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(Boston Globe)   Governor hopes to bring casinos to Massachusetts by spending so much money that only gambling revenue can prevent a budget deficit   ( boston.com) divider line
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2008-01-03 10:46:04 AM  
pandabear: In Cambridge, MA, for example, they have Christmas decorations, twinkly lights that they hang over the streets in the early winter, but they never call them that.

It's so they can trick all the jews, muslims, and atheists into using their tax money to put up Christmas decorations but all us Christians actually are in on the plot, stop trying to ruin it for everyone us!
 
2008-01-03 10:52:11 AM  
I'll still drive to Connecticut if I feel like gambling.

/Not giving one more damn dime to that den of thieves.
 
2008-01-03 10:52:29 AM  
Debeo Summa Credo: Umm, I'm on your side in this argument but which school taught you the difference between are/our?

The school that taught me that while farking at work, brevity in creating my message trumps proper spelling.

/didn't attend school in MA
 
2008-01-03 10:55:58 AM  
Smarshmallow: But you're right, you do have nice weather, you must be proud of that accomplishment.

In fact, the weather is so nice, the federal taxpayers have to help rebuild EVERY TIME a hurricane passes over America's wang.
 
2008-01-03 10:57:54 AM  
pandabear:
In Cambridge, MA, for example, they have Christmas decorations, twinkly lights that they hang over the streets in the early winter, but they never call them that. These lights show dancing figures. Holly, evergreen trees, menorahs, Santas, candy canes and anything else that anyone has ever objected to are left off. Camtabridgians do not believe in freedom of religion, they believe in freedom from religion--which I think is just as religious as anything else.

How about just leaving people alone, as long as they don't do it in the street and scare the horses?


Uh, I know I saw lots of "Holly, evergreen trees, menorahs, Santas, candy canes..." that people put up all over the place in Cambridge. Not to mention Nativity scenes and statues of Mary etc etc.

OHHH, you meant the ones that the city put up. The ones that had no religious content and just celebrated the general season. It sure sounded like you were saying that Cambridge was banning any sort of religious display.

Nah, they let people alone to do what they want. As long as they don't do it in the street to scare the horses.
 
2008-01-03 11:00:57 AM  
Anybody who thinks this is a good idea is a moran. Your government is encouraging destructive behavior for the personal profit of the legislators. Gambling is so obviously descructive, that it was a felony until they made it a profit center.

In 10 years, they'll be talking about selling kids heroine just so they won't have to control spending.
 
2008-01-03 11:04:43 AM  
BlarneyMiller: Hey, the plan has worked in Maryland. Between two governors (Hair Helmet (R) and Pretty Boy (D)), we've buried ourself in a hole of their own making. Now we face a November referendum titled "Slots and Casinos, Or Else".

Worse, folks like me really like the idea of slots, table games and full casinos. They're fun. But I don't like being force fed this bullshiat about its necessity for the state's budget.


I only hope that I'll have that much hair by the time I turn 50.

I'm for slots and casinos too. One of my ideas is to have something similar to riverboat casinos, except on the Chesapeake.
 
2008-01-03 11:07:59 AM  
DUDE DUDE JUST PUT TOM BRADY IN THERE HE CAN FIX EVERYTHING BWAHAHAHA! GO SOXXXXXX!!!!
 
2008-01-03 11:08:19 AM  
moops:
Yet housing prices are sky high because everyone wants to live here. And don't forget are good public schools and many universities. Oh, and our pesky sports teams won't stop winning...it's so awful here.


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2008-01-03 11:13:18 AM  
Anybody who thinks this is a good idea is a moran. Your government is encouraging destructive behavior for the personal profit of the legislators. Gambling is so obviously descructive, that it was a felony until they made it a profit center.

In 10 years, they'll be talking about selling kids heroine just so they won't have to control spending.


I'm a libertarian. I love the idea of state sponsered gambling, because people are doing it anyways! This will just take money AWAY from criminals, and put it into the government.

I think we should be selling heroin NOW!

/end the war on drugs.
 
2008-01-03 11:24:06 AM  
what_now: Anybody who thinks this is a good idea is a moran. Your government is encouraging destructive behavior for the personal profit of the legislators. Gambling is so obviously descructive, that it was a felony until they made it a profit center.

In 10 years, they'll be talking about selling kids heroine just so they won't have to control spending.

I'm a libertarian. I love the idea of state sponsered gambling, because people are doing it anyways! This will just take money AWAY from criminals, and put it into the government.

