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2008-01-10 07:04:04 PM  
Finger51: Personally? I'd rather be shot. Did you hear the wooshing sound? It was my point going over your head.

///why does hating zoos make me 'granola'? Why does rain make you wet?
 
2008-01-10 07:05:01 PM  
The meat should be tender after grilling, as shown in the following photo:

farm1.static.flickr.com

Delicious!
 
2008-01-10 07:06:19 PM  
It seems appropriate to do a necropsy on a giraffe, instead of an autopsy, don'tcha think?
 
2008-01-10 07:06:20 PM  
Herman Borrach: Valdes: Clearly, instead of imprisonment, the only humane method of treatment is the application of a light barbeque sauce, followed by approximately a half hour of grilling. Do not cook the giraffe steaks well done or you will lose the fatty flavor of this tender meat

Heh. I'm with you on this subject anyway.

Bravo.


do not cook ANY meat until well done...

That's not cooking, its burning.

/the fine lines, they cut so deep
 
2008-01-10 07:06:48 PM  
i68.photobucket.com

Oh, Valdes, I heart you so hard.
 
2008-01-10 07:07:05 PM  
Bonzo_1116:
Not every zoo is just warehousing the animals. Ask the California Condor and the Arabian Oryx.

/The San Diego Zoo even does work repopulating unpopular and non-photogenic species like lizards in the Caribbean.

okay, and how are these animals doing as a species? the condor was introduced back into the wild what, 30 years ago? Successful? Not really.

zoos are bullshiat.
 
2008-01-10 07:10:12 PM  
disgustip8ed:
/except panda's
//the retard of the Bear family.

I don't know, Sun Bears are pretty damn stupid also
 
2008-01-10 07:10:21 PM  
Valdes: The meat should be tender after grilling...


That's a brisket (breast) not a flank. I would never grill a brisket. What BBQ article are you taking this from?

/ visual tenderness?
 
2008-01-10 07:12:32 PM  
Valdes: The meat should be tender after grilling, as shown in the following photo:

Delicious!




Looks good to me! Got any side dishes to go with the steaks?
 
2008-01-10 07:13:11 PM  
Saw that giraffe plenty of times on trips to the SB zoo. Very sad. Or not. I can't see why people would go all Barbaro over some animal dying.
 
2008-01-10 07:13:27 PM  
ANGRY ASSHOLE: pleasuretaco: Yous guys are 'gettin trolled by a guy in a thread about a 'freakin giraffe. Post SFW female breasts now, plz.

No breasts, but still hot:


That looks.... difficult.
 
2008-01-10 07:14:26 PM  
anyone else kinda freaked out by giraffes...they give me the willies.
 
2008-01-10 07:15:12 PM  
Finger51:

okay, and how are these animals doing as a species? the condor was introduced back into the wild what, 30 years ago? Successful? Not really.

zoos are bullshiat.


The condors are laying eggs in the wild on both sides of the border now, and there's hundreds of oryx marching around Oman now...so many that people started poaching them again. The Sultan of Oman even set up a national park for them. That probably wouldn't have happened without reintroducing a big charismatic animal back into the wild there. It's even boosting their non-oil based economy, because wealthy people are vacationing there to go look at the oryx.

I'm sure you'd be all smiles if the last of the great apes croaked it in some shiatty little war in Africa, without a backup population working movies in LA.
 
2008-01-10 07:15:50 PM  
Gemina could see death coming around the corner.
 
2008-01-10 07:16:49 PM  
watox: Finger51: Personally? I'd rather be shot. Did you hear the wooshing sound? It was my point going over your head.

///why does hating zoos make me 'granola'? Why does rain make you wet?


pt. 1) well then please do enlighten me... seriously, I don't see a correlation.

pt. 2) huwhat?
 
2008-01-10 07:16:54 PM  
the argument that zoos protect endangered animals is total crap. No endangered animal that has ended up only being found in zoo populations has ever been returned successfully to the wild. Animals go extinct and die for a variety of reasons. The idea that zoos are going to stop that from happening is absurd.

Wrong. It has happened many many times. We've even bred (naturally and otherwise) wild female animals with captive male animals, and left the young with the mother. This works especially well in species that have communities (like Elephants) or where the father doesn't stick around in the wild anyway. What has also happened is that we've cured *diseases*, many of them either man-made or man-enhanced (like the global epidemic affecting frogs). The argument that maybe men just shouldn't interfere at all is stupid too; if those that are trying to help stop, do you think those that are hurting will stop too? Nope. They'll still be killed and skinned for their hides, dehorned for the ivory, or whatever else. Yes, "man" is doing the harm, but "man" in that sense is a plurality that includes even you. Individual "people" are helping.

