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(Philly.com)   Okay, tasing the man to wake him up was bad enough, but it really made him mad when the police tased him two more times for good measure AFTER he showed them identification and explained that he lived there   (philly.com) divider line 264
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2008-01-25 06:18:19 AM
slobarnuts: "I'd rather get hit with a Taser than a .40 caliber,"

This is called a false dichotomy.
You see, the thing about it is, shooting someone who is sleeping is considered manslaughter at the very least. So in this particular instance shooting someone was never really an option to begin with.


Y'know I think that guy was speaking from the perspective of being the one on the couch.
 
2008-01-25 06:47:20 AM
What make me sick in these cases us how the cops "close ranks" and go out of their way to protect these wastes of oxygen.

In any other job on this planet, you screw up and make your profession look bad, you are frogmarched out the door.

Goddamn cops think because they supposedly "face death every day on the job" that they are some sort of "brotherhood" and should always stick together.

This, piggies, is why the public only respects you out of fear (and the fact you think that speed traps and pot possession deserve 99.99% of your resources!)
 
2008-01-25 07:24:01 AM
The officers had responded to a silent alarm about 2:45 a.m. on July 28. Even after Hicks explained to them that he lived there and the officers saw his identification, police shocked him twice more, Hicks said.

Even if they're jackass cops, I don't believe this. If this happened, there's something he's not telling us.

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Hicks, of North Braddock, filed a lawsuit against borough officials on Wednesday in Allegheny County Court. In it, he accuses the police department of false arrest, battery, assault, intentional infliction of emotional distress and slander.

If what he says is true, I agree with all of these charges except the slander part, since they were only speaking amongst themselves. For it to be slander, you have to be spreading lies, which I don't think qualifies with cops speaking internally amongst themselves. If they'd said it in a press release, it'd be a different matter.

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After the encounter in his home, Hicks was taken to the police department, where he was kept for about two to three hours in a holding cell, despite asking for medical treatment, the suit said. He was released and no charges were filed. Hicks then went to a hospital for treatment. He said his back and neck were injured and that his nerves were damaged.

Tasers can cause a temporary tingling sensation for a while after you're hit with one. It's a side-effect of having electricity run through them. A tasing doesn't cause permanent nerve damage, so he's full of crap on that one.

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Hicks wasn't asleep, Wiehagen said, he was on the couch prone. The officers could not be certain he was unarmed and Hicks "didn't respond to their reasonable commands," he said.

Obviously, the cops aren't telepathic, so unless he was facing them with his eyes open, there's no way they'd know if he was asleep or not. This is pure BS, and clearly they got lazy and just tased him instead of trying to get a better handle on the situation.

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"I'd rather get hit with a Taser than a .40 caliber," Wiehagen said.

Quote of the year right there. Is he saying he'd kill someone in lieu of tasing them? Perhaps if they're an armed attacker this quote would work, but since it was a guy laying on a couch, his quote is rather misplaced.

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Wiehagen said officers also found a small amount of marijuana on Hicks, but opted not to file charges because they didn't want to bog down the court system.

Oh, there we go. Cops not filing charges because they don't want to bog down the system? What upstanding gentlemen! Upstanding knee-deep in bullshiat, that is. That whole marijuana thing was obviously thrown in at the last second to try and cast doubt on the "suspect".

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Overall, the cops acted very poorly, but this guys is a moron for waiting this long to plead his case, which makes me wonder how much of it is true and how much is BS. Regardless, tasing someone that's laying prone on a couch is bad form unless they're verbally threatening you with "I've got a gun, pigs!"
 
2008-01-25 07:48:18 AM

@ sickbeef

BTW I've been tased by a cop for walking out of my apartment and walking to my car while they dealt with a unrelated domestic dispute in the apartment next door. I heard them yelling to get on the ground but never imagined they were talking to me, seeing as I had just walked out of my apartment. I was tased, cuffed, and placed in a cruiser before they realized I hadn't done a goddamn thing. Before everyone says "You should've sued", I tried but the case was thrown out by a judge who ruled that it was a frivolous suit.


Sounds about par for the course.

A police state always needs a sizable majority of the people it presides over to actively kowtow and defend it all costs. Meaning people not specifically attached to it.

Keep in mind that the number of revolutionaries in the 1770's that banded together against the British was somewhere around 13% of the population. There were a whole pantload more that actively fought against the revolution who were "normal citizens" in their day and not explicitly attached to the British government.

