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(Gainesville Sun)   Jack Kevorkian continues push for legal euthanasia, notes that it can end suffering, provide cheap source of protein for the poor   (gainesvillesun.com) divider line 116
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2008-01-16 03:37:41 PM
"I'll have some Soylent Green, with Soylent Orange, followed by a side of Soylent coleslaw."
 
2008-01-16 03:41:27 PM
"Soylent Green is racist!"
 
2008-01-16 03:41:45 PM
www.corkyreport.com
/that is all
 
2008-01-16 03:42:09 PM
Now that UberDave has been here, we can all leave.

/Nothing else to see here, folks.
//UD FTW!!!
///lurvs me some slashies.
 
2008-01-16 03:43:55 PM
From TFA:

Citing his disgust with the government, Kevorkian suggested "everyone should refuse to vote. That will give the tyrant a message."


He made sense up to this point. The not-voting message received by the tyrant would be "the voters are 100% apathetic". We need more - and informed - voter participation.
 
2008-01-16 03:43:57 PM
Dr. Death didn't deserve the moneys he got for this considering the sizeable debt UF is in right now.
 
2008-01-16 03:45:33 PM
I have always found it ironic that in our country which is dedicated to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" people tell you what you can and cannot do with your own life.

/on the other hand there should be saftey features to be (insert expletive) sure that this is what the patient wants.
 
2008-01-16 03:45:35 PM
Hmm, sounds like a modest proposal.
 
2008-01-16 03:45:39 PM
A co-worker went and she told me that she went to see if he had anything new and interesing to say, and he didn't. Security at these events since John Kerry and Gonzo is very different. There are lots more cops and barriers in place to keep the crazies at bay, which is a good thing.
 
2008-01-16 03:45:46 PM
FRY
Maybe the secret ingedient is people!

LEELA
There's already a soda like that. It's called Soylent Cola.

FRY
So, how does it taste?

LEELA
It varies from person to person.
 
2008-01-16 03:46:08 PM
I think euthanasia should be completely legal. Why the hell should someone have to spend the remainder of their days SUFFERING? I'm COMPLETELY on his side.
 
2008-01-16 03:46:28 PM
UberDave: "I'll have some Soylent Green, with Soylent Orange, followed by a side of Soylent coleslaw."

Don't forget the soylent colatm
 
2008-01-16 03:47:04 PM
Go Gators! shiat, if I wanna die, why in the hell do YOU care about it?
 
2008-01-16 03:47:09 PM
An able bodied person who chooses to kill himslf is free to do so.

If you want to kill yourself but are physically unable to do so, aren't your human rights being violated if the state fails to provide you with the means to access the same privelidges as an able bodied person?
 
2008-01-16 03:47:21 PM
img5.allocine.fr

It's made of people!!!
 
2008-01-16 03:47:33 PM
Pink4Flower Why the hell should someone have to spend the remainder of their days SUFFERING? I'm COMPLETELY on his side.

Because Jebus says so.
 
2008-01-16 03:47:59 PM
Jack is a true humanitarian. Here is his manifesto.

www.ransackery.com
 
2008-01-16 03:48:03 PM
Anyone opposed to voluntary assisted suicide, ultimately sees you as a slave. They believe your life is not your own.

If there is a single thing in the whole world you should always have a right to do, it's choosing to end your life.
 
2008-01-16 03:48:50 PM
Woody Allen wants legal Youth in Asia too!
 
2008-01-16 03:49:13 PM
AlgaeRancher: I have always found it ironic that in our country which is dedicated to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" people tell you what you can and cannot do with your own life.

That's because people view money as liberty, and not having money means not being free, therefore we must take money from others to get freedom.
 
2008-01-16 03:49:16 PM
img516.imageshack.us

Much better than Jack.
 
2008-01-16 03:50:13 PM
Pink4Flower: I think euthanasia should be completely legal. Why the hell should someone have to spend the remainder of their days SUFFERING? I'm COMPLETELY on his side.

Agree. I'm glad he got out of prison for his declining health, but continues to hang in there. Suck it, state of Michigan.
 
2008-01-16 03:50:33 PM
JesseL:
If there is a single thing in the whole world you should always have a right to do, it's choosing to end your life rub one out.


FTFY FOC
 
2008-01-16 03:51:47 PM
tuna fingers: JesseL:
If there is a single thing in the whole world you should always have a right to do, it's choosing to end your life rub one out.

FTFY FOC


Well, yeah. I thought that went without saying.
 
