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2008-01-17 05:05:10 PM  
Hmmm... what this thread needs is more fuel.

Yooohooo!! Czarangelus!!!
 
2008-01-17 05:05:16 PM  
mark12A: Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Palistinian government spent the money on making their citizens lives better?

/silly me. Most of it will end up in Swiss bank accounts of Hamas leaders.



Actually, when it comes to doing public works, fixing schools, providing utilities, Hamas has a pretty good record. They're probably one of the most honest regimes in any arab country. In fact, this was why they got elected into power. However, they're also very honest in that their main goal is to destroy Israel. That's the dilemma.
 
2008-01-17 05:05:18 PM  
Much good will surely not fail to come of this. Perhaps.
 
2008-01-17 05:05:39 PM  

Aside from Qassams, there have been recent reports of a Katyusha having been launched from Gaza to Ashkelon.


(WaPo for instance).


They're not particularly precise -- hence the historical MLRS approach -- but longer range than the also-not-very-precise Qassams.

 
2008-01-17 05:06:12 PM  
organizm: don't ever forget, the first and for most reason why al-qaeda hates our guts is because of our funding of israel.

Therefore, we must capitulate to the demands of a group of people who want us to live back in the 11th century. Fan-tastic.
 
2008-01-17 05:06:40 PM  
neither parcel of land has any oil on it, who gives a shiat, really, let them all live like animals and kill eachother in the name of god or allah, the world would probably be a better place.
 
2008-01-17 05:06:40 PM  
This conflict will be resolved just as soon as the Palestinians and the Israelis realize that they love their children more than they hate each other, and not a moment before. I'm sick of arguing about who started it - what is this, fourth grade with artillery? A pox on both their houses.
 
2008-01-17 05:06:46 PM  
Yassir Arafat had hundreds of millions he was just sitting on that came in the form of "aid" because hey... If they actually spent that money on helping those people and improved their situation then they wouldn't have any excuses for terrorism or be able to cry about how hard life is for them.
 
2008-01-17 05:07:04 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: KaponoFor3: It's a matter of intent -- you know that, but you choose not to believe that the Israelis are not willingly killing innocent civilians. I believe that they do accidentally (or even negligently) kill innocent civilians. Even if it is done negligently, the Palestinians intentional targeting of innocent civilians is worse.

They're both bad, but since Israel doesn't do it on purpose they're better. Right.


Yeah guy. Look at our own judicial system. Negligent homicide receives a much lighter sentence than 1st or even 2nd degree murder. Facts is facts.
 
2008-01-17 05:07:23 PM  
7.6 Billion dollars will go to the following:

6 Billion will go to the top .5% of the Palastinians which will fatten their Costa Rican and Swiss accounts.

.5 Billion will go to smuggling luxury goods in so that the same .5% don't have to eat "peasant food" or live without gold ornementation in their homes.

1 Billion Will go to same said homes when Israel bombs the shiat outta those mansions.

.1 Billion Will go to cheap ass weapons that countries don't want anymore, and figure Palastine is better and cheaper than proper disposal.

Palastine won't get better until they get some leaders that aren't milking their misery like an Emo Cow.
 
2008-01-17 05:07:34 PM  
organizm: maybe this will help match the billions a year Israel gets in aid from the United States every year to help fund their occupation.

i read somewhere that the average Israeli citizen sees more money a year from the American government than the average American citizen does.

don't ever forget, the first and for most reason why al-qaeda hates our guts is because of our funding of israel.


That's Anti-Semitic you know
/Israel need to get off our tit
 
2008-01-17 05:08:07 PM  
Awesome
 
2008-01-17 05:08:29 PM  
Fibber McLiarson: Hmmm... what this thread needs is more fuel.

Yooohooo!! Czarangelus!!!


Didn't you already see Tatsuma in the thread? Czarangeleus is just a psychotic break away. Give Tatsuma a minute to get reved up and I am sure they will both be here, puking up the thread.

/it was so nice to not have them around the last couple weeks.
 
2008-01-17 05:08:38 PM  
i dont understand most of this, but i dont think either side is right. i was listening to conservative talk radio and they told an american of "native american" descent to let the whole oppression of the past go. the same radio host talks about how there wont be middle east peace wont happen until all arabs recognize israels right to exist. he didnt apply the arguement that the jews should just get over it. what i am saying is that both sides cherry pick information to support their agenda. just like here in america. i dont think that anyone is getting the whole story except the people who experience it first hand. americans dont want to bow to international pressure, why would arabs? ok now back to the regularly scheduled internet politician programming.
 