I think we should be selling heroin NOW!

/end the war on drugs.


If you are a Libertarian, I would suggest that you be warry of the Gov't finding new ways to enslave people. I would approve of legalize heroine before I would approve of The Government selling heroine.

MA is a shiat hole state, with one of the lowest standards of living in America (and the only state with stagnant population growth -count your congressmen) because of a run away, corrupt Gov't. The fact that the Gov't is going to expand into gambling, heroine, prostitution and murder for hire is not good news.
 
2008-01-03 11:25:36 AM  
MA is a shiat hole state, with one of the lowest standards of living in America

wait...what????

Are you...joking? I live here. I live quite well. I've been to West Virginia, Florida and Missouri. I live a lot better than those people.

I have shoes.
 
2008-01-03 11:28:27 AM  
I love the contradiction. The conservatives are always yapping about smaller gov't, less regulation. If people want to burn their money why should the state not wet its beak. These casinos would create jobs in places like Palmer. What? Never heard of Palmer? Exactly. It would not be the end of the world.

The problem is that some people in other states think we look down our noses at them. And we do.
 
2008-01-03 11:34:49 AM  
what_now: MA is a shiat hole state, with one of the lowest standards of living in America

wait...what????

Are you...joking? I live here. I live quite well. I've been to West Virginia, Florida and Missouri. I live a lot better than those people.

I have shoes.


Uh, no you don't. You live much, much, much, much worse. You have the lowest standard of living in America.

A $200,000 home in Boston is a 1100 square foot hovel in a high tax location. A $200,000 home in Dallas is a 3500 s.f. McMansion with a pool.

Go look at Remax.com or some sight, and you'll get an idea of just how completely your liberal State Government has reamed you.

I've worked in NY and MA, and (speaking generally about the Middle Class living standards) you are the poorest people in America.

Sorry, better luck waits you when you move. Do like your neighbors and vote with a moving van.
 
2008-01-03 11:36:28 AM  
alex_dularge: . The fact that the Gov't is going to expand into gambling, heroine, prostitution and murder for hire is not good news.

4/10 - needed a snappier ending
 
2008-01-03 11:45:12 AM  
alex_dularge: what_now: MA is a shiat hole state, with one of the lowest standards of living in America

wait...what????

Are you...joking? I live here. I live quite well. I've been to West Virginia, Florida and Missouri. I live a lot better than those people.

I have shoes.

Uh, no you don't. You live much, much, much, much worse. You have the lowest standard of living in America.

A $200,000 home in Boston is a 1100 square foot hovel in a high tax location. A $200,000 home in Dallas is a 3500 s.f. McMansion with a pool.

Go look at Remax.com or some sight, and you'll get an idea of just how completely your liberal State Government has reamed you.

I've worked in NY and MA, and (speaking generally about the Middle Class living standards) you are the poorest people in America.

Sorry, better luck waits you when you move. Do like your neighbors and vote with a moving van.


Someone needs to look up the definition of "standard of living" STAT.
 
2008-01-03 11:49:32 AM  
Headso: compared to NY they are mensa members

Yes but are they also an 8.9 on Hot or Not and going to the gym in 26 minutes??
 
2008-01-03 11:52:01 AM  
I like Massachusetts. I wish it was cheaper, mind, but I like it here.

"Secular humanist" is a smear word going way back. It's actually not such a bad thing -- it means you care more about your fellow humans than you do about God.

Big Dig? Yes, it was incredibly overpriced and there was a lot of sloppy work and corruption involved. But $15G later, we're still a net contributor to the US's tax base, which is way more than most red states can claim.

Liberal? Yes, sometimes. Gay marriage, Cambridge, all that. But one must keep in mind that the Republican Party is a leadership disaster in this state, and that something like a third of the Democrats in the state legislature are Zell Miller-style Dixiecrats, only the Northern version.
 
2008-01-03 11:56:40 AM  
alex_dularge: Uh, no you don't. You live much, much, much, much worse. You have the lowest standard of living in America.

A $200,000 home in Boston is a 1100 square foot hovel in a high tax location. A $200,000 home in Dallas is a 3500 s.f. McMansion with a pool.

Go look at Remax.com or some sight, and you'll get an idea of just how completely your liberal State Government has reamed you.

I've worked in NY and MA, and (speaking generally about the Middle Class living standards) you are the poorest people in America.

