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2002-10-22 05:13:48 PM
I always thought the mmorpgs would be good tools for testing economic theory.
 
2002-10-22 06:54:27 PM
There was
another article in January where they determined that the real world money generated by EverQuest would be the worlds 77th largest national economy if it were its own country.
 
CG
2002-10-22 06:55:04 PM
Kinda like what Ultima Online was doing back in O' 1999
 
2002-10-22 06:56:30 PM
Who cares?
 
2002-10-22 06:56:59 PM
So get-rich-quick schemes actually WORK in Everquest.

No wonder so many hopeless losers are drawn to it.

(All in good fun, please don't slay me)
 
2002-10-22 06:57:13 PM
Let's see a massively multiplayer world where money never leaves... of course money will build up. Anyone who plays it knows that very little money leaves the game and huge amounts enter it. Guilds seem to have a tendency to absorb a lot of it and never use it. I would think that if new players stopped joining it inflation would go through the roof. And no, I don't play the game, but I've lost friends to it.
 
2002-10-22 06:59:08 PM
Chomos, losers, and now thieves. Just like everyone else.
 
2002-10-22 07:01:14 PM
Lost friends to it? Like cancer?
 
2002-10-22 07:01:35 PM
CG -- Yeah like Everquest has been doing since March of 99.

Livewire -- If you didn't care why'd you bother saying anything?
 
2002-10-22 07:03:41 PM
If it's an exploit in the game, the exploit needs to be fixed and anyone abusing the exploit needs to get their accounts removed.

It's Verant's problem that they didn't do the math correctly on their trade crafts, or allow people to use macros and don't monitor account activity as much as they should.

The guys at Mythic's DAOC have fixed this a long time ago, and it's just one of many reasons it's a superior game. As soon as an exploit like this is found, it's patched immediately, and anyone taking advantage of it gets their stuff taken away. If you're caught trying to run a cheat program or macro, your account gets suspended.

I prefer DAOC for that reason, along with the lack of morons continually shouting "LFG! LFG!" and "HAIL AND WELL MET".
 
2002-10-22 07:03:57 PM
Gonzee, that's pretty accurate at least in describing its spread.
 
2002-10-22 07:03:59 PM
You know online gaming is getting bad when the game makers have to start pretending to be the government and regulate all this crap.
 
2002-10-22 07:09:08 PM
If running a macro is cheating, then the game is broken. The challenge of playing a game is not supposed to be the challenge of mastering its user interface. All macros do is simplify the interface.

If you weren't supposed to be able to repeat something 1,000 times, the game should have placed a limit on how many times you could do it, or how often, or it should have cost something.

A cheat is some mechanism that allows you to break the games rules. For example, a sequence of refreshes or resubmits that duplicated an item.
 
2002-10-22 07:11:03 PM
I had an EverCrack addiction. But lucky for me I got rehab. It is called Dark Age of Camelot. And it is the...

Best. Online. Game. To date.
 
2002-10-22 07:11:23 PM
Everquest is a good game.

That said, whoever is enough of a fvcktard to do this is still one of the saddest people on the planet.
 
2002-10-22 07:13:09 PM
JoelKatz

I think the reason they are getting pissy, is cause this macro is basically doing duping. Duping platinum from small piles into huge ones while running a macro. Maybe each time the dupe is done, it only dupes 20% of the pile, thus people wanna run macros overnight to get large sums instead of doing it themselves the whole time.

I would know, I dont play EQ.. although I used too.
 
2002-10-22 07:15:48 PM
this is the same shiat text muds did and still do. Eventually all good items proliferate and you have to pwipe.
 
2002-10-22 07:15:51 PM
i say let the everquest economy crash and maybe less people will want to play the game...
 
2002-10-22 07:21:23 PM
my mom says there are a lot of black people in Erudin
 
2002-10-22 07:24:57 PM
Replace all the characters with The Running Tard.

That might slow things down a bit.
 
2002-10-22 07:32:15 PM
Hmmmm.....people living in a fantasy world. Pursuing real life like careers as well as spending time adventuring. Making lots of money through dubious means. Threatening to bring an ecomomy to it's knees........


I didn't know the CEOs of Emron and Arthur Anderson had EverQuest accounts........
 