2008-01-17 05:08:38 PM  
muck4doo: cameroncrazy1984: revskippy: THey do shiat about it, then unfortunately get lambasted by the media in several countries that don't understand why they don't want to just get pelted with munitions constantly.

Because the only rational response to violence is more violence and occupation. Brilliant.

They tried drum circles but they didn't go as well as planned.


Nice black and white world you live in, there. "Violence" and "drum circles" aren't the only options, y'know...

/Or do you know?
 
2008-01-17 05:08:41 PM  
Summon tats-- oh forget it.
 
2008-01-17 05:08:52 PM  
drjekel_mrhyde: /Israel need to get off our tit

Couldn't agree more! Israel needs to stop accepting ALL American money so Bush, Clinton, Carter and ANY other American Presidents CANNOT stab us in the face and ask us to say "thanks" ever again
 
2008-01-17 05:08:59 PM  
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End the Occupation or make them full citizens. Human beings have rights.

"I know what its like to hear that you can't use a certain road or pass through a checkpoint because you are a Palestinian. I know what it is like to feel discriminated against and powerless."

- Condoleeza Rice, on growing up black in the south
 
2008-01-17 05:09:05 PM  
Can someone remind me why we're supposed to care again?
 
2008-01-17 05:10:16 PM  
The Palestineans are in dire straights over there. Unfortunately the average Joe does not think of a destitute, impoverished group of people but rather a bomb happy assasin. Unfortunately the only way for that aid to really help the people out would be for it to go through the hands of the Israeli government to see to it that the people who need it most get it. The leaders of those people don't give a damn about them.
 
2008-01-17 05:10:25 PM  
Tatsuma: drjekel_mrhyde: /Israel need to get off our tit

Couldn't agree more! Israel needs to stop accepting ALL American money so Bush, Clinton, Carter and ANY other American Presidents CANNOT stab us in the face and ask us to say "thanks" ever again


Do you live in Israel
 
2008-01-17 05:10:29 PM  
TFA: PA minister of planning laments difficulty of fulfilling development plans in Hamas-controlled Gaza, despite willingness to allocate some 40% of new development budget to impoverished coastal territory

Haha... you've got to be kidding me. The old "Well, I would give this to you, if it weren't for 'X'" routine? Does everybody over there operate at the level of a grade schooler or something?

Come to think of it, that explains a lot...
 
2008-01-17 05:11:10 PM  
Or just funnel the money into the proper channels (i.e. Military Budget), and just pay Israel for technology over the top instead of under the table.
 
2008-01-17 05:11:18 PM  
randomjsa: Yassir Arafat had hundreds of millions he was just sitting on that came in the form of "aid" because hey... If they actually spent that money on helping those people and improved their situation then they wouldn't have any excuses for terrorism or be able to cry about how hard life is for them.

Since Arafat died, at least 2 BILLIONS worth of aid disappeared from the PA's bank accounts.

organizm: don't ever forget, the first and for most reason why al-qaeda hates our guts is because of our funding of israel.

That's a lie, a lie propagated by people who know NOTHING about Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda first and foremost hates us because of our involvement in Saudi Arabia

The very reason why Al Qaeda was formed and started to wage a war against the West to begin with was to protest against the Saudi's decision to allow American troops in the country to protect them from Saddam, rather than using Bin Laden's men
 
2008-01-17 05:12:18 PM  
The people with hobby rockets, small arms and rocks that have no ability to defend themselves that are the real threat here.
 
2008-01-17 05:12:19 PM  
people who want war will be unhappy with this, but let them be unhappy. most people will realize it is a good move and just the product of common sense
 
2008-01-17 05:13:15 PM  
www.james-everest.org
 
2008-01-17 05:13:31 PM  
21-7-b: people who want war will be unhappy with this, but let them be unhappy. most people will realize it is a good move and just the product of common sense

Yes, because applauding billions of dollars sent to terrorist organizations that will use most of it to buy weapons and to create terror infrastructure, and only a small amount will make it back to the people who need it, is a step for peace.

You're s-m-r-t.
 
2008-01-17 05:14:46 PM  
I want to care, but just can't bring myself to.

Wye River was the best deal the Palestinians were ever gonna get.
 