Sorry, better luck waits you when you move. Do like your neighbors and vote with a moving van.


May I ask where you are getting your figures for worst standard of living? What index used and how it is determined etc.

If you are basing it solely on real estate prices, then apparently Manhattan and San Fransisco should be right up there as well. Funny thing about real estate prices, they are generally higher where more people want to live. When people don't want to live there the real estate prices go down. In other words, one would think high real estate prices are a marker of a good standard of living.

I can buy a hell of a lot more house for my money in Haiti than I can in the US, does that mean that Haiti has a higher standard of living?

Standard of living usually includes things like:
Infant mortality rate (2003 is the latest I could find http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank17.htm) where Mass is 2nd only to Minnesota

Higher education, where MA is second to CT (2005 http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank19.htm)

Median household income, where it is 5th (2005 http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank33.htm)

GDP per state (couldn't find per capita), 13 (2005 http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank28.htm)

Percent of people below poverty level, 10 (2005 http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/ranks/rank34.htm)

So how does this all add up to MA having one of the worst standards of living?
 
2008-01-03 12:04:16 PM  
A $200,000 home in Boston is a 1100 square foot hovel in a high tax location. A $200,000 home in Dallas is a 3500 s.f. McMansion with a pool.

Yeah. You get what you pay for.

When I lived in Jacksonville, FL I paid $1000 for a three bedroom in a "gated community". I could not WAIT to get the hell out of there and pay $650 for a shared apartment.

Standard of living does NOT = how much you pay in rent/mortgage.
 
2008-01-03 12:05:38 PM  
what_now: Standard of living does NOT = how much you pay in rent/mortgage.

One of these days I'll get around to making my point in a short and concise manner like this.
 
2008-01-03 12:12:16 PM  
Tom_Thump: Not a big fan of the whole casino idea. There's got to be a better way to scratch up some dough.

There is, legalize prostitution!

We're all adults here - we can talk about this openly...

PROSTITUTION! But what does that mean really? Sometimes it helps to understand a word if you break it down, so let's do that now shall we? Pros... it doesn't mean anything, you can forget about that... Tit, I think we all know what that means, Tu, two tit and TION of course, from the Latin to shun... to say uh-uh no thank you anyway I don't want it, to push away... it doesn't even belong in this word really.
 
2008-01-03 12:14:53 PM  
alex_dularge: A $200,000 home in Boston is a 1100 square foot hovel in a high tax location. A $200,000 home in Dallas is a 3500 s.f. McMansion with a pool.

Taxes are actually quite reasonable in MA, the Taxachusetts thing is really a throwback to the Dukakis era.


.5% more than Texas - pretty reasonable. Actually if you live along the northern border it's slightly less because big ticket items are tax-free, courtesy of New Hampshire.

You're probably just trolling and therefore already know most of this...but I still wanted to chime in.
 
2008-01-03 12:16:46 PM  
alex_dularge:

MA is a shiat hole state, with one of the lowest standards of living in America (and the only state with stagnant population growth -count your congressmen) because of a run away, corrupt Gov't. The fact that the Gov't is going to expand into gambling, heroine, prostitution and murder for hire is not good news.

If it wasnt for Mass, we'd all be speaking David Beckham.
 
2008-01-03 12:23:35 PM  
The only time I have ever bought a lotto ticket is when it's $200M+ even then it's just a buck, maybe once every couple years, and even then usually because a friend is buying one, I don't see it as anything but a cheap thrill, definitely not an investment. People who play these games on a regular basis are idiots.

/FoolsMoney
 
2008-01-03 12:42:33 PM  
We have Barak Obama Junior as Governor. Good Luck USA. This is coming your way soon.

/A conservative in Mass. The only thing that keeps me from crying is the fact that our sports teams kick your ass.
 
2008-01-03 01:15:48 PM  
I wouldn't have a problem with casinos here if I knew the obscene amounts of money people would blow in them would go anywhere near where the government says it will go; the schools, the roads, and lowering property tax. The rampant corruption in this state will ensure that money lines some bureaucrat's pocket. The people will only get the social damage of gambling and none of the benefits.
 
2008-01-03 01:20:46 PM  
upthedownstair: I only hope that I'll have that much hair by the time I turn 50.

I'm for slots and casinos too. One of my ideas is to have something similar to riverboat casinos, except on the Chesapeake.


While I admire Bobby's amount of hair, his penchant for shaving his sideburns up to the top of his scalp left something to be desired.