2002-10-22 07:32:21 PM
this happens in all mmorpgs

/me goes back to playing UO
 
2002-10-22 07:33:15 PM
I've read a couple articles in gaming magazines, and I say as far as MMO games go, Old and Busted: Everquest. Newer and Less Busted: DAOC. New Hotness: The Sims Online. That game is going to kick a$$. I've always wanted to own a Roxbury-like club, and now on The Sims Online I can do it. The only thing keeping me from buying it right on the day when it's released is that I'd like to wait a while for a sizable user base to build up. It's no fun playing if your town is a total ghost town.

Oldnbusted Lol My mom says there's a lot of little people in Riverdale ;)
 
2002-10-22 07:33:59 PM
JoelKatz, just because it's "allowed" doesn't mean that using the bug over and over is right. Cheating and exploiting are synonymous in the gaming world.

Personally, I believe that people willing to shell out cash for virtual platinum pieces should spend that money on a prostitute instead. :D
 
2002-10-22 07:37:44 PM
I have been playing EQ for around 2 years and this kinda crap saddens me.
It's entertainment, damnit, not a way you should increase RL wealth
I'm not sure who's worse, the people that sell game money for real $ or the ones that pay real $ for game dollars.
/sigh
 
2002-10-22 07:38:42 PM
I have made 2500$ playing Diablo 2 over the last 6 months. That is without using "macros" or any other hack. It made the game so much more fun then anything else.
 
2002-10-22 07:39:00 PM
Everqueer sucked. I played it for about 6 months and quit. Not worth my $60.
 
2002-10-22 07:42:35 PM
No way Squidward, get in on the ground floor. You will make $$$ before everyone and end up being the rich guy.
 
2002-10-22 07:44:50 PM
Is there a macro that I can use to create money for the real world?
 
2002-10-22 07:45:43 PM
I'll go ahead and say it:
Get a fvciking life everquest fvcks! Do something outside! Maintain your relationships with real, living people! Who fvcking cares if you have 1 million platinum bucks in a worthless game?
 
2002-10-22 07:46:49 PM
Freeloader: respond to one of those emails that says you can make $ working at home. They are just like this, but real.
 
2002-10-22 07:49:47 PM
gee Drgeoffry, for being all about fun & all from your profile you come off as a trolling prick.
 
2002-10-22 07:50:58 PM
The article is not clear, but it sounds like the "exploit" is simply to repeat a legitimate move over and over. If a move is legitimate once, it's legitimate a dozen times. If the move was not meant to be repeated, it would have cost something or there would have been some limit on how often you could do.

The article implies that using a macro is cheating and that playing games consists of pushing the same buttons over and over and the challenge is endurance.
 
2002-10-22 07:53:10 PM
Drgeoffrey
"Get a fvciking life everquest fvcks!"

Generalizing?
 
2002-10-22 07:58:02 PM
somebody from Fark reads BluesNews enough to post this?
 
2002-10-22 07:59:15 PM
Sorry if I sound like a prick, but I literally lost one of my best friends to this shiat. We all did. He went from being a great, outgoing guy with a lot of friends to a pale, boring slob as his days and nights were spent doing nothing but camping out waiting for a computer bone.
And since we lost him, I've met numerous other people who have lost significant-others and best friends to this game. It may be a generalization to say that all eq players lose their real lives, but the membership of goups like Everquest Widows tell me that it is very common indeed.
 
2002-10-22 07:59:48 PM
I thought the people on these games were real?
 
2002-10-22 08:02:49 PM
I feel sorry for the guy that did this 1000s of times manually, only to get his stuff taken away for cheating.

Well, not really. It would suck though.
 
2002-10-22 08:10:20 PM
you know, william gibson wrote about stuff like this. people spending all their waking hours in virtual worlds; of course his were three dimensional worlds and had nothing to do with gaming but still...interesting.
 
2002-10-22 08:11:21 PM
To all you EverQuest players out there, in the immortal words of Lil' Jimmy Norton, "I see a trenchcoat and a tragedy in your future."

That is all.
 
2002-10-22 08:20:27 PM
I've spent two months of 'real-world' time in Asheron's Call since its launch three years ago. This averages out to around 75 minutes per day. Friends call me an addict, and I won't deny it. But these same friends normally watch one professional sports match per day (90-180 minutes). *shrug*
 
2002-10-22 08:26:36 PM
When I first got Everquest I played it all the time. I would get so damn pissed off at the lag when I was chasing gnolls through Black Burrow and shout at the screen like "Dammit you goddam piece of shiat!" cuz the gnoll would reappear a mile away next to 20 of his friends.