2008-01-17 05:15:28 PM  
The central irony behind Israel's thirty year occupation and low level war against the Palestinians is the fact that Israel became a state because of the Nazis in the first place and have now become very like the thing they hate the most.

While more and more Israeli youth are increasingly disenchanted with the state of things in the occupied territories and refusing to do their mandatory military service, the Israeli government itself couldn't be happier. The plan in Palestine has always been War Eternal tm using the non stop unrelenting violence of the Palestininians as the perenial excuse as to why "We Can't Leave Yet" tm. The fact that Israel has been fostering and fomenting much of that violence for lo these many years is not an accident.

Trouble here is that the Neo-Cons in DC seem to have taken a page outta Israel's playbook as regards Irag/ Afghanistan. War Eternal tm is also their plan and so far it's turning out exactly as planned. Nobody cuts fourty year deals with the multinationals who have taken over the Iraqi economy w/o some sort of plan as to how to stay in the country until the oil runs out.

This was, is, and shall forever be the plan.

We Can't Leave Yet tm
Remember folks, you heard it here first.
 
2008-01-17 05:17:06 PM  
BravadoGT

Link (new window)
 
2008-01-17 05:17:20 PM  
Tatsuma: The very reason why Al Qaeda was formed and started to wage a war against the West to begin with was to protest against the Saudi's decision to allow American troops in the country to protect them from Saddam, rather than using Bin Laden's men

You must admit that the pro-Israel foreign policy does help bolster their numbers though.

I say get out of the whole damned mess and let them do to one another what they want. It's their problem, let them deal with it.
 
2008-01-17 05:17:37 PM  
quatchi: The central irony behind Israel's thirty year occupation and low level war against the Palestinians is the fact that Israel became a state because of the Nazis in the first place and have now become very like the thing they hate the most.

No, Jews haven't become Nazis. That you even make this statement means three things. Either

A) You're completely ignorant about WWII
B) YOu're completely ignorant about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
C) You're so dumb any rational human being wouldn't trust you to babysit rocks.

Seeing this statement

The central irony behind Israel's thirty year occupation

I'm inclined to say A
 
2008-01-17 05:17:41 PM  
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5212870.stm
 
2008-01-17 05:18:25 PM  
looking through the thread, i see the normal wingnuts shrieking away. instead of that, shall we actually look at who is giving the aid, over how long and what it is for? to me, that seems more sensible than giving our own western religious propagandists a platform.
 
2008-01-17 05:18:53 PM  
organizm: don't ever forget, the first and for most reason why al-qaeda hates our guts is because of our funding of israel.

That's actually not the primary reason. The primary reason is our image as the figurehead of The West. The second is that the Saudi government had us come in to the Holy Land under to fight Saddam rather than let Osama Bin Laden and his Mujahideen drive the Iraqis out, and our subsequent and permanent installation of American forces in SA and its neighbors.

The West's support for Israel, and the betrayal of not providing the Palestinians with a state of their own, is certainly a factor. But Osama Bin Laden's pride and our image as the face of the corrupting West have far more to with it than financial support for Israel.
 
2008-01-17 05:19:19 PM  
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2008-01-17 05:19:26 PM  
Tatsuma: organizm: don't ever forget, the first and for most reason why al-qaeda hates our guts is because of our funding of israel.

That's a lie, a lie propagated by people who know NOTHING about Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda first and foremost hates us because of our involvement in Saudi Arabia



Muslim Public Opinion on US Policy, Attacks on Civilians and al Qaeda PDF


repost
(p 17) Views of Al Qaeda Goals

To push the US to stop favoring Israel in its conflict with the Palestinians

50% strongly agree
26% Agree
76% total


To keep Western values out of Islamic countries

51% strongly agree
24% agree
75% total


To stand up to America and affirm the dignity of the Islamic people

50% strongly
25%
75% total


To push the US to remove its bases and its military forces from all Islamic countries

48% strongly
26%
74% total


To unify all Islamic countries into a single Islamic state or Caliphate (see below)

36% strongly
29%
65% total

To push the US to stop providing support to such governments as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan

20%
25%
45%


(my words: whats wierd about the caliphate data is the 67% -even higher percentage than the caliphate percentage- that considered "a democratic political system to be a good way of governing their country."

(p. 25) In all four countries polled, strong majorities (67% overall) said they considered "a democratic political system to be a good way of governing their country.

