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2008-01-24 06:25:44 PM  
But how is babby formed? How girl get pragnant? And for that matter, how do I shot web?

/Worst `resouce' on the entire internets
 
2008-01-24 06:47:30 PM  
This is almost as lame as the sites who censor suggestions to use peer to peer file sharing.
 
2008-01-24 06:49:15 PM  
Date published: Wed, 25/04/2007

Oh yeah, that's one hot and breaking scoop ya got there, Ric.
 
2008-01-24 06:50:50 PM  
Almost as lame as sites that don't let you use IE to view them.

/uses both, for different things
 
2008-01-24 06:53:15 PM  
Yahoo answers is the highway rest stop of the internet community.
 
2008-01-24 07:16:16 PM  
LOL

a fellow Yahoo'er posted a question about what to do with a PC that had run into unsolvable Windows problems, since that user did not have a Windows install disc. Amanda suggested, quite amiably, that the hapless user should simply install Ubuntu Linux, since it looked like they'd need to start over from scratch anyway

Nice summary to what amounts to a person asking help with a Windows problem and someone posting "install Linux".

I'd like to have seen the original question and answer.

It's like on TFD, someone will ask "how can I get simple file sharing working on my XP laptop" and some assholes will just say "get a Mac" "get Linux". It's just noise, it's repetitive and annoying, and though I don't mind ignoring it on TF, if it was this sort of crap I have no problem with Yahoo for getting rid of it.

And I read this guy's post:

Yahoo Answers are extremely biased, and I have been 'suspended' in four consecutive identities, and my accounts locked up

Hmmm, can't figure out why? Wonder if you're a huge asshole if you're getting four consecutive identities suspended, dumbass.

BTW here are a couple of topics that, shocking though it may be, were not "censored" by Yahoo Answers:

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

/never uses Yahoo answers
 
2008-01-24 07:30:15 PM  
That Something Aweful Flash Cartoon about "Where do babbies come from?" essentially sums up my feelings of Yahoo answers.
 
2008-01-24 07:43:23 PM  
I totally agree with the idea that withholding information based on software preference is totally wrong.
 
2008-01-24 07:47:35 PM  
slobarnuts: That Something Aweful Flash Cartoon about "Where do babbies come from?" essentially sums up my feelings of Yahoo answers.

Link, please!
 
2008-01-24 07:56:34 PM  
conductormtm: slobarnuts: That Something Aweful Flash Cartoon about "Where do babbies come from?" essentially sums up my feelings of Yahoo answers.

Link, please!


http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf

It really isn't all that.
 
2008-01-24 08:00:57 PM  
People who say "Install Ubuntu" when someone asks for help with a Windows issue are farking retarded assholes who live in LaLa Land. Ubuntu isn't any easier to use than Windows, and in fact is far more difficult to get up and running barring Ubuntu having all the drivers needed specifically for your system without having to open the command line, edit xorg.conf files and other fun shiat, not to mention heaving to unlock respositories because they *GASP* have closed-source applications and drivers (TEH HORROR!).

Ubuntu users piss me off because the majority of them are just technical enough to move away from Windows yet couldn't operate a real Linux system if it didn't have synaptic and pretty eye candy and tools to automate damn near everything for you, yet despite that, their more smug than most Mac-used asstoads I've come across.
 
2008-01-24 08:01:26 PM  
tallguywithglasseson: LOL

I just assumed that it was over-sensationalized too. I'm sure that whatever was deleted -- err, "censored" wasn't a peer-reviewed and quality answer. Hence, it was removed. But no, the Linux Victims™ were upset.
 
2008-01-24 08:07:43 PM  
But no, the Linux Victims™ were upset.

Help! Help! I'm being oppressed. Now you see the violence inherent in the system!
 
2008-01-24 08:08:35 PM  
Have you tried removing the cartridge and blowing on it?
 
2008-01-24 08:16:31 PM  
Oooska: People who say "Install Ubuntu" when someone asks for help with a Windows issue are farking retarded assholes who live in LaLa Land. Ubuntu isn't any easier to use than Windows, and in fact is far more difficult to get up and running barring Ubuntu having all the drivers needed specifically for your system without having to open the command line, edit xorg.conf files and other fun shiat, not to mention heaving to unlock respositories because they *GASP* have closed-source applications and drivers (TEH HORROR!).

