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(NYPost)   Son of Sam says he is also a victim of DC sniper. No, but he should be   (nypost.com) divider line 108
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2002-10-22 08:49:49 AM
He has a movie about his life. What more does he want?
 
2002-10-22 08:50:24 AM
...and we're all victims of Spike Lee's moronic films(except for "Do the Right Thing").

Berkowitz thinks he's Hannibal Lecter looking for a Clarice.
 
2002-10-22 08:52:17 AM
Oh and of course it's completely impossible for someone to realise what they did was completely horrific and to have been cured of whatever mental illness they had that led them to do it, and for something which you would expect to make him regret what he did if he does indeed regret what he did, actually make him regret what he did. That's because people are just born good and evil isn't it.
 
2002-10-22 08:52:25 AM
I wish the sniper would target those fools on Fox and Friends or some politicians.

Mostly politicians...

Victor
 
2002-10-22 08:52:55 AM
Until Berkowitz starts naming the other 21 or so people involved in the Son Of Sam killings, he can take this as a formal invitation to shut the fark up.
 
2002-10-22 08:55:20 AM
...and I'm not sympathising with him, I just think especially when mental illness was involved that it's very possible for someone with proper treatment to overcome the mental illness that caused them to do something, no matter how horrific. This may or may not be the case, I don't know, but I'm not about to judge him as being still capable of commiting such acts one way or the other when I don't know. I'm gonna get my arse flamed for this one I know, so I should probably shutup now.
 
2002-10-22 08:58:53 AM
CommieSheep, the "my neighbour's dog, Sam, made me do it 'cause he's the devil" defense didn't work. Berkowitz is in jail, not an institution. It was an interesting, if not amusing, defense - but I for one think he was a sociopath who hated his life and wanted to be famous.
 
2002-10-22 08:59:37 AM
CoomieSheep: I worked in a private psych hospital for two years, *most* of them don't deserve ANY sympathy.. Sure there are a few "bipolar's" who can be helped with medication... but most of them should be put to sleep, especially the violent ones.....
 
2002-10-22 09:00:57 AM
poor guy
 
2002-10-22 09:02:57 AM
Sure there are a few "bipolar's" who can be helped with medication... but most of them should be put to sleep, especially the violent ones.....

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Oh hell, now you've done it... (see "bum" thread a few weeks back).

I agree with you, however.
 
2002-10-22 09:06:02 AM


Hey David. STFU!
 
2002-10-22 09:11:21 AM
Yeah he is SOOOOOO SYMPATHETIC. Wait, lemme turn off the bullshiat alert.
 
2002-10-22 09:11:58 AM
Ididntdoit, tea came out of my nose and all over my bed. Thanks.
 
2002-10-22 09:12:05 AM
GAH!

Hellhounds on my trail!
 
2002-10-22 09:12:22 AM
Wigglepuppy44: Jusr because the jury didn't buy it doesn't mean he wasn't insane. A friend of mine was in prison for a bit (victimless crime), and from what he's told me, there are a LOT of crazy people there. Though most are just sociopaths, or drug dealers.
 
2002-10-22 09:19:53 AM
GratefulDead so you're saying that you believe that anyone that suffers from a mental illness other than bipolar dissorder should be killed? And they let you work in a psych ward for two years?
 
2002-10-22 09:20:11 AM
Do psychopaths recognize other psychopaths?
 
2002-10-22 09:27:48 AM
CommieSheep: I suggest you work in a 24/7 lockdown facility before you speculate. Straight jacket ankle cuffs, and even chemical restraints.... These people are a burden on society. ANd actaully I am against the death penalty, as it is unjust. If there were a way to make it just, I would be fully in favor of it. Are you aware of how many "mentally ill" people brutally torture animals? it is very common.....
 
2002-10-22 09:35:03 AM
10-22-02 08:52:55 AM DiamondDave
Until Berkowitz starts naming the other 21 or so people involved in the Son Of Sam killings,

Dave - please elaborate. What 21 people?
 