2008-01-16 03:53:12 PM
kevork \k&'vOrk\ v. To attempt and/or accomplish suicide.
 
2008-01-16 03:53:13 PM
Kevorkian's speech was light on details about the days he spent administering death to some 130 people -

Sticky Note To Me: 1. pick up some apples for lunch. 2. get a box of litter for kitty. 3. kill some poor sick bastard.
 
2008-01-16 03:53:32 PM
I doubt the FDA would approve cancer or disease riddled bodies for human food. Pet food, yes, but human quality? Face it, Great Aunt Petunia is just going to be Alpo.
 
2008-01-16 03:55:36 PM
Mayhem_2006: An able bodied person who chooses to kill himslf is free to do so.

If you want to kill yourself but are physically unable to do so, aren't your human rights being violated if the state fails to provide you with the means to access the same privelidges as an able bodied person?


Absolutely not.

The state does not exist to give you everything that you want.

Your human rights are not violated when the state does not give you what you want.

The state shouldn't stop you from doing what you want, provided it's legal, and it shouldn't stop you from hiring someone to do something you can't do yourself, provided that's legal as well.

/For assisted suicide
//Against creeping sense of entitlement
 
2008-01-16 03:55:42 PM
They beefed up security because of all the hate mail Bernie Mach got and then only a handfull of protestors showed up? Do we have to reinstitute the draft around here to get people to protest these days?

/If people are so sick they want to go then let them go. It's what they want. Not what you want.
 
2008-01-16 03:55:50 PM
gorgor
Woody Allen wants legal Youth in Asia too!

Good one.
 
2008-01-16 03:55:56 PM
JesseL, cheers!

By the way, Farkers, why is this a Soylent Green thread? I thought maybe the good doctor made a funny somewhere, but no.
 
2008-01-16 03:56:09 PM
Jack's new CD is great:

Kevorkian Unplugged
 
2008-01-16 03:56:11 PM
Whatever your views are on his actions, the way he was left to rot in prison for so long, with almost no access to the media (or anybody else, for that matter) is a damn shame.

I think he's ridiculous, but at least he brought up something that honestly did need to be debated and addressed by our society.

Both my parents want me to pull the plug if it gets bad, or they lose their mental capacity, and to cremate them (Mom wants to be somewhere in the Great Lakes; not sure about Dad). Not only did he open up a dialogue where I know this, but that's gonna save me a helluva lot of money by not artificially expanding their life while quite possibly keeping them in unnecessary pain.

Thanks, Mom and Dad.
 
2008-01-16 03:58:52 PM
FTFA (kind of):


Hey Kervorkian! Freebird! Freebird!
 
2008-01-16 03:59:06 PM
toraque
//Against creeping sense of entitlement

"Creeping"??? I hate to break it to you, but it's been stomping around for some time now.


/All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit / Get over it, get over it 11/1994
 
2008-01-16 03:59:07 PM
JesseL: Anyone opposed to voluntary assisted suicide, ultimately sees you as a slave. They believe your life is not your own.

If there is a single thing in the whole world you should always have a right to do, it's choosing to end your life.


I disagree, people suffering from depression are not in their right minds, and may later be very glad they were prevented from killing themselves.

\Was once very depressed/suicidal myself. It's completely delusional thinking, often caused by nothing more than brain chemistry being out of whack.
 
2008-01-16 03:59:26 PM
The ocean's dying; the plankton's dying. It's people. Soylent Green is made out of people. They're making our food out of people! Next thing you know they'll be breeding us like cattle - for food! You gotta tell 'em, Hatcher! You gotta tell 'em they're right! You gotta tell 'em, we have to stop them! SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!

/best movie ever
 
2008-01-16 03:59:52 PM
Back when i attended Michigan state university, they had a festival/art fair at the end of summer. It was twilight when i wandered down an alley to see what was up back there. VERY surreal to meet Dr. Kevorkian in the back of a dark alley.

/did not stay long.
 
2008-01-16 04:02:03 PM
altinos 2008-01-16 03:49:13 PM
AlgaeRancher: I have always found it ironic that in our country which is dedicated to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" people tell you what you can and cannot do with your own life.

That's because people view money as liberty, and not having money means not being free, therefore we must take money from others to get freedom.


ironically the opposite is true, I beleive the musician Janice Joplin said it best

"fredom is just another word for nothing left to loose"

possesions, ties, commitments all of them are the opposite to freedom. And thats ok, society is based on giving up the freedom of living alone for the ability to live together.