Same thing, different day. Fact is, most people *love* authority, even unjust, poorly wielded, deadly dangerous authority. What happened to you is no surprise then, especially the part where they threw out the charges later.

Humans. Easiest to lead into chains and the hardest to keep there. Meh.
 
2008-01-25 08:07:38 AM
This is why I smile, when police officers die.
 
2008-01-25 08:10:55 AM
Shoot for the face and neck, they wear vests.
 
2008-01-25 08:13:28 AM
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2008-01-25 08:16:52 AM
Starry Heavens: Admittedly, you'd think that normally you'd wake up when the police enter your house, although apparently I slept through having eight police cars camp out in front of my house a few weeks ago, so you never know.


If you're used to sleeping with noise, you can sleep through just about anything. And some folks have trained themselves to only wake up to certain sounds. Yell at 'em, poke em, nothin'... but as soon as their cell phone / alarm goes off it's like you flipped a switch.

I've slept through fire alarms myself. Those klaxon wall-mount ones you usually see in office buildings and hotels. Which is really comforting to know. If I can sleep through that, my little 9V battery on a beeper here at home stands no chance.
 
2008-01-25 08:17:28 AM
Malinki: But no, everyone's gotta jump on the 'lynch the pigs' bandwagon.

So, after the lynching . . . I get bacon?
 
2008-01-25 08:18:54 AM
BigSol81: If what he says is true, I agree with all of these charges except the slander part, since they were only speaking amongst themselves. For it to be slander, you have to be spreading lies, which I don't think qualifies with cops speaking internally amongst themselves. If they'd said it in a press release, it'd be a different matter.

True, then it would be libel.
 
2008-01-25 08:37:41 AM
Nobodyn0se: Moonk: um, Wrong. My gf has SVT (supraventriculartachycardia) and the simple strees induced by the tasing would be enough to cause an episode.

Everything i've read about the Taser (and it's a lot, 2 graduate papers on the subject) has told be otherwise. Got a cite to back it up?


here, asshole...Link (new window)

I read yer profile. Yer a Grad student in Criminal justice, apparently with ZERO real life experience. You give me cause to completely avoid the criminal state of texas. You are NOT conservative, regardless of the quote you maintain in your profile that mocks what you "perceive" to be liberal attitudes. In fact, maintaining that quote implies to me that...in YOUR amurka, there IS NO ROOM for peaceful ecologically minded citizens.

You sir, represent EVERYTHING that is tearing this country down.

I sincerely HATE you and EVERYTHING you stand for.

You are ignorant of the civil rights guaranteed to ALL OF US by the constitution, and you would seem to GLADLY lock up and TORTURE BY ELECTRIC SHOCK, anyone who disagrees with your xenophobic world view.

FARK YOU. FARK WHAT YOU STAND FOR! AND FARK YOUR ASSHOLE ATTITUDE.

You are an ignorant douchebag and will deserve every bad thing that happens to you in the revolution that you and yours are forcing on the rest of us who actually believe in the constitution and are sickened by what you and yours are doing to it.

Don't taze ME bro....cause I'll blow your farking head off.
 
2008-01-25 08:39:37 AM
Same goes for you Malinki...
 
2008-01-25 08:45:21 AM
NobodyNose and malinki,

Just so ya know, I smoke weeg here and there, but I have NEVER ONCE sat around the camp fire singing Kumbaya

You idiots wouldn't know a true conservative, even when they're beating you up with facts and documents.
 
2008-01-25 08:47:06 AM
weed even...
 
2008-01-25 08:52:40 AM
I still wonder why people get all weepy and indignant when one of these thug enforcers get killed while they're doing this shiat. We should celebrate those events.
 
2008-01-25 08:58:33 AM
HotWingConspiracy: I still wonder why people get all weepy and indignant when one of these thug enforcers get killed while they're doing this shiat. We should celebrate those events.

Maybe Phred Felps and his phamily would like to get involved.
 
2008-01-25 09:00:09 AM
lajimi: HotWingConspiracy: I still wonder why people get all weepy and indignant when one of these thug enforcers get killed while they're doing this shiat. We should celebrate those events.

Maybe Phred Felps and his phamily would like to get involved.


I actually wonder why they don't. Aren't the police part of the phag conspiracy?
 
2008-01-25 09:00:14 AM
There was just a story on the radio 'round here this morning about a guy in a jail cell that was tased for acting up and died.

The official report stated that the officers responded appropriately by tasing him and that he just dropped dea. Made no mention of beating his brains into a bloody pulp and manually inserting a few .45 slugs in his chest for good measure.
 