Eventually I stopped playing it becuase it was so incredible repetitive.
 
2002-10-22 08:28:58 PM
Console gaming is quite new, yet it is running into the same problems that PC gamers have been dealing with all along. Problem is, the current crop of online games cannot be patched. I am playing SOCOM: Navy SEALs and besides gaining first hand experience with LAG, I've seen (and tried) wall walkers --people who utilize a glitch that allows them to enter the hills and mountains that border the game area. On the bright side, most people don't utilize the cheat and often vote off those that use it.
 
2002-10-22 08:34:48 PM
This same thing happened with trading card gaming. Too many black lotuses floating around after a while.
 
2002-10-22 08:37:32 PM
Life=Whatever you do to fill up your time.
Q.What makes one "life" have more validity than another?
A.Not some self riteous prick declaring it so.

So, I say, Get a fvciking life REALLIFE fvcks! Do something INside! With a computer! Maintain your relationships with real, living people in an online game! Who fvcking cares if you have 1 million US bucks in a worthless realife, but aren't having any FUN!

To each his own. F*CK OFF for calling me a "fvck"
 
2002-10-22 08:37:54 PM
The article writer spelled atrifact wrong.

/nitpicking

everquest is gonna stop making expansions after the one coming out today anyways.
 
2002-10-22 08:42:05 PM
Interesting.

Having played EQ for a year and a half from day one, and having been a part of their volunteer customer service, I can say with a fair amount of certainty that the way trade skills are set up is such that you should not be able to profit significantly without dealing with another game player. When I played, there was no known item that was both 1.) creatable from component parts that were all available at the same vendor and 2.) worth more money than the components.

So if you wanted to, say, take a clay pot and sell it, you'd have to buy some clay, buy some water, go to a kiln, make a pot (and potentially fail), go back to the vendor, sell the pot and make no profit or a negative profit. Or, you buy a gold bar, enchant it, buy an emerald, put them in a jewelling kit, make a magic ring, and sell it to a player for a profit. Or, buy a bear pelt from a player (or kill bears yourself), buy a tunic pattern, tailor a patchwork tunic, and sell to a vendor or player for a profit. So the model is that you lose money to raise your skill, then interact to make a profit. Macros are useless because you can't use them to interact.

This exploit (if you can even really call it that) means Verant goofed. It seems like a lot of things make it into the game without being considered by the people who know it; there can't be very good communication between the developers. So someone slipped up and put in an item recipe -- probably something unassuming, like a diamond necklace -- that can be made ad infinitum for a profit while standing in one place. It's the dev's fault that this made it in, the players shouldn't be punished, except that Verant likes to randomly take certain actions and make them punishable without cause or explanation... and especially without establishing what is acceptable and what is not.

("Dreamcast! Noooooooooo!" -Penny Arcade)
 
2002-10-22 08:46:05 PM
Deadskie

Thanks for the link. I didnt know there was such a film coming out.

But even though I like William Gibson's work (heck, I even bought signed copies of Idoru and All Tomorrow's Parties off ebay) this film sounds mega dull.

Unless I'm completely missing the point, a documentary about Gibson and his vision of the cultural near-future does not seem a likely candidate for compelling cinema...

[Waiting for next book]
 
2002-10-22 08:54:49 PM
Multiplayer games such as this always suck, because the game always attracts an element of people who you don't want to play with.
 
2002-10-22 08:55:55 PM
EQ takes too much time and money to play. If I was 13 I'd probably play it though...
 
2002-10-22 08:58:08 PM
And someone explain to me why MMORPGs charge money for the boxed product in addition to the monthly fee? Why not sell the game at cost of materials? They'll make it up quickly with monthly fees.

Obviously the business model for a company like EA/ID/Blizzard is to make money on the retail sale as they support online gaming for free. But EQ? Isnt a $50 sticker throwing away the chance to sink thier nefarious hooks into unsuspecting potential customers?

With the cost of games now ($50+) does anyone buy anything on a whim anymore?

I have never played EQ/UO or any such but if the boxed product cost $10 w/ a free month of gaming, I'd try it out. Who knows, I might get hooked and end up spending the $100+/yr subscription.
 
2002-10-22 08:58:13 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how biatchy some people get as soon as something negative is said about Evercrack.
 
