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(The Newspaper)   Virginia's speeding ticket tax didn't raise revenue and did raise highway deaths. Politicians debate whether that means the tax should be repealed or increased   (thenewspaper.com) divider line 74
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2008-01-05 09:47:08 AM
I would like to see every politician who voted for this fed to wolves. Dave Albo himself should be spared the wolf penalty, but should be dragged down I95 behind a diarrheatic donkeyand beaten at every rest stop by local voters wielding bamboo canes.
 
2008-01-05 09:59:27 AM
Pocket Ninja: I would like to see every politician who voted for this fed to wolves. Dave Albo himself should be spared the wolf penalty, but should be dragged down I95 behind a diarrheatic donkeyand beaten at every rest stop by local voters wielding bamboo canes.

I don't have a whole lot to add to that ;)
 
2008-01-05 10:01:09 AM
Pocket Ninja

Tell us how you really feel. Don't hold it back.
 
2008-01-05 10:36:19 AM
Pocket Ninja: Dave Albo himself should be spared the wolf penalty, but should be dragged down I95 behind a diarrheatic donkeyand beaten at every rest stop by local voters wielding bamboo canes.

Being part of the Fairfax bar, I have met Dave Albo several times. I agree wholeheartedly with this suggestion, and that's completely irrespective of his role in this legislation.
 
2008-01-05 10:37:35 AM
The real irony is that the most dangerous drivers are the out-of-state jackholes coming down I-95 and I-85 from New York and New Jersey.

I see some asswipe in a tricked out Civic slumped down in his seat, sitting on my back bumper, then pulling in front and slowing down, then taking off again at 90 mph, odds are that it's got a NY/NJ plate.
 
2008-01-05 11:37:08 AM
Came here to post rabble rabble, but I can't top Pocket Ninja.
 
2008-01-05 12:28:35 PM
Digital_Meltdown: Came here to post rabble rabble, but I can't top Pocket Ninja.

Yeah, I'm done too...that was a quick thread

/feels uncompleted
//postus uncompletus?
 
2008-01-05 12:30:40 PM
Pocket Ninja: I would like to see every politician who voted for this fed to wolves. Dave Albo himself should be spared the wolf penalty, but should be dragged down I95 behind a diarrheatic donkeyand beaten at every rest stop by local voters wielding bamboo canes.

I'm up for that.
 
2008-01-05 12:31:44 PM
The people saying this raised traffic deaths need a little lesson on correlation and causation. The easy solution to problems with speed laws is to mandate the punishment be some sort of torture instead of a fine. That way it's obviously not just a revenue generation scheme.
 
2008-01-05 12:31:48 PM
My guess is that the people of VA won't do a thing about it.
They certainly won't show up with pitchforks and torches, and
they'll certainly vote for the same guy they voted for last time because "he's a [insert political party here]"

Same thing would happen in any other stae
 
2008-01-05 12:34:04 PM
This law is Race-ist!
 
2008-01-05 12:34:28 PM
Speeding and reckless driving are dangerous activities that should carry a tough punishment. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 
2008-01-05 12:35:43 PM
Solution: Move to a part of VA where the cops don't give a shiat about traffic laws, like Albemarle County.
 
2008-01-05 12:36:13 PM
Shaggy_C: Speeding and reckless driving are dangerous activities that should carry a tough punishment. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

as inclined as i am to agree... 10mph over is a joke...
 
2008-01-05 12:36:32 PM
Won't somebody please think of the revenue children?


FTFM
 
2008-01-05 12:36:32 PM
Just watch yourself when you leave Albemarle and enter Greene county. Mostly through Ruckersville.
 
2008-01-05 12:37:42 PM
Bolling wrote that the public lost confidence in the program after learning that "less serious traffic offenses" were included and that the fees only applied to state residents.

Wat...you didn't read it before you supported it?
Putz.

The original architect of the abuser fees, state Delegate Dave Albo (R-Springfield), is lobbying to save the ticket tax. His proposal would expand the fees to include out-of-state drivers but eliminate them for certain minor infractions such as reckless failure to use a turn signal and speeding less than 25 MPH over the limit.

Considering that the main enforcement of this is suspension/revocation of the drivers license, how, exactly, do you propose to include out of state drivers?

Albo, a traffic lawyer, separately introduced legislation that would require anyone who fails to pay the abuser fee to be arrested, fingerprinted and photographed

For someone who doesn't live here? Yeah, right.

DIAF, Dave.
 
2008-01-05 12:39:41 PM
WiteBuddha: as inclined as i am to agree... 10mph over is a joke...

The 80 MPH anywhere provision is a little extreme, especially if you're going to allow your major highway to have a posted limit of 70. They should really put the 'reckless' label to 85 or lower the speed limit to 65. I think 15 over is a little more fair.
 
2008-01-05 12:39:43 PM
Wow. I guess they don't even feel the need to try to hide the fact that they are evil incarnate.
 
2008-01-05 12:42:55 PM
Shaggy_C: Speeding and reckless driving are dangerous activities that should carry a tough punishment.

Failure to use a turn signal should not be a $1000 fine.
80 in a 70 zone should not be a $3500 fine. On a lot of roads, 80 in a 70 is survival.
 