Ubuntu users piss me off because the majority of them are just technical enough to move away from Windows yet couldn't operate a real Linux system if it didn't have synaptic and pretty eye candy and tools to automate damn near everything for you, yet despite that, their more smug than most Mac-used asstoads I've come across.


You biatch about how Ubuntu is more difficult to set up than Windows, then you biatch that Ubuntu does everything automatically. I think it's safe to say you're a Vista user trying to justify your purchase. I run XP on my PC and Ubuntu on my laptop, and I've never once had a problem installing Ubuntu, whereas I've never once had XP install properly the first time. You can throw temper tantrums and call names all you like, but at the end of the day, I'm not the one paying money for software with problems.
 
2008-01-24 08:29:36 PM  
Krymore: I've never once had XP install properly the first time.

Then you are a mental incompetent. Seriously. Or you've done like one total, but still use the phrase "I've never" like that means something.
 
2008-01-24 08:39:18 PM  
Look, I run Ubuntu, I love Ubuntu, and I will stand up for Ubuntu in any OS flamewar.

And I think these folks are overreacting. Linux isn't for everyone.
 
2008-01-24 08:40:03 PM  
Krymore: I've never once had a problem installing Ubuntu, whereas I've never once had XP install properly the first time.

Seriously dude...you're doing it wrong. I use Ubuntu, WinXP and Vista routinely. Installing Windows has always been a much easier process (mostly because Windows drivers are widely available and simple to install).

How about this: instead of stupid OS wars, you use the tool that you think is best for the job, and I'll do likewise, mkay?
 
2008-01-24 08:42:20 PM  
I played around with Yahoo Answers a bit. Had a little fun answering questions, but it always seemed like inane crap was picked as the best answer, or the questions were utterly ridiculous (such as the "how is babby formed" one, although that looks like a case of a Pakistani girl who may or may not have had the chance to learn that).

/Also destroyed the last of the faith I had in today's teens' spelling/grammar abilities.
 
2008-01-24 08:48:30 PM  
Corydon: (mostly because Windows drivers are widely available and simple to install).

Simple to install, if you choose to give yourself a nice steamy spyware injection. Seriously, when did it become mandatory for hardware manufacturers to bundle weatherbug like products and half a dozen completely unnecessary startup tray icons with their drivers?

/Yes, I know how to get rid of them.
//But why should I have to?
 
2008-01-24 08:50:48 PM  
Oooska: Ubuntu users piss me off

Well. Sorry.

Install Fedora.
 
2008-01-24 08:52:50 PM  
queezyweezel: Yahoo answers is the highway rest stop breakdown lane of the internet community.

FTFY
 
2008-01-24 08:53:22 PM  
it is funny to read some of the retarded things people say and answer their math homework problems wrong. lol
 
2008-01-24 08:55:38 PM  
ccmods: Seriously, when did it become mandatory for hardware manufacturers to bundle weatherbug like products and half a dozen completely unnecessary startup tray icons with their drivers?

Good gods what hardware are you running?

The worst I've had has been Nvidia/ATI stuff which comes with annoying systray jobbers, but you can opt out of that (try the custom install). Insisting on installing third party apps, let alone spyware, is pretty much suicide for any reputable company, so again, what hardware do you have with drivers that do this?
 
2008-01-24 08:58:21 PM  
Oooska: ... not to mention heaving to unlock respositories because they *GASP* have closed-source applications and drivers (TEH HORROR!).

Ubuntu users piss me off because the majority of them are just technical enough to move away from Windows yet couldn't operate a real Linux system if it didn't have synaptic and pretty eye candy and tools to automate damn near everything for you, yet despite that, their more smug than most Mac-used asstoads I've come across.


You know what would help make you not sound like you're "heaving" a stroke as you type? Firefox.

/ah yes: Ubuntu user here.
 
2008-01-24 09:09:07 PM  
AaaPha: Insisting on installing third party apps, let alone spyware, is pretty much suicide for any reputable company, so again, what hardware do you have with drivers that do this?

The particular one I did recently was a driver for an HP printer. A few months back I got frustrated with CUPS and attempted to share it using my Windows 2003 server instead. The driver package itself was 15mb+ of crap, which included 3 tray icons and some very suspicious looking "anonymous" usage data/crashing reporting apps. Luckily, their installer extracted the drivers(all of 500kb) into temp when it first executed, so I just grabbed that folder and closed the installer.

