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(St. Petersburg Times)   South Florida rolls eyes at their crazy North Florida brethren after they denounce evolutionary teaching. "Evolution is 'going to be taught as fact, and everyone knows it's not fact,'" says one county school superintendent   (sptimes.com) divider line 248
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2008-01-23 08:44:02 PM
Cue the one funny thing ever from Family Guy in 3... 2...
 
2008-01-23 08:44:21 PM
Here we go... I haven't seen a good creationist/evolution battle in like 18 hours.

Remember everyone, The Way of the Master is best watched as a comedy, rather than a documentary.
 
2008-01-23 08:44:57 PM
Well it isn't fact, it's a theory, so the superintendent has that going for him.

Which is good.
 
2008-01-23 08:46:05 PM
squegeebooo: Well it isn't fact, it's a theory, so the superintendent has that going for him.

Which is good.


Yeah, I want to find this textbook they're using that discusses the Fact of Evolution. That's probably a good read.
 
2008-01-23 08:48:11 PM
Evolution/Creationism is filled with EPIC FAIL.

This should be fun.
 
2008-01-23 08:49:44 PM
sarcastrophe:
Yeah, I want to find this textbook they're using that discusses the Fact of Evolution. That's probably a good read.


It's a real page turner. What until it gets to the part where it refutes Moses fighting off Dinosaurs.
 
2008-01-23 08:53:06 PM
members.aol.com
 
2008-01-23 08:55:08 PM
These counties are uncomfortably close to mine, and mine is definitely very religious and socially conservative. It's a wonder they like me here in town.

All I can do is support the teachers and school board members who are more reasonable (i.e., educated) about these things and supplement my children's science curriculum at home. Old college textbooks, National Geographic issues, and PBS programs are a good start.
 
2008-01-23 08:55:10 PM
Alternate Theories Approve
www.venganza.org
 
2008-01-23 08:58:33 PM
Thats why Bible is false. 6000 years is proven false.

Quran says that the earth was created milions years ago. And is true.
 
2008-01-23 08:58:53 PM
Most rational people believe that the world is, itself rational and obeys natural laws in a consistent fashion. For a handful of people, this is an intensely disturbing idea. Why? I'm not really sure.

But that's what the core tenet of Creationism is. "I don't like the idea that I, and everything else in the Universe is governed by knowable, rational laws. I'd much rather believe that I'm a special and unique snowflake chosen and made by the guiding hand of God an intelligent designer. The laws don't apply to me."
 
2008-01-23 09:02:06 PM
Broz_Tito: Thats why Bible is false. 6000 years is proven false.

Quran says that the earth was created milions years ago. And is true.


LYING HERETIC! God (or Satan) put all that fossil record stuff to confuse you and make you doubt the almighty.
 
2008-01-23 09:04:50 PM
t3knomanser: Most rational people believe that the world is, itself rational and obeys natural laws in a consistent fashion. For a handful of people, this is an intensely disturbing idea. Why? I'm not really sure.

But that's what the core tenet of Creationism is. "I don't like the idea that I, and everything else in the Universe is governed by knowable, rational laws. I'd much rather believe that I'm a special and unique snowflake chosen and made by the guiding hand of God an intelligent designer. The laws don't apply to me."


Fear of mortality? A feeling of lack of control or a sense of insufficient 'justice' on Earth? I'm not really sure, but I have heard religious family and friends express the desire for immortality, for a powerful ally, and for divine punishment (against heinous crimes, I admit).
 
2008-01-23 09:05:56 PM
When they give an alternate THEORY instead of an HYPOTHESIS sure they can discuss it in schools.
 
2008-01-23 09:06:56 PM
i predict the word tinfoil will be used in this thread.
 
2008-01-23 09:09:07 PM
The thing that amazes me is that we've already had the same argument over 75 years ago (and it's getting pretty close to 100 now).

Almost ONE HUNDRED farkING GODDAMN YEARS, and you idiots still can't "believe" in basic scientific principles.

And people wonder why America is going into the shiatter. It's because the whole world is passing us by, laughing behind our backs at our uneducated, superstitious, pathetic excuse for a citizenry! While the rest of the world is making leaps and bounds in education and scientific advancement, Americans are anti-science, anti-education, and PROUD OF IT. Ever heard of brain drain?

I hate stupid people so much.
 
2008-01-23 09:10:28 PM
1) Submit Evolution Thread
2)
3) Profit! And greenlight
 
2008-01-23 09:10:59 PM
Ophelia's Snorkel: Fear of mortality? A feeling of lack of control or a sense of insufficient 'justice' on Earth? I'm not really sure, but I have heard religious family and friends express the desire for immortality, for a powerful ally, and for divine punishment (against heinous crimes, I admit).

Well, if you want me to make a list, I have some ideas. I'm not sure this is why people think that way, but there are some pretty safe looking bets.