2008-01-05 12:44:42 PM
awfulperson: The real irony is that the most dangerous drivers are the out-of-state jackholes coming down I-95 and I-85 from New York and New Jersey.

I see some asswipe in a tricked out Civic slumped down in his seat, sitting on my back bumper, then pulling in front and slowing down, then taking off again at 90 mph, odds are that it's got a NY/NJ plate.


As an out-of-state jackhole originally from VA, I would urge the General Assembly to expand the fine schedule to include minor moving violations for VA residents.

Also, the law should be expanded to exempt all out-of-state drivers from all but the most serious moving violations -- DUI at .20, going twice the speed limit or 100mph, whichever is lower, etc.. Whatsamatta, Virginia? You wouldn't want to alienate us tourists, would you?

Or, conversely, Virginians can just vote out every single legislator who voted to discriminate against their own electorate.
 
2008-01-05 12:45:55 PM
www.theonion.com
 
2008-01-05 12:47:01 PM
7of7: The people saying this raised traffic deaths need a little lesson on correlation and causation. The easy solution to problems with speed laws is to mandate the punishment be some sort of torture instead of a fine. That way it's obviously not just a revenue generation scheme.

It can be. Three words- pay-per-view
 
2008-01-05 12:47:30 PM
This place is FULL of retarded rednecks, why is this a surprise?
 
2008-01-05 12:47:45 PM
The real irony is that the most dangerous drivers are the out-of-state jackholes coming down I-95 and I-85 from New York and New Jersey.

as one of those jackholes driving down from RI to NC, i have certainly hit 100mph on I-85.

/i can haz my own dumbass tag?
 
2008-01-05 12:48:38 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy: Failure to use a turn signal should not be a $1000 fine.
80 in a 70 zone should not be a $3500 fine. On a lot of roads, 80 in a 70 is survival.


An the fact that fines are imposed only to state residents underlines the notion that it is just another way of milking money out of people.
 
2008-01-05 12:48:55 PM
Virginia disclaimer:

Our lawmakers may be stupid, reckless, or otherwise dangerous. They may be mentally ill, criminally insane, drunk, using illegal drugs...
 
2008-01-05 12:49:39 PM
Ron Bennington: This place is FULL of retarded rednecks, why is this a surprise?

I reckon you must be one then if it is full of it, we have no room for the normal folks.
 
2008-01-05 12:50:19 PM
the ticket tax only generated $2.8 million in revenue -- far short of the initial projections.

That's why right there...not enough money being generated. Even if accidents were at an all time high, if the money was right they'd keep the tax.
 
2008-01-05 12:50:24 PM
Scott77: Virginia US disclaimer:

Our lawmakers may be stupid, reckless, or otherwise dangerous. They may be mentally ill, criminally insane, drunk, using illegal drugs...


Thank you, Cpt. Obvious. FTFY
 
2008-01-05 12:51:18 PM
Hey! Unfair and harsh laws are only suppose to apply to the poor and minorities!
 
2008-01-05 12:52:37 PM
Oh Virginia, I thank god everyday I no loner have to drive through that state. Of course I am much more fortunate in the way that I never had to live there.
 
2008-01-05 12:52:45 PM
I drive fast. Not unsafe, but fast. I get tickets a few times a year. Do you know how many points I have, and speeding tickets I have paid in the last 10 years? 1 ticket for 2 points, only because it was an ohio ticket and I sure as hell wasn't going to travel all the ways to ohio to fight a 100 dollar ticket.

Here is a little secret. It is VERY easy to beat a speeding ticket if you have a little time to throw at it. Get court dates shuffled around, stuff postponed, etc, and you can easily strech it out to a year. All you have to do is get the cards to line up once, and the cop not be available that day, and you are off scott free. Plus many places aren't very good on keeping stuff (cops, radar guns) certified, or having the paperwork handy, which can also get you off. If you become a big enough pain in the ass, they pretty much just let you go because its not worth the effort they are putting into it to get the small fine from you. And this is just me doing it, without any legal background or whatever. I'm sure for a lawyer its 10x easier. You know how most places will knock the ticket down a level if you just go in and talk to the prosecutor? They will do it again if you start wasting their time. The key is to do it, without looking like you are being a dick about it.

Just as an example, I got pegged for 101 in a 65 back this summer. I settled with them a few weeks ago for "careless driving". 105 dollar fine, no points. Granted that was an extreme, and I really did deserve to get slapped for that one, but it was an open straight highway, fine conditions, no traffic, and a safe speed for my car. Not exactly worthy of a 3 thousand dollar fine or whatever. Hell, DUI people get off easier than that.

When you start talking about fines upwards of 1k, I'd be willing to bet most people would be lawyering up, and the lawyers would be beating a substanial number of these tickets, or tying up the court for so long that more money was spent prosecuting the speeder than they recovered in fines.
 
2008-01-05 12:53:15 PM
utter_bastard: Just watch yourself when you leave Albemarle and enter Greene county. Mostly through Ruckersville.

I love watching people blow by me right as the speed limit drops to 45 in Ruckersville, there's almost always a cop sitting in that little bank on the right side of the road or at the car dealership up the road a ways.