I wouldn't mind riverboat casinos, as long as they *moved*. The faux ones moored to a dock are ridiculous.
 
2008-01-03 01:22:19 PM  
Bowen: alex_dularge: A $200,000 home in Boston is a 1100 square foot hovel in a high tax location. A $200,000 home in Dallas is a 3500 s.f. McMansion with a pool.

Taxes are actually quite reasonable in MA, the Taxachusetts thing is really a throwback to the Dukakis era.

.5% more than Texas - pretty reasonable. Actually if you live along the northern border it's slightly less because big ticket items are tax-free, courtesy of New Hampshire.

You're probably just trolling and therefore already know most of this...but I still wanted to chime in.


No trolling, just conversing. I've lived all over the US, taking 1 to 1.5 year consulting gigs. And people down South live so much better that it's incredible.

It's true that there is more poverty and ignorance down south. But I am not poor or ignorant. I make about $230K a year. Up north, that's an ok life. Down South, it's a mansion with a pool and a maid.

Every year, NY and MA lose population as people flee the disaster those states have become. Immigration makes up for some of it, so you have stable populations while the rest of the US grows. 800 families a day move from NY to Florida. And MA lost congressmen in the last 2 census because of a similar trend.

I understand regional pride, so Yeah for MA if you are determined to live there. I was born up north too, but I choose to be rich instead of stubborn.

BTW: Texas has no state income tax, so taxation is largely voluntary. If you are a net saver, you pay less because you pay less sales tax.
 
2008-01-03 01:41:32 PM  
alex_dularge: No trolling, just conversing. I've lived all over the US, taking 1 to 1.5 year consulting gigs. And people down South live so much better that it's incredible.

It's true that there is more poverty and ignorance down south. But I am not poor or ignorant. I make about $230K a year. Up north, that's an ok life. Down South, it's a mansion with a pool and a maid.

Every year, NY and MA lose population as people flee the disaster those states have become. Immigration makes up for some of it, so you have stable populations while the rest of the US grows. 800 families a day move from NY to Florida. And MA lost congressmen in the last 2 census because of a similar trend.

I understand regional pride, so Yeah for MA if you are determined to live there. I was born up north too, but I choose to be rich instead of stubborn.

BTW: Texas has no state income tax, so taxation is largely voluntary. If you are a net saver, you pay less because you pay less sales tax.


But where do you get the lowest standard of living thing?
 
2008-01-03 01:45:24 PM  
Running a-puck: alex_dularge: No trolling, just conversing. I've lived all over the US, taking 1 to 1.5 year consulting gigs. And people down South live so much better that it's incredible.

It's true that there is more poverty and ignorance down south. But I am not poor or ignorant. I make about $230K a year. Up north, that's an ok life. Down South, it's a mansion with a pool and a maid.

Every year, NY and MA lose population as people flee the disaster those states have become. Immigration makes up for some of it, so you have stable populations while the rest of the US grows. 800 families a day move from NY to Florida. And MA lost congressmen in the last 2 census because of a similar trend.

I understand regional pride, so Yeah for MA if you are determined to live there. I was born up north too, but I choose to be rich instead of stubborn.

BTW: Texas has no state income tax, so taxation is largely voluntary. If you are a net saver, you pay less because you pay less sales tax.

But where do you get the lowest standard of living thing?


By not understanding what it means.
 
2008-01-03 01:48:21 PM  
alex_dularge

pool and mansion = better?

I dont buy it. Maybe the pool but i prefer a smaller house. It is all a matter of personal preference.
 
2008-01-03 02:34:06 PM  
Running a-puck 8astardo

When the same income buys twice as much, you have a higher standard of living.

You compare educated professionals with graduate degrees in Boston to backwoods people with 6th grade educations in West Virginia, and you can pretend you have a decent standard of living. But if you compare apples to apples; the living earned by similare people in either location, and New York State, MA, NJ are the poorest places in America.

Sorry for the reality. Vote more conservative and maybe in 30 years people will stop evacuating your shiat pile state.

In the mean time; enjoy your high taxes, crime, dwindling political representation, corruption, high prices, small mean homes and bad weather.

I used to have a racquetball parter who grew up in NYC. On this subject he once told me: "the only reason people live up there, is because they haven't figured out that all of America lives much better than they do."
 
2008-01-03 02:43:51 PM  
alex_dularge: standard of living

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living
I think educational standards are also indicators. Just putting that out there for no particular reason.
 