Say there were 100 humans left on the planet and say Kang and Kodos came down to 'protect' us by putting us into cages or some other artificial environment for the spectacle/enjoyment of the other aliens- would (if you were 1 of the 100) you think they were doing humanity a great service?

I don't think cages are great, and I won't visit the regular San Diego Zoo. When the research was down at Balboa park still, most of the conservation vets were unhappy to be near things they wish didn't happen. But the Wild Animal Park is something else entirely, and is tremendously better than a typical zoo. Now that CRES is up at the WAP, folks are happier. Yeah, no one likes to see the cages.

That being said, there is a *tremendous* amount that goes on that has nothing to do with the displays. Heck, the last 20 times I've been to the WAP, I've not seen a single display...but I've still seen lots of endangered animals, enjoying themselves in things nothing like a cage.

Oh, and as a side note...if you don't think you're already caged, already a prisoner to a system, you're an idiot for that as well ;) You just accept that system.
 
2008-01-10 07:17:12 PM  
Badafuco: Got any side dishes to go with the steaks?

I had a killer recipe for condor egg salad with rhinoceros horn vinaigrette and baby seal tartar.
 
2008-01-10 07:17:19 PM  
I browse through Fark threads, only taking note of who said things when I see something I want to respond to. My thought while browsing here was "wow, there are a lot of bleeding hearts in the first few posts on this one." I thought I would be coming to see people sharing thoughts and memories about a giraffe I loved to drive up to visit!" But then I looked at who the posts were written by and realized it was just one name, quoting fairly inaccurate information about zoos.

From the Boobies, which is the only one I think is worth even bothering with.. this giraffe wasn't a monstrosity, created by the zoo. It was born a normal looking giraffe, but obviously had some birth defect that caused it's bones to grow funky. Otherwise, it was a normal, healthy giraffe who was accepted by other giraffes in the zoo. This wouldn't have happened if there was something monstrous about it, animals do not accept other animals who would cause the herd to be vulnerable in the wild.. maybe you should read up on that aspect of the animal kingdom before blaming the zoo for this deformity.

Also, if the zoo was at fault, wouldn't there be more giraffes with the same or similar defects? They're all fed the same foods, treated the same ways, so you should see some repetition of this deformity throughout the zoo system. Yet this is the only giraffe ever born in captivity with this particular defect. Odd, eh..

This giraffe lived for 21 years, a nice, fairly old age for a giraffe who probably otherwise would have died at a much younger age in the wild. Not due to the crooked neck, but due to predators and/or illnesses, just like any other wild giraffe.

She was the source of much curiosity from everyone who went to see her. She had a huge following of kids and adults alike who fell in love with her and got a kick out of watching her run around, or come and stick her long tongue out to take food from visitors. My daughter wanted to learn more and more about this giraffe after visiting her and is now on the path to becoming a veterinarian or some other profession involving animals.. mostly from our visits to zoos, seeing educational shows on Animal Planet and our own family's menagerie of pets.

Flame on all you want, but zoos improve all the time, working with animal experts who try and duplicate living conditions to that of animals in the wild. While it's true that these animals aren't free, they were born captive and would die in the wild. Save your PETA crap for other PETA members.. no one else wants to hear the lies and half-truths you spew.
 
2008-01-10 07:18:54 PM  
IamAwake:

Wrong. It has happened many many times.

ok then, name the species that was previously endangered, then resurrected by a zoo or zoos and is no longer endangered. Take your time... just one.
 
2008-01-10 07:20:32 PM  
Agh!! I fed that giraffe giraffe nuggets for a bunch of summers when I was in junior high! Say it ain't so!
 
2008-01-10 07:22:08 PM  
spleef420: Badafuco: Got any side dishes to go with the steaks?

I had a killer recipe for condor egg salad with rhinoceros horn vinaigrette and baby seal tartar.


I'll bring the beer!
 
2008-01-10 07:24:36 PM  
Finger51 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-01-10 07:07:05 PM
okay, and how are these animals doing as a species? the condor was introduced back into the wild what, 30 years ago? Successful? Not really.

They're improving, actually. Not that I actually know (and have gone drinking with on several occasions) the extremely enthusiastic, intelligent researchers doing this very work. People that make next to nothing in $$, because the San Diego Zoological Society is an NPO with not nearly enough money to do what it would like to do. People that, if they wanted, could be normal vets and easily make 4 times as much, or human medical research scientists and make even more, yet instead choose to work in conservation research for less than even teachers.