2008-01-25 09:00:51 AM
the guy was prolly drunk and high and hit the silent alarm by accident. but since they can't prove it, and he did nothing else wrong (aside from the marijuana they found and did not charge him for) he is free. but the drunken highness explains the unresponsiveness and lack of cooperation. i say take it easy on the tasing, but the guy shouldn't be quite to enthusiastic to sue either.
 
2008-01-25 09:01:36 AM
read: "dead"
 
2008-01-25 09:01:44 AM
HotWingConspiracy: I still wonder why people get all weepy and indignant when one of these thug enforcers get killed while they're doing this shiat. We should celebrate those events.

I go out for a beer, a shot and a good laugh. Another state sanctioned criminal bites the big one.
 
2008-01-25 09:06:07 AM
You are an ignorant douchebag and will deserve every bad thing that happens to you in the revolution...

dunamai.com
 
2008-01-25 09:15:14 AM
Think I'd probably be quite a bit frickin pissed off if a cop tased me in the middle of the night for no reason.

If there were no side effects or injuries, I'd probably accept an apology from that cop and have a few laughs over a few beers.

Then I would insist that the cop either let me taser them back or kick them in the junk.

/but then again, I'm pretty sick in the head
 
2008-01-25 09:19:44 AM
barjockey: You are an ignorant douchebag and will deserve every bad thing that happens to you in the revolution...that you and yours are forcing on the rest of us who actually believe in the constitution and are sickened by what you and yours are doing to it.

FTFYAH

Selective editing is a favorite tactic of liars the world over.

Quote the whole thing or don't quote it at all.
 
2008-01-25 09:31:53 AM
barjockey:

Wow. Look who it is! Talk about a blast from the past.

I don't know what to say, except shut up, you cock.

And welcome back.
 
2008-01-25 09:54:14 AM
Nobodyn0se: AGain, I'd love to see a cite that the Taser is in any way more dangerous to people with heart problems. Not saying it's impossible, just saying I've never read anything about it.

Here you go, dumbass.
 
2008-01-25 09:59:47 AM
picturescrazy: Nobodyn0se:
Please read the post directly above yours.

First, in what I cited, the coroner DID blame the taser. Second of all, tens of thousands? Let's say 30,000? And 30 deaths? That's one death per thousand uses. That's still unacceptably high when these things are used so liberally.


http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/11882

Article dated Jun 2006 and its up to 180 and high enough for the justice department to do a safety review. I am going to see if I can find the outcome of that review.
 
2008-01-25 10:03:29 AM
hey Reggaenomics...sinc eyou and I both posted google search links...I've thought about this, and do ya really think that a guy who is TOO FARKING LAZY to do their OWN google is actually gonna waste the effort needed to click on our links?

Nah. Aint gonna happen.

See...this kind of authoritarian personality can't afford to be proven wrong. Therefor, they would never ever follow through with someone else's research, which, in all likelihood....would prove them to be, not just wrong, but would actually show that they've been lied to by the authorities in whom they've placed all their faith in. Their fragile egos could not survive this kind of earth shattering blow.

it would destroy their entire world, and they know it.

Therefor, they CHOOSE to stay ignorant.
 
2008-01-25 10:05:48 AM
Nobodyn0se:
2. If the officers do all in their power to get the man to comply verbally, and even try and grab the guy and force him to stand up, and he still resists, then a taser is the safest thing they can do at that point to force compliance.


1. Guy won't stand up.
2. Taser him so that he has no muscular control.
3. Guy can't stand up.
images.art.com
 
2008-01-25 10:06:49 AM
Nobodyn0se: Greywar: lets see....

CBS news lists 70 deaths...and the article is 2004.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/earlyshow/main648859.shtml

Oh but wait, you're saying only 11 where the taser is the ONLY cause of death?

The level of pure "I can't hear you lalalalala" is impressive.

So if I shoot you, and you die from the shock or stress of it...I didn't kill you with a gun? Right?

Let's turn that around. If I taser you, then shoot you, what do you think the cause of death was? Cause those incidents are included all the time in the "numbers of people killed by the taser" written up by anti-taser groups.

I don't trust that 70 number at all.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-03-17-tasers-usat_x.htm

In 2005 the DHS's ICE and CBP banned their use due to the danger...

http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/11338

Study by National academy of forensic engineers finds that tasers are 39X more powerfull than the manufacturer claims. Taser then sues them for it.

