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(Boston Globe) NewsFlash Everyone but the Paulites are projecting John McCain the winner in New Hampshire   (boston.com) divider line 425
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2008-01-09 03:41:45 AM  
Harry Pooter: The more I read these newsletters, the sicker I get.

I know I've been very anti-Paul on Fark, but I hope this is all a hoax, because if not, Ron Paul could be charged with farking treason under Title 18 § 2385 for this little ditty, written a few months before the Oklahoma City bombing.


As offensive as that selection is, it is some of the milder stuff.

He is an official, card-carrying whack-bag and belongs at the controls of a pilfered shopping cart full of inoperative electronics and empty bottles, not our nations Government.
 
2008-01-09 04:18:59 AM  
Harry Pooter
And just for comparison's sake, here's Ron Paul's signature on a letter where he requests the very same sort of pork-barrel spending he has spent a lifetime railing against in Congress:

Uh, look closely. The signatures are different.
 
2008-01-09 04:27:39 AM  
Harry Pooter
The more I read these newsletters, the sicker I get.

I know I've been very anti-Paul on Fark, but I hope this is all a hoax, because if not, Ron Paul could be charged with farking treason under Title 18 § 2385 for this little ditty, written a few months before the Oklahoma City bombing.


So I guess under that logic the founding fathers should all be charged retroactively with treason, no?
 
2008-01-09 04:32:46 AM  
TheBlackFlag - He is an official, card-carrying whack-bag and belongs at the controls of a pilfered shopping cart full of inoperative electronics and empty bottles, not our nations Government.

I just spit Rold Gold Braided Pretzel Twist crumbs all over my keyboard.

/you had me at "inoperative electronics..."

(even if I didn't think libertarians were generally unrealistic, dogmatic, stuck-in-theory oddballs, and even if I DID agree with their philosophy, and even if I did think Ron Paul was the best thing since French's Spicy Brown Mustard (goes great with the pretzels) I could NEVER vote for him. We're wrapping up eight years of a man whose rabidly devoted followers think he's Jesus, and I'm not looking for a repeat any time soon.)
 
2008-01-09 05:15:49 AM  
TheBlackFlag: Harry Pooter: The more I read these newsletters, the sicker I get.

I know I've been very anti-Paul on Fark, but I hope this is all a hoax, because if not, Ron Paul could be charged with farking treason under Title 18 § 2385 for this little ditty, written a few months before the Oklahoma City bombing.

As offensive as that selection is, it is some of the milder stuff.

He is an official, card-carrying whack-bag and belongs at the controls of a pilfered shopping cart full of inoperative electronics and empty bottles, not our nations Government.


Yup. It's farking sad that he's even gotten as much support as he has from our electorate. People are stupid and easily fooled. Just wait a month or two and the Paulites will be relegated to their YouTube videos about 9/11, the new world order, and how RP actually "won" the primaries.
 
2008-01-09 06:13:05 AM  
machoprogrammer: is it me, or does it look like he crapped his pants in that picture?

What picture? All I see is Hillary.. gnawing at the bones of the nonbelievers.
 
2008-01-09 07:26:13 AM  
Steaming Cup of SARS: McCain needs to gtfo of American politics and defend his lawn from the comfort of a wooden rocking chair.

This.
 
2008-01-09 07:36:47 AM  
Ah, nothing soothes the nervous system quite like the sound of slaves singing songs in praise of their slavery.

War on Drugs? That's a thumbs up, boss!

Devalued currency? Please suh, can I has more?

Endless war or threats of war? That's OK by me, boss!

Abolish the IRS? Are you NUTS? How is the government going to pay Halliburton, or its "allies" in Iraq? Who's going to pay the FBI agents beavering away tapping your phone lines, or Guantanamo? These things cost money you know.

And what about your precious US dollar (MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) Where is your financial system now, Mortimer? It sho 'nuff done imploded.

But I'm sure the tanking dollar has NOTHING to do with Central Bank easy money policies or Government expenditures. A total coincidence, that.

/sadly, schadenfreude is not my cup of tea, so I will get little pleasure when you cry like a stuck pigs at the fruits of your leaders' economic expertise.
 