Trash like that has become incredibly common. Everything needs a tray icon and a configuration program and a status monitor, at the minimum. It's a trade off really; spend time finding and editing obscure configuration files, or spend time farting around cleaning up after nasty installers. Pick your poison.
 
2008-01-24 09:15:22 PM  
Yahoo Answers, making Wikipedia look like the Library of Alexandria.
 
2008-01-24 09:15:59 PM  
ccmods: Trash like that has become incredibly common.

This is true, I was mostly reacting to the weatherbug thing. Usually I've found that you can opt out of crap like that in the custom install, but you have the right answer indeed; unpack and do an old-school driver install.

HP are wankers though, it wouldn't surprise me.
 
2008-01-24 09:18:34 PM  
AaaPha:

so again, what hardware do you have with drivers that do this?


I would like to say, as a consultant, that Nvidia's new onboard LAN drivers are farking annoying. They install this horrid firewall software, and there is no opt out. Also, ALL HP printers come with these gargantuan driver/software packages that install everything from a full farking WEBSERVER to all the update daemons and shiat. Fark Windows. There is no way I actually use the shiat I'm forced to support.
 
2008-01-24 09:24:10 PM  
Robyr: I would like to say, as a consultant, that Nvidia's new onboard LAN drivers are farking annoying. They install this horrid firewall software, and there is no opt out.

Hehe, yeah, true, switched that off. Like I said, I was responding to the idea that these things came with spyware and weatherbug type stuff. I honestly don't think they do.

But yeah, there's a lot of bloat, I tend not to think about it as I just kill it in seconds. I suppose it is a pain in the ass if you're not entirely steady on your feet in Windows, but setting up WinXP installs it my job so it's just cake.
 
2008-01-24 09:25:49 PM  
Robyr: There is no way I actually use the shiat I'm forced to support.

Hehe, yeah, happy Linux user myself. Still run XP in a VM for my DAW stuff, but it's not as taxing when it's hosted within Linux, I don't need to worry about my printer/scanner and all that bollocks.
 
2008-01-24 09:28:30 PM  
So, the original question (new window) was:

Question: Installing Microsoft Windows XP OS?

Question Details: My company is getting rid of old PCs and I'm considering buying one. They have completely wiped out the hard drive, so there is no OS installed at all. Previously it had Windows Me or 2000 on it (not sure which). Is it going to be foolish of me to think I can buy Windows XP and install it myself? What kind of problems can I expect to run into?


and person said:

"If you buy the XP disks you just get that - XP. No MS office, no other programs other than the very basics.

If you're starting over anyways, grab a blank CD and use imgburn ( http://imgburn.com/ ) to burn an Ubuntu ( http://ubuntu.com/ ) or Kubuntu ( http://kubuntu.com/ ) .iso on there. Put the burned CD in the CD tray and restart the computer. It doesn't need a hard drive at all to run - it loads into the computer's RAM (temporary memory).

K/ubuntu comes fully loaded and thousands of other programs are just a few clicks away - you just look them up in a built in installer, it grabs the stuff needed and installs it all. It's free in both senses of the word - free of cost and free of obligations."



I will be forced to continue not using yahoo.

/smug Ubuntu, Windows, whatever user
 
2008-01-24 09:30:00 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Yahoo Answers, making Wikipedia look like the Library of Alexandria.

Burnt to the ground?
 
2008-01-24 09:35:12 PM  
AaaPha: Like I said, I was responding to the idea that these things came with spyware and weatherbug type stuff. I honestly don't think they do.

I remember weatherbug coming with a recent version of AIM(which is why I got rid of it), but I can't say for certain I remember any driver packages using that in particular; I do believe that the auto-updaters are borderline spyware. Anything that sends data to an outside server automatically without notifying the user in some way would fit into a spyware category for me. I guess it makes things much more convenient for some people, I find it a bit invasive myself.
 
2008-01-24 09:42:14 PM  
ccmods: I remember weatherbug coming with a recent version of AIM

Well yeah, but that's not a driver. And I hate to say it but you ask for it by using anything AOL provides. Pidgin, I cannot stress this enough, Pidgin, Pidgin, Pidgin. Fast, stable, effective and no goddamn "eye candy" (my pet peeve). And FAST.