Support for human rights appears to be strong, even extending to the freedom to practice any religion. Respondents were asked whether in their own country, "people of any religion should be free to worship according to their own beliefs." On average 82 percent said they should (63% strongly). Indonesians were the most emphatic supporters of freedom of religion: 93 percent supported it (82% strongly). In Egypt, almost nine out of ten agreed (88%)....
 
2008-01-17 05:20:03 PM  
organizm
maybe this will help match the billions a year Israel gets in aid from the United States every year to help fund their occupation.

what's your excuse for giving the same amounts of money to Egypt and Jordan?
The last time i checked giving money to some country so it can buy stuff from you is a way of supporting you own economy and workforce.

so you can take the next fail train to Gaza
 
2008-01-17 05:20:06 PM  
Tatsuma: randomjsa: Yassir Arafat had hundreds of millions he was just sitting on that came in the form of "aid" because hey... If they actually spent that money on helping those people and improved their situation then they wouldn't have any excuses for terrorism or be able to cry about how hard life is for them.

Since Arafat died, at least 2 BILLIONS worth of aid disappeared from the PA's bank accounts.

organizm: don't ever forget, the first and for most reason why al-qaeda hates our guts is because of our funding of israel.

That's a lie, a lie propagated by people who know NOTHING about Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda first and foremost hates us because of our involvement in Saudi Arabia

The very reason why Al Qaeda was formed and started to wage a war against the West to begin with was to protest against the Saudi's decision to allow American troops in the country to protect them from Saddam, rather than using Bin Laden's men


How did Ron Paul get Tatsuma's Fark login/password?
 
2008-01-17 05:20:27 PM  
I came by for the czarangelus ravings. What's that - he's not here yet? Sorry, carry on...
 
2008-01-17 05:20:39 PM  
Tatsuma: drjekel_mrhyde: /Israel need to get off our tit

Couldn't agree more! Israel needs to stop accepting ALL American money so Bush, Clinton, Carter and ANY other American Presidents CANNOT stab us in the face and ask us to say "thanks" ever again


Haha. You're a dog on our chain. Sad but true.
 
2008-01-17 05:20:45 PM  
tatsuma

You're s-m-r-t.


i'm more intelligent than you, but that doesn't matter. what matters is that i am significantly more rational than you
 
2008-01-17 05:20:56 PM  
sarcastrophe: You must admit that the pro-Israel foreign policy does help bolster their numbers though.

America doesn't have a pro-Israel foreign policy.

America has a pro-American Interests foreign diplomacy. And I'm perfectly fine with that. America backs Israel because of what it gets. But once American interests shift from those of Israel, or in fact goes opposite, America has no problem just kicking Israel in the teeth.

That's fine. I want America to care about American interests. And I want Israel to care about Israeli interests. This is why, in support of both of these things, I approve cutting aid to Israel now.
 
2008-01-17 05:21:03 PM  
sarcastrophe: Can someone remind me why we're supposed to care again?

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
 
2008-01-17 05:21:10 PM  
Tatsuma: quatchi: The central irony behind Israel's thirty year occupation and low level war against the Palestinians is the fact that Israel became a state because of the Nazis in the first place and have now become very like the thing they hate the most.

No, Jews haven't become Nazis. That you even make this statement means three things. Either

A) You're completely ignorant about WWII
B) YOu're completely ignorant about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
C) You're so dumb any rational human being wouldn't trust you to babysit rocks.

Seeing this statement

The central irony behind Israel's thirty year occupation

I'm inclined to say A


I will go with D) all of the above.
 
2008-01-17 05:21:42 PM  
Party Boy: Muslim Public Opinion on US Policy, Attacks on Civilians and al Qaeda PDF

That survey really means dick unless you are trying to say that a survey of "Muslim Public Opinion" is the same thing as "Al Qaeda opinion". I know you aren't trying to say that all Muslims are Al-Qaeda, right?
 
2008-01-17 05:21:48 PM  
Not if they buy the missiles through Halliburton...
 
2008-01-17 05:22:22 PM  
organizm: don't ever forget, the first and for most reason why al-qaeda hates our guts is because of our funding of israel.

Why should anyone care why al-qaeda hates our guts? Funding Israel is the right thing to do, regardless what the terrorists think.
 
2008-01-17 05:23:04 PM  
Hey Lev, if you put your curls together like this and blow....it sounds just like a missile coming down on the Palestinian dogs on the other side of the barrier!

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