2008-01-09 07:47:03 AM  
Harry Pooter: The more I read these newsletters, the sicker I get.

I'm sorry, Schadenfreude was the word you were looking for. Schadenfreude.
 
2008-01-09 08:21:57 AM  
Crosshair

What we seem to disagree about is the Protectionism aspect of the isolationist definition (not that it should be in the def'n, but that Paul is a protectionist).

I feel that Paul's desire to pull us from free trade regions is protectionism. Without a NAFTA or FTAA matrix, all parties become free to raise tariffs and barriers to their hearts content. This is not free trade. In fact, in the segment I quoted, Dr. Paul contends that he supports stopping Mexican trucking companies from operating in the US. That, by itself, is a protectionist policy.

The problem is, he wishes to have full sovereignty, which is all well and good, but to do so, one must sacrifice any form of open markets. He is functionally advocating mercantilism, which is the utmost expression of a protectionist economic policy.

The WTO may be flawed, and we should not be party to the current incarnations of the ICC and UN, but this does not mean that they are bad ideas, or that they couldn't be implemented properly. Dr. Paul would disagree with that statement.

/Globalist and free trader
//Hell, subsidies are protectionist in my book
///Such as Dr. Paul's shrimp subsidies
 
2008-01-09 08:49:19 AM  
luidprand: Pretty much the entire thing is isolationist.

He's right tho, NAFTA is crap. It's done more to hurt our economy than anything other trade agreement in recent history. I don't see how it is isolationist if global trade agreements and organizations are not serving in the best interests of our country. The health of our nation is important.

NAFTA has hurt the American people. It has cost us more than 1 million jobs and has made corporations more concerned about the bottom line than the welfare of the worker. NAFTA has also failed for Cananda and Mexico as well. It is a busted agreement with no benefits. It serves no greater good for us or for our neighbors. It should be rescinded.

This is just for starters.
 
2008-01-09 10:07:56 AM  
Harry Pooter:

What's with all the pee stains on the pages?
 
2008-01-09 10:09:47 AM  
Eduardo Corrochio: Harry Pooter
The more I read these newsletters, the sicker I get.

I know I've been very anti-Paul on Fark, but I hope this is all a hoax, because if not, Ron Paul could be charged with farking treason under Title 18 § 2385 for this little ditty, written a few months before the Oklahoma City bombing.

So I guess under that logic the founding fathers should all be charged retroactively with treason, no?


If you asked the British (or the founding fathers) they WERE guilty of treason...against Britain
 
2008-01-09 10:16:34 AM  
veryequiped: Ron Paul is dead on isn't he!!! Amazing, thanks for that. OH ya, by the way...

WHERE ARE THE RACIST STATEMENTS YOU STOOGE! I WASTED MY TIME READING THINGS I ALREADY KNOW, BUT IT WAS MISSING THE RACIST STATEMENTS YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO THROW AT ME!!!!

By the way, thanks for alerting the general public, EVERY BIT OF THAT IS TRUE, AND AS A CONGRESS, HE IS PRIVY TO A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU OR I. I guess you shills aren't so bad, but I still think you're garbage.


whoa... so does the truth always come in all caps?

why is everyone paid for?

btw:

shill /ʃɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[shil] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Slang.
-noun
1.a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
2.a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
-verb (used without object)
3.to work as a shill: He shills for a large casino.
-verb (used with object)
4.to advertise or promote (a product) as or in the manner of a huckster; hustle: He was hired to shill a new TV show.


why are we shills? wouldn't this suit YOU a little more?
 
2008-01-09 11:37:23 AM  
cryptozoophiliac

That's about it. People seem to decry Paul as a nutbag, but then don't give a viable alternative to the status quo we have now.

Lewis Black is going to be right again. The majority of people are going to be voting between two bowls of sh*t.
 
2008-01-09 11:40:38 AM  
Eduardo Corrochio: Harry Pooter
And just for comparison's sake, here's Ron Paul's signature on a letter where he requests the very same sort of pork-barrel spending he has spent a lifetime railing against in Congress:

Uh, look closely. The signatures are different.