Folks like my wife, who with 2 doctorates makes less than me, despite my not having anything better than a high school diploma. NHS from Cornell Vet School, not an easy thing...she could do anything she wanted. And she is - she's doing stuff you don't even know about (isolating a retrovirus to develop a treatment). Something that you wouldn't understand if she spent a year explaining it to you. Something that is completely, and totally, unrelated to the display of any animal, esp one in a cage.

zoos are bullshiat.

Some are nasty, but whats really bs is your logic.
 
2008-01-10 07:24:49 PM  
From the boobies.. gawd I love the filter here

=)
 
2008-01-10 07:27:53 PM  
How about the panda?

"The giant panda, long a symbol of the world's endangered species, is no longer threatened with extinction, according to China's foremost expert.

After a record 31 births in captivity this year, Zhang Hemin, the director of the China Research and Conservation Centre for the Giant Panda, in Wolong, Sichuan province, said breeding techniques had advanced to the point where cubs could be produced almost on demand."

Link (new window)
 
2008-01-10 07:30:18 PM  
IamAwake:
Oh, and as a side note...if you don't think you're already caged, already a prisoner to a system, you're an idiot for that as well ;) You just accept that system.


let's see, I've traveled to most continents at will. Eat what I like to eat whenever I want it. Mated with a wide variety of partners. If this planet is a cage then, yes. you are correct. I live in a cage. A cage the size of a planet. Why am I an idiot for thinking I don't live in a cage again? And when I say cage, this is what I'm talking about:
upload.wikimedia.org

What is the usual ranging area for say a giraffe? several hundred square miles (at least) I would imagine. Exactly how big is this zoological utopia in san diego you speak of?
 
2008-01-10 07:31:48 PM  
I would totally try panda meat.

Just Sayin'
 
2008-01-10 07:35:21 PM  
Finger51: the only flaw with your "ranging area" is that the only reason giraffes and other wild animals tend to roam is to be able to survive, finding food and water during the different seasons. If food was plentiful in one area, you bet they'd stay put and graze until they were fat and happy.

The picture you found from your google search doesn't represent the majority of modern zoo facilities. Try again.
 
2008-01-10 07:35:25 PM  
prickle27: I would totally try panda meat.

Just Sayin'


I bet it's greasy, but with a delicate flavor, due to their sedentary lifestyle and restricted diet.
 
2008-01-10 07:36:07 PM  
Cheft: How about the panda?

sorry, still endangered.

I guess the point I'd like to make is that all the super-duper folks that are working to save animals are just that, really super-duper!

All the stuff they do can be done without imprisoning animals. thanks, I'm out.
 
2008-01-10 07:38:59 PM  
Valdes: The fact of the matter is, when animals are held captive in zoos they're too often the victim of human mistake. And this recent incident with the giraffe is just one more example of that, and the giraffe paid for it with its life

Smithsonian:
"Life Span: Giraffes live up to 25 years in the wild and often longer at zoos."

This one lived to 21. With a weirded out neck, how long would she have lived in the wild? Coupla weeks, maybe.
 
2008-01-10 07:39:48 PM  
Beanlet: Finger51: the only flaw with your "ranging area" is that the only reason giraffes and other wild animals tend to roam is to be able to survive, finding food and water during the different seasons. If food was plentiful in one area, you bet they'd stay put and graze until they were fat and happy.

The picture you found from your google search doesn't represent the majority of modern zoo facilities. Try again.


interesting. so by that logic you wouldn't mind being held in some compound as long as you were fed and watered?
 
2008-01-10 07:39:53 PM  
pleasuretaco: Sorry, guys, I just found out where Valdes is getting his sources from.

You bastard.
Don't click that damn link!

/made mistake
//Task manager required
 
2008-01-10 07:39:59 PM  
aaaaaaaaaw this is sad :'(
 
2008-01-10 07:40:30 PM  
Oh! I saw this poor thing a number of times. Sad story.

/SB Zoo is a cute little place
 
2008-01-10 07:40:42 PM  
disgustip8ed:
/except panda's
//the retard of the Bear family.

also koala bears, which are retarded, ain't hard, are little biatches and aren't even real bears.
 
2008-01-10 07:41:47 PM  
pleasuretaco: Sorry, guys, I just found out where Valdes is getting his sources from.

You suck.
 
2008-01-10 07:42:31 PM  
Bonzo_1116:I bet it's greasy, but with a delicate flavor, due to their sedentary lifestyle and restricted diet.

Dude, panda veal!!!
 
2008-01-10 07:42:50 PM  
:(
 
2008-01-10 07:43:24 PM  
The following is a small list of the most delicious animals I've ever eaten. Please don't imprison them folks! Animals are for grilling, not imprisoning! Do not torture these fine creatures!

www.ac.wwu.edu
www.epa.gov
www.hickerphoto.com
www.sfu.ca
 
2008-01-10 07:43:56 PM  
farking hilarious. valdes just owned everyone in the thread. first by posting the most obvious troll bait and then making everyone stfu by posting that giraffe recipe and meat pic.

