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2002-10-22 12:10:10 PM  
"It's the Judeo-Christian God that allows Hindus to worship?" Thompson asked.

"Exactly," said Moore.

I'm sure that Hindus are relieved to know that the judeo-christian god allows them to partake in their own religion.

So, by recognizing god in his role as chief justice, isn't he violating god's "invention" of separation of church and state? Somebody is tryin' to have it both ways...
2002-10-22 01:03:59 PM  
This is the same guy who made headlines earlier this year in a custody dispute between a mother in father, by declaring that the mother was obviously an unfit parent because she was a lesbian. In his opinion, citing the Bible as authority, he described homosexuality as "abhorrent," "detestable," an "inherent evil," "an intolerable evil," "inherently destructive to the natural order of society," and "so heinous that it defies one's ability to describe it."

With views like these, I'm pretty sure this guy's on Bush's short list of potential U.S. Supreme Court nominees.
2002-10-22 01:06:29 PM  
The first line of the previous post was supposed to read "between a mother and father," obviously.
2002-10-22 01:12:48 PM  
artist rendition of this thread:

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2002-10-22 01:14:02 PM  
finally, a judge with a brain.
2002-10-22 01:35:49 PM  
The only good thing about this is the total amount of arrogant ignorance this guy displays. But really, holy pot-kettle-black.
2002-10-22 02:56:31 PM  
He should be thrown off the bench and forced to clean tables at Chik-Fil-a.
2002-10-22 05:09:46 PM  
eeeehh ok, whatever keeps you going
2002-10-22 05:11:25 PM  
where's the dumbass tag?

religious flame war in 3.... 2..... 1......
2002-10-22 05:12:26 PM  
I will not even try to define this person's logic, nor will I try to reconcile with his stupidity.
2002-10-22 05:12:54 PM  
where did Alabama fall in the state intelligence rankings?
2002-10-22 05:14:23 PM  
Moore also said that as chief justice of Alabama, it is his duty to make sure the public understands the law. The monument helps explain the origin of the law, therefore it belongs in the judicial building.

Would this guy fall under the label of "activist judge" the conservative right was complaining about during the federal judge apointment hoopla?
2002-10-22 05:14:54 PM  
...not if He doesn't exist.
2002-10-22 05:15:49 PM  
Wow, this judge is a quack. But then, its Alabama, so what did anyone really expect?
2002-10-22 05:15:50 PM  
More ammo for my brilliant plan of splitting the US into ~500 democratic city-states. Let the crappy ones go to hell.
2002-10-22 05:15:50 PM  
"It's the Judeo-Christian God that allows Hindus to worship?" Thompson asked.
"Exactly," said Moore.

"So what you're saying is that this same god is graciously allowing his people to choose to worship other gods and thereby damn themselves to burn in hell for all eternity?"
"Yes," said Moore.
"This is the same God from the New Testement of the Bible?"
"Yes," said Moore.
"The kindly forgiving God."
"Exactly," said Moore.

Does that not really make sense to anyone else out there?
Not to mention I thought this country had some form of clause or something in some special document about freedom of religion, but apparantly I was totally wrong. Silly me.
2002-10-22 05:15:50 PM  
God, I hate religion. ^,^

"da da da"
2002-10-22 05:18:05 PM  
"The very concept of separation mandates a recognition of sovereign God."

that is idiotic. how did this guy get to be a judge. the concept of church and state acknowledges that some people have religious beliefs. the concept alone doesn't acknowledge there is a god, only that some people believe in it.

"God created the separation of church and state."

if that's true, then do what he says and take down the farking commandments, you farking douchebag.
2002-10-22 05:18:45 PM  
2002-10-22 05:23:03 PM  
This is my biggest problem with organized religion, you have to twist your words and beliefs into circles to make it all fit.
2002-10-22 05:23:29 PM  
So god can't be in government, but because god created the idea of not being in the government, god can be in the government?
2002-10-22 05:23:37 PM  
What a complete wacko. People like this scare me, they really do. Anyone so completely wrapped in ignorance they can warp the simplest of statements against religion in government into a statement saying that without god there is no government....well, that's just scary.

Cyberluddite: That's not funny, he probably is on Bush's Supreme Court list.
2002-10-22 05:23:43 PM  
Stop with the stupid 3... 2... 1... crap already!
It was only funny the first sixty thousand times it was used.
2002-10-22 05:23:52 PM  
You beat me to the punch CyberLuddite , I was gonna say that it sounds like someone is bucking for an appointment to SCOTUS.

2002-10-22 05:23:58 PM  
"Moore, quoting Jefferson's "Bill for Religious Freedom," said the monument didn't violate the jurisdiction of religion because it didn't prescribe the duties man owes to God, nor describe how those duties were to be carried out. "

Um, well, they are called the 10 COMMANDMENTS! I'd say thats exactly what they do...
2002-10-22 05:23:58 PM  
Oh I get it. Jefferson, Madison, & Paine = Holy Trinity = God.

It all makes sense now.
2002-10-22 05:24:40 PM long as he recognizes the separation of cats and dogs
2002-10-22 05:26:08 PM  
This article has a decent rundown of the latest separation of church and state antics, as well as some examples of Judge Moore's ridiculous statements. Why is this man allowed to live?
2002-10-22 05:27:57 PM  
I am so relieved. Here I was living in fear, but now that I know that the christian god invented separation of church and State, even though I am going to hell for not being a good little christian, its ok.