Also the US FARKING ARMY doesnt even want their guys shocked with them for training citing risks for a ventricular fibrillation

"In a separate finding, the Army also concluded last year that Tasers could cause ventricular fibrillation, the irregular heart rhythm characteristic of a heart attack.

A memorandum from the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland, where the Army develops, tests and evaluates weapons, said, "Seizures and ventricular fibrillation can be induced by the electric current."

At issue was whether soldiers should be shocked with the stun guns during training exercises, as Taser recommends.

The Army's occupational health sciences director determined that Taser is an effective weapon but added in the February 2005 memo that "the practice of using these weapons on U.S. Army military and civilian forces in training is not recommended, given the potential risks.""


also...

"Several law enforcement agencies have filed lawsuits accusing Taser of misleading them about the stun gun's safety and claim that the company failed to conduct adequate tests before selling the weapon. Some police departments have delayed or halted Taser purchases because of safety concerns."
 
2008-01-25 10:09:36 AM
Every time I read an article about an overzealous cop tasing someone for no reason, I think of Farva in the fast food joint just being a total bastard to the kid because he could. That's pretty much how I imagine the majority of cops. Giving that kind of person a taser is just asking for a lawsuit.
 
2008-01-25 10:10:18 AM
Cops. Is there one person still alive who has even a SHRED of respect for them and their profession?
 
2008-01-25 10:14:32 AM
Nobodyn0se: FarkingSean: Tasers should be used in lieu of lethal force,

That's a REALLY dumb idea that will end up with more officer injuries, more officer deaths, and more suspect deaths. Do you really want that?


"It's safer for the police that way" is not a justification for violating civil liberties. If you want a safe job, don't become a cop.
 
2008-01-25 10:19:54 AM
ciberido: Nobodyn0se: FarkingSean: Tasers should be used in lieu of lethal force,

That's a REALLY dumb idea that will end up with more officer injuries, more officer deaths, and more suspect deaths. Do you really want that?

"It's safer for the police that way" is not a justification for violating civil liberties. If you want a safe job, don't become a cop.



If cops would stop treating citizens like the enemy, being a cop would stop being such a dangerous job.

Since the cop actually works for the citizen, it's the cop's responsibility to acknowledge the citizen and change THEIR behavior.
 
2008-01-25 10:21:52 AM
danlpoon: Cops. Is there one person still alive who has even a SHRED of respect for them and their profession?

There's a few badge kissers floating around just like there's STILL people around that support the clown in the White House. You CAN fool some of the people ALL of the time.
 
2008-01-25 10:23:18 AM
I had a dream the other night where cops had modified their tasers to give prolonged shocks. It wasn't so much of a "disrupt neurological signals" effect as a "disabling pain" effect.

After a five minute torture session, I'd adapted to the pain. A rebellion followed, but I woke up before it got anywhere.
 
2008-01-25 10:24:25 AM
Saborlas: I had a dream the other night where cops had modified their tasers to give prolonged shocks. It wasn't so much of a "disrupt neurological signals" effect as a "disabling pain" effect.

After a five minute torture session, I'd adapted to the pain. A rebellion followed, but I woke up before it got anywhere.


A newsletter, do you has one?
 
2008-01-25 10:30:49 AM
Actually, lots of jobs that get no respect for being dangerous, no benefits, nothing; are more dangerous than being a cop.

Being a cop is a safe job. A construction workers, fisherman, pizza delivery boy all have more dangerous jobs.

Only they don't get to go around tazzin people because of it.
 
2008-01-25 10:41:46 AM
Wow, I go get some sleep and look what happens. Revolution! Destroy the police state!

Crybabies. Grow the fark up and quit the Internet Toughguy Club, I used to listen to Rage Against the Machine, too.

Just sit back and wait, I'll be happy to post the followup when the case gets tossed.
 
2008-01-25 10:44:48 AM
Malinki: Wow, I go get some sleep and look what happens. Revolution! Destroy the police state!

Crybabies. Grow the fark up and quit the Internet Toughguy Club, I used to listen to Rage Against the Machine, too.

Just sit back and wait, I'll be happy to post the followup when the case gets tossed.


Oh, wait, I forgot... If the case gets tossed, it's 'cause the Shadow Governemnt ordered it. Gotta keep the police state in control, y'know.

Whining excuses.
 
2008-01-25 10:46:17 AM
Malinki: Wow, I go get some sleep and look what happens. Revolution! Destroy the police state!

