Lionel Mandrake: People who behave like BO are asses; people who admire people like him are some class of subhuman for whom I have not yet found a suitable term.

You must not have ever read one of his books. When he's not openly arguing with the god damn liberals, he actually has some pretty good advice for leading a better life. Unfortunately, he talks way too much about himself and also makes a lot of religiously-tinged points. There's nothing wrong with telling people to work hard, stay off drugs, and make good decisions.

h to the 'ojo: Matthew 5:43-5:45

43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.'
44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.


Your words do not hurt me, I will say a prayer for you tomorrow morning in church

I prefer Exodus 22:17: "You should not let a sorceress live."

/relevance? None.

Shaggy_C: Lionel Mandrake: People who behave like BO are asses; people who admire people like him are some class of subhuman for whom I have not yet found a suitable term.

You must not have ever read one of his books. When he's not openly arguing with the god damn liberals, he actually has some pretty good advice for leading a better life. Unfortunately, he talks way too much about himself and also makes a lot of religiously-tinged points. There's nothing wrong with telling people to work hard, stay off drugs, and make good decisions.

But that would infringe their human rights to drugs and welfare. Call the UN, Shaggy and O'Reilly are persecuting deadbeats everywhere

Lionel Mandrake: "I feel pretty...
oh so pretty..."

Where's the sun when you need it?!

h to the 'ojo: But that would infringe their human rights to drugs

Ever smoke pot, h? It's really not that bad. You should give it a shot before you criticize it from a position of ignorance.

mark12A: Keith Obermann rants just like O'Reilly, but because Keith comes across like a totally cool, hip, college upperclassman, Farkers worship the ground he walks on and EVERYTHING he says. [throws his papers, Farkers swoon, "how cool is dat!"]

Bill comes across like a stern father lecturing his idiot kids, and oh, how the Farkers seethe....

If Bill came out for beer, bacon and boobies, Farkers would still hate him.

I love how people who support Bill miss the fact that what angers people about him is that he is a fundamentally dishonest, self-important asshole.

It's got very little to do with 'cool'.

KrispyKringle: h to the 'ojo: But that would infringe their human rights to drugs

Ever smoke pot, h? It's really not that bad. You should give it a shot before you criticize it from a position of ignorance.

I'm a Libertarian. You can do whatever you want so long as I don't have to pay for it

h to the 'ojo: I have had Fox News on for most of the day and I haven't seen one story about this shoving incident.

There is nothing in the WSJ or even NYTimes online. Same for USA Today.

If you want my opinion of what happened:
- O'Reilly was doing a piece with Obama in the background shot
- This 6'8" thug staffer reached over line of SS agents (assigned to presidential candidates) and shoved O'Reilly ruining his entire piece
- O'Reilly called him low class, and moved a little further away to repeat the piece
- Obama makes a point of apologizing in person, a lawsuit could tie up his whole campaign after all
- The next morning Obama's campaign double-crossed Bill and 'leaks' a false story to ruin O'Reilly's case if he ever went public

Wow. How did the Sugar Bowl turn out in your world?

/Still hopin' for a UH upset.

h to the 'ojo: But that would infringe their human rights to drugs and welfare. Call the UN, Shaggy and O'Reilly are persecuting deadbeats everywhere

LOL...you should be free to make poor decisions and be a deadbeat, but that doesn't mean it should be encouraged.

h to the 'ojo: I'm a Libertarian. You can do whatever you want so long as I don't have to pay for it

So you do believe in a right to drugs. Cool. Guess we're in agreement.

Skleenar self-important asshole

This much I concede. He really is a pompous blowhard. Irrefutable.

Friction8r: This much I concede. He really is a pompous blowhard. Irrefutable.

And I will concede that Keith Olbermann truly has some sort of weird Edward R. Murrow fixation.


And I doubt it was because Murrow was a Coug, although that is not completely out of the picture. People tend to gravitate to excellence.

The Internet: The scary part is you can't tell real opinions from troll opinions

Confabulat: Basically, if you like Bill O'Reilly, you are admitting to the world that you have a very low IQ, and probably should not be trusted around small children.

Nah, O-Reilley fans are fine with kids.

Falafel, not so much.

h to the 'ojo: PizzaJedi81: You realize that the Colbert Report is satire and parody, right? Not actual news? Kinda like the Daily Show in that respect. Neither one is giving you ACTUAL reporting.