2008-01-03 02:44:13 PM  
alex_dularge: When the same income buys twice as much, you have a higher standard of living.

Robert Mugabe says: "this"
 
2008-01-03 02:53:17 PM  
People like to live in MA and/or the cities for a variety of reasons. Art, music, fine dining, and culture come to mind.

Babtist revival tents, hicks, and a Sizzler do not.

Secular humanism for everyone!
 
2008-01-03 03:02:28 PM  
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Leave the Sizzler alone!!!
 
2008-01-03 03:02:31 PM  
alex_dularge: Running a-puck 8astardo

When the same income buys twice as much, you have a higher standard of living.

You compare educated professionals with graduate degrees in Boston to backwoods people with 6th grade educations in West Virginia, and you can pretend you have a decent standard of living. But if you compare apples to apples; the living earned by similare people in either location, and New York State, MA, NJ are the poorest places in America.

Sorry for the reality. Vote more conservative and maybe in 30 years people will stop evacuating your shiat pile state.

In the mean time; enjoy your high taxes, crime, dwindling political representation, corruption, high prices, small mean homes and bad weather.

I used to have a racquetball parter who grew up in NYC. On this subject he once told me: "the only reason people live up there, is because they haven't figured out that all of America lives much better than they do."


Ah, I understand now. You are using the wrong terms, trying using buying power or absolute wage. Standard of living is a term that has a specific meaning, and it has very little to do with what you are talking about.

And yes, absolutely, if I earned the same salary in, say Nebraska as I do here I would be considerably more wealthy in real terms. The kicker being that I can't earn the same salary in Nebraska that I do here in Boston.

I (gleefully) pay 700 for a one bedroom basement apartment in Brighton, that same 700 would easily rent me a house if I went an hour and a half west.

I don't think you'll find too many people to argue with you that you may have more real buying power for your salary in a place that isn't Boston, New York, San Fran, Atlanta etc etc. But then you're not living in Boston, New York, San Fran, Atlanta etc etc. Yes, it costs more to live where I do... but it's worth paying more to live where I do.

Taxes? Not that high, Crime? Isn't really any around where I live. Hell, I leave my car unlocked most of the time. Actually I kind of wish someone would steal it, no such luck though. Corruption's a lot less around here than in a number of other places - or at the very least it's a lot better hidden- and bad weather? Please. We get snow. Not hurricanes, not tornadoes, no hail storms. We don't get earthquakes or tsunami and if it hits 90 during the summer it's a newsworthy heat wave.

Look, you don't like the north east *shrug* no skin off my back. I hated living in Georgia. Just say you don't like it. Just don't make shiat up about it being the poorest place in the US unless you have something more than "things are cheaper here" to back it up.
 
2008-01-03 03:03:05 PM  
alex_dularge: When the same income buys twice as much, you have a higher standard of living.


... for you. I hear Iraq once had one of the highest standards of living in the world, if you happened to be Saddam Hussein that is.
 
2008-01-03 03:09:17 PM  
Running a-puck:

I (gleefully) pay 700 for a one bedroom basement apartment in Brighton, that same 700 would easily rent me a house if I went an hour and a half west.

700 for a one bedroom in Brighton? You lucky dog. We're paying 2400 for a three bedroom in Coolidge corner plus 100 a month for parking.
 
2008-01-03 03:12:35 PM  
8astardo: 700 for a one bedroom in Brighton? You lucky dog. We're paying 2400 for a three bedroom in Coolidge corner plus 100 a month for parking.

Yeah, I lived in the same place for a long time and my land lords love me as a tenant. This apartment was going for 1000/month. Plenty of on street parking though. Just outside Brighton center, too.
 
2008-01-03 03:27:58 PM  
alex_dularge: BTW: Texas has no state income tax, so taxation is largely voluntary. If you are a net saver, you pay less because you pay less sales tax.

Voluntary taxation? I didn't realize living indoors (property tax) was considered optional in Texas. I suppose the gross recepits tax isn't passed along to the consumer either, right?

That said, if you can make deep six figures living in the deep south, and you enjoy living down there - go for it. I prefer living up north, so that's where I live. It's kind of neat living in the United States, we've got these things called 'roads' that allow you to move yourself and your stuff pretty much anywhere you darn well please.

I'm not sure why you find it necessary to spew vulgarity and hatred (moran, shiathole, etc) - it just makes you look foolish.
 
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