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(Asia Times)   German researchers have proof that the Koran might not actually have been written by Mohammed. This should all end well   (atimes.com ) divider line 406
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2008-01-15 11:27:02 AM  
SnoreCriminal: WishX: And here we all thought Bush would wind up starting WW3. Who knew?

Never underestimate the German ability to start a World War.


Gavrilo Princip would like a word with you.
 
2008-01-15 11:27:52 AM  
TUO3MTA3: Mekongcola I like the sign on the far right in your picture

"Europe you will pay. Your extemmination is on it's lay"

Get a brain moransKorans


FIFY
 
2008-01-15 11:28:08 AM  
Fundies aside....this matters why?
 
2008-01-15 11:28:40 AM  
kc987654: I_C_Weener: kc987654: czarangelus: Noexit: Just for fun I'm going to split a hair. Paul did meet Jesus. He was formally introduced on the Damascus road.

Which is different from Mohammad hearing voices in his head.... how?

Paul also saw a LIGHT. Visual and auditory hallucinations beat solely auditory hallucinations.

/of course deliberate cons like Mormonism and Scientology beat them both

Moses had a burning bush, auditory, visual, and hot wins the "God spoke to me!" debate.

Yeah, but the apostles had tactile too.

/Thomas was all like "oh no he di'nt"
//Jesus was all like "talk to the hand with the nail marks in it"


I guess they also had flames on their tongues. Talk about a hot way to teach a foreign language.

At least in Christianity, we let women in our book. Who gave birth to God? Who saw him get crucified? Who saw him risen first? That's right...he couldn't get a moments peace away from the nagging.
 
2008-01-15 11:29:04 AM  
purple helmet: I think the Quran was just a joke written by a bunch of Jewish pranksters.

Nah, that's Christianity.

Love,

Nietzche

/ecce that, homo
 
2008-01-15 11:29:41 AM  
I_C_Weener: Evil. Pure evil is the German. Well 90% evil, 10% beer.

i'm of german ancestry, and i support this message.
 
2008-01-15 11:29:59 AM  
SnakeLee: JMan_NC

Well duh. Of course Mohammad didn't write the Koran and Jesus didn't write the Bible. Everyone knows they were heroically and courageously penned by Brady Quinn.

You would have done some pretty amazing stuff too if you spent that much time on the bench


That's why he has the clipboard.
 
2008-01-15 11:30:36 AM  
I_C_Weener: kc987654: I_C_Weener: kc987654: czarangelus: Noexit: Just for fun I'm going to split a hair. Paul did meet Jesus. He was formally introduced on the Damascus road.

Which is different from Mohammad hearing voices in his head.... how?

Paul also saw a LIGHT. Visual and auditory hallucinations beat solely auditory hallucinations.

/of course deliberate cons like Mormonism and Scientology beat them both

Moses had a burning bush, auditory, visual, and hot wins the "God spoke to me!" debate.

Yeah, but the apostles had tactile too.

/Thomas was all like "oh no he di'nt"
//Jesus was all like "talk to the hand with the nail marks in it"

I guess they also had flames on their tongues. Talk about a hot way to teach a foreign language.

At least in Christianity, we let women in our book. Who gave birth to God? Who saw him get crucified? Who saw him risen first? That's right...he couldn't get a moments peace away from the nagging.


Yeah, but there are female gods in the satanic verses.

Disavowed, admittedly.
 
2008-01-15 11:31:32 AM  
Beatle_Matt: Fundies aside....this matters why?

Are you suggesting that something posted on Fark may, in some way, be Not News?
 
2008-01-15 11:32:02 AM  
The Bible wasn't written by Jesus, but by unknown authors at least dozens of years after the fact.

Heck more than half were written before Jesus, which is pretty impressive when you think about it.

Many books in the New Testament were written by people who'd never even met Jesus (John of Patmos, Paul.)

Paul was the one who always got me. I mean, he wrote a lot of stuff, and if he was a big-time rabbi, I never got why he would suddenly switch teams unless something pretty impressive got his attention.
 
2008-01-15 11:32:02 AM  
fireclown: Most serious scholars will admit that the gospels were the result of collaboration and some post editing. Getting into the details of THAT will end up in some needless flaming irrelevant to this thread.

If you know that then why did you make the false claim that they were written by the apostles?
 
2008-01-15 11:32:34 AM  
MorrisBird: How does one confuse virgins with raisins?

img116.imageshack.us
 
2008-01-15 11:32:47 AM  
I_C_Weener: At least in Christianity, we let women in our book. Who gave birth to God? Who saw him get crucified? Who saw him risen first? That's right...he couldn't get a moments peace away from the nagging.

Mary (mother of Jesus Mary) is also mentioned in the Qur'an.

Not that the two accounts of the character are the same (people who have either not read the Qur'an or the Bible often blindly assert that they are essentially the same because they are vaguely aware that many of the same characters appear), but she's in there.
 