The Colbert report is an editorial/interview show similar to O'Reilly but a little younger (youtube contests, bear watch jokes), a few more jokes, and for the evening. O'Reilly is more like my dad's show while Colbert's is better aimed at me.

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My God... They DO exist!

I've been a registered Republican for the last twenty four years, and O'Reilly is a lying douche. Olberman is a self-righteous douche, but he actually uses things called 'facts' and 'research', though I don't always agree with his conclusions. And until the GOP stops pandering to the religious 'right' and advocating holy wars, I'll vote for the Dem candidate. Yes, even Hillary, if necessary(*shudder*).

/reasonable Republicans need to start our own party
//Goldwater-Miller in '08!
///why no FARK candidate?

Lionel Mandrake: After a guy calls a boycott on an entire nation (childish), claim it hurt their national economy (a lie), then cites as proof a journal that doesn't exist (LET ME REPEAT: a journal that doesn't exist), how can anyone take him seriously? That is but one of his many, many jerkoff moments.

Oh come on. Seriously, the guy is an entertainer. He's not a politician. It's like trying to hold David Letterman to the same standards as Hillary Clinton. Get off your high horse and see it for what it is.

h to the 'ojo: The Internet: The scary part is you can't tell real opinions from troll opinions

This. Though the "Colbert is serious commentary" bit should have been a giveaway. Damn, you were convincing though.

'least I saw through Friction8r.

I think I'm going to have to go back to trolling. You make it look so fun.

AnnoyingKidNextDoor: Any candidate that promises to deport Coulter and O'Reilly nuke Washington DC automatically gets my vote.

FTFY

Shaggy_C: Oh come on. Seriously, the guy is an entertainer. He's not a politician. It's like trying to hold David Letterman to the same standards as Hillary Clinton. Get off your high horse and see it for what it is.

I think that's a bit of a troubling exemption. It's a "news" show, ostensibly--maybe "infotainment" but still supposedly news. Do you imagine that when viewers see O'Reilly make what appears to be a factual claim, they say, "Well, it's an entertainment show, so he might be lying?" Sure, seeing O'Reilly lie isn't as shocking as seeing the Times lie, but is it more forgiveable?

In both cases, people are misled. The harm is the same. The fact that O'Reilly's audience should know better (not because it's entertainment but because he's a patent fraud) doesn't excuse him, does it?

BravadoGT: Maybe. Could this be an O'Reilly publicity stunt? Absolutely. Could an Obama worker have been farking with him and his cameraman? Of course. Both scenarios seem reasonable to me.

Since I'm sure most, if not all of the incident was caught on camera. I'll reserve judgment till I see it.

Of course, here on Fark-that's going to be a lonely position to take ;)

I'll take the same one. But that's just 2 of us :-\

/on with the flamewar

pedalphile: ///why no FARK candidate?

I nominate Jon Snow if we're being serious...otherwise I want to see an A_D/Czarangelus unity ticket.

PizzaJedi81: Hideously Gigantic Smurf: I can show you guys who still use "radical", "gnarly" and "grody".

To the max. :-)

Totally.

h to the 'ojo: There is nothing in the WSJ or even NYTimes online.

Oh c'mon! The conservative corporate media (like the NY Times) is obviously covering for O'Reilly. You can only get the REAL news from blogs.

Shaggy_C: pedalphile: ///why no FARK candidate?

I nominate Jon Snow if we're being serious...otherwise I want to see an A_D/Czarangelus unity ticket.

I could get behind that.

Lionel Mandrake: So you're denying that he has an impact? Doesn't he sell millions of books and have the number one show on cable? I keep hearing that. Yet he is purely entertainment with no influence? OK, dude.

I never said he doesn't have influence. What do you propose, hmm? That we start having the FCC control the press in this country? Limit speech only to be truly 'fair and balanced'?

KrispyKringle: In both cases, people are misled. The harm is the same. The fact that O'Reilly's audience should know better (not because it's entertainment but because he's a patent fraud) doesn't excuse him, does it?

Not at all; he should be called out for lies and looked upon with scorn. But to deride him over silly little things like calling for patents of other countries (per the original post I responded to) is just plain petty.

pedalphile: ///why no FARK candidate?

I thought that was the Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket.

Confabulat: Basically, if you like Bill O'Reilly, you are admitting to the world that you have a very low IQ, and probably should not be trusted around small children.

