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(Rocky Mountain News)   The Vail Daily newspaper has seven full pages of help-wanted ads, but only five ads for housing with the cheapest renting for $5,000 a month. "We have some ratio issues" says citys housing coordinator. Obvious tag basks in its glory   (rockymountainnews.com) divider line 115
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2008-01-29 02:45:37 PM
The last time I stopped in Vail, about 10 years ago, a Big Mac cost about $4, just for the burger. I see things haven't changed.
 
2008-01-29 02:50:48 PM
If things haven't changed much and it doesn't look like they have, most of the kids that work there do it for almost nothing because employers throw in a ski pass and housing (imagine a 2 bedroom condo with about 400 or so bunk beds in it) when you go to work there.
 
2008-01-29 03:22:08 PM
Step 1: Cut open fat guy in the streets of Vail with a light saber

Step 2: Buy a tarp

Step 3: Glue mailbox to decomposing fat guy carcass

Step 4: Strategically rearrange organs to create person-sized cavity

Step 5: Profit!
 
2008-01-29 03:42:31 PM
Sure there are problems but...but...SNOW BUNNIES!
 
2008-01-29 03:59:53 PM
Go about 15-20 miles west of Vail on I-70 and it's trailer park city. There must be thousands of them. None of them are anywhere near 5g's a month.
 
2008-01-29 05:35:08 PM
Why do these landlords hate America?

Are they looking for more gov't assisted "stimulus" ???
 
2008-01-29 05:36:11 PM
Vail is a second class North American ski resort
 
2008-01-29 05:37:04 PM
and I told you they weren't making any more land!

Idiots, today is the time to buy before prices rebound over the next 15 years
 
2008-01-29 05:37:15 PM
Who would want to LIVE in Vail?
 
Kat [TotalFark]
2008-01-29 05:37:49 PM
This is an issue in every resort town and shore point. They need people to work, they don't want to pay these workers much, but they only build million+ dollar houses.

its just silly. build one or two low income highrise apartment type deals, and you're golden. but noooo.
 
2008-01-29 05:37:58 PM
Cagey B: Step 1: Cut open fat guy in the streets of Vail with a light saber

Very glad I just finished my mocha.. since the keyboard is attached to laptop, could have been very bad. Thanks for the laugh.
 
2008-01-29 05:38:08 PM
Just do what the guys in Fort Mac do. Go for the money, live in your van/car for a year.
 
2008-01-29 05:38:15 PM
Whistler/Blackcomb has the same issues. Most of the people that work there have to find accommodation in mid-October, a month and a half before the season starts, and a month and a half before there's any work.

They say this will be solved before the 2010 Olympics. I guess that's when the magical affordable housing fairies make their appearance.
 
2008-01-29 05:39:02 PM
Ratio is right, you need a few jobs to get housing there.
 
2008-01-29 05:41:16 PM
The restaurant hasn't been able to attract employees in spite of raising wages for some positions nearly 40 percent over the past two years and offering perks such as free ski passes and health insurance.

Insurance is a perk? And secondary to ski passes?

This quote right here encapsulates every single thing that's wrong with the American health care system.
 
2008-01-29 05:41:17 PM
Vail: "yay we got rid of all the mexicans!"

six months later..

Vail: "shiat we're out of dishes"
 
2008-01-29 05:41:24 PM
I remember getting comped at Breckenridge for everything during ski season from my exes aunt and uncle. That included Vail to some degree. It still cost me more than I'd like to admit.
 
2008-01-29 05:42:34 PM
LeCollectif: Whistler/Blackcomb has the same issues. Most of the people that work there have to find accommodation in mid-October, a month and a half before the season starts, and a month and a half before there's any work.

They say this will be solved before the 2010 Olympics. I guess that's when the magical affordable housing fairies make their appearance.


At least Whistler has this
www.alohawhistler.com
and some other things going for them. Vail could shutdown all lifts and 80% of the visitors wouldn't notice as they're too busy shopping or going to a spa as physical exertion is so low-class
 
2008-01-29 05:42:52 PM
h to the 'ojo: Vail is a second class North American ski resort

Really? Where do you go that you would call "First Class" in North America? I liked Vail, even though it was much too expensive for me.
 