I do believe that the auto-updaters are borderline spyware.

Yeeeah, I guess you could see it that way, but when a big company says "This is anon" I tend to believe them or there'd be a legal uproar. I disable them anyway, just an instinct that I prefer to choose my own time to update, if I feel like it in the first place.

I guess it makes things much more convenient for some people, I find it a bit invasive myself.

This is it. They're for my mother. She's 66 and barely knows what a driver is. Is it a good thing to have a PC on every desktop? Yes, I think so. Is this crap a result of that. Oh yes, sadly.
 
2008-01-24 10:17:30 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Yahoo Answers, making Wikipedia look like the Library of Alexandria.

I am proud to contribute to this. Not only do I get to laugh at other's ignorance, but I get to provide them with baseless and utterly inaccurate answers for my own enjoyment.
 
2008-01-24 10:32:57 PM  
Corydon: Installing Windows has always been a much easier process (mostly because Windows drivers are widely available and simple to install).

Installing XP on one of my systems:
1. Boot XP CD.
2. Answer a few questions.
3. Reboot.
4. Find driver CD for motherboard.
5. Install nVidia chipset driver.
6. Reboot.
7. Install nVidia video driver.
8. Reboot.
9. Install nVidia network driver.
10. Reboot.
11. XP needs to phone home and play "Mother, may I" with Microsoft. Activate.
12. Install sound drivers.
13. Reboot.
14. Install a ton of updates via the auto-updater.
15. Almost all Windows updates need a reboot.

Installing Ubuntu on the same system:
1. Boot Ubuntu CD.
2. When the desktop comes up, double-click the "Install" icon.
3. Answer a few questions (like what language to use, etc.).
4. Reboot.
5. Log in, and the driver manager lets me know that I have the option to install the nVidia proprietary video driver. All other drivers needed for the hardware are already part of the kernel, and the proprietary video driver is only needed for 3D and hardware MPEG decoding.
6. After the driver is installed, reboot once more.
7. Install a ton of updates via the auto-updater. Reboot only if a new kernel gets installed.

Funny thing is, I never had to tweak video settings in Ubuntu - it came up right for me first thing.

All is not perfect with Ubuntu, of course - but the initial setup was a damn sight easier, not to mention that it had all sorts of applications built-in, and lots more were easy to install from Synaptic (or apt-get when I know what I'm looking for and I'm in a hurry).
 
2008-01-24 11:49:45 PM  
I have one machine with Debian, one with FreeBSD, 1 with Vista Home Premium, one with XP, and a Beowulf cluster(20 machines, 2 slavers, and a master node) Great for crunching physics. I've found great things about all of them. So yeah tools for what you use and no one should ever be put down because they don't place a priority on how to operate a computer, for the average user windows is their OS.

/Multi System network
//1Giga switch from cisco
///CLUSTERS ARE AWESOME
////power bill is through the roof
 
2008-01-24 11:55:39 PM  
Patently false. Yahoo is built almost exclusively off of open source software and embrace it, especially Apache, Perl, PHP, MySQL, etc. In fact, most Yahoo employees would probably bristle at the idea of being bought by Microsoft and becoming a Microsoft employee (much like any other hi tech company).

To suggest that Yahoo would censor answers on Yahoo Answer concerning open source software is completely ludicrous. That's like saying Microsoft would remove articles about advocating XP from MSN sites.
 
2008-01-25 12:23:53 AM  
Also want to point out just how hypocritical this site is. It's not ok for yahoo to censor posts about open source but it is ok to block viewing of the site to any non-open source browsers. Most of the time these things are setup to hide the fact that some webdesigners are hiding the fact they can't build a website that is compliant with both browsers. So rather than work to allow a major share of a webbrowser work with your site, would rather censor it so you don't have to do that. Lazy webdesign and a hypocritical attitude makes this article mean about as much as that guy in New York with the "The End Is Near" sign walking up and down the street.
/Does Web design
//Does cross platform web design
///Can't stand the sanctimonious ass's that condemn something they do themselves.
 
2008-01-25 12:25:52 AM  
Fubegra: Installing XP on one of my systems:
10. Reboot.