What you listed are all good reasons why people turn to religion- but you can have religion and a belief in god without being a Creationist.

Creationism is special. It's the Geocentric conceit one more time. Everything interesting that happens in the Universe is for us. We're the center of the Universe. The rest of the Universe obeys natural laws, but humans are special, manufactured separately with dominion over everything.

We're special, the exception.
 
2008-01-23 09:11:14 PM
JimbobMcClan: When they give an alternate THEORY instead of an HYPOTHESIS sure they can discuss it in schools.

It's not even a hypothesis because it's not testable.
 
2008-01-23 09:11:31 PM
Could someone explain to this Australian why America seems to be slipped backwards in a unique fashion when it comes to (forgive the use of this word in this context) the evolution of the species?

I mean, it seems the US is the only place where this sort of insane revisionism is going on - and it's really puzzling to a lot of outsiders.

Then again, we do get *a lot* of sun down here, which may explain the slowness of the uptake.
 
2008-01-23 09:11:43 PM
sarcastrophe: God (or Satan) Slartibartfast put all that fossil record stuff to confuse you and make you doubt the almighty.

I like this interpretation better. Intelligent design = mice.
 
2008-01-23 09:11:52 PM
thegreatstory.org
 
2008-01-23 09:12:10 PM
SilentStrider: i predict the word tinfoil will be used in this thread.

Tinfoil is useful for letting the juices settle once a turkey has been taken out of the oven.
 
2008-01-23 09:12:16 PM
paulseta: and it's really puzzling to a lot of outsiders.

It's puzzling to those of us that live here.
 
2008-01-23 09:14:03 PM
"We just wanted to get it on the record that we're a Judeo-Christian community and we believe in academic freedom," Bennett said.

Oxymoran
 
2008-01-23 09:16:28 PM
sarcastrophe: JimbobMcClan: When they give an alternate THEORY instead of an HYPOTHESIS sure they can discuss it in schools.

It's not even a hypothesis because it's not testable.


It makes testable predictions, even if the core tenet is not, itself, predictable. I mostly refer to the YEC branch, of course. They make interesting claims- for example, that the Grand Canyon was carved by a flood. Well, that's pretty easy to test- simulate the pressure of various volumes of moving water over rocks of the same variety as the Grand Canyon, and measure the erosion (next to none, since erosion works over time, a flood would have no impact).

Or, if the Vapor Canopy, which shielded us from harmful UV light and cosmic rays, really helped people live longer, you could do a long term study of rats who never go outside and get the same protection from buildings- do they live longer? (no, they don't).

So, there are testable predictions. When we test them, they always fail, but hey- they're testable.
 
2008-01-23 09:16:32 PM
paulseta: Could someone explain to this Australian why America seems to be slipped backwards in a unique fashion when it comes to (forgive the use of this word in this context) the evolution of the species?

Idiocracy (new window)

Watch the first 5 minutes of this movie.
 
2008-01-23 09:18:19 PM
Broz_Tito: Thats why Bible is false. 6000 years is proven false.

Quran says that the earth was created milions years ago. And is true.


Where?
 
2008-01-23 09:19:43 PM
paulseta: Could someone explain to this Australian why America seems to be slipped backwards in a unique fashion when it comes to (forgive the use of this word in this context) the evolution of the species?

I mean, it seems the US is the only place where this sort of insane revisionism is going on - and it's really puzzling to a lot of outsiders.

Then again, we do get *a lot* of sun down here, which may explain the slowness of the uptake.


Pick one:
- TV
- drugs (not the fun kind)
- fear
 
2008-01-23 09:20:53 PM
paulseta: Could someone explain to this Australian why America seems to be slipped backwards in a unique fashion when it comes to (forgive the use of this word in this context) the evolution of the species?

I mean, it seems the US is the only place where this sort of insane revisionism is going on - and it's really puzzling to a lot of outsiders.

Then again, we do get *a lot* of sun down here, which may explain the slowness of the uptake.


Our problem isn't a greater population of nutters. It's a big country, after all. We simply delight in giving them worldwide media exposure.
 
2008-01-23 09:22:19 PM
c.twelve: Broz_Tito: Thats why Bible is false. 6000 years is proven false.

Quran says that the earth was created milions years ago. And is true.

Where?


Chapter 1. There is also chapter about the evolution.
 
2008-01-23 09:23:53 PM
Broz_Tito: Chapter 1. There is also chapter about the evolution.

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2008-01-23 09:26:56 PM
Broz_Tito: c.twelve: Broz_Tito: Thats why Bible is false. 6000 years is proven false.

Quran says that the earth was created milions years ago. And is true.

Where?

Chapter 1. There is also chapter about the evolution.


Neither book gives an explicit age for the earth, or makes any mention of evolution. Your interpretations may vary.
 