2008-01-29 05:42:53 PM
LeCollectif: Whistler/Blackcomb has the same issues. Most of the people that work there have to find accommodation in mid-October, a month and a half before the season starts, and a month and a half before there's any work.

Wahhhhhhh!
 
2008-01-29 05:44:25 PM
FTFA

The Vail Daily newspaper brims with seven full pages of help-wanted ads for pastry chefs, night hotel auditors, shuttle drivers and all the other jobs that keep the ski town humming.

Construction on new housing, meanwhile, is largely limited to plush second homes that are far beyond the reach of a two-person household making the median income of $89,600.


Something is wrong there. The median household income for two person households for jobs like those in TFA is definitely less than $90k. The median house hold income for people in the U.S. is $48,201 according to Wiki. The median income for people who are buying a second house in Vail is definitely above $90k. So where the hell did they get that number from?
 
2008-01-29 05:46:12 PM
Same thing at any resort............Rich folks refusing to pay their way with adequate wages and living conditions for those they would enslave.
 
2008-01-29 05:47:16 PM
for example: See Leona Hemsley
 
2008-01-29 05:47:28 PM
geosprint: Same thing at any resort............Rich folks refusing to pay their way with adequate wages and living conditions for those they would enslave.

I didn't realize people were forced to work in Vail.

3/10
 
2008-01-29 05:47:42 PM
Treygreen13: h to the 'ojo: Vail is a second class North American ski resort

Really? Where do you go that you would call "First Class" in North America? I liked Vail, even though it was much too expensive for me.


Telluride - Ski like you know how.
 
2008-01-29 05:52:25 PM
I bet they even have white kids working at McDonald's.
 
2008-01-29 05:52:26 PM
b>h to the 'ojo: Vail is a second class North American ski resort

Um, yeah. Whatever. If you had said Snowbird I would agree.
 
2008-01-29 05:53:08 PM
People don't want free ski passes and health insurance to live somewhere expensive and inconvenient.

They want free hookers.

GET A CLUE, PEOPLE!
 
2008-01-29 05:53:13 PM
statsman: b>h to the 'ojo: Vail is a second class North American ski resort

Um, yeah. Whatever. If you had said Snowbird I would agree.


Vail is above Aspen but below Jackson Hole
 
2008-01-29 05:53:18 PM
creepy, its like looking into the future. This is what is happening to Steamboat Spring, CO
Lots of new second home owners coming here with lots of money from elsewhere, raising the housing costs and rent costs to ridiculus amounts.

/moved out of town and bought a condo because rent went too high
 
2008-01-29 05:53:30 PM
Dicky B: Ratio is right, you need a few jobs to get housing there.

Hah. Win.
 
2008-01-29 05:54:12 PM
SnakeLee: FTFA

The Vail Daily newspaper brims with seven full pages of help-wanted ads for pastry chefs, night hotel auditors, shuttle drivers and all the other jobs that keep the ski town humming.

Construction on new housing, meanwhile, is largely limited to plush second homes that are far beyond the reach of a two-person household making the median income of $89,600.

Something is wrong there. The median household income for two person households for jobs like those in TFA is definitely less than $90k. The median house hold income for people in the U.S. is $48,201 according to Wiki. The median income for people who are buying a second house in Vail is definitely above $90k. So where the hell did they get that number from?


Super rich people who buy second homes don't pay taxes or live in Vail. People who take advantage of such people do, so they earn more than the average US median income but don't earn as much as the people they are taking advantage of.
 
2008-01-29 05:54:48 PM
NightOwl2255: Go about 15-20 miles west of Vail on I-70 and it's trailer park city. There must be thousands of them. None of them are anywhere near 5g's a month.

There are also plenty of jobs there. Why commute into Vail for the same wages?
 
2008-01-29 05:55:50 PM
Can you imagine how much the Starbucks make there? I bet they make more in Vail than all of Seattle.
 
2008-01-29 05:58:08 PM
On the other hand, this is a great opportunity for short-order cooks who consider themselves "outdoorsy".
 
2008-01-29 05:59:46 PM
LeCollectif: They say this will be solved before the 2010 Olympics. I guess that's when the magical affordable housing fairies make their appearance.

Yikes. If you want to TOTALLY destroy a city, ruin its infrastructure, and gank up housing prices to the nth degree, so that you and a few buddies can make beaucoup cash, get the Olympics to come to your town.
 