/thanks valdes
//made my day
 
2008-01-10 07:44:16 PM  
Lot of speciesists in this thread. You all fail.
 
2008-01-10 07:46:00 PM  
At the Virginia Zoo, 10 prairie dogs died when their tunnel collapsed,
That is far and away the funniest thing I've heard all week.
 
2008-01-10 07:46:28 PM  
Finger51

Say there were 100 humans left on the planet and say Kang and Kodos came down to 'protect' us by putting us into cages or some other artificial environment for the spectacle/enjoyment of the other aliens- would (if you were 1 of the 100) you think they were doing humanity a great service?

What's the Male:Female ratio of the other 99..?

/..and, are they hot?
 
2008-01-10 07:47:03 PM  
mistahtom ...That's hilarious!
 
2008-01-10 07:54:48 PM  
Snuke
needed to be done

So...enjoy your ban...
 
2008-01-10 07:55:34 PM  
brap: Gemina could see death coming around the corner.

Just one more reason I love brap...
 
2008-01-10 07:56:19 PM  
CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED:
What's the Male:Female ratio of the other 99..?

/..and, are they hot?


splinteredsunrise.files.wordpress.com
"ten females to each male, with the women selected for their sexual characteristics"
 
2008-01-10 07:59:16 PM  
Monkeys are gross...no really, they are. That being said, that's not the WAP. You fail.

Many species have already been listed. It has already been mentioned countless times that the display of animals is just one of many things that happens at many zoos (like the WAP, the National Zoo, and many other places). It has already been mentioned that extremely substantial conservation research, and treatment of animals in the wild, has occurred. What people are behind the return of the Mexican Grey Wolf in the wild? Folks like these, here in San Diego. And yes, the California Condors, that are now reviving (though they're still having problems, damn that lead...). WILD frogs across the world that a woman I know, that is waaay too hot to be in her mid 40s with 2 kids, went to Ecuador to do research on. Do I know of every single research project going on? No, but I do know that the two buildings at CRES have a lot of folks in them, and they're all doing conservation research of some sort. I also know that CRES isn't some bizarre freak of a place; lots and lots of other zoos are doing the same sort of things.

Yes, most zoos 60 years ago were just small cages for displaying animals. Yes, most zoos that are older still have throwbacks from that. Yes, many new, smaller zoos do nothing more than display animals. But when I've seen (as a semi-insider) a dolphin that was injured, mended up, and sent back to the ocean...by Seaworld of all places...I'm simply not going to be as short-sighted and ignorant about it as you.

Am I mentioning SD a lot? Well, it's where I live, and its the only conservation community I've had exposure to. My wife could list others, but she is actually in community herself, I'm just her husband ;)
 
2008-01-10 08:09:34 PM  
Finger51 [TotalFark] Quote 2008-01-10 07:36:07 PM
All the stuff they do can be done without imprisoning animals. thanks, I'm out.

No, it can't. Not reasonably, at least.

Your sitting there doing some research on a disease in Black Rhinos. You find yourself needing just 1 blood sample...so you get on a plane, fly to Africa, and get it? Sorry, that's stupid.

You also said you eat meat - factory farming to get you that meat is INSANELY horrific. You want to pretend to care about caged animals? Stop drinking dairy, so the veal industry will be too expensive to remain widely profitable. Yes, there's logic there...that you think anything you don't see or understand exists doesn't change the fact that it exists. When you leave the room, it does still exist...you know that, right? And rooms you've never been in...they exist too. You know that...right?
 
2008-01-10 08:11:00 PM  
Draskuul

One of my favorite songs, Carrot Juice is Murder by the Arrogant Worms


not for nothing, but . . .

Disgustip8ed by Tool

And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber.
And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest.
And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear.
And terror possesed me then.

And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots!
You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared,
"Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul!
Damn you!
Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen?
Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus.

Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on........

This is necessary.

It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch.
You looked up at your sky then.
That made blue be your color.
You had your knife there with you too.
When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes. Your hands were sticky.
You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was green. Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like this. You were already getting nervous again. Your head hurt and it rang when you stood up. Your head was almost empty. It always hurt you when you woke up like this.

You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to walk, waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you. You can see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it.
"If God is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin."
Why didn't anyone else understand these important things? You got to your car and tried all the doors. They were locked.
It was a red car and it was new. There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the seat.
Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by your woods.
You began to walk towards them. Now red was your color and, of course, those little people out there were yours too.



mmmmm . . . Tool
 
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