I trust you'll post your IQ score, as well as records of the aid/teaching/etc work you've done with children. :)

Shaggy_C: But to deride him over silly little things like calling for patents of other countries (per the original post I responded to) is just plain petty.

Er, you don't mean patents. You mean boycotts.

I certainly think his lying is more serious than his silly posturing, I agree with that. But he is--I can't believe I'm saying this--an opinion leader, at least for some.

And we do hold other entertainers responsible for what they say. When a stand-up comic--a stand-up comedian, not even a political commentator or talk show host!--derides black people (and isn't himself black), we denounce him.

In fact, I'm all in favor of loosening standards of "political correctness"--I think we should judge people on the content of they say, not some loose heuristic of whether it's offensive--but the content of what Bill O says is itself idiotic. And he should be judged for it.

/dunno where I'm going with this

Lionel Mandrake: "I feel pretty...
oh so pretty..."

LOL'd
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lajimi:

Where's the video link, anyway? I still can't find it.

Shaggy_C: Lionel Mandrake: People who behave like BO are asses; people who admire people like him are some class of subhuman for whom I have not yet found a suitable term.

You must not have ever read one of his books. When he's not openly arguing with the god damn liberals, he actually has some pretty good advice for leading a better life. Unfortunately, he talks way too much about himself and also makes a lot of religiously-tinged points. There's nothing wrong with telling people to work hard, stay off drugs, and make good decisions.

Ahh, you mean like when he sexually harasses his female staff?

The most notorious of these was a scenario in which they would be in the shower and he would massage her with a loofah, a scrubby sponge-but then, as he went on talking, he slipped up and referred to it as "the falafel thing," which is funny not only because the picture of smearing wet mashed chickpeas on someone's body is profoundly unerotic but also because the mistake seems to be a peculiar by-product of O'Reilly's suspicion of things non-American. That's why, for O'Reilly, "falafel" is a fighting word. (new window)

Yeah, now THAT'S how you make good decisions. Good Jorb.

Skleenar: pedalphile: ///why no FARK candidate?

I thought that was the Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket.

That would be freakin' awesome.

Based on the reports I've read it sounds like the Obama fans and staff were the jerks. Giving O'Reilly the finger when he walked in, intentionally standing in front of his cameraman, etc.

Really showing some class there. But what do you expect from people who get their news by watching Oprah.

Real curious how many people who are bashing Bill have actually taken the time to listen to his shows or are they getting the "Cliff Notes" version from other media outlets who edit and make Bill sound the way they want him to sound. He does make some good points on a variety of topics. And this is coming from a guy who has voted republican in the last 3 prez elections (yes, I too am ashamed of Bush now) and I am considering voting for Obama this year. Believe it or not.

Hat Madder: Based on the reports I've read it sounds like the Obama fans and staff were the jerks. Giving O'Reilly the finger when he walked in, intentionally standing in front of his cameraman, etc.

Are you kidding? Haven't you heard the garbage O'reilly has been spewing on his show about Obama?

/me neither. I could give a shiat what this moron thinks.

KrispyKringle: Er, you don't mean patents. You mean boycotts.



Damnit. Damnit. Damnit. Shaggy_C = shiat for brains.

Confabulat: Camp counselor for diabetic children for years.

Considering becoming a schoolteacher, just to see what it's like.

Touché sir :)

Though planning on being a schoolteacher is not the sort of thing you want to spend time on unless you're absolutely sure about it. The credential requirements keep going up and the pay sucks considering the amount of school you have to put in. Typically the district administrators give themselves fat raises and the teachers wind up spending their own money for classroom supplies.

/ex-Special Education aid from family with lots of teachers in it

Shaggy_C: Damnit. Damnit. Damnit. Shaggy_C = shiat for brains.

The very first thing you have posted on Fark that I could agree with. I feel so close to you now.

Lionel Mandrake: Nice tangent. Actually, I'm saying that lying sacks of shiat should be recognized as such.

Well, you'll get no argument from me there. I don't know what we're arguing then heh...I think I was just trying to point out that even though he is a pretty big douche, he does have at least a few redeeming qualities.

HowlingFrog: Skleenar: pedalphile: ///why no FARK candidate?

I thought that was the Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ticket.

I'm writing in Walken/Wheaton in '08!

The Greatest American Frampton: The very first thing you have posted on Fark that I could agree with. I feel so close to you now.

Awwww you're so sweet Frampy. To come out of the woodwork just for me :)