assuming she has won enough delegates in other state primaries). Then you will definitely hear some wailing and gnashing of teeth.

wydok:
I'm pretty sure that's NOT what the founding fathers were intending.

I didn't think the founding fathers said very much about political parties. Goes to show what I know!

How can you possibly argue that Florida should count? The candidates weren't even allowed to campaign or advertise in the state. It was basically a name recognition contest among people who were allowed zero real contact with the candidates.

Billary has no shame. They are obviously desperate to win somewhere to stem the "O"mentum...

Obama.

/*crosses fingers*

Wow, she's actually going to get away with this bullshiate and sleeze her way into the nomination. Well I was going to vote for Obama in the general election......

At this point I dont care who the Republicans field, I will vote for him/it. I just dont want to see that coont win, and if it destroys this country so be it. We farking well earned it.

/hope she chokes to death on a dead mules wang.

RKTeuthis: gonzoimperial:
She held fundraisers in Florida and staged a rally tonight. Those are things that the candidates agreed not to do quite a while back. She won because she lied.

They agreed not to campaign publicly.

Fundraisers aren't "campaigning."

A post-election rally doesn't affect polling and so is not "campaigning."

How are them sour grapes?

Congrats on spinning like a Rove Republican. How the HELL can you define fund raisers as not being campaigning? I guess next you're going to say the Obama campaign is in it's final throes?

I'm a lifelong dem, but I will NEVER vote for Hillary.

I'll got third party in 2008 if it comes to this.

Didn't Match Obama's South Carolina Numbers Did She?
And S.C actually counted.

How come we get this lot of candidates to choose between every 4 years.

Saiga410: But there are other names on the primary card outside of the presidential. I personally would care more for the local state and other federal positions than to try to shift the otherguys results.

Fair enough; was this not the case in Michigan? There was a push by several lefty websites encouraging Democrat voters to vote for Romney.

balloot: Billary has no shame.



What was your first clue?

As stated before, the Democrats in Florida earned their Florida Fark tag tonight!!!

Idiots...

Aexia 2008-01-29 11:34:34 PM

The Florida and Michigan Democratic Parties agreed to the primary calendar back in 2006.

An individual person is not a party. The "party heads" decide what goes on, and screws over the actual voters. How is that fair?

Gothmolly: What a cunning stunt !!

I would swap the "st" and "c".

If Obama thinks Clinton runs a sleazy campaign, wait till the GOP goes after him. If he wants to win, he needs to step up and fight.