When comparing signatures, you don't necessarily check to see if they look the same, but rather if they appear to made by the same sequence of pen strokes. Keep in mind that the solicitation letter, if genuine, would've been typed up, mimeographed and then signed by the stack by Ron Paul, so his signature there may have been a bit rushed, which explains why Ron Paul's signature on the 2007 earmark request may have a slightly bubblier R and P. But those letters are made by the same strokes as in the solicitation letter. Further, the "aul" of "Paul" in both the solicitation letter and earmark request are almost identical, down to the slight downward slope of the letters and the trailing of the final L. Finally, given that the two signatures are likely separated by twenty years, the most recent of which would've been done by a man in his 70s, you can make a pretty solid case that they were both signed by the same person.
 
2008-01-09 11:52:51 AM  
mister aj: RON PAUL

"Doesn't believe in Evolution"

"Doesn't believe the Constitution calls for separation of Church and State"

/No thanks
 
2008-01-09 12:11:32 PM  
metaomni: Seriously... I still haven't figured out who would vote for Ron "I hate black people" Paul. The guy's a through-and-through racist, for farks sake.

NO!

Do you work for the National Review or what?

His Presidential campaign stance (new window) on racism.

His response to the machine (new window).

Guysmiley: mister aj: RON PAUL

"Doesn't believe in Evolution"

"Doesn't believe the Constitution calls for separation of Church and State"

/No thanks


why are people so vociferously wrong about who Ron Paul IS?

Do you all have to go around spouting what you've read, not looked further into, and hold onto as great truths?

Paul says he reserves judgement about evolution/creation, especially in a public role. He doesn't want the government in his religion nor his religion in our public system.

Get over hating on Paul, he's already lost (and I believe a third part run isn't on his to-do list). Right? But Rudy's still the frontrunner, right?

Mitt pretty much has the Nom. especially because he is getting like 60% of the $100k earners. How can the GOP say no to that?
 
2008-01-09 12:19:50 PM  
Harry Pooter: Eduardo Corrochio: Harry Pooter
And just for comparison's sake, here's Ron Paul's signature on a letter where he requests the very same sort of pork-barrel spending he has spent a lifetime railing against in Congress:

Uh, look closely. The signatures are different.

When comparing signatures, you don't necessarily check to see if they look the same, but rather if they appear to made by the same sequence of pen strokes. Keep in mind that the solicitation letter, if genuine, would've been typed up, mimeographed and then signed by the stack by Ron Paul, so his signature there may have been a bit rushed, which explains why Ron Paul's signature on the 2007 earmark request may have a slightly bubblier R and P. But those letters are made by the same strokes as in the solicitation letter. Further, the "aul" of "Paul" in both the solicitation letter and earmark request are almost identical, down to the slight downward slope of the letters and the trailing of the final L. Finally, given that the two signatures are likely separated by twenty years, the most recent of which would've been done by a man in his 70s, you can make a pretty solid case that they were both signed by the same person.


So the newsletter was signed (or rubber stamped) by Paul. Maybe he did read it, maybe he thought it was right, and then endorsed it. He claims he didn't write it. He denounces the generalization that it made.

Please stop saying "Gotcha!" and then not listening to the reasons you are wrong. You are playing into the same traps that my fellow Paul supporters often do.
 
2008-01-09 12:31:52 PM  
iawai: Mitt pretty much has the Nom. especially because he is getting like 60% of the $100k earners. How can the GOP say no to that?

If Mitt does not decisively win in Michigan, he is gone.

Crosshair: That's about it. People seem to decry Paul as a nutbag, but then don't give a viable alternative to the status quo we have now.

One has nothing to do with the other. The status quo, to use your wildly inaccurate term, may be preferable to some than to give the keys to the White House to this century's version of Emperor Norton.

Now that Rep Paul has finished 5th in IA and NH, has not managed to translate his copious campaign contributions into anything meaningful or memorable, and is decidedly against running as a 3rd Party or IND candidate, will he now just fade away?
 