2008-01-15 11:33:11 AM  
JammerJim: I never got why he would suddenly switch teams unless something pretty impressive got his attention.

Someone
 
2008-01-15 11:33:30 AM  
Dear Jesus, Please come back soon.

P.S. Bring fire.
 
2008-01-15 11:34:13 AM  
kisdm001: wanted for questioning

How come when this episode originally aired in July 2001 it didn't draw the same ire for depicting Muhammad as it did when it reaired in 2006 after the whole incident with the cartoonist? Link (new window) What makes it ok before and not so much afterwards?

/sorry to link to wikipedia
//end threadjack
 
2008-01-15 11:34:13 AM  
Nobody picks a fight like the Germans....Nobody.
 
2008-01-15 11:34:13 AM  
It's times like these that I'm glad I base my religion on Chilton's Repair Manuals and the Joy of Cooking. If you HAVE to use a book, at least make sure it's practical
 
2008-01-15 11:35:08 AM  
Never read the Koran but typical religious texts have cleverly worded phrases about discounting those who do not have faith and false prophets and such.

Allowing a self referencing loop hole to continue to believe. Doesn't matter anyways... people are emotionally tied to the idea of religion all over the world. No rationalized reasonable facts will sway anyone's mind who wouldn't already be swayed at some point down the line.
 
2008-01-15 11:37:13 AM  
Jesus refers to a book that isn't in the Bible in which Jesus refers to a book that isn't in the Bible in which Jesus refers to a book...I'm getting dizzy.
 
2008-01-15 11:37:19 AM  
Captain Darling: -1. That statement is not an endorsement of Christianity.

-10,958,441.3e132

I suppose you called the author up and asked him, eh? On the surface, yes, that entire paragraph appears to be an endorsement of Xtianity. Without the author hear to clear it up, though, we can argue implied meanings until we're both blue in the face, and neither of us will be right.

The way I see it, the article lost all sense of objectivity on or around that point. Period.
 
2008-01-15 11:38:23 AM  
wmoonfox: TFA: No one is going to produce proof that Jesus Christ did not rise from the grave three days after the Crucifixion, of course.

Of course.

That's about as far as I got, so I can't comment on the rest of the article... but I'm going to assume it's all about as objective as this little gem, and not waste my time.


You really should to have read the next sentence, dumbass. I mean, literally, the very next sentence.
 
2008-01-15 11:39:02 AM  
Captain Darling: I_C_Weener: At least in Christianity, we let women in our book. Who gave birth to God? Who saw him get crucified? Who saw him risen first? That's right...he couldn't get a moments peace away from the nagging.

Mary (mother of Jesus Mary) is also mentioned in the Qur'an.

Not that the two accounts of the character are the same (people who have either not read the Qur'an or the Bible often blindly assert that they are essentially the same because they are vaguely aware that many of the same characters appear), but she's in there.


But the Pope labeled Mary Magdalene a whore. Because she was Jesus' number two.
 
2008-01-15 11:39:06 AM  
i applauded them for taking on scientology.. this might be a little over the line, but we'll see how it turns out.
 
2008-01-15 11:40:13 AM  
Well, Marlowe couldn't get Doctor Faustus right the first time. Goethe had to rewrite it for him. So, I am not surprised by this.
 
2008-01-15 11:41:08 AM  
betasp: fireclown

That is the way I understand it. The Koran is closer to the Book or Mormon than the Bible.


Not really. Assuming you believe in it as a true scripture, the Book of Mormon was written by a number of people over the course of a millenium, collected up and buried by Mormon somewhere around 400 a.d., and then translated by Joseph Smith with God's assistance. So while there are a few places where God speaks directly in it, it's not supposed to be the verbatim word of God throughout.
 
2008-01-15 11:41:21 AM  

But the Pope labeled Mary Magdalene a whore. Because she was Jesus' number two.


Now, now...No reason for potty talk.

//Hiiidy Ho!
 
2008-01-15 11:41:25 AM  
The muslims fell for the ole Hassan al-Bannana in the tailpipe.

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2008-01-15 11:41:50 AM  
WishX: And here we all thought Bush would wind up starting WW3. Who knew?

Dude, of course the Germans have to be involved in starting the world wars. It's traddition.
 
2008-01-15 11:42:04 AM  
JDAT: JammerJim: I never got why he would suddenly switch teams unless something pretty impressive got his attention.

Someone


Epilepsy is the reason why Rome became Christian. Here, try it:

i38.photobucket.com

Have you seen God yet?
 
2008-01-15 11:43:12 AM  
whconner4: Islamotards.


I prefer 'Koranimals' myself.
 
2008-01-15 11:43:23 AM  
Islam Godwins itself...

www.thepeoplescube.com
 
2008-01-15 11:43:27 AM  
What's the best thing about 72 year old virgins?

/wait, how's the joke go?
 