Crybabies. Grow the fark up and quit the Internet Toughguy Club, I used to listen to Rage Against the Machine, too.

Just sit back and wait, I'll be happy to post the followup when the case gets tossed.


If the case were to get "tossed", it'd hardly prove that all was sweet and rosie with the system. Indeed, it could equally well be seen as an further indictment of it.

/just sayin'
 
2008-01-25 10:47:21 AM
I see you pre-empted my post.

Not that your pre-emption amounts to a rebuttal of it.
 
2008-01-25 10:48:01 AM
It's amazing how often they misuse the taser on the show Cops.
It will be after they give the suspect two commands to do something, then the tazer.
Usually the suspect will have his hands in the air but they aren't moving fast enough for the cop.
 
2008-01-25 10:49:00 AM
Malinki: Wow, I go get some sleep and look what happens. Revolution! Destroy the police state!

Crybabies. Grow the fark up and quit the Internet Toughguy Club, I used to listen to Rage Against the Machine, too.

Just sit back and wait, I'll be happy to post the followup when the case gets tossed.


I take it, then, that you believe the constitution is just some piece of paper that can be ignored when it's inconvenient to your vision of Amurka?

Nah...'tis YOU and YOURS who are full of it.

PS...there's no shadow government doing "it". It's law and order conservatives doing "it".

Rot in hell.
 
2008-01-25 10:51:24 AM
PS...Malinki...I have never listened to Rage against the Machine. I'm 50 farking years old and disgusted with what YOU and YOURS have done to this nation.
 
2008-01-25 10:53:56 AM
TheGreatUnwashed: Malinki: Wow, I go get some sleep and look what happens. Revolution! Destroy the police state!

Crybabies. Grow the fark up and quit the Internet Toughguy Club, I used to listen to Rage Against the Machine, too.

Just sit back and wait, I'll be happy to post the followup when the case gets tossed.

If the case were to get "tossed", it'd hardly prove that all was sweet and rosie with the system. Indeed, it could equally well be seen as an further indictment of it.

/just sayin'


Yeah, I know, I was just going off on the 'police state' wingnuts.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence :)

thepull: It's amazing how often they misuse the taser on the show Cops.
It will be after they give the suspect two commands to do something, then the tazer.
Usually the suspect will have his hands in the air but they aren't moving fast enough for the cop.


Wow, how often do you watch that show? I've seen hundreds of idiots on there getting tased because they were trying to get away. I've even seen guys on there trying to argue things to the cops that are on video, yet they still kick, scream, and cry that they are as pure as the driven snow. That's why I double-checked, and found out that this particular guy has got a criminal past. And what a past, too. Like I said, guy's probably lucky he didn't get a DUI on the way home.
 
2008-01-25 10:57:42 AM
X-boxershorts:
Rot in hell.


That's the only thing coming out of you that's worth any kind of respect. Name-calling.

Again, grow up. Yeah, the President's an idiot, no I didn't vote for him. Satisfied? Now stick to the subject.

X-boxershorts: PS...Malinki...I have never listened to Rage against the Machine. I'm 50 farking years old and disgusted with what YOU and YOURS have done to this nation.

Well guess what, it's not me and mine, 'cause I'm a LOT closer to your age than you think. And if you're going to jump to conclusions based on those half-assed articles, then you need to up your Geritol, granpa, or maybe clean out the colostomy bag.

You haven't seen the police report, you haven't seen the medical report, you haven't seen the FBI's report, and others are still investigating. But obviously, if the 'victim' says it happened, it did, just exactly the way he said it.

Idiot.
 
2008-01-25 11:02:13 AM
They've carved themselves off from society and live by a different set of rules. They're as much a criminal as anyone they arrest. We just don't have a any cops to police the cops. It doesn't make what they do "right" or legal.
 
2008-01-25 11:07:17 AM
No name calling there Malinki...just a suggestion to the authoritarians.

Your comment is full of "FAIL".

Half assed articles is right. media is worthless. news is a joke. But when the lawyer for the police say things like.."he wasn't asleep on the couch, he was "prone" on the (his own) couch (in his own house)...then those cops have an issue with truth.

Your support for them, albeit very passive, has the same issue.

the tazer has become a tool to enforce submission of the citizenry, when they "appear" unresponsive. And that is NOT ok. Sitting back passively and saying.."hey..maybe it is" is the same as passive approval of police enforcing an otherwise law abiding citizen into submission.
 
2008-01-25 11:08:33 AM
PS...you have now resorted to name calling. Show some maturity old fart.
 
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