2008-01-09 07:39:59 PM  

Handy FAQ sheet which covers the most common talking points:

http://ronpaulsurvivalreport.blogspot.com/2007/12/faq-ron-paul-and-his-racist- ne wsletter.html (new window)

1. The newsletter article was an isolated incident

2. Well, why haven't we seen more? Surely Ron Paul's enemies would use that against him!

3. This is an untrustworthy smear campaign, spread by usenet!

4. The Reporters who first covered Ron Paul's newsletter can't be trusted!

5. Ron Paul has a solid record that stretches 30 years!

6. Ron Paul's voting record is proof that he isn't racist!

7. But if Ron Paul was really a racist, then why don't we see more of that in his interviews?

8. Didn't you read "Government and Racism," by Ron Paul?

9. But Ron Paul said that racism is bad! Doesn't that disprove that he wrote the newsletter?

10. Those article war written by a ghostwriter!

11. Didn't you read what he said in Texas Monthly?

12. You can't prove that Ron Paul even read that article!

13. Ron Paul was a full-time Congressman and Doctor, he didn't have time to work on that newsletter.

14. The article wasn't written in Ron Paul's language, and it sounds nothing like him!

15. But I have a newspaper article where the writer says that he believes Ron Paul!

16. Ron Paul has suggested Walter Williams as his running mate, and Walter Williams is black!

17. The Ghostwriter was already fired. Case closed! What more could you ask for?
 
2008-01-09 07:46:59 PM  
iawai2008-01-09 12:19:50 PM

Paul says he reserves judgement about evolution/creation, especially in a public role.


Liar. Ron Paul flat out says that he doesn't accept the theory of evolution, after his own campaign people said otherwise. Here's the video (new window).

He doesn't want the government in his religion nor his religion in our public system.

Liar. Ron Paul's statement on facebook:

Official Campaign Message to Facebook Users:

Question: What role should the personal faith of a President play in his/her decision-making?

Ron Paul

Position: It should play a strong role

"Like the Founding Fathers, the core of my political philosophy is grounded in the knowledge that rights come from the Creator, not the government. Since rights do not come from the gov't, the gov't cannot violate those rights. Religion has a very important role to play in a limited gov't philosophy."


So the newsletter was signed (or rubber stamped) by Paul. Maybe he did read it, maybe he thought it was right, and then endorsed it. He claims he didn't write it. He denounces the generalization that it made.

And he only waited 5 years after the story first broke out for him to do that. Question: Why did it take him five years? When the newspapers first asked him about it in 1996, why did he defend the content? Why didn't he simply say, "I didn't write that?" and disavow himself of the content?

You can rationalize the newsletter all you want. But can you rationalize Ron Paul's own responses?
 
2008-01-09 11:53:47 PM  
iawai: So the newsletter was signed (or rubber stamped) by Paul. Maybe he did read it, maybe he thought it was right, and then endorsed it. He claims he didn't write it. He denounces the generalization that it made.

Does he denounce the generalizations that it continued to make, in the first person, for nearly a decade, in a newsletter that he was happy to pay for, that he was happy to lend his name, that he was happy to sign, that he was happy to write the occasional article for, and initially defended, but that he somehow -- mysteriously -- never even read?

You've extended the benefit of the doubt so far here it's close to shattering. Even if everything you and other Paul supporters maintain is 100% true, it points to a ragingly incompetent liar who is not fit to manage his own life, much less hold public office.
 
2008-01-10 02:27:03 AM  
Fark: where people come to support the defeat of Ron Paul even if it means that the Diebold machines have vastly different results than the real election.

Its ok to screw over Ron Paul and his "Paulites" here, only freedom, liberty and democracy in the constitutional republic is at stake.

If you are for Paul or against Paul, its sad to see so little outrage at the rigged polls.

Here is a picture from Harper's in 1871, a drawing by Thomas Nast on Boss Tweed:

www.bluetigerdems.com

Yeah, things have changed, haven't they.

You people (who don't believe there are serious issues with election fraud here) are morons. You will get the tyrannical piece of garbage broke ass dying Government you deserve for not defending your liberty.
 
2008-01-10 02:29:46 AM  
@ Guysmiley :

Yeah the other gun grabbing tax and spend war mongering hyper-inflationist candidates are so much better.

Thank you for being duped by identity politics. You are the easiest type of idiot to dupe with election fraud.
 
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