I bet this asshole would get all offended if someone told him that, for example, the Muslim's god said it was ok for Christians to worship the wrong god.
2002-10-22 05:29:06 PM  
"I didn't understand that until I read your dissent," Thompson told Moore. "You really couldn't have the state without God?"

"Both the state and the church come under the sovereignty of God," said Moore. "God created the separation of church and state."

That's right. Try having one without the other.
At least this fool knows which side of the bread is buttered.
2002-10-22 05:29:07 PM  
"It is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful [as the babelfish] could evolve purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final clinching proof of the nonexistence of God. The argument goes somewhat like this:

'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith and without faith I'm nothing.'

'But,' said man, 'the babelfish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist and so therefore you don't, q.e.d.'

'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that.' And promptly vanishes in a puff of logic."

- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, BBC radio miniseries episode I
The separation of church and state implies the existance of the state completely independent of the influence and/or meddling of God. As such Moore must acknowledge the soverienty of the state and its laws to not depend on any supernatural being, or deny the validity of the state. He can't have it both ways.
2002-10-22 05:29:08 PM  
God allowed this girls to kiss! Not safe for work"


-God IS love afterall...
2002-10-22 05:29:26 PM  
The sad part is, he's mostly right about his core statements. His tangents are complete crap, but the framers of the Constitution didn't create this whole deal so we could avoid God, they created it so we could worship Him in our own way, without the government telling us to be Lutheran, or Methodist, or whatnot. The concept of not worshipping the Judeo-Christian God was completely foreign to them, unless some savages haven't heard of Him yet. So, the separation argument is really a flawed one for us athiests and non-Christians. Crap.
2002-10-22 05:29:41 PM  
Of course, Alabama was the 41st smartest state...
2002-10-22 05:33:28 PM  
Further proof that Alabama needs to be seperated from the continent of North America.
2002-10-22 05:34:57 PM  
Sorry I couldn't finish reading this one... got about a third of the way through and had to pound my head into my desk.

In my faith, being a christian.. I firmly believe that people like this will go to heaven and have God slap him upside his head and call him a DumbA$$.... There is no way a truely Good and Just God can stand this kind of crap. God "grants" you to right to worship other Gods. Then God sends you to hell for worshiping other Gods. Doesn't matter how good you are during life, how just, and how giving... Damn, doesn't this idiot remember we all use to be Jewish?!?
2002-10-22 05:37:20 PM  
This bumpkin's testimony clearly show the basis for his defiance of the law is his entirely personal, albeit deranged, religious opinions. Send him to Sudan.
2002-10-22 05:38:37 PM  
Don't they eat DIRT in 'Bama? Thought so. Not exactly firing on all cylinders, there, judge.
2002-10-22 05:39:41 PM  
Where's that "Summon Bevets" card? I want one!
2002-10-22 05:40:00 PM  
This one just cracks me up:
"It's the Judeo-Christian God that allows Hindus to worship?" Thompson asked.

"Exactly," said Moore.

Versus the bible:
"The Lord your God is a jealous god, thou shalt not have any gods before me."
2002-10-22 05:41:58 PM  
separate the men from the boys
oil and vinegar don't mixed
separate your dark clothes from your whites

the way the tread separates from the tire on your Firestones
2002-10-22 05:42:33 PM  
I like the way he says that the founding fathers were Christians. So who's got those anti-christian statements from Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin? While some of the founding fathers were Christian some were Diests, which is to say they believe in a god but not nessicerily the Bible god.

Here is a very good link why the 10 Commandments do not belong in schools or judicial buildings and was written directly in response to Moore.
2002-10-22 05:42:37 PM  
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2002-10-22 05:43:53 PM  
The concept of not worshipping the Judeo-Christian God was completely foreign to them,

Translation: "I know nothing about history or the fact that Ben Franklin and some others were deists."
2002-10-22 05:44:10 PM  
Wow, that's dumb. Just because it's true that without the conception of God and religion that the Founding Fathers had, there would be no clause regarding separation of church and state in the Bill of Rights, doesn't mean that God (or even a conception of God) is actually a part of government. How the hell do you make that sort of leap?

2002-10-22 05:44:16 PM  
Is there any limit on human stupidity
2002-10-22 05:47:46 PM  
Sociopath, actually they created complete and total separation of church and state. Those were direct quotes by both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison as to what the 1st amendment was intended for. The Supreme Court has upheld that doctrine for a long long time.
2002-10-22 05:48:55 PM  
Can anyone post here the "Official Seperation of Church and State" where is this law written, when and by whom?
2002-10-22 05:55:43 PM  
the fact that there are so meny different "gods" ppl pray to all round the world kind of makes me think we made god out of need to think there is a higher being and that just kind of pisses me off as seeing all the of trouble it has brought on human kind. i cant stand ppl who are so blind by faith they cant live w/ the idea of a god other then theirs argg o well i am done(dont hert to much)
2002-10-22 05:57:49 PM  
The best part is, our whole executive branch probably thinks the same thing. They just have the political savvy to not speak it outright.
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