2002-10-22 08:59:36 PM
Drgeoffrey the people at EQ Widows are just people that don't want to hear the other side of the story. Try and post something there that is slightly against how they believe and you won't see it posted. EQ is fun to play... its the person behind the machine that is most likely an addictive type of person. EQ is just long and indepth.
 
2002-10-22 09:01:30 PM
Real life takes up to much of my time...
 
2002-10-22 09:09:25 PM
Yeah, that CBS thing put EverQuest in SUCH a bad light... they found some guy that plays 20 hours a week. And they made him seem like a farking addict! How many jocks watch football EVERY SUNDAY AFTERNOON? Its the same thing, Except one involves lots of beer and yelling, and the other involves virtual beer and killing stuff. stupid farktard asshats at CBS... And then the kid that "Comitted suicide" over EQ? Doesnt help that he was a Depressed Paranoid Schizo Epileptic, who HAD SEVEN SEIZURES playing EQ (and mommy didnt care)... But CBS forgot to mention that.

Ah well, cheating at a video game is pretty pathetic, but damn you could make some good money off of it. Accounts used to go for $500-1000, a piece.
 
2002-10-22 09:12:29 PM
wow Cubicle-slave, you are one of the most intelligent people I have found that talk about MMORPGs. All the rest are DaoC (Blatant EQ rip off, yipee!) nerds, of UO losers (The graphics suck, it hurts my eyes just to think about it). And then there are the "EQ addicts"... Sheesh, its just stupid people! Its like knives... People cut themselves with knives all the time, like people play EQ a lot. But you never hear about it until it gets serious. It was still tons of fun, and frankly most of the people I know suck. People suck, games are more fun. Whats wrong with not wanting to interact with people that just make you want to kill them?

And I just realized I compared a game to a knife. Shut up.
 
2002-10-22 09:14:12 PM
Begoggle: That's really why I quit and haven't touched an MMORPG since then. These games draw in ALL kinds, and that really doesn't make for a good playing experience. You get plenty of people who have a completely different playing style, people who you really have no desire to associate with. And obviously the company that made and maintains the game is going to do their best to cater to ALL customers, primarily the ones who are most numerous and easiest to please.
 
2002-10-22 09:17:49 PM
Actually Everquest is based on a MUD called Sojourn, also been known as Toril and Faerun. The MUD is supposedly as addicting as Everquest, as my older brother sinks about 8+ hours a day into it. We actually calculated it once based on his playing time since the MUD opened. Seriously, it averaged 8 hours a day.
 
2002-10-22 09:24:03 PM
My Evercrack-addicted boyfriend should sell some of his platinum hoard so he can pay me back the $1400 he owes me.
 
2002-10-22 09:27:24 PM
EQ Widows - that's the most fun I've had at a site since, well, Stileproject.com. I bet if those widows looked halfway decent and didn't biatch so much they wouldn't have to compete with a video game for their husband's attention.

Hey Widows, lose a few pounds and dust those cobwebs out from between your legs.. maybe he'll consider spending his evenings with you instead of a Level 30 Dark Elf Sword Maiden.
 
2002-10-22 09:30:57 PM
DAOC > EQ
 
2002-10-22 11:24:24 PM
I played EQ for about two years, and stopped after my grades went down the crapper, and after the thousandth hour of killing those goddamn gnolls in Paw. Then I went on to DAoC, it was good, had its flaws, and now I've moved on to Battlefield 1942.
 
2002-10-23 12:10:11 AM
BF'42 is a pretty cool game. They just need to address a few major problems and that game will kick ass... way better than World War II online.
 
2002-10-23 12:21:47 AM
Lobsterboy, Yea, the depiction of the kid who killed himself because of EQ was pretty shakey. From the looks of his apartment the guy was clearly depressed. My guess is the guy had an EQ "girlfriend" that dumped him which on top of his clinical depression pushed him over the edge. It could have just as well happened due to chatting with people on AOL.

As a new father of a one year old boy, I did sympathize with Ben Stein's concern with his son playing too much EQ. A kid the age of his son has too much real-world growing & learning to be doing without such a huge time sink in the way.

20 hrs. a week for a guy with a full time job and two kids and a wife is a lot of time. I feel guilty about getting an hour a day to myself to play motoGP on XBL.
 