2008-01-29 05:59:56 PM
moxcord: creepy, its like looking into the future. This is what is happening to Steamboat Spring, CO
Lots of new second home owners coming here with lots of money from elsewhere, raising the housing costs and rent costs to ridiculus amounts.

/moved out of town and bought a condo because rent went too high


That's sad, as a kid my folks had a condo in the Storm Meadows buildings. I spent many a winter there just skiing. Last time I went up there I was saddened by the number of new places going up a the base.
 
2008-01-29 06:00:15 PM
highendmighty: Treygreen13: h to the 'ojo: Vail is a second class North American ski resort

Really? Where do you go that you would call "First Class" in North America? I liked Vail, even though it was much too expensive for me.

Telluride - Ski like you know how.


Telluride is nice, sure. But for overall lodging, dining and proximity to other resorts, I'd take Vail.

There's plenty of variety in terrain and breathtaking views. The lift system is very capable of handling a large number of people, and the availability of ski rental locations is diverse.

I'd say it's first-class, but whatever.
 
2008-01-29 06:00:50 PM
This is kinda funny. I just met a teacher up in Vail that lives with 6 other people in a house. She pays 800 a month. 1 dude lives in the laundry room.
Last time I was at Vail I spent 15 dollars in parking, 18.50 for lunch. I would complain but the amount of untouched powder I got into that day made it all worth it.
 
2008-01-29 06:01:06 PM
What? You mean if you depress or stagnate wages while living expenses naturally increase people won't relocate to take jobs that don't pay them enough to live there? My Dog, why couldn't we see this coming? I don't know about any of you, but I'm astoudipated!
 
2008-01-29 06:02:28 PM
highendmighty: \Telluride - Ski like you know how.

Preach it brother.

/Learned to ski in t'hell-u-ride
//Was a pre-teen in Ouray in the 70's
///Somehow got out without substance abuse issues
 
2008-01-29 06:04:03 PM
highendmighty: Treygreen13: h to the 'ojo: Vail is a second class North American ski resort

Really? Where do you go that you would call "First Class" in North America? I liked Vail, even though it was much too expensive for me.

Telluride - Ski like you know how.


Yeah, Telluride USED to be cool, too much money there now. Try again.
 
2008-01-29 06:04:48 PM
Vail sucks

/ would be nice if all the "hip" people left
// Skiing? What's that? I got Vail for the shopping
 
2008-01-29 06:07:05 PM
Taos, biatches.
 
2008-01-29 06:08:07 PM
They should build igloos.


/Has House in Telluride
//Doesn't Ski
 
2008-01-29 06:09:32 PM
Too bad the cities where the ski areas never stepped in. Of course when developers and not cities develop ski areas in the first place...welcome to crap. It's rather sad when you hear that people who live somewhere ski less than some bratty tourists because lift tickets cost too much.
 
2008-01-29 06:09:53 PM
trueaustinite: Taos, biatches.

Albuquerque opens the west slope of the Sandia's just for Texans.

Taos sucks. Hit Angel Fire for way better powder and skiing.

/ Don't worry New Mexico, I won't mention the best slopes
 
2008-01-29 06:10:41 PM
They could abandon zoning and go Houston-style, but all the hipsters would get angry.
 
2008-01-29 06:12:21 PM
boot20: Albuquerque opens the west slope of the Sandia's just for Texans.

I don't stop there on my way to Santa Fe.

Taos sucks.

Uh, ok. Yeah.
 
2008-01-29 06:14:29 PM
SnakeLee:
Something is wrong there. The median household income for two person households for jobs like those in TFA is definitely less than $90k. The median house hold income for people in the U.S. is $48,201 according to Wiki. The median income for people who are buying a second house in Vail is definitely above $90k. So where the hell did they get that number from?

There's nothing "wrong here". It makes perfect sense that a community as expensive as Vail would have higher average salaries as it costs more to live there. Also, as stores are charging higher prices for goods, they can pay higher prices for labor.

$90k in vail won't go as far as it would in Kentucky, but then $90k in California wouldn't go as far as it would in Idaho. The value of currency doesn't only change when it crosses a national border.

Someone earning $100k in Orange County could easily be poorer than someone earning $60k in Illinois because the cost of living is so radically different, and it's the same situation with Vail vs. the rest of the country.
 
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