Fortunately the framers of the constitution were good at this sort of thing, hopefully we can sort out what rights do we have?

You can applaud kevorkian or hate him however It feels good to see an American stand for what he belives in. Even if it offends a lot of people.
 
2008-01-16 04:02:35 PM
Because the issue isn't whether or not you yourself may end your life (a personal decision), but whether or not another person may physically assist you in ending your life (which according to state laws ranges from manslaughter to capital murder).

The danger that the courts are afraid of is that people will begin killing ill or elderly relatives willy-nilly and then claiming it was a mercy killing or that they were "suffering" and right now there is no legal standing for such an action.
 
2008-01-16 04:02:45 PM
Soylent Green.

Good band name?
 
2008-01-16 04:03:23 PM
I read that as "Jack Kerouac."
 
2008-01-16 04:05:33 PM
the old crow: Hmm, sounds like a modest proposal.

I thought the point was to solve the world hunger problems and poor problems?
 
2008-01-16 04:06:16 PM
The danger that the courts are afraid of is that people will begin killing ill or elderly relatives willy-nilly and then claiming it was a mercy killing or that they were "suffering" and right now there is no legal standing for such an action.

excellent point. especially relevant over the next 20 years as the baby boomers retire and start sucking up the nation's economy in an attempt to live forever.
 
2008-01-16 04:06:46 PM
AlgaeRancher: I have always found it ironic that in our country which is dedicated to "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness" people tell you what you can and cannot do with your own life.

/on the other hand there should be saftey features to be (insert expletive) sure that this is what the patient wants.


www.ualberta.ca
 
2008-01-16 04:09:44 PM
A relative of mine recently had to decide whether or not to give do-not-resuscitate orders for his dying mother.

It turned out that the decision was pointless in the end, but you don't know that when you're called to make the decision.

Making that call can't be an easy thing for anybody. You have to put a lot of thought into each individual circumstance.

So I can imagine it's frustrating when some outsider with no clue about your situation pops in and tells you what the decision should be. Sure they may be right on a technical level, but the arrogance and inconsideration will only serve to strenghthen the resolve of those who are (or who believe they might someday be) affected.

Besides, life is more than a beating heart and an active brain. If the do-gooders are against legalizing assisted suicide, they should put just as much effort into prohibiting laziness, depression, etc.
 
2008-01-16 04:11:16 PM
Ravie:
I disagree, people suffering from depression are not in their right minds, and may later be very glad they were prevented from killing themselves.

\Was once very depressed/suicidal myself. It's completely delusional thinking, often caused by nothing more than brain chemistry being out of whack.


That's all probably true. I still don't think it's an adequate justification for curtailing the most basic freedom.

People screw up their lives with all kinds of delusional thinking, but legally denying them the right to do so rarely makes things any better.
 
2008-01-16 04:11:37 PM
Y'know, I support the whole right to die, but he lost me here:

"Kevorkian proposed a new and radical system that would allow criminals "sanctuary," where they could be protected from prosecution and aggression. While in the sanctuary, criminals would be permitted to negotiate an appropriate punishment with the families and loved ones of victims, eliminating the need for jury trials."


Snitches get stitches.
 
2008-01-16 04:11:47 PM

toraque


Mayhem_2006: If you want to kill yourself but are physically unable to do so, aren't your human rights being violated if the state fails to provide you with the means to access the same privelidges as an able bodied person?

Absolutely not.

The state does not exist to give you everything that you want.

Your human rights are not violated when the state does not give you what you want.


I think Mayhem_2006 was looking at this as an ADA-type issue, like building handicapped ramps to accommodate those with disabilities. The Kevorklich Maneuver wouldn't be an ADA/discrimination issue because the government is not providing assisted suicide as a service.


The state shouldn't stop you from doing what you want, provided it's legal, and it shouldn't stop you from hiring someone to do something you can't do yourself, provided that's legal as well.


Hypothetical: can I hire someone to lift a piano to a sufficient height and provide an easily-operated quick-release mechanism so I can drop the piano on my own head? (Assuming I take precautions to prevent others from getting piano-fied)
 
Rae
2008-01-16 04:11:53 PM
To be clear - there were FIVE protesters. I was in line by the "protest staging area" for about 45 minutes while they wanded everyone. I am not convinced the good doctor was entirely lucid, and at one point, his attorney got up and murmured something in Jack's ear. I really have a great deal of respect for him, but he sort of lost me when, about an hour into his lecture, he encouraged 5,000 college kids to carry around a kilo of cocaine. Oh, then he told us not to vote.
 
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