2002-10-23 12:40:52 AM
Damn, I have never met anyone who plays Everquest. No one is willing to pay the monthly fees. However, it seems to be the king of addictive games. That's scary. Have a friend who does nothing but play Diablo. Him and his girlfriend. Neither of them work right now. And they sit there and play. Always. For about a year now. It drives me nuts. If Everquest is worse, I hope I never see it.
 
2002-10-23 01:19:03 AM
Die you eq lamer gamer bastards who have never received a hummer in your life and never will!
 
2002-10-23 02:20:40 AM
By coincidence I was talking to a friend at work today about Evercrack. He apparently played for two years and quit. 6 months later, he opened his account again and sold his stuff at an online auction. He made over a thousand bucks off his virtual possessions and platinum buckazoids. Crazy.

Dizzie: At least you didn't give $1400 to someone that used the money to fly to Russia and dump you. Guys are idiots...
She wasn't a mail order bride going home, either. (I can see that joke coming) :-/
 
2002-10-23 03:58:28 AM
Haha VegasVinnie, t must have been a mail order bride going somewhere other than home!

Sorry, felt like it was appropriate.
 
2002-10-23 04:27:33 AM
"Actually Everquest is based on a MUD called Sojourn, also been known as Toril and Faerun. The MUD is supposedly as addicting as Everquest, as my older brother sinks about 8+ hours a day into it. We actually calculated it once based on his playing time since the MUD opened. Seriously, it averaged 8 hours a day."

Sojourn? It's nothing like Everquest. One of the best MUDs ever made though. Everquest is not based on any MUD, but the base gameplay is loosely based on DIKU code, which is loosely based of D&D.
 
2002-10-23 06:32:37 AM
Nostradamus predicted this all.

"And the Economy of the MMORPGs will falter, as will the social skills of the human race." Chapter 185 Lines 66-67.
 
2002-10-23 06:33:15 AM
You've ruined your own lands, you'll not ruin mine!!
 
2002-10-23 07:36:33 AM
As an EQ addict, I can safely say that I prefer this lifestyle over a real-life style. I'd rather live in a fantasy world where I can slay dragons and cast spells than live in a real world where people can piss me off and I can deal with all the bad things in life. No way. Give me EQ over going outside.

can u spare a few pp plz thx
 
2002-10-23 09:45:40 AM
Playing an online RPG is no worse than watching t.v., reading a book, or any other activity meant pass the time as we wait for something better to come along. Yes, I play the MUD Dragonrealms. I also have a full-time job, I have a part-time band, and I write in my spare time. I travel frequently. The only thing I don't do is watch t.v. (except for football, of course). I just don't see why some of you are freaking out over this (i.e. "Get a fvciking life everquest fvcks! Do something outside!" etc.). Inhale...exhale. Inhale...exhale. There you go!
 
kab
2002-10-23 09:52:24 AM
cool Yagisencho, what server in AC did/do you play on? Most here seem to be Evercamp players. :P

The issue with macros is that they do repetitive actions for far longer than a normal player would be expected to. People let macro's run while they are doing other real life activities, and in this case, artificially inflates the economy. Kind of like if counterfeiting was legal.

Having been there, and done that with MMORPG's.....they really are a waste of time, at least in my experience. Care to read about just how bad it can get? Go to my site http://home.nycap.rr.com/focal , and read "My Truth"
 
2002-10-23 11:22:57 AM
Sincityrugby - that is the most clueless post in this entire thread.
 
2002-10-23 11:36:40 AM
"shiat, Gabe, reading was never supposed to be for everybody. Universal literacy is virtually an American invention. Novels are for people who are comfortable using their brains, and we all know that isn't the whole human race. I'm not one of those guys who says, "Well, at least they're reading... "
Reading garbage is no better than watching garbage on TV or any other pointless time-filler. Garbage is garbage, whether it comes on a page or in a game cartridge. Anybody who wants to waste their lives on Digi-Poke-God-Knows-What is welcome to; I'm not gonna biatch. Better that than supporting the aforementioned shiatty fantasies that crowd the good stuff off the shelves.

If this makes me sound like an elitist snob, it's only because I am. "

And by extention, non-garbage is non-garbage, whether it comes printed on paper or burned to CD.

EQ's still a lot of trash, though. :D
 
2002-10-23 11:38:07 AM
Actually, Planes of Power is NOT the final expansion. They'll be having another one about this time next year. Not that I care. I quit that lame game when I quit working for that lame company.
 
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