I slow down, they keep flying by...
 
2008-01-05 12:58:36 PM
AntiNorm: Solution: Move to a part of VA where the cops don't give a shiat about traffic laws, like Albemarle County.

Yeah, just make sure you stay the fark out of York County though.
 
2008-01-05 01:02:00 PM
Hal5423: AntiNorm: Solution: Move to a part of VA where the cops don't give a shiat about traffic laws, like Albemarle County.

Yeah, just make sure you stay the fark out of York County though.


Well, in Albemarle county the cops will still bust you, but they don't obey the laws themselves...that's fo' sho'.
 
2008-01-05 01:04:18 PM
I'd like to know why revenue is lower than expected. Could it be that the threat of these fines has deterred people from driving like idiots? If so, then the legislation has done it's job (not that I agree with it, but it may work.)

Or, could the cops be using their discretion wisely? I know a whole bunch of you think that cops only exist to bust your balls, but they actually try to help people out from time to time. For example, in Connecticut we recently banned hand-held phones while driving with a $100 fine for violations. Many police officers have refused to write the tickets, opting instead to pull the motorist over and give a verbal warning. It seems the officers feel that $100 is a pretty steep fine for such a minor violation. Is it possible that these Virginia officers feel that these fines are outrageous and therefore write a ticket for 78 in a 70 instead of 82 in a 70? Hell, I'd get out and kiss the cop if he said "Look, you were doing 82 in a 70, and I could write you a ticket for $1050, but I'm gonna say you were doing 78, which carries a $200 fine."
 
2008-01-05 01:04:27 PM
I wish every politician involved in this and every corrupt judge who didn't throw this Unconstitutional fines out would DIAF.
 
2008-01-05 01:07:53 PM
The only issue I see is that it only affects state residents.

Speeding is a joke--- and fines in the US are generally dirt cheap. The govt. should either eliminate speed limits, or actually enforce laws and penalize offenders.

I still don't understand why out of state speeders are handled any differently. Are they safer speeders?
 
2008-01-05 01:14:51 PM
Here is the author of the bill with an article from last summer. Do we have any tar and feathers left?

www.global-air.com
 
2008-01-05 01:21:24 PM
I drive 55 mph in the right lane just to piss people off. Plus I save on gas.
 
2008-01-05 01:22:17 PM
Shaggy_C: Speeding and reckless driving are dangerous activities that should carry a tough punishment. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

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2008-01-05 01:31:58 PM
It's idiots like LineNoise why, as a Virginia resident, I'm all for huge fines on people who speed WAY above the speed limit. I regularly travel right at 10 mph over the speed limit, and I'm usually getting passed — even by cops. I love traveling at a "slow" speed on U.S. 29 (i.e. a few miles over the speed limit), have some prick pass me like I'm standing still, only to meet up with them at the next stop light. Guess what, Farkers, remember what your driving instructor said, driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.
 
2008-01-05 01:37:47 PM
Catsaregreen

There are plenty of locations around the state where the road/traffic dictates your speed. Spots on 64 East toward Charlottesville are a prime example, often sending me above 80 mph. I know what you're saying but sometimes you've gotta fly to live.
 
2008-01-05 01:38:30 PM
LineNoise: When you start talking about fines upwards of 1k, I'd be willing to bet most people would be lawyering up...

"The original architect of the abuser fees, state Delegate Dave Albo (R-Springfield), is lobbying to save the ticket tax. Albo, a traffic lawyer, separately introduced legislation that would require anyone who fails to pay the abuser fee to be arrested, fingerprinted and photographed."

Hole in one. Here you see the reason behind the law.
 
2008-01-05 01:39:50 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy


Considering that the main enforcement of this is suspension/revocation of the drivers license, how, exactly, do you propose to include out of state drivers?


If the goal was safety, then they might have actually revoked licenses instead of just charging someone $2400 for going 75.

(a speed at which you are likely to be passed)
 
2008-01-05 01:39:56 PM
jsmilky: I drive 55 mph in the right lane just to piss people off. Plus I save on gas.

Oh, so that's you then. I'll wave to you when I run you into the ditch.

/If they want more revenue, they should tax all foreigners living in other countries.
 
2008-01-05 01:56:29 PM
jsmilky 2008-01-05 01:21:24 PM
I drive 55 mph in the right lane just to piss people off. Plus I save on gas.

What are you talking about? Slower traffic is supposed to keep right. I know there are some dumbasses out there who think that slow traffic is supposed to be in the left lane. Otherwise, I would be a much happier person on my commute. Couldn't we get a 2000 dollar fine for driving below the posted limit in the left lane?
 
2008-01-05 01:59:12 PM
Politicians aren't going against this because revenue isn't what they projected, they're lining up against it because they can smell the hot tar and feathers being stirred up.
 
2008-01-05 02:23:04 PM
They should make separate speed limits for each lane, and have the right lane's max be the left lane's min.

jsmilky: I drive 55 mph in the right lane just to piss people off. Plus I save on gas.

I ride a bike in the right lane. People love that shiat, and I save even more money on gas.
 
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