2002-10-22 09:36:17 AM
GratefulDead you are not a bad person because you have a chemical imbalance in your brain, and this doesn't make you less worthy of living than someone that is considered sane, it just means you need help. And if it's just the fact that it's the money society spends helping these people that warrants them to be put down, what about severely physically disabled people as well? Should we put them to sleep also if they are unable to get a job because of their disability and end up relying on money from the state? I don't put a value on a human life, and I don't think anyone has a right to either, regardless of how many mentally ill people they have worked with.
 
2002-10-22 09:40:59 AM
and just cos some people's mental illness makes them more likely to commit violent acts than others doesn't mean they should be killed either, you're more likely to commit violent acts after drinking alcohol, does this mean we should not treat alcoholics and just kill them all too?
 
2002-10-22 09:41:46 AM
CommieSheep: actually, I worked in MR for quite a few years too, MR folks actually contribute to society. I don't buy the chemical imbalance crap though about MH folks, most hospitalized (involuntaryly committed) people do not have chemical imbalances. We need to judge people on their actions, irrespective of what chemicals they have in their heads. SUre lithium helps some people, clonopin is great for SOME people with real illness, but most of them are just bad people, who use "menatl illness" as a crutch for sympathy. Many will never get better, so no, I stand behind my statements. ANd don't try and drag MR people into it, sure there are some folks who have both, but that deosn't excuse violence.
 
2002-10-22 09:48:53 AM
Dave - please elaborate. What 21 people?

When the shooting first started, the police had already decided that it was one guy doing all of the killings. What caused such a big slow down in the investigations was that none of the witness' descriptions matched from crime to crime.

The first comoposite released actually looked remarkably like Sam Carr (the owner of the famous "Devil Dog"). Another victim described SoS as being thin build with straight blonde hair - hardly a description fitting Berkowitz. The official, final composite has "Sam" looking Latino or even black. These different descriptions were all attributed by NYPD as Berkowitz using disguises, even though he has repeatedly denied ever wearing one.

One of the first letters sent to the police was signed "The Twenty-Two Deciples Of Hell". Berkowitz admits to being a member of a Satanic cult and that some of them were involved. He won't give out names because he says that most of them are dead and it won't matter anyway.
 
2002-10-22 09:51:03 AM
what an asscap

Damnit!
 
2002-10-22 09:52:25 AM
 
2002-10-22 09:54:07 AM
bam boy. yall foolz aint got nan htm izz ell skillz likes dat son. Son of Sam says he aint got nan skizzillz and he deserves ta be shizot by da snizipah.

/ahem. huh? why was i talking like that?
 
2002-10-22 09:55:24 AM
now why the fark are we giving this guy more publicity? i say fark him, let him sit in a cell and rot away forgotten. i sure as hell don't give a fark what he thinks about anything, why give him something to do?
 
2002-10-22 09:57:08 AM
Then this would be where me and you differ GratefulDead because I don't think people are inherantly good and evil and I do believe that people who have committed acts that many would consider evil can be helped and should be helped, and I don't believe mental illness is just a crutch that is used for sympathy. Maybe I just don't think that the world is made up of just two groups of people, good people and bad people, and that all bad people should be killed, maybe I just ain't that judgemental. Maybe I believe that if someone has done something bad that rather than just saying 'oh well they obviously did that because they are a bad person' that you should consider the reasons why they did it and what could be done so that they don't do the same again, whether the reason was mental illness or an abusive upbringing or whatever. Many people can and do get better, and the solution isn't to assume that because in a lot of cases they don't get better that they will never contribute to society and that they don't deserve to live. I am still really surprised that you were allowed to work in a psych ward for two years, it does little to persuade me that enough people are actually getting the treatment they need when someone that worked there thinks that most of the patients should get none.
 
2002-10-22 09:59:43 AM
"i sure as hell don't give a fark what he thinks about anything"

And yet here you are.
 
2002-10-22 10:00:56 AM
If it could be made just or not, the death penalty is stupid. Let 'em rot in a cell. Death is the easy way out.
 