Should you decide to install XP again you can skip like 5 of those reboots. The whole "we must rebooooot... reboooooot!" thing is legacy bullshiat. It'll still prompt for it, but it doesn't need it most of the time.

I just installed a copy of Pro recently on this machine. Install questions, (re)boot to the HD, install all your chipset/MB/video/printer drivers, install the usual fleet of antivirus antispyware and Firefox. Reboot.

Then you spend the next few days downloading patches.

Activation does piss me off, though. My Pro key activated online without a problem, but my Home keys have been re-installed onto upgraded equipment so many times I've now got to call India every time. Farking farkers. I get all stabby whenever I have to have 40 letters and numbers read back to me in a thick accent by someone who barely speaks English.
 
2008-01-25 12:30:29 AM  
Krymore:
You biatch about how Ubuntu is more difficult to set up than Windows, then you biatch that Ubuntu does everything automatically. I think it's safe to say you're a Vista user trying to justify your purchase. I run XP on my PC and Ubuntu on my laptop, and I've never once had a problem installing Ubuntu, whereas I've never once had XP install properly the first time. You can throw temper tantrums and call names all you like, but at the end of the day, I'm not the one paying money for software with problems.


There are no problems with a Windows XP install, ever. If you have problems then it is bad hardware or cd, incorrect drivers, or user error. If you are trying to upgrade a previous OS, then problems with the original OS (possibly from viruses or user error) can also contribute to issues. If you use a regular Windows XP disk, you don't install the wrong drivers (or use a corrupted file) and all of your hardware is OK, your installation will be too. If not, you messed up. It's that simple. And it's what anyone who has installed XP thousands of times (yes, thousands) will tell you. Every bad XP install can be traced to something that isn't the fault of XP.

I installed Ubuntu once and it locked up at my very first login because why? It turns out it was because I have a 7800GT for my video card. It wasn't that I installed the wrong drivers, I hadn't even gotten to a point where I could do that. I don't remember how I got around it but it took some time digging around a forum to find the answers I needed. That never happens with XP. As long as the video card works, you will at least get 640 by 480. Yes, Ubuntu is more complicated to install that XP.

I'm not saying XP is better than Linux, but it is easier to install. A lot easier, even than Ubuntu.
 
2008-01-25 12:33:00 AM  
Guess I can't have the privilige of reading that amazing site since I'm running IE.. whatever will I do?
 
2008-01-25 12:34:27 AM  
downstairs: Almost as lame as sites that don't let you use IE to view them.

/uses both, for different things


I don't use IE or Firefox, the site still wouldn't let me in.
 
2008-01-25 01:36:11 AM  
Fubegra: 6. After the driver is installed, reboot once more.

You have to reboot to load a new X server?

1. "modprobe nvidia"
2. "startx"

/not that it matters - licensing and use-restrictions make MS stuff a non-option from the start
 
2008-01-25 04:20:58 AM  
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Burnt to the ground?

hehe well played :)
 
2008-01-25 09:06:14 AM  
Why is Fark greenlighting a webpage like this? This has nothing to do with Yahoo Answers.

i28.tinypic.com
 
2008-01-25 09:07:45 AM  
2chris2: Why is Fark greenlighting a webpage like this? This has nothing to do with Yahoo Answers.

Oh wait a minute, I figured it out, it's only the 75% of people who use Internet Explorer who see the above.

i28.tinypic.com
 
2008-01-25 09:08:34 AM  
2chris2: 2chris2: Why is Fark greenlighting a webpage like this? This has nothing to do with Yahoo Answers.

Oh wait a minute, I figured it out, it's only the 75% of people who use Internet Explorer who see the above.


But why would a page which can only be accessed by 25% of people be greenlit?

i28.tinypic.com
 
2008-01-25 09:11:00 AM  
2chris2: 2chris2: 2chris2: Why is Fark greenlighting a webpage like this? This has nothing to do with Yahoo Answers.

Oh wait a minute, I figured it out, it's only the 75% of people who use Internet Explorer who see the above.

But why would a page which can only be accessed by 25% of people be greenlit?


I'm not sure myself, but on thinking about it further, since 75% of people will be seeing the below image, perhaps we should discuss it. Is the shade of yellow the best one to express the overall theme of the message? Is there a hidden meaning in the use of "Kill Bill" besides the obvious one? What Standards is IE not compliant with?

i28.tinypic.com
 
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