2008-01-23 09:29:23 PM
whatshisname: Broz_Tito: c.twelve: Broz_Tito: Thats why Bible is false. 6000 years is proven false.

Quran says that the earth was created milions years ago. And is true.

Where?

Chapter 1. There is also chapter about the evolution.

Neither book gives an explicit age for the earth, or makes any mention of evolution. Your interpretations may vary.


Jesus was an extra terrestrial.
 
2008-01-23 09:29:33 PM
sarcastrophe: Yeah, I want to find this textbook they're using that discusses the Fact of Evolution. That's probably a good read.

Evolutoin is a fact in the same way that gravity is a fact. An observable process is a fact.
 
2008-01-23 09:29:46 PM
destitute college kid: Cue the one funny thing ever from Family Guy in 3... 2...

The Star Wars Special?
 
2008-01-23 09:30:42 PM
Its just a theory that needs to be fixed

www.csm.org.uk
 
2008-01-23 09:31:52 PM
bolzy: Its just a theory that needs to be fixed

Well shiat, if we know where it is, lets dig it up.
 
2008-01-23 09:32:02 PM
bolzy: Its just a theory that needs to be fixed

Did you make that yourself, of did your parents help you?
 
2008-01-23 09:32:38 PM
bolzy: Its just a theory that needs to be fixed

It ain't broken.
 
2008-01-23 09:33:45 PM
whatshisname: Broz_Tito: c.twelve: Broz_Tito: Thats why Bible is false. 6000 years is proven false.

Quran says that the earth was created milions years ago. And is true.

Where?

Chapter 1. There is also chapter about the evolution.

Neither book gives an explicit age for the earth, or makes any mention of evolution. Your interpretations may vary.


How should i know i never read the shiat. I am using religious peoples methods of finding facts.
 
2008-01-23 09:33:49 PM
Evolution and Creationism can't be proved by either side so why the fark is this even an issue?

Yes it is. No it ain't. Yes it is. No it ...

\Although some may be closer.
 
2008-01-23 09:34:41 PM
"Evolution is 'going to be taught as fact, and everyone knows it's not fact,'" says one county school superintendent

Got that backwards, buddy. Evolution is gonna be taught as 'just a theory' by uneducated fundie idiots who don't know the difference between a 'layman's theory' and a SCIENTIFIC theory, and everyone ELSE knows it IS a fact. (That evolution happens, that is).

And no, there's no controversy in the scientific community about it (at least among people who are *qualified* to make it a controversy or not). And just because Creationism/ID gets the popular vote DOES NOT MEAN IT SHOULD BE TAUGHT IN SCIENCE CLASS. Creationism/ID's NOT. F*CKING. SCIENCE

Getting that out of the way.

/like it'll matter to the fundies.
 
2008-01-23 09:35:49 PM
Broz_Tito: I am using religious peoples methods of finding facts.

Make stuff up until someone believes you?
 
2008-01-23 09:37:23 PM
socoloco: Evolution and Creationism can't be proved by either side so why the fark is this even an issue?

Yes it is. No it ain't. Yes it is. No it ...

\Although some may be closer.


Scientists have observed evolution in a laboratory, specifically speciation (or whatever the term is). The fundies are now asking for one genus to become an entirely new one. Moving the goalposts.
 
2008-01-23 09:37:44 PM
paulseta [TotalFark]
I was going to take a stab at explaining it. But after typing out a long message I forgot where I was going with it and gave up.

In short.

Religion is a strong force here in the states. It doesn't matter if you're looking at a local pta meeting or at national politics.

Evolution just doesn't support many of the beliefs you're average religious Joe has. It's mind boggling really.. We want to enjoy selective benefits of science while denouncing parts that don't
support religion.
 
2008-01-23 09:38:20 PM
whatshisname: Make stuff up until someone believes you?

Don't forget to threaten damnation and charge %10 of income.
 
2008-01-23 09:40:20 PM
"Anybody with half a brain can see that natural selection takes place," said Beverly Slough, a St. John's board member who is president-elect of the Florida School Boards Association. "But to make great leaps from a fish to a man ... the fossil record doesn't support all that."

Well, yes it does. Amply.

And even if it didn't, it doesn't need to. There is overwhelming evidence in our own genetic code that, even if not a single fossil had survived, would independently support this theory.

But then I guess that fact doesn't support the predetermined political/religious agenda that this is really all about, so I'll shut up now.
 
2008-01-23 09:42:17 PM
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2008-01-23 09:42:41 PM
paulseta: Could someone explain to this Australian why America seems to be slipped backwards in a unique fashion when it comes to (forgive the use of this word in this context) the evolution of the species?

You can thank the political right of Rush and Rove and Newt, etc. that gave a voice to every religious whack job that promised to bring in votes for them. They've stuck those people on school boards and city councils and state governments all over this country. It's a win-win for the far right. They get the votes they need today and the ignorant populace they crave later.
 
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