2002-10-22 10:03:50 AM
well its not like i read the article, i'm biatching that it even exsists
 
2002-10-22 10:05:25 AM
Doesn't mental illness cancel out the "intelligent design" crap the dumbass creationists are always going on about?
 
2002-10-22 10:08:54 AM
Doesn't mental illness cancel out the "intelligent design" crap the dumbass creationists are always going on about?

Don't know - does homosexuality cancel out all the "evolution" crap the dumbass evolutionists are always going on about?
 
2002-10-22 10:11:08 AM
At least, that's what the schnauzer tells him.
 
2002-10-22 10:11:10 AM
Testing - ignore me
 
2002-10-22 10:11:58 AM
DiamandDave

"Don't know - does homosexuality cancel out all the "evolution" crap the dumbass evolutionists are always going on about?"

no
 
2002-10-22 10:14:22 AM
Well, then...
 
2002-10-22 10:14:40 AM
Diamond Dave
Don't know - does homosexuality cancel out all the "evolution" crap the dumbass evolutionists are always going on about?

No, actually. A species that gets too successful will run itself out of resources reproducing. If a homosexual element begins to appear, that can reduce population growth without starvation and the subsequent die-off that can weaken a species beyond what is necessary for survival.

Species that have evolved to have a high reproductive rate and that have overcome predators should ideally develop homosexual traits to satisfy the instinct towards reproductive activity without the resultant increase in population.
 
2002-10-22 10:17:40 AM
i guarantee that 90% of comments made in a thread are authored by people that did not read the article.
 
2002-10-22 10:17:49 AM
i still think i said it better Nightsweat
 
2002-10-22 10:18:18 AM
oh, like me!
 
2002-10-22 10:18:41 AM
"No, actually. A species that gets too successful will run itself out of resources reproducing. If a homosexual element begins to appear, that can reduce population growth without starvation and the subsequent die-off that can weaken a species beyond what is necessary for survival.

Species that have evolved to have a high reproductive rate and that have overcome predators should ideally develop homosexual traits to satisfy the instinct towards reproductive activity without the resultant increase in population."

I saw a study once that showed that rats in captivity, when overpopulated (tons in 1 cage) show a higher incidence of homosexuality and sexual apathy thn those with more reasonable populations.
 
2002-10-22 10:18:46 AM
CommieSheep
I think so, too but I was busy typing while you were posting so I didn't see yours until after I hit "add comment".
 
2002-10-22 10:21:03 AM
CommieSheep: I don't "assume" people can't better, I have seen that many people DON't get better. I also don't belive people are "inherently good or eveil", just that people should be held responsible for their actions. I think you are projecting your sterotypes on me. Anyway, there is a lot of PC bullshiat about how we should pity the mentally ill, I think this is a waste of money. Having actually worked in the industry (and it is a money making industry in the private sector) I am quite jaded. Those who have the money get out of jail for "behavior disorders", when in reality they are common criminals who committed violent crimes. They just get off by declaring insanity, and can go to a much nicer provate hospital instead of serving time in jail, plus they get good drugs...
 
2002-10-22 10:21:29 AM
nightsweat, since you are on the topic of homosexuality ...

/prolly nsfw, but i may be wrong.
 
2002-10-22 10:22:23 AM
I think I'm glad MrVeach's link/picture didn't work.
 
2002-10-22 10:22:48 AM
ok...my fault. i hate html. here you go nightsweat

as i said, it probably aint sfw
 
2002-10-22 10:22:48 AM
"I don't "assume" people can't better, I have seen that many people DON't get better."

This is likely a result of our limited understanding of the human mind.
 
2002-10-22 10:23:07 AM
Re insanity defense:

It is possible for a defendant to be totally insane and still not qualify for the insanity defense. If you are lucid enough to realize you are killing people, and that society in general sees this as a very bad thing, you are lucid enough to be convicted of a crime.
 
2002-10-22 10:23:32 AM
A species that gets too successful will run itself out of resources reproducing.

Name one.
 
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