2008-01-15 11:43:46 AM  
I wonder how many American flags will be burned over this?
 
2008-01-15 11:44:03 AM  
HansensDisease: If you know that then why did you make the false claim that they were written by the apostles?

Tell me if this sounds like a phone hanging up.
 
2008-01-15 11:45:04 AM  
Wolfmanjames: whconner4: Islamotards.


I prefer 'Koranimals' myself.


Yeah, they definately made it easier to match clothes as a kid.
 
2008-01-15 11:46:27 AM  
JammerJim: Paul was the one who always got me. I mean, he wrote a lot of stuff, and if he was a big-time rabbi, I never got why he would suddenly switch teams unless something pretty impressive got his attention.

Heh heh, that was not the only time Paul played for the "other team." Just ask Timothy

kc987654: I_C_Weener: kc987654: I_C_Weener: kc987654: czarangelus: Noexit: Just for fun I'm going to split a hair. Paul did meet Jesus. He was formally introduced on the Damascus road.

Which is different from Mohammad hearing voices in his head.... how?

Paul also saw a LIGHT. Visual and auditory hallucinations beat solely auditory hallucinations.


Paul suffered from epilepsy.

Yes, xianity is based on a brain defect.
 
2008-01-15 11:46:55 AM  
kc987654: /Thomas was all like "oh no he di'nt"
//Jesus was all like "talk to the hand with the nail marks in it"


Read all about it in the forthcoming "BEST. BIBLE. EVAR." edition of the Holy Bible.
 
2008-01-15 11:48:38 AM  
Xenu's Giant Pink Replicock

What's the best thing about 72 seventy two year old virgins?

There's seventy of them?
 
2008-01-15 11:49:04 AM  
Trance354: TIASAQuick! Someone post the "I like where this thread is going" ship!

uh, no, please don't, not till this thread is Godwined, please. Meanwhile,

I can has caturday-esque burning american flag burning muslims taken from the wrong time to inflame americans after 9/11?

/flame on


Oh hai!
aycu03.webshots.com
 
2008-01-15 11:51:15 AM  
img265.imageshack.us
 
2008-01-15 11:52:09 AM  
I_C_Weener:

Evil. Pure evil is the German. Well 90% evil, 10% beer.


They've got be at least 7.5% Bratwurst.
 
2008-01-15 11:52:14 AM  
Don't say it's so!

Next you'll be telling me that the Bible isn't the exact word of god and is actually a man made concotion of various manuscripts from several centuries after christ.
 
2008-01-15 11:52:34 AM  
I will now read from Paul's letter to the Corinthians.

hmmm mmmm mmm (clears throat)

Dear Corinthians, how are you?......


/old SCTV skit
 
2008-01-15 11:52:57 AM  
Xenu's Giant Pink Replicock: What's the best thing about 72 year old virgins?

You get 72 of them?
 
2008-01-15 11:53:16 AM  
wowzer97pooh: Captain Darling: I_C_Weener: At least in Christianity, we let women in our book. Who gave birth to God? Who saw him get crucified? Who saw him risen first? That's right...he couldn't get a moments peace away from the nagging.

Mary (mother of Jesus Mary) is also mentioned in the Qur'an.

Not that the two accounts of the character are the same (people who have either not read the Qur'an or the Bible often blindly assert that they are essentially the same because they are vaguely aware that many of the same characters appear), but she's in there.

But the Pope labeled Mary Magdalene a whore. Because she was Jesus' number two.


Are you saying Jesus went 5 hole on Mary Magdalene?

/he shoots, he scores!
 
2008-01-15 11:53:57 AM  
Pocket Ninja: Eat More Possum: just how many educated fishermen were hanging out in Israel 2000 years ago?

You don't need to be educated when God is writing through you.


Facilitated Communication!

No need to understand what you are writing when you are just a vessel for the guide.
 
2008-01-15 11:54:20 AM  
MorrisBird
Raisins? Raisins?!? How does one confuse virgins with raisins?

I have heard about the 72 virgins confusion before, though never with raisins, but always with dates[LGT GIS for "date fruit"].
Which makes sense since those fruits have always been a very important food in the Middle East and Africa.

So you can get that confusion even in Eglish (which is why I included the GIS link):
"Blow up some infidels and 72 fresh and untouched dates will be waiting for you!"
 
2008-01-15 11:55:52 AM  
Ah, those wonderful Germans ! You can always count on the Germans to start a world war.

But, who said that killing for peace is like farcking for virginity?

My bet is that the Flying Spaghetti Monster will take out both Jeebus and Muhammed in a round robin wrestling tournament.Either that, or the glass parking lot crowd will level the playing field.

Ramen !

now, where's me vodak ?
 
2008-01-15 11:56:02 AM  
The Voice of Doom: Blow up some infidels and 72 fresh and untouched dates will be waiting for you!

damn, i've had more than my share of untouched dates in this life.
